They need to bring more life to the ghetto areas

[ZayDaGawd]

Now, I like GTA 4 and i like all gta games except for LCS, but in gta4, i felt like they didnt really give the ghetto a real feel. You can be in the a sky rise project building and not feel any diff then if ur in Star Junction.

 

In vice city, when you were in hatian turf, you felt the difference than say being in ocean beach. You knew you had to get out of their turf asap, unless you were bored and just wanted a shootout.

 

In san andreas, they had the classic west coast style gangs. Now while the hoods on this game were more diverse, they still didn't have the same danger effect/feel that vice city had, but then again, alot of hoods in LA dont feel that dangerous anways.

 

Now as far as the next gta, I think they should bring the vice city feel back.

Make the street lights dimmer, actually have people standing on street corners with their guns out. Have abandoned houses etc.. I mean, in every city the ghettos are always the worse area, and that's how in should be in gta. You should actually feel like your in danger.

 

PS: idc if u dont want a ghetto game, they're gonna put a hood in the next gta so deal with it.

[Sckarface]

Yeah bro, I agree with you, in GTA IV the hood didn't really feel like a hood in real life, you didn't have the sense of danger like in Vice City or San Andreas. There were no homeboys chilling inside their vehicles, with the music on full blast, no people playing basketball or sh*t like that. We need that feeling back that the SA ghettos had. Oh yeah and remember in San Andreas there were sound of AKs when your in the hood? We need that sh*t back

Edited August 16, 2010 by Sckarface

[lazloisdavrock]

Yeah bro, I agree with you, in GTA IV the hood didn't really feel like a hood in real life, you didn't have the sense of danger like in Vice City or San Andreas. There were no homeboys chilling inside their vehicles, with the music on full blast, no people playing basketball or sh*t like that. We need that feeling back that the SA ghettos had. Oh yeah and remember in San Andreas there were sound of AKs when your in the hood? We need that sh*t back

yeah, u could be in Ganton anywhere and here gun shots in the distance, and cops speeding to the area. Ganton was hard sh*t.

[BrownBear]

I agree in general hst the whole city should be abit more lively, GTA IV had the people part down but the city itself felt abit dull to me.

 

I like your idea of abandoned houses and dimmed street lights, i would also like to see cracked up roads, smashed windows, shells of cars, rival gangs arguing on the street and even shooting each other, graffiti and large groups of gangsters hanging out, swearing and drinking, they could also add random events to make it feel more alive like gunshots flyingg about, gangs shooting each other, drug deals and maybe gangs setting cars on fire.

[lazloisdavrock]

I used to hate having to drive thru Cuban turf in Vice city and the same with ballas in SA, if i was on a mission and didnt want to loose health i would plan a route on the mao to go around there hood. things like that bring realism, good realism .

[Sckarface]

I used to hate having to drive thru Cuban turf in Vice city and the same with ballas in SA, if i was on a mission and didnt want to loose health i would plan a route on the mao to go around there hood. things like that bring realism, good realism .

Me too. I used to hate going inside Little Haiti in Vice City. Even driving at full speed through the long road past Little Haiti you could see bullets flying past you. Damn those were the days.

[McReary7772]

Imo the iv era Liberty City was a dissapointment.

 

I remember in san andreas i didnt even think about going into Idlewood or any other Ballas stronghold unless on a mission

[lazloisdavrock]

Imo the iv era Liberty City was a dissapointment.

 

I remember in san andreas i didnt even think about going into Idlewood or any other Ballas stronghold unless on a mission

Exactly, u can walk right into a "Hard" area like Bohan in gta4 and see grandmas on the sidewalks walking around at midnight...

[bobgtafan]

Lol Idk what you fools are talking about, Vice City and SA had pussy slums. Try to going through Portland in GTA 3 after you kill Salvorte, now that was a real ghetto. Either A. you were in the warehouse and dock districts and a pussy, B. were in diablos turf getting your car swarmed and beat to death, C. in Chinatown getting shot at by small little men, or D. dead in Mafia turf because they had shotguns and didn't take no sh*t. Vice City slums were easy enough with an uzi.

[Kwandilibro]

Oh sh*t.

