New Computer Suggestions

[OverTheBelow]

So you're building it yourself? You in the US? Budget still $1000?

 

I can try and put together a better build if you're interested.

It's now $700.

[mariu$]

it was 1000$ with monitor

and im not in the US

 

Heres the final config:

i7-750

P7P55 LX

Corsair DDR3 4GB 1600 CMX4GX3M2A1600C8 or CMX4GX3M2A1600C9

Ati 5770 1GB

WD/Samsung HDD 500GB

Thermaltake 550W TR2-Power-W0102R

Thermaltake M5

 

about 750$

let me know what you think, esp about ram mb and psu

[OverTheBelow]

it was 1000$ with monitor

and im not in the US

 

Heres the final config:

i7-750

P7P55 LX

Corsair DDR3 4GB 1600 CMX4GX3M2A1600C8 or CMX4GX3M2A1600C9

Ati 5770 1GB

WD/Samsung HDD 500GB

Thermaltake 550W TR2-Power-W0102R

Thermaltake M5

 

about 750$

let me know what you think, esp about ram mb and psu

Ram is fine. Motherboard should be fine too if you don't do any serious overclocking with it. PSU is fine, but if you upgrade in the future you'll probably need to buy more watts.

 

Have you checked sites for the i5-760? It's showing up cheaper on Aria.co.uk than the 750 and it's faster, you might want to have a look.

[anus]

Don't go with that board. Go for something like MSI P55A-G55, GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD3 or ASUS P7P55D-E.

 

That board doesn't support SATAIII or USB 3.0. The above boards do, and the MSI is only slightly more expensive.

 

For memory, you can get Mushkin 996782 4GB DDR3 1600 which is cheaper and faster than the Corsair (CAS 7 vs CAS 8 and 9). Or you can get GeIL GUP34GB1600C7BDC or Mushkin 996947. These two are faster and cheaper than the Corsair too.

 

Get a SATAIII HDD like the WD WD1002FAEX. It's 1TB and under $100 and is a great performer.

 

For a PSU. something like the OCZ Fatal1ty OCZ550FTY should be better. It's 80 Plus certified too.

[mariu$]

i could order ram and hdd from ebay but not a motherboard, or psu.

ill take a look at your suggestions and post here

but if i remember correctly , the p7p55d-e slows your pci to x8 if you enable sata and usb 3

 

overtheblow , the 760 will cost me 65$ more and .14Ghz its just not worth it i will OC the 750 to ~3,5 or whats safe on air?

Edited August 3, 2010 by mariu$

[OverTheBelow]

 

i could order ram and hdd from ebay but not a motherboard, or psu.

ill take a look at your suggestions and post here

but if i remember correctly , the p7p55d-e slows your pci to x8 if you enable sata and usb 3

 

overtheblow , the 760 will cost me 65$ more and .14Ghz its just not worth it i will OC the 750 to ~3,5 or whats safe on air?

You could probably get another 1000mhz (to about 4ghz) ish on air before it gets really loud at idle.

Edited August 3, 2010 by OverTheBelow

[yoječ]

It's got energy saving feature so it shouldn't be loud at idle even after OC. (or maybe it turns off when OCing?)

[OverTheBelow]

It's got energy saving feature so it shouldn't be loud at idle even after OC. (or maybe it turns off when OCing?)

I'd imagine it turns off when you OC. I won't know until I get myself one at Christmas though.

[mariu$]

warlord thanks for your idea but i just want to keep it simple and not spent a any more $$

And im interested 2 if the overclocked processor downclocks when not in full use.

Which one would you choose: 4870 2GB sapphire or 5770 Cucore asus

[anus]

It's actually the Gigabyte boards that face this problem as they don't use a PLX bridge. So just stay away from that. The ASUS P7P55D-E. Not sure about the MSI either. So just go with the P7P55D-E .

 

As for the energy saving feature, the i5 750 has it and yes, as long as you keep it enabled it should underclock the CPU when idle, even if you overclock it.

 

Go for the 5770 btw. The 5770 is equal to the 4870 and DX11 is worth it.

Edited August 3, 2010 by Warlord.

[mariu$]

70$ its a lot for a budget built, for usb3 and sata3 , ill let the technology grow up

Cucore or +10$ Vapor X?

 

And whats the downclocking called

[mariu$]

Now im considering AMD as it saves me arround 100$

M4A77TD + AMD Phenom II X4 945 to be exact

any cons?

