Pedestrian Improvements

[thedamned38]

I would like to see some ped. improvements. First of all they need to stop talking about smoking. 99% of conversations in IV were talking about smoking cigs(not that big of a deal, but it shouldnt be repeated in V). IV was an improvement from previous GTA's with peds listening to mp3's, answering phones, etc. But then again it was the same as all other GTA's where they just spawn and walk around in circles. The gang peds in IV weren't very good, in V i would like to see gangs dealing drugs, fighting, stealing cars, etc. And its supposed be set in a huge inner city yet no crimes ever happened in IV unless it was caused by yourself.

 

In V I want to really feel that the city is dangerous just like in real life. They should put in more random events like muggings, street fights, drive-bys, robberies, car theft, etc. And make the crimes increase during night time. Like i think this would be cool to see in V: Your walking through downtown late at night and you decide to walk through a bad area, criminals or bums approach you to rob what you have, you have the choice to give in or fight back. And if you dont give in they try to jump you. I want it to feel like the city is really dangerous and that your not the only criminal walking the streets.

 

Discuss.

Edited August 14, 2010 by thedamned38

[toni cinpriani]

yeah that would be cool! But in IV I was being jacked by criminals plenty of times. (farewell sportscar ) But I would like it if they can start a conversation with you.

[AlfieWilRus]

I don't want to get jacked though cause in IV I LOST MY f*ckING INFERNUS!!!! From a low life retarded that jacked me.

[Typhus]

To make it feel really dangerous. They need another serial killer. But this time have crime scenes set up at areas in which he's struck. And in those areas it should be deathly quiet at night, because people are afraid to go out.

Of course, we should meet this dude eventually. But the freak aspect of big cities should be a part of every game. Every city has these sickos lurking in the alleyways and slums. And I'd like a good sense of fear when they're still out there killing random folks.

 

In terms of gangs, I think the occasional drive-by shooting would be great. As well as real-life mirrors of such events, like big protests calling for an end to the violence. Police blocking off an entire street every once in a while.

[TheBlackProject]

I would like to see some ped. improvements. First of all they need to stop talking about smoking. 99% of conversations in IV were talking about smoking cigs(not that big of a deal, but it shouldnt be repeated in V). IV was an improvement from previous GTA's with peds listening to mp3's, answering phones, etc. But then again it was the same as all other GTA's where they just spawn and walk around in circles. The gang peds in IV weren't very good, in V i would like to see gangs dealing drugs, fighting, stealing cars, etc. And its supposed be set in a huge inner city yet no crimes ever happened in IV unless it was caused by yourself.

 

In V I want to really feel that the city is dangerous just like in real life. They should put in more random events like muggings, street fights, drive-bys, robberies, car theft, etc. And make the crimes increase during night time. Like i think this would be cool to see in V: Your walking through downtown late at night and you decide to walk through a bad area, criminals or bums approach you to rob what you have, you have the choice to give in or fight back. And if you dont give in they try to jump you. I want it to feel like the city is really dangerous and that your not the only criminal walking the streets.

 

Discuss.

Yes I agree, the gang system was so poor in GTA IV that it felt like there wasn't any gang system at all. In San Andreas for example, all the gang members had colors. Grove Street Families wore green and they were constantly in a circle on the sidewalk like a gang in real life. It made it feel so real, and every time they see a Ballas gang member they would shoot them.

 

This was especially more memorable in Vice City, between the Haitians and the Cubans. The Cubans all had color (white) and Haitians too (dark blue). Again, they were in circles making it look like an actual gang that are talking to each other, and would even invade each other! You would probably remember Cubans constantly attacking Haitians and they were violent too. In GTA IV, you can't even tell who is a gangster without looking at this site.

 

http://gta.wikia.com/Gangs_in_GTA_IV_Era

[thedamned38]

To make it feel really dangerous. They need another serial killer. But this time have crime scenes set up at areas in which he's struck. And in those areas it should be deathly quiet at night, because people are afraid to go out.

Of course, we should meet this dude eventually. But the freak aspect of big cities should be a part of every game. Every city has these sickos lurking in the alleyways and slums. And I'd like a good sense of fear when they're still out there killing random folks.

 

In terms of gangs, I think the occasional drive-by shooting would be great. As well as real-life mirrors of such events, like big protests calling for an end to the violence. Police blocking off an entire street every once in a while.

Yeah i agree like they could have used star junction in IV for protest and other events but nothing ever happens there.

[thedamned38]

@ TheBlackProject exactly, i want to see that again. I thought those previous GTA's had better gang activity.

