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Dingdongs

Ground Zero Mosque

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Dingdongs

What do you guys think of it?

 

I personally feel that they have every right to put it there. I am a New Yorker myself and I support it. I am not a Muslim, but I support their right to put a building wherever they want. Under our constitution, every religion is free to worship and practice. If the government (state or federal) put through some sort of directive stating that they cannot build it, that would be pretty much the end of the US constitution and its bearing on our government.

 

I know the recent CNN poll shows that 70% of Americans think it shouldn't be there, but too bad. This country isn't a democracy. It's a republic. The constitution and bill of rights trump all. It doesn't matter if 95% of America wants to shut down every Mosque on our soil by Government force, the constitution trumps it.

 

Furthermore, I know some people (Obama specifically) have the impression that they are allowed to, but they shouldn't because it's wrong morally. All this mosque can do is pure good. Hopefully it will wake up the bigoted America we are today and have us realize that not all Muslims are terrorists and that they hate the people who knocked down the towers just as much as we do. This mosque/culture center can potentially be a symbol of the Muslim religion as a whole completely denouncing the terrorist attacks, and wanting to try to get Americans to understand the religion more (ie culture center, not just a mosque)

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EternalChe

I also have nothing against it being built there, but I would like to see who are the actual financiers of this project. The fact that it's kept a secret seems very suspicious to me, the location might be chosen to be a some sort of provocation to escalate the conflict between americans and the Muslim word.

I saw a poll about a week ago which said most Muslims are actually against it being built there for the same reasons, I can't seem to remember where it was... perhaps on RT.

Obama's support for it is not a surprise to me, knowing that he himself is a secular Muslim and his masters are all for the conflict being escalated.

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Ronnyboy

I wouldn't mind a mosque in New York, but why so close to Ground Zero? It's kind of like putting a McDonalds right next to a Gym, it just doesn't look right and spawns unnecessary attention. I'm all for religions building their place of worship, but they should really work on location.

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Carnage1120
I wouldn't mind a mosque in New York, but why so close to Ground Zero? It's kind of like putting a McDonalds right next to a Gym, it just doesn't look right and spawns unnecessary attention. I'm all for religions building their place of worship, but they should really work on location.

Why can't a mosque be built? There is a Burlington Coat factory just as close.

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Rown

I read two articles the other day on the subject, one pointed out how there are already two mosques already in Lower Manhattan that aren't acting as some jihadist trophy.

 

The second article brings up the power of phrasing.

 

This article made me laugh a bit with the idea of the "Ground Zero Mosque" implying that there is a neighborhood in the city called Ground Zero.

 

On the whole I don't much mind the construction. People playing religious horseshoes shouldn't be worried though, there's still a church across the street from the site.

 

And Obama should've known better than to say ANYTHING. Everyone who thought about it knew where he stood. But now that he's said something the crazies will assume it's because he's a closet muslim sent to make a new caliphate in the heartland of the infidels.

 

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EternalChe

i love this guy

 

 

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 dice

I disagree with building a mosque there. But not because I think all muslims are terrorists, but because the building is a very provocative subject. I excuse myself If I offend anyone with this, but majority of Americas are idiots. Just look at the protester in that^ video. And if 70% of the whole state is the same opinion as that guy (like a lot of polls suggest), then building a mosque there will surely result in riots. Islam, as a peaceful and compromissive religion, as they claim, should just find a different real estate to build their holy place. An act like this would imo be the same as bulding a shrine to Hitler at the front gates of Auschwitch, which is of course, legally allowed, but it would rise a lot of controversy.

 

I really wonder how Obama will react though. I am certain he realises how many problems the construction will make, but since this is a constitutional matter, It'll be hard remedying the situation. But that's what you get, when you want to live in a free and perfect world; clashing opinions where ones need to get surpressed, before becoming to big, for peace to be restored.

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NinjaWJ

they have the right to express religion so its ok with me

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patsfan4life

Im am highly against the mosque. As a Christian, i believe that building a mosque right next to ground zero is wrong, because its like a trophy for what al-Qaeda did. Also, at some point, the government has to respect public opinion, and believe me, that mosque will get vandalized. Also, the way I see it, building a mosque in Ground Zero is like me going to Mecca, destroying a mosque, and build a gigantic megacherch in there.

