More Deeper crimes

[Pac.]

Hey welcome to this topic, now that i have your attention hear me out.

 

Crime in grand theft auto is a part of the game, however in the Past GTA games we have seen a variety of crimes, But what i have grown out of in GTA is simply the ammount of Contract killings the players are assigned onto. Most of the Time in GTA, thats all you do, mow down alot of people, and i know some missions have meaning example, mow down loads of Pegorino goons and Russians then kill the Bosses. Now it is fun, but we need to look deeper into crime in GTA, the crime that criminals commit are so diverse, and alot in GTA we don't even take part in or help with. we just deal with the problem, this is what i suggest we see and actually take part in...

 

Ilegal Betting/Bookies/Gambling

 

Now, what i was thinking is that, your group or whoever employes you, takes part in an Ilegal betting Operation in a state or city where gambling is Ilegal, lets take horse-racing, I want the player along with his associates to make decisions and have sit-downs with the horse-rider or Horse-riders, some will be corrupt enough to accept a nice round number for a bribe, so that they slow down when they are at 3/4 way of the track. If succesfull the people who placed the bets will all be giving a sum of money, this way rigging the Bets will allow you and the Boss to make heaps of money. In all i think taking a deeper look into this kind of crime is a must, especially since you don't have to be a genius to do it, but it is also very common among many groups, such as the Mafia.

 

remember the pakistani crickiters and briber...

 

Human/Sex Trafficking & Prostitution

 

Now, although Prostitution isn't axactly ilegal it depends on the Individual themselves, alot of Prostitutes in many countries are actually forced into sex, or if they arn't, they are treated very badley, and are owned by their Pimps or whatever. now perticular groups that are involved in this kind of crime are Albanian criminals and also some Semi-organized street gangs such as the Latin kings and Gangster Disciples. Human/sex trafficking would deffinatly be an interesting aspect of crime to see no matter how harsh it may be, this is the real world i guess.

 

I was thinking a missions where you actualy see a 16 (it's 16 for a reason) year old girl being forced into Sex, mabey you work with the people who are apart of the operation, if the girl doesn't earn enough money for her Pimp, i would like you to see cutscenes of these savages holding her head in ice cold water, and beating her, this all seems very harsh but it would take GTA to it's fullest. Mabey your assigned to take a boat and traffick these ilegal immigrants and sex slaves into a certain port, where they will be collected, things like that and GTA would be more interesting.

 

Those are my only examples for now, I do think other crimes as we have seen in GTA should deffinatly stay, we just need a deeper look into things, and i hated how Niko was bassicly just an errand boy, her hardley knew anything if you get what i mean, like when he whacked Lenny Petrovic, he didn't know he was the son of a Russian criminal King-pin, mabey this way the protagonist will be more involved with things.

 

 

[Mati]

I dont want to GTA go too deep. Human trafficing? It is too hard (if you ask me)

[Typhus]

If they're sticking with realism, I'd rather get rid of big shootouts and instead plan killings meticulously. Real criminals don't get in big shootouts, they use ambushes and swift executions. Sometimes they use sloppy means, like a drive-by shooting. But massive gunfights with wave after wave of enemy are starting to bore me. These people wouldn't have a clue what to do in a massive firefight, they're amoral businessmen with a murder fetish, nothing more.

 

So I'd rather research my enemies and have the freedom to decide how best to kill them off, rather than the tired old "GO HERE. SHOOT THE GOONS. KILL THE TARGET. ESCAPE POLICE. $500!"

Is anyone else bored by that? And frankly I don't know why games like Mafia II do it either, when was the last time the Mafia got into a massive gunfight and lost dozens of their men?

[Rucke]

GTA IV took us pretty deep into organized crime, especially while Niko was working for the Russians and the Italians. The problem as I see it is that you often act as hitman. The bosses of the organizations take care of the operations, and when someone becomes a problem to deal with they have the protagonist to kill them. But on the other hand, that's what GTA is all about. If you want to run a criminal enterprise you should play some other game.