 

First of all, the damn groups are too small. Gangs often hang out in groups of upwards of 10 people, not 2 or 3 walking aimlessly down the street. And they usually have hotspots to hang out, like a crack house, or a specific apartment in the projects. Or perhaps an old couch in the courtyard if we're getting super ghetto.

 

Second, where's the action? Gangs in IV do nothing. They rarely, if ever, fight/shoot at anyone but you. IRL, gang members would be smoking weed, getting high, trying to get with the sluts, showing off their cars, counting money, gambling. And they would, again, be hanging out in large groups. That's the main purpose of a street gang, other than drug dealing. Some members may get into fights, they may fight other non gang members, and they may even attack lone police officers(or in Chicago, they'd shoot em with a sniper).

 

Again, no action. Gang members are often seen(especially at night) selling drugs, fighting, etc. The gang members should be hustling, robbing people, getting into fights/shootouts, getting arrested, and things like that.

 

Where to find a gang member? Well, it sure as hell isn't walking around all day like a f*cking robot. Chances are, during the day they might be selling drugs. Or just hanging out, getting high, getting drunk, and having loads of unprotected sex. So there will always be prostitutes(see "hoes") around. But, like all normal people, gang members do things. They go to stores, ride trains, and go places in general just like the rest of us.

 

The Hood.

 

The hood/ghetto/slums, whatever you want to call it, has never been done correctly in GTA. For one, it's too damn clean. In LC, there should have been garbage bags stacked up to the ceiling in the projects. There should have been just general sh*t strewn about, creating a more dirty, unkempt feel. As stated in the OP, there should be dimmed lights, abandoned buildings, crack houses, and lots of liquor stores. There needs to be that dirty, dangerous feel that you get when entering a bad neighborhood.

 

Now, SA seemed to touch on the dangerous feel a bit. There were random shootouts at times, police constantly patrolling, and the best of all, the AK-47 and handgun sounds in the background when in Los Santos(You could even hear it in the airport). The Ballas, VLA, and Vagos would open fire on CJ at will, even on the first site. Even in the Firefly Projects and most of Bohan, I saw gang members, but I never felt that sense of danger. Everyone conducted themselves like a gentleman unless provoked by means of violence. In SA, I hated driving through Idlewood, and especially East Los Santos and Jefferson, because the Ballas would take every opportunity to blast at me wherever I was.

 

These are some things R* needs to consider about gangs and the ghetto in general. Unless of course, GTA shows up in London........

[Sckarface]

Lol Idk what you fools are talking about, Vice City and SA had pussy slums. Try to going through Portland in GTA 3 after you kill Salvorte, now that was a real ghetto. Either A. you were in the warehouse and dock districts and a pussy, B. were in diablos turf getting your car swarmed and beat to death, C. in Chinatown getting shot at by small little men, or D. dead in Mafia turf because they had shotguns and didn't take no sh*t. Vice City slums were easy enough with an uzi.

sh*t man, forgot about that. Damn. Portland was f*cking messed. They shot at first glance. Those were some cold-blooded motherf*ckers. But them areas still didn't have that hood feel that Little Haiti or Idlewood had.

[thedamned38]

Yeah they need the ghettos to feel more, well GHETTO. In IV no crimes ever happen in the ghettos, they looked good visually but werent dangerous or active at all

[Algonquin Assassin]

I must admit I miss the sense of danger, but also I would much prefer no more persistent annoyances.

 

I don't think gangs should just start attacking you immediately. In SA you had the trash talking from gangs, but still could've been done alot better.

 

If you're walking through a gang neighbourhood there should be a feeling of not being welcome, and having the feeling of eyes looking at you even if you can't see gang members on the screen. Hell R* could make so you can hear (slightly) gang members saying stuff like "You're on the wrong set homeboy" making you feel as if you shouldn't be there.

 

Not only should the sense of danger extend to us it should also extend to other peds. You could be walking/driving, and seeing a ped being beaten in a back alley, bastketball court etc.

 

Also no incredible eyesight. I always thought it was retarded that gang members could pick me out in a speeding vehicle, and start shooting at me. How would a regular gang member know who I am out of the bazzilion cars they see everyday?

 

Make it more realistic. Much more realistic infact.