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Emhyr

 

Im am highly against the mosque. As a Christian, i believe that building a mosque right next to ground zero is wrong, because its like a trophy for what al-Qaeda did. Also, at some point, the government has to respect public opinion, and believe me, that mosque will get vandalized. Also, the way I see it, building a mosque in Ground Zero is like me going to Mecca, destroying a mosque, and build a gigantic megacherch in there.

 

 

Al Qaeda is a group of retarded terrorists who think they're doing good deed,they destroying lives,so you can't judge whole religion because of terrorists.

And it's not the same,Mecca is the holiest city in Islam,and there is no Christians,at least I think.And New York is a regular city,with Muslims,Christians,Jews..etc..and they all deserve to have a place to pray.

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Im am highly against the mosque. As a Christian, i believe that building a mosque right next to ground zero is wrong, because its like a trophy for what al-Qaeda did. Also, at some point, the government has to respect public opinion, and believe me, that mosque will get vandalized. Also, the way I see it, building a mosque in Ground Zero is like me going to Mecca, destroying a mosque, and build a gigantic megacherch in there.

 

 

Al Qaeda is a group of retarded terrorists who think they're doing good deed,they destroying lives,so you can't judge whole religion because of terrorists.

And it's not the same,Mecca is the holiest city in Islam,and there is no Christians,at least I think.And New York is a regular city,with Muslims,Christians,Jews..etc..and they all deserve to have a place to pray.

I dont have that much against muslims, but i mean the placement of the mosque is the problem. I mean, can't they move the mosque to at least mid town Manhattan.

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 dice

One of the main reasons, I heard in a radio interview, for the contraversal location was the lack of an appropriate real estate property around Manhattan. They were either to small or to expensive, claimed the guy.

 

Edit: Here it is.

 

It's a nice debate, but the arguments of the anti-mosque woman just seem silly for me.

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The-King

Why the f*ck should they have to move it? They have every liberty to build it wherever they want and their rights shouldn't be infringed on by a bunch of dipsh*t closet bigots. "I'm not a racist but the mosque will be like a trophy for Al-Quada," what the f*ck is that? Blatent racism is what it is. Just because you say your not a racist doesn't make it so. Generalizing a large group of peace loving people based on the actions of a few morons is just about as racist as one can get. Blind patriotism, religious fundamentalism and discrimination against Muslims seem to be what America's all about nowadays and it's god damned sickening.

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nerner

I say no. We'll let them build here but only if Christians can build churches in Riyadh and Mecca.

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Rown

But New York isn't a holy city?

 

Do you think they just build mosques for the hell of it? Usually I would imagine they are built to accommodate the faithful in the area. How many Christians do you think live in Mecca?

 

But if the Saudi's want to let one be built in Riyadh sure.

 

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Tyler
I say no. We'll let them build here but only if Christians can build churches in Riyadh and Mecca.

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That is one point for conservatives,

 

 

Generalizing a large group of peace loving people based on the actions of a few morons is just about as racist as one can get.

 

Well King, actually that is Stereotyping, Racism is believing that your race is superior to those races you are generalising. But, besides that fact you do have a point. Americans should not be Stereotyping these Muslims, but it's not like most of the Americans are doing it without reason. Can you blame them for doing all of this after the American government slowly edges them to believe every Arab in the world is a terrorist?

 

But, believe me, the relationship is mutual, my last visit to Qatar found me staring down many angry and 'Racist' Faces believing that just because I was American, that I was here to force them into believing Christianity and convert them. Which, ironically, I wasn't.

 

Do you think they just build mosques for the hell of it? Usually I would imagine they are built to accommodate the faithful in the area.

 

I was actually going to bring that up earlier in the discussion, thank you for pointing that out. Mosques were at a time long ago, built only in holy cities for the Muslim people. Nowadays, they are just like most temples and churches though, being built all over the world. In a way, empowering Muslims, but in another weakening the idea that a Mosque should only be built among the most holy soil.