Edited September 5, 2010 by Rucke

[Pac.]

GTA IV took us pretty deep into organized crime, especially while Niko was working for the Russians and the Italians. The problem as I see it is that you often act as hitman. The bosses of the organizations take care of the operations, and when someone becomes a problem to deal with they have the protagonist to kill them. But on the other hand, that's what GTA is all about. If you want to run a criminal enterprise you should play some other game.

Well GTA is based on crime, so i hated being used as a hitman, and going deeper into crime woudn't not be GTA. I agree with you Typhus, Human trafficking woudn't be that hard, mabey for one mission you just have to get control of the ports, allowing things in and out, and things like that. I personally don't think GTA IV took us deep in organized crime, sure we worked for them, and i mean yes shootings do happen, but being used as an errand boy isn't fun. VCS was the best GTA that took the aim of this topic's perspective.

[xNewtype Acex]

GTA IV took us pretty deep into organized crime, especially while Niko was working for the Russians and the Italians. The problem as I see it is that you often act as hitman. The bosses of the organizations take care of the operations, and when someone becomes a problem to deal with they have the protagonist to kill them. But on the other hand, that's what GTA is all about. If you want to run a criminal enterprise you should play some other game.

I don't think you've ever played Vice City Stories, where you become the boss of a criminal organization and you can build your own empire.

[Slingaa]

Chop Shops sound fun.

[General Goose]

Hmm. If they got into human trafficking and such, the world would become a LOT darker.

 

And on the topic of shootouts, I'd prefer a choice, personally speaking. Shootouts would be the most obvious way, but not the only one.

[Pac.]

Hmm. If they got into human trafficking and such, the world would become a LOT darker.

 

And on the topic of shootouts, I'd prefer a choice, personally speaking. Shootouts would be the most obvious way, but not the only one.

Yeah, well these criminals do get into human trafficking, and Sex trafficking, it would make GTA alot more darker

[General Goose]

Hmm. If they got into human trafficking and such, the world would become a LOT darker.

 

And on the topic of shootouts, I'd prefer a choice, personally speaking. Shootouts would be the most obvious way, but not the only one.

Yeah, well these criminals do get into human trafficking, and Sex trafficking, it would make GTA alot more darker

Well, if they treat these issues seriously, it should be accompanied by a slight move away from the zany radio antics or general craziness, which may be unpopular.

 

Of course, a complete monster villain character could have his role as such cemented by involvement in such trades.

[Feed Me A Lolcat]

Human trafficing? It is too hard (if you ask me)

Have you ever tried?

[Pac.]

Human trafficing? It is too hard (if you ask me)

Have you ever tried?

I don't mean actually navigating a ship for 10 hours, but say your Group controls the port, which has happened and still happens, then it's quite easy for the people who have had experience, you just musn't get caught...i guess.

[MrcTOtheJ]

I had a human trafficking business venture that had a corresponding mini mission in a concept that I had. Basically you smuggle people from one side of the US/Mexico border to the other, and even places within one country.

 

Though GTA would get a bit darker if this was in.

 

Also illegal gambling houses and chop shops/car theft rings would be a good idea, in the same concept I had, both of those we’re in, I also think drug dealing/smuggling would be another good empire feature.

 

Good Ideas OP.

[Racecarlock]

Guys, they already do prostitution. Has no one picked up a hooker in any of the GTA games yet? I don't think it would be that hard to go deeper. Hell, the group control seaport thing would be only a bit more difficult than SA's gang wars system.

[Pac.]

Guys, they already do prostitution. Has no one picked up a hooker in any of the GTA games yet? I don't think it would be that hard to go deeper. Hell, the group control seaport thing would be only a bit more difficult than SA's gang wars system.

Not really, that isnt as deep as it gets.

[Official General]

If they're sticking with realism, I'd rather get rid of big shootouts and instead plan killings meticulously. Real criminals don't get in big shootouts, they use ambushes and swift executions. Sometimes they use sloppy means, like a drive-by shooting. But massive gunfights with wave after wave of enemy are starting to bore me. These people wouldn't have a clue what to do in a massive firefight, they're amoral businessmen with a murder fetish, nothing more.