 

@ AlfieWilRus really? see stuff like that never happens to me in IV unless i walk too far away from my car and it disapears, i've never seen a ped run up and steal my car in IV. I just want the streets to feel much more dangerous and active in V. Sorry to hear about that infernus, that brings up another issue, some cars never spawn unless YOU are driving it, then they spawn everywhere. Hopefully they address that in V

Edited August 14, 2010 by thedamned38

[Dnero]

Speaking of peds, how about interacting with them? Hmmm?

 

We had this in SA, CJ can interact to a drug dealer (the black dude with the black tank top) by saying yes or no to him.

[WF the Hobgoblin]

I agree.

 

I think random events / encounters like in Red Dead Redemption should be implemented in the next gta.

 

More pedestrians would be nice too.

[CryptReaperDorian]

I agree.

 

I think random events / encounters like RDR should be implemented in the next gta.

 

More pedestrians would be nice too.

That would be fine, but only if people aren't asking me to return their vehicle every other minute. Some of those random events in Red Dead Redemption annoyed the sh*t out of me.

[Kwandilibro]

Speaking of peds, how about interacting with them? Hmmm?

 

We had this in SA, CJ can interact to a drug dealer (the black dude with the black tank top) by saying yes or no to him.

There was a white drug dealer too. He wore a gray sweatshirt.

[GTA_dog]

I honestly didn't know there were carjackers other than myself in the game. I've never been carjacked in-game. Where does it happen most frequently?

[Spaghetti Cat]

 

I agree.

 

I think random events / encounters like RDR should be implemented in the next gta.

 

More pedestrians would be nice too.

That would be fine, but only if people aren't asking me to return their vehicle every other minute. Some of those random events in Red Dead Redemption annoyed the sh*t out of me.

True. I really hate the guy who comes out of nowhere "they're about to hang my wife/brother/dog help me!!!" I could be in the middle of nowhere and this dude comes up on me. I'm hunting here guy, go find someone else damnit!

/end rant

 

But yeah if they do this it should be every so often, not like the friends phoning you to go out. No Roman I don't want to go bowling, damnit!!!

/end rant again

[WF the Hobgoblin]

I agree.

 

I think random events / encounters like RDR should be implemented in the next gta.

 

More pedestrians would be nice too.

That would be fine, but only if people aren't asking me to return their vehicle every other minute. Some of those random events in Red Dead Redemption annoyed the sh*t out of me.

You didn't have to help them though.

 

Anyway, i was meaning muggings, shootings etc.

Random events rather than challenges / side missions.

[Mr.Moffat]

I agree with loads of points here.

 

But GTAIV was a huge improvment over last gen. has any one ever noticed the mailmen? they should add more of that kind of stuff such as milkmen appearing very early in the morning in suburbs.

 

There was one thing dangerous about liberty city, you never really knew who was a gang member and who was armed, in the other gta's the gang members were obvious and you could clearly see who was armed. In IV they are less obvious and it feels risky to fire off a weapon in areas like hove beach.

 

It was cool too wen you walked up to a group of people and just stood there, aafter a while they would notice you and begin to tell you to go away, then if you didi'nt they would start threatening you, or fighting you, and if you then just pulled a gun out,, without even aiming it they would draw their guns.

[thedamned38]

 

I honestly didn't know there were carjackers other than myself in the game. I've never been carjacked in-game. Where does it happen most frequently?

Honestly, I dont think it happens. I've played GTA IV steadily since the day it came out, and out of all the time I've played I've NEVER been car jacked. I've deliberatley tried going to sh*tty neiborhoods and and bad areas to see if it happens and it has never happened. I've had my cars dissapear but never have I had one stolen.

Edited August 14, 2010 by thedamned38

[jamieleng]

I don't want to get jacked though cause in IV I LOST MY f*ckING INFERNUS!!!! From a low life retarded that jacked me.

You should've just whistled for your car & the thief will be ejected...wait...sorry, wrong game.

 

I would like the peds to have actual conversations rather than one person saying a sentence & the other guy saying something like "Right on" or "Totally'. It becomes really noticeable the more you play & doesn't seem like much of an improvement over San Andreas. I may just be looking through rose tinted glasses as I no longer own it, but SA seemed to have more criminal acts being commited by peds. I know it was scripted but the Los Santos riot was one of the best bits of that game as the chaos made the streets seem really dangerous.

[Kwandilibro]

I don't want to get jacked though cause in IV I LOST MY f*ckING INFERNUS!!!! From a low life retarded that jacked me.