 

In the end, this whole idea is full of red tape, and will result in at least some sort of loss, be it the political freedom in New York, or the idea that America was a free religion country. Either way, this whole idea was meant to show how Religion and Politics in America really don't mix, and let me say, the people who came up with the fiasco were genius.

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Emhyr
But New York isn't a holy city?

 

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The-King

 

Generalizing a large group of peace loving people based on the actions of a few morons is just about as racist as one can get.

 

Well King, actually that is Stereotyping, Racism is believing that your race is superior to those races you are generalising. But, besides that fact you do have a point. Americans should not be Stereotyping these Muslims, but it's not like most of the Americans are doing it without reason. Can you blame them for doing all of this after the American government slowly edges them to believe every Arab in the world is a terrorist?

 

But, believe me, the relationship is mutual, my last visit to Qatar found me staring down many angry and 'Racist' Faces believing that just because I was American, that I was here to force them into believing Christianity and convert them. Which, ironically, I wasn't.

In my mind stereotypical generalizations based on one's race/religious belief equates to racism. I like using racism as a catch-all term in regards to generalizations of that nature.

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General Goose

 

Well King, actually that is Stereotyping, Racism is believing that your race is superior to those races you are generalising.

To be fair, today the word "racist" has expanded in usage (not by everyone, but by a lot of people for lack of a better word) to cover any discrimination or prejudice based on race or ethnicity. Not everyone agrees with that usage or uses the word in that way, but a significant amount of people do, even if it is, as you rightly say, technically an incorrect meaning of the word. Yeah, pointless off-topic rambling there, so yeah. Ignore that.

 

On-topic: Frankly, I don't see the problem. Too tired to explain my reasoning behind my viewpoint now, but will probably get round to it later.

 

But, who thought this was a good idea to bring up? It's just, predictably, ignited a lot of argument for no real benefit, many of the anti-mosque arguments being really racist and ignorant. Rather than helping increase racial tolerance, it's merely started up a lot of hatred. Obviously, some people do view it as a problem. Some people seem to feel building a mosque in Ground Zero would be offensive or some kind of victory for those Al-Qaeda f*ckers (an argument I strongly disagree with, by the way; I'm of the opinion this mosque may show that despite the efforts of a few radical Muslims, we still do not prejudice against the average Muslim and have the moral high ground, so to speak). Now, while I've heard many of the anti-mosque arguments being somewhat intelligent and even having a few agreeable points, the vast majority of them, particularly on the internet (looking at you, racist twats on Facebook in the UK) as just stupid, ignorant and racist.

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Rown
But New York isn't a holy city?

 

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I was replying to the "only if we can build in Mecca" argument.

 

Mecca is the holiest city of Islam.

 

New York City is... a large and diverse city.

 

So the tit-for-tat thing didn't make sense to me. Sorry if there was confusion.

 

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General Goose

I guess the equivalent to building a church in Mecca would be knocking down a part of the Vatican and building a mosque there.

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Tyler

In a sense, yes.

 

It would be like demolishing the Dome of the Rock, and building a Jewish Synagogue there.

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bobgtafan

Let the muslims build it, anyone who disagrees hates the constitution and is unamerican.

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patsfan4life
But New York isn't a holy city?

 

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I was replying to the "only if we can build in Mecca" argument.

 

Mecca is the holiest city of Islam.

 

New York City is... a large and diverse city.

 

So the tit-for-tat thing didn't make sense to me. Sorry if there was confusion.

 

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Well, Muslims are a 1 percent minority in America, and 5 percent of Saudi Arabians are Christians, so there are more Christians in Saudi Arabia as there are Muslims in America. Besides, if this is about tolorance, that shouldn't be a problem. I don't have much against non radical Muslims, but either move the mosque location, or allow me to go into Mecca, and build be a nice gigantic church.

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The-King
But New York isn't a holy city?

 

dontgetit.gif

I was replying to the "only if we can build in Mecca" argument.

 

Mecca is the holiest city of Islam.