[BrownBear]

I would also love random things like people staggering about with stab/gunshot wounds, people passed out on the ground drunk/high and people squaring off to each other.

[patsfan4life]

Oh please. Going through Vagos and Ballas neighborhoods was easy as hell. I liked the ghetto feel there in those neighborhoods. Sam with little haiti. It was pretty hard in GTA III though, because the mafia used rocket launchers against me when i was doing a race for El Burro, so there are two sides of extremes here.

[ZayDaGawd]

Another thing, if they're going to add sky high project buildings again, they should do it right. Despite what people believe, not every project building in one project is controlled by one gang. Its usually one gang runs 3 buildings and a rival gang runs another 3. Which is why in real life you have gang members getting on top of project buildings sniping at each other or shooting at each other with AKs.

[Sergi]

Kinda off topic but I was reading the old SA unveil Gameinformer cover story and that was honestly the best GTA cover story art and best GTA unveiling period. The way they went into detail about SA was amazing. Granted alot of the more ambitious aspects such as casino and gang building were absent or not used in the sense R* originally intended. When IV was finally unveiled I had more hopes and anticipation in what the rumors were then what the actual game was. I hope when R* does unveil then next GTA in Gameinformer which they will since every GTA since III 1st covered in that magazine, that it's truly epic.

[NinjaWJ]

i agree with OP. they need to make the ghettos and projects more dangerous just like VC. VC had that dangerous feeling when you entered little haiti.

[Sckarface]

Rockstar should take some inspiration from the game that they created themselves... The Warriors. That game was the sh*t. Going to other gangs neighborhoods felt scary as f*ck. The detail of the neighborhoods, the lighting, the sound was completely out of this world. But now hardly anyone knows about that game and is left piling up dirt.

 

 

Edited August 16, 2010 by Sckarface

[BrownBear]

Rockstar should take some inspiration from the game that they created themselves... The Warriors. That game was the sh*t. Going to other gangs neighborhoods felt scary as f*ck. The detail of the neighborhoods, the lighting, the sound was completely out of this world. But now hardly anyone knows about that game and is left piling up dirt.

I would love the ccombat system of Warriors in GTA.

[patsfan4life]

i agree with OP. they need to make the ghettos and projects more dangerous just like VC. VC had that dangerous feeling when you entered little haiti.

The haitian gang wasn't dangerous at all. The only thing they can do is chase me, and yell "I want the hear you SCREEEAAAMMMM".

[NinjaWJ]

they shoot at you

[sminem]

 

In vice city, when you were in hatian turf, you felt the difference than say being in ocean beach. You knew you had to get out of their turf asap, unless you were bored and just wanted a shootout.

 

I kind of feel compelled to agree with you seeing as how I'm a major VC fan. Your right though if you were on Haitian turf and you didn't have any sort of weapon you were pretty much screwed up the ass I mean if you had a car you had a fighting chance but you still could be killed easily. And don't even get me started on what would happen if you got caught in between a Cuban vs. Haitian street fight if you were in the middle of that sh*t without a gun you'd be lucky to survive. My point being made is yes we need more life in ghetto areas but maybe not as much as VC because your not really going to see two gangs on the street constantly shooting at each other in real life.

[ZayDaGawd]

In vice city, when you were in hatian turf, you felt the difference than say being in ocean beach. You knew you had to get out of their turf asap, unless you were bored and just wanted a shootout.

 

I kind of feel compelled to agree with you seeing as how I'm a major VC fan. Your right though if you were on Haitian turf and you didn't have any sort of weapon you were pretty much screwed up the ass I mean if you had a car you had a fighting chance but you still could be killed easily. And don't even get me started on what would happen if you got caught in between a Cuban vs. Haitian street fight if you were in the middle of that sh*t without a gun you'd be lucky to survive. My point being made is yes we need more life in ghetto areas but maybe not as much as VC because your not really going to see two gangs on the street constantly shooting at each other in real life.

Well, i mean, in the mid 80s in a miami ghetto(the same time vice city took place), there were 4 murders in 2 hours in one neighborhood, all because of rival gangs.

 

Or in the early 90s in chicago, 300 people were shot with 28 killed, in one weekend in one housing project.