You should've just whistled for your car & the thief will be ejected...wait...sorry, wrong game.

 

I would like the peds to have actual conversations rather than one person saying a sentence & the other guy saying something like "Right on" or "Totally'. It becomes really noticeable the more you play & doesn't seem like much of an improvement over San Andreas. I may just be looking through rose tinted glasses as I no longer own it, but SA seemed to have more criminal acts being commited by peds. I know it was scripted but the Los Santos riot was one of the best bits of that game as the chaos made the streets seem really dangerous.

If you notice, in SA, the gangs would attack each other on sight, engaging in massive shootouts with anyone. They would shoot at enemies, cops, and even their fellow gang members. They would even steal each others' cars at times. And there were those thugs in blue who would steal people's cars, which every now and then would start a gunfight.

 

You also saw those random police chases, where the cops would be chasing a random pedestrian around, and if there were multiple people in the car, the pedestrians would shoot at the cops.

 

Also, sometimes, you would see a random person just start fights with people(I also saw this in VCS).

 

 

[jamieleng]

I don't want to get jacked though cause in IV I LOST MY f*ckING INFERNUS!!!! From a low life retarded that jacked me.

You should've just whistled for your car & the thief will be ejected...wait...sorry, wrong game.

 

I would like the peds to have actual conversations rather than one person saying a sentence & the other guy saying something like "Right on" or "Totally'. It becomes really noticeable the more you play & doesn't seem like much of an improvement over San Andreas. I may just be looking through rose tinted glasses as I no longer own it, but SA seemed to have more criminal acts being commited by peds. I know it was scripted but the Los Santos riot was one of the best bits of that game as the chaos made the streets seem really dangerous.

If you notice, in SA, the gangs would attack each other on sight, engaging in massive shootouts with anyone. They would shoot at enemies, cops, and even their fellow gang members. They would even steal each others' cars at times. And there were those thugs in blue who would steal people's cars, which every now and then would start a gunfight.

 

You also saw those random police chases, where the cops would be chasing a random pedestrian around, and if there were multiple people in the car, the pedestrians would shoot at the cops.

 

Also, sometimes, you would see a random person just start fights with people(I also saw this in VCS).

I thought GTA IV was going for more realism but not only do you commit the worst crimes in Liberty City, you seem to be the only one doing serious crime on a regular basis. Why is it every time I incite a ped to punch me in front of a cop, the cop doesn't arrest them for an assault but for 'stolen credit cards'. How can every random person I get in a fight with be carrying dodgy credit cards or a concealed weapon they never bothered pulling on me. R* needs to sort this sh*t out for the next one.

[thedamned38]

I don't want to get jacked though cause in IV I LOST MY f*ckING INFERNUS!!!! From a low life retarded that jacked me.

You should've just whistled for your car & the thief will be ejected...wait...sorry, wrong game.

 

I would like the peds to have actual conversations rather than one person saying a sentence & the other guy saying something like "Right on" or "Totally'. It becomes really noticeable the more you play & doesn't seem like much of an improvement over San Andreas. I may just be looking through rose tinted glasses as I no longer own it, but SA seemed to have more criminal acts being commited by peds. I know it was scripted but the Los Santos riot was one of the best bits of that game as the chaos made the streets seem really dangerous.

yeah thats how i started noticing the whole smoking thing. the more i played the more i realized how much they talked about smoking, for example: "If my boss ask me to put out my cigarette one more time, im gonna put it out in his eye!" or " I'm the poster child for a pack a day habit" and they're usually replied by "Sure" or, "Thats crazy man",or "What ever you say", etc.

[ZayDaGawd]

As far as the projects go, i remember reading that during the crack era in chicago and st.louis, gangs who controlled the project buildings would snipe at other gangs from differnt buildings as well as police. Maybe they can include that in the next GTA.

[Kwandilibro]

As far as the projects go, i remember reading that during the crack era in chicago and st.louis, gangs who controlled the project buildings would snipe at other gangs from differnt buildings as well as police. Maybe they can include that in the next GTA.

Cabrini Green?

[ZayDaGawd]

Cabrina Green, Robert Taylor homes etc...

 

Conrach Gardens in st.louis..

[AlfieWilRus]

@ TheBlackProject exactly, i want to see that again. I thought those previous GTA's had better gang activity.