 

So I'd rather research my enemies and have the freedom to decide how best to kill them off, rather than the tired old "GO HERE. SHOOT THE GOONS. KILL THE TARGET. ESCAPE POLICE. $500!"

Is anyone else bored by that? And frankly I don't know why games like Mafia II do it either, when was the last time the Mafia got into a massive gunfight and lost dozens of their men?

@ Typhus - I have to agree with everything you have said there. That was one of the things I did not like about GTA 4 the most - the repetitive hunt, follow, and kill-the-target missions where all you seemed to be doing in the game was play the role as a hitman most of the time. Then there was always that predictable finale at a mission's end where Niko has a big gunfight with gangsters in some abandonded warehouse and guns them all down like he's some urban Rambo. And you are right again, if we are going by realism here, the Mafia do not just go out in there and face off with enemies and then have pitched, massive gunfights. Well, at least not for the last good number of decades they dont.

 

I definitely agree with your statement about improving the way the player can engage in shoot-outs. I think Rockstar needs to look deeper into this. I dont mind still having big gunfights, but they should make them less of an occurence during the main storyline missions at least to make things a bit more realistic. We should see more stuff like drive-bys, sudden ambushes in dark street corners and alleways, dangerous neighbourhood streets, inside project buildings, or gunfights between smaller opposing parties.

 

I want to see a more sophisticated drug-dealing type of activity in the game from which the player can generate income. Like buying different kinds of drugs in bulk amounts and then selling them on to customers at a profit. The amount of money you make will depend on who you sell the drugs to, what type of drugs you sell at a certain point and what area you sell the drugs in. The player will engage in drug wars with other dealers backed by his own gang members and the player will also be at risk of set-ups and robberies when buying or selling drugs from untrustworthy customers. The player can also choose to steal his drug sales supply from other dealers instead of buying them.

 

I wanna see more activities that invlove store hold-ups, robberies, burglaries and hijackings. For instance, the player can hold-up or rob a store or bank and get straight cash from it. Or they could rob a jewellery store or burgle a house full of expensive goods and sell them to a pawn shop for cash, just like that pawn shop system from Red Dead Redemption. Or the player can choose to hijack a shipment of valuable goods from cargo trucks and ships and sell them to a fence or pawn shop.

 

 

Some smuggling activities would be good too. Like get a boat and and escort some valuable contraband/black market cargo and if successful the player gets a some of the cargo and can sell it for cash.

 

I would like to see more vehicle-theft missions where the player can steal a variety of expensive, rare and very-hard-to-find cars for various customers around town and sell it for cash.

 

 

Other criminal activities like recruiting gang members, protection rackets, loansharking, illegal gambling/betting rings, dice games, illegal fighting matches, would be good ideas aswell.

 

 

 

 

[QwertyAAA]

Guys, they already do prostitution. Has no one picked up a hooker in any of the GTA games yet? I don't think it would be that hard to go deeper. Hell, the group control seaport thing would be only a bit more difficult than SA's gang wars system.

Not really, that isnt as deep as it gets.

There were pimping side-missions in VCS and SA.

[cupidstunt]

Rape should be a central aspect of the game.

Rape 10 peds in 10 minutes that would be fun

[Pac.]

@Official General : What about Human trafficking, it's quite a dark and mysteriouse crime, but it obviously does happen, alot of the time i suppose, that's an activity i would like to engage in. Oh and what you have said is exactly what i think a game like GTA needs. What about torture in a GTA game? When i say torture i don't mean it has to get too gory

[cupidstunt]

Gangrape and immigrant running

[Pac.]

 

Gangrape and immigrant running

Really? is rape even allowed in GTA, and besides thats not really a deep crime, could do it myself right now, doesn't take to much thinking.