 

So yea, things can get pretty crazy.

[IllnessGTA]

You know, I should feel the way in the Ghettos of the next GTA the same as I feel when I'm going to dangerous parts of Hackney with my friends; basically, scared and/or paranoid.

[McReary7772]

 

These are some things R* needs to consider about gangs and the ghetto in general. Unless of course, GTA shows up in London........

If gta goes to london there will be a pile of wanabe gangstars running about with knifes acting hard.

[Rucke]

I think North Holland was a pretty good rendition of the real life Harlem. South Bohan felt very ghetto-ish as well.

[Anasterian]

 

These are some things R* needs to consider about gangs and the ghetto in general. Unless of course, GTA shows up in London........

If gta goes to london there will be a pile of wanabe gangstars running about with knifes acting hard.

Haha, they will keep stabbing you and you wont be able to move as you will constantly stumble back and then you died from few guys with knives even though you had a lot of guns on you.

[Official General]

 

I think North Holland was a pretty good rendition of the real life Harlem. South Bohan felt very ghetto-ish as well.

@ Rucke - Except for the fact that Rockstar completely messed up the original North Holland look in the Ballad of Gay Tony by overrunning the area with white biker gangs (Angels of Death).

 

North Holland is clearly based on Black Harlem in New York. The original GTA 4 game really did a good job of making North Holland look like Harlem, with the high-rise red-brick projects, brownstone apartments, the basketball courts, bodegas, cornerstores, urban high-street stores, fast-food joints and the predominantly black residents and pedestrians and the huge presence of black street gangs like the North Holland Hustlers. Then in the Ballad of Gay Tony, Rockstar just ruined everything and put swarms of white biker gangs in North Holland. Since when were there ever a major presence of modern-day white biker gangs in Harlem or even New York City for that matter? The only gangs in Harlem you are gonna see are African-American street gangs and the Hispanic gangs in Spanish Harlem.

 

That the biker idea for North Holland was straight retarded. I really dont know why Rockstar did that.

 

South Bohan was done very well, I agree with that one.

 

ON TOPIC:

 

I think GTA 4 did a brilliant job of re-creating the ghettoes and rough areas of New York. For instance there were many really rough-looking parts of Broker like the Firefly Projects, Beechwood and Schottler, there were some real grimey-looking streets in South Bohan and as I've said above, North Holland was done very well to look like a Harlem ghetto. Acter in Alderney looked a bit like parts of Newark, in New Jersey which is a very tough place.

 

The main problem with GTA 4's Liberty City was that nothing really that bad seemed to happening in any of the city's dangerous and rough neighbourhoods that did not invlove the player. You had to ignite the trouble yourself with gangs or police to get any mayhem started. You very rarely, if ever saw gang members or mobsters having shoot-outs with each other, you did not see any criminals committing crimes on other people like street robberies, stealing, mugging, getting into gunfights, massive brawls, getting into shoot-outs or chases with police, NONE of that stuff. You could'nt even at least hear gunshots in the distance. There was just no sense of danger whatsoever in the bad neighbourhoods in the GTA 4-era Libery City and I really missed that.

 

I loved the way GTA Vice City made Vice City's rough neighbourhoods very dangerous places to be in. I can still remember being amazed at walking through Little Havana and Little Haiti minding my own business and then seeing vicious shoot-outs and gunfights breaking out between Cuban and Haitian gangs at a moments notice. I also liked the way you could see theieves stealing cars or sometimes carjacking you and pulling you out of the car and driving off! In GTA San Andreas, you had to avoid certain neighbourhoods to avoid getting blasted by other gangs or getting into shoot-outs. There were gang members having gunfights in SA that would not invlove you aswell. I miss all those elements of a rough GTA city neighbourhood/ghetto.

[McReary7772]

 

These are some things R* needs to consider about gangs and the ghetto in general. Unless of course, GTA shows up in London........

If gta goes to london there will be a pile of wanabe gangstars running about with knifes acting hard.

Haha, they will keep stabbing you and you wont be able to move as you will constantly stumble back and then you died from few guys with knives even though you had a lot of guns on you.

Yea lol or an odd time they might pull out a handgun lol