 

@ AlfieWilRus really? see stuff like that never happens to me in IV unless i walk too far away from my car and it disapears, i've never seen a ped run up and steal my car in IV. I just want the streets to feel much more dangerous and active in V. Sorry to hear about that infernus, that brings up another issue, some cars never spawn unless YOU are driving it, then they spawn everywhere. Hopefully they address that in V

I really hated it when my Infernus got stolen. I tried to catch it but the closest car was a patriot and there is no way that is going to catch up to an Infernus. And they should make it more realistic in that super cars almost don't appear at all. I mean not very many people have million dollar cars. Its like in VC everyone has a 500,000 Ferrari Testarossa or how ever that car cost. The game should make it that in any save game you play there is only a limited amount of the cars available. Like if there are only 3 infernus in one island and you steal them all no more Infernus will ever spawn on that Island EVER. I want that kind of realism so you are more cautious on what car you drive.

[Captain VXR]

I want peds to do more things like stalk you and attack you occasionally, it'd make you think twice about walking through certain areas at night. It'd be awesome if some help you in these sorts of situations. Likewise you could help people being attacked too. I find it annoying that to rob someone, you have to kill them, you should be able to try to pickpocket, mug or threaten people with weapons to steal money, phones and clothing. I dont like love-meet or pointless dancing, so it should be possible to get g/fs and one night stands with peds by doing various things like chance encounters, helping them, etc

 

Hell, you should be able to shop-lift, rob banks, etc and get various wanted levels and security guards chase you depending on the severity of the crime

Edited August 15, 2010 by Captain VXR

[mrpain]

GTA peds could learn alot more from RDR peds.

 

Random encounters are a must. In RDR, a woman would always lure me to her sometimes when I'm out in the wild. Once I got near her carriage, bandits came out of nowhere demanding me for money. Of course I shot them all down.

 

Now what if in the next GTA, someone would lure you into an alley and tried to rob you? Then you shoot him.

[thedamned38]

I want peds to do more things like stalk you and attack you occasionally, it'd make you think twice about walking through certain areas at night. It'd be awesome if some help you in these sorts of situations. Likewise you could help people being attacked too. I find it annoying that to rob someone, you have to kill them, you should be able to try to pickpocket, mug or threaten people with weapons to steal money, phones and clothing. I dont like love-meet or pointless dancing, so it should be possible to get g/fs and one night stands with peds by doing various things like chance encounters, helping them, etc

 

Hell, you should be able to shop-lift, rob banks, etc and get various wanted levels and security guards chase you depending on the severity of the crime

Yeah thats exactly what i want. I think that would really add to the feel of the game's city if you had to watch out for other criminals trying to rob you in the streets, or hey even if you had to watch out for sketchy people trying to fight you just because your in the wrong place at the wrong time. Thats another thing to, i want them to implement a better way for the player to rob people. For example, it would be cool if you could actually steal items like watches, phones, TV's, computers, etc. and then you could go to pawn shops or other criminals and you can sell the stolen goods just like you would with furrs in RDR.

[CryptReaperDorian]

I want peds to do more things like stalk you and attack you occasionally, it'd make you think twice about walking through certain areas at night. It'd be awesome if some help you in these sorts of situations. Likewise you could help people being attacked too. I find it annoying that to rob someone, you have to kill them, you should be able to try to pickpocket, mug or threaten people with weapons to steal money, phones and clothing. I dont like love-meet or pointless dancing, so it should be possible to get g/fs and one night stands with peds by doing various things like chance encounters, helping them, etc

 

Hell, you should be able to shop-lift, rob banks, etc and get various wanted levels and security guards chase you depending on the severity of the crime

Yeah thats exactly what i want. I think that would really add to the feel of the game's city if you had to watch out for other criminals trying to rob you in the streets, or hey even if you had to watch out for sketchy people trying to fight you just because your in the wrong place at the wrong time. Thats another thing to, i want them to implement a better way for the player to rob people. For example, it would be cool if you could actually steal items like watches, phones, TV's, computers, etc. and then you could go to pawn shops or other criminals and you can sell the stolen goods just like you would with furrs in RDR.

I would love to have that night job that GTA SA had with the Boxville back (even if it does mean loading screens with houses having similar interiors). GTA IV used some stealth (hiding from cops), but I would like some of that Manhunt stealth to come back like GTA SA had. I think mugging people should be similar to SR2 (aiming gun at somebody), but you have to press a special "taunt" button to get them to fork out cash.

[thedamned38]

 

@ TheBlackProject exactly, i want to see that again. I thought those previous GTA's had better gang activity.