[Kwandilibro]

Gangrape and immigrant running

Really? is rape even allowed in GTA, and besides thats not really a deep crime, could do it myself right now, doesn't take to much thinking.

Not that hard really. Walk around until you find a hot girl, grab her, go behind a building or in a bathroom or something, f*ck her, and walk off. A dude in Trenton raped some chick on camera behind a parked van in a parking lot.

[QwertyAAA]

Gangrape and immigrant running

Really? is rape even allowed in GTA, and besides thats not really a deep crime, could do it myself right now, doesn't take to much thinking.

Not that hard really. Walk around until you find a hot girl, grab her, go behind a building or in a bathroom or something, f*ck her, and walk off. A dude in Trenton raped some chick on camera behind a parked van in a parking lot.

But it ain't never gonna happen.

[Kwandilibro]

Hide ya wife, hide ya kids.

[sd13killer]

You want to satisfy some deep crimes. How about something nobody cares about these days: brutal violence.

 

Extremely realistic gore. (shotguns blow huge holes in people) (Rocket launchers can destroy targets) (limbs rip off)

 

A cutscene where someone beheads someone. Taking three swings with a machete because they don't get it threw all the way.

 

A cutscene where someone cuts open another and organs spill out.

 

That one harvester from San Andreas that shreds people up but twice as realistic.

 

 

[Pac.]

Gangrape and immigrant running

Really? is rape even allowed in GTA, and besides thats not really a deep crime, could do it myself right now, doesn't take to much thinking.

Not that hard really. Walk around until you find a hot girl, grab her, go behind a building or in a bathroom or something, f*ck her, and walk off. A dude in Trenton raped some chick on camera behind a parked van in a parking lot.

But it ain't never gonna happen.

'cos we is reasonable people!

 

I also have an Idea for GTA where, bassicly you force Businessmen to sign papers to hand over the company or somthing along those lines that benefits you. This Russian guy who died in 2009 called Vycheslav Ivankov did it in 90's, he took those two businessmen, sat them down, and said if they didn't sign papers, they would not make it out alive. Only that days later he was arrested due to lack of organization.

[General Goose]

Rape is WAY too much for GTA.

 

Kwandilibro: Don't forget to hide your husband too, cos they rapin' errbody out there.

[Pac.]

Rape is WAY too much for GTA.

 

Kwandilibro: Don't forget to hide your husband too, cos they rapin' errbody out there.

Rape doesn't even go deep, it's just a selfish act, and not even hard.

[Kwandilibro]

 

Rape is WAY too much for GTA.

 

Kwandilibro: Don't forget to hide your husband too, cos they rapin' errbody out there.

<3 Antione Dodson.

 

@Pac., Yeah, it's more of a "I'm too f*cking lazy to get a girlfriend to f*ck, so I'm going to force you to get stuffed. Might even record it." And for a true rapist, it's not important how old or what gender. Little girls, boys, teenage girls, small teenage boys, grown women, small men, even old ladies. And the occasional horse.

 

Course, it's also considered rape to get a girl drunk from buying here beer and f*ck her. Even if she says yes.

 

Rape is so easy, I could get on a school bus, grab the hottest chick I can find, pull my dick out, and get busy. Right there. Or I could even just walk through the hallway, grab any girl I like, drag her into the bathroom, throw her into the stall, and whip out the disco stick. If I'm really feeling bold, I could ask a really hot teacher for a private extra help after school, then lock the door, close the blinds, and f*ck her on her desk while holding a knife to her. Deep? Maybe. Hard? Sure. Suitable for GTA? No.

 

To traffick prostitutes, I'd have to set up a group of guys to kidnap girls and women, find some way to transport them, find some way to hide them, then find some way to house them. Next, I have to find people dumb or sick enough to f*ck any girl that crosses in front of them.

[thecommander]

Rape isn't about laziness its about power and control and a lot of times the rapist is menatlly ill and doesnt know any better. But if you want to know about human trafficing in the US watch season 2 of The Wire, irs the most underrated season but it tells you about how illegal sh*t enters the country.