 

New York City is... a large and diverse city.

 

So the tit-for-tat thing didn't make sense to me. Sorry if there was confusion.

 

Rown rampage_ani.gif

Well, Muslims are a 1 percent minority in America, and 5 percent of Saudi Arabians are Christians, so there are more Christians in Saudi Arabia as there are Muslims in America. Besides, if this is about tolorance, that shouldn't be a problem. I don't have much against non radical Muslims, but either move the mosque location, or allow me to go into Mecca, and build be a nice gigantic church.

Why should you have that right? New York isn't a f*cking religious landmark.

 

It's supposed to be one of the most multicultural cities on the entire planet, not some holy ground for people to deem sacred due to one little attack that occurred nearly ten years ago perpetrated by a splinter minority of extremist Muslims.

 

Get off your high-horse.

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patsfan4life
But New York isn't a holy city?

 

dontgetit.gif

I was replying to the "only if we can build in Mecca" argument.

 

Mecca is the holiest city of Islam.

 

New York City is... a large and diverse city.

 

So the tit-for-tat thing didn't make sense to me. Sorry if there was confusion.

 

Rown rampage_ani.gif

Well, Muslims are a 1 percent minority in America, and 5 percent of Saudi Arabians are Christians, so there are more Christians in Saudi Arabia as there are Muslims in America. Besides, if this is about tolorance, that shouldn't be a problem. I don't have much against non radical Muslims, but either move the mosque location, or allow me to go into Mecca, and build be a nice gigantic church.

Why should you have that right? New York isn't a f*cking religious landmark.

 

It's supposed to be one of the most multicultural cities on the entire planet, not some holy ground for people to deem sacred due to one little attack that occurred nearly ten years ago perpetrated by a splinter minority of extremist Muslims.

 

Get off your high-horse.

Well I just think that the mosque should be moved. If them liberals actually pull it off, Im guessing the mosque would be covered in spraypaint and pig's guts in a week. Downtown manhattan isn't even a residential community. If it was anywhere else in NY me and probably all of America would be more tolorant to the idea, but the propriator of the future mosque should respect the public and move the mosque.

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Dingdongs

No he shouldn't.

 

The funny thing is, the people who are against this don't even live in New York. I live in NY, I frequently go to the city, I have friends in the city, and I haven't heard of one person complaining about it besides my (self admitted) racist friend who just complained about more "towelheads" coming near him. biggrin.gif

 

There are already numerous mosques in the area (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100819/ap_on_go_ot/us_mosque_fact_check) so why the f*ck is this such a big deal? Get over it.

 

And with that Mecca bullsh*t, you need to realize something. Mecca is an Islamic holy city. Furthermore, they are not bound by the US constitution. We, here in the US, are bound by that constitution. Therefore, they have every right to build this mosque wherever they want.

 

And for the idiot who said Obama is a secular Muslim, you know he's against this mosque's location do you not? He just supports the constitutional right.

 

 

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darthYENIK

I think the objection of building this mosque shows the complete ignorance of people in this country. Sure the perpetrators of the attacks would love this, but the bigger loss would be the denial of religious freedom because someone doesn't know the difference between Muslim and terrorist.

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Emhyr
But New York isn't a holy city?

 

dontgetit.gif

I was replying to the "only if we can build in Mecca" argument.

 

Mecca is the holiest city of Islam.

 

New York City is... a large and diverse city.

 

So the tit-for-tat thing didn't make sense to me. Sorry if there was confusion.

 

Rown rampage_ani.gif

Well, Muslims are a 1 percent minority in America, and 5 percent of Saudi Arabians are Christians, so there are more Christians in Saudi Arabia as there are Muslims in America. Besides, if this is about tolorance, that shouldn't be a problem. I don't have much against non radical Muslims, but either move the mosque location, or allow me to go into Mecca, and build be a nice gigantic church.

Frankly,I don't care,you can build a gigantic church where ever you want,I don't mind,I'm not you.

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Captain Crunch

I think some people have a hard time telling the difference between radical Muslims and moderate Muslims. Big difference.

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