 

@ AlfieWilRus really? see stuff like that never happens to me in IV unless i walk too far away from my car and it disapears, i've never seen a ped run up and steal my car in IV. I just want the streets to feel much more dangerous and active in V. Sorry to hear about that infernus, that brings up another issue, some cars never spawn unless YOU are driving it, then they spawn everywhere. Hopefully they address that in V

I really hated it when my Infernus got stolen. I tried to catch it but the closest car was a patriot and there is no way that is going to catch up to an Infernus. And they should make it more realistic in that super cars almost don't appear at all. I mean not very many people have million dollar cars. Its like in VC everyone has a 500,000 Ferrari Testarossa or how ever that car cost. The game should make it that in any save game you play there is only a limited amount of the cars available. Like if there are only 3 infernus in one island and you steal them all no more Infernus will ever spawn on that Island EVER. I want that kind of realism so you are more cautious on what car you drive.

thats a damn good idea about the rare cars. it bothered me in IV you never saw infernus' until you got the one Bernie gives you then it seems like ever other citizen has one. they need to work on rare cars being rare, but also being findable, no more player driving an infernus and the rest of the city has them too until you get into another vehicle, i allways hated that.

[Official General]

@ thedamned38

 

Man, I've been saying this for a while! In fact I have mentioned this a number of times in other forum posts on here.

 

One of the main things about GTA 4 that I did not like was the limited variety of actions and crimes committed by the peds. I never once saw cars get stolen, carjackings, people getting mugged or robbed, people getting chased, and I never witnessed any shoot-outs between criminal or gang member peds that did not involve me as the player. I did see a few street brawls that did not invlove me but that was very rare. Even in the worst parts of GTA 4 Liberty City, you could stand in the most roughest street corner for hours and see nothing really that bad happening at all. GTA 4 had the best setting for all this stuff, but it was never there.

 

One of the reasons I loved GTA: Vice City was the fact that you could go into certain rough neighbourhoods and see a lot of bad stuff going on. You would see drug addicts robbing other peds, you'd see car theives stealing cars or carjacking someone or even you! I also liked the way in Vice City you would regularly come across random gunfights and shoot-outs erupting between Cuban and Haitian gangs in Little Havana and Little Haiti. In the North Point area of Vice City, you'd see the Street Wannabe gang members having shoot-outs with other gangs all the time. All of this was also present in GTA San Andreas with the Grove Street Families, Ballas and Mexican gang members always having shoot-outs with each other, plus drug dealers and street robbers committing crimes. The sad and shameful thing about GTA 4 is that with the new technology it uses, it has virtually none of these features! I really thought GTA 4 was gonna improve on this, but I was very wrong.

 

The only thing I liked about GTA 4 was the fact that gang members and Mob guys on street in public normally concealed their weapons and where not always easy to spot amongst the civilian crowd. It was good the way you would point a gun or weapon at some random guy only to see him pull out his gun and blast right back at you the moment you dropped your guard. I'd like that to stay that way because thats how it is in real-life generally.

 

With reference to this subject, I wanna see in the next GTA:

 

* Mob, gang member and general street criminal peds having street brawls, shoot-outs, gunfights and drive-bys with each other on random occasions, that do not invlove the player at all. The player can have the option of joining in the mayhem if that choice is made.

 

* Criminal, mob and gang member peds being chased by police in car and on foot, having shoot-outs with police that are not started by the player and do not invlove the player at all. Once again, the player can have the option of joining in the mayhem if that choice is made.

 

* Crimes being committed by criminal or gang member peds like local bank and store-hold ups, street robberies, muggings and stick-ups, truck hijackings, car thefts, carjackings, selling drugs, etc. The option to steal goods or money from these other criminals/gang members is open to the player.

 

* It would be really good to have street criminal peds that will randomly try to do harm to the player like start a fight, carjack him or rob him at gun/knife point, whether on their own or in groups. Also the player will be able to witness random encounters by seeing other peds being victimized by crime, like being robbed, held-up, carjacked, beaten up or shot at, and the player would obviously have the option of defending himself and other peds by fighting back or killing them. Similar to the random encounters found in Red Dead Redemption.

 

* Most of the bad stuff the peds do will take place in rough districts, areas of high crime and gang/organized crime activity. Peds will do more 'civilized activities and actions' in much nicer, and safer neighbourhoods.

 

* Seeing peds doing other things like gang members and drug dealers hanging out on street corners in large groups, Mob guys standing outside restaurants and social clubs, guys playing craps and dice games, street parades, peds attending musical and social events, selling stuff on street markets other than food, riding bikes, selling newspapers, fixing vehicles, queing up outside nightclubs and bars etc.

 

* Finally, yeah I agree with making the most expensive cars to be much rarer to see and harder to steal.