[mariu$]

Scratch that, -70$ for considerable less performance, not worth it.

[Brawly]

i5-750 is slower than i7 920, 5700 is comparable to 4870. In conclusion, it'll perform worse.

i5 750 is a very fast cpu, and in games you won't see a big difference with the i7's.

 

i5 750 is a perfect cpu you can overclock it easy and it will be just as fast as an i7 minus the hyper threading but GTA doesnt use hyperthreading so go with an i5. Trust me don't waste your money on an i7 if all you are going to do is gaming. Unless you can afford it.

 

The GPU I would go for a GTX 460 its a beast and its cheap, the ATI 5000 cards have had alot of stuttering issues but if you don't mind that then go for it.

Hold on mate, the stuttering problems are probably more related to crossfire than the single cards (I'm using 5850 and only BC2 has issues with stuttering but that's known to happen on ALL GPUs).

 

Also, the 768MB GTX460 is only noticeably slower than the 1GB when you start to crank up the resolution (past 1680x1050) but obviously for a long term investment it's best to go for more VRAM (as well as slightly larger mem bandwidth).

Yeah there hasn't been much stuttering complains about the 5850s I think its mostly the 5870s which is the card that I have and there is a little bit of stutter now and then and lots of people have had the same problem.

 

And the reason I reccomended the GTX 460 is because the OP is on a $1000 budget, but I agree it is best to go with atleast a 1gb GPU now days. Waste of time picking up a card with less than 1gb Vram especially if you wanna play GTA IV on a high res.

[mariu$]

i cant buy a Gtx 460

5770 is good for me

 

brawly how will this system: 750/p7p55 lx/ 4gb 1666/ Cucore 5770, compare to my previous 920/p6t/4gb 1333/4870 1gb? in GTA IV?

[Brawly]

Good choice 5770 is a very nice gpu, and the p7p55d LX is a great mobo but it is optimized for 1 card, so if you plan on crossfire in the future it won't be a good idea to go with that motherboard but if your only going to use 1 card then that motherboard is perfect and a low price. The reason why it isn't a good motherboard for crossfire is it runs at 4x bandwidth which is very bad.

 

If you are planning on crossfire I would reccomend the P7P55D Pro or P7P55D-E pro which would run crossfire in 8x bandwidth and the price isn't much higher than the P7P55D LX. Your cpu and ram are good, compared to your previous rig the i7 920 is better but not really in games the only difference with it is it has hyperthreading which is useless in GTA IV. The 5770 performance compared to the 4870 are relatively the same to see any real difference is if you overclock the 5770.

 

I think you will get about the same performance if not a little bit faster maybe 2-3 frames more if you're lucky. What resolution do you plan on using?

[mariu$]

50" 1080P Plasma

Also if anyone can recommend a branded, not chinese, 15ft Hdmi cable, the newer 2 category or even 1.4, it'd be great

On ebay, i cant find any except monster which are insanely priced

[Ultraman1966]

Mate, there's no real reason to get branded HDMI cables, any should do fine as long as they're up to spec.

You want us to recommend a TV or just telling us you got one?

[mariu$]

Just a HDMi cable

I dont trust chinese ones

So are there any branded 1.3a cat,2 or 1.4 15ft 5M cables?

Also Im assuming i wont have any lag, the plasma has 0.001MS response + the cables one?

Im planning to buy a monster 3M USB cable for my mouse any lag here?

What about a Logitech Pro 2000 Cordless keyboard

any of these produce lag?

[Rachpoil]

Buying branded HDMI cables is a TOTAL waist of money. My friend got had when his seller threw in 150$ Monster HDMI cable when he purchased his LCD TV. To show him that it was not worth it, i replaced it with a HQ 20$ gold plated Chinese made cable bough on eBay and the only very slight quality difference we could notice was in the audio. And that is because he have a HQ audio receiver and speakers. But that did not mater because he only use optical cables for audio. If you use the TV speakers you will hear virtually no difference; we tested it. With digital formats, the signal ether pass or break; there is no in between. If the cable is made according to standards the quality mostly depends on the hardware.

 

Sins the past 5 years, Chinese products have really improved in quality; even their cars. Now days, the only Chinese product i don't trust is their food.

 

I recommend you save on the cables and invest in better hardware.

 

It is recommended to use wired mouse and keyboard for fast action gaming. If you are in a situation where you have to click or press a key repetitively and very quickly, some wireless mouse and keyboard frequency is not fast enough to send all those clicks or key press. I had a problem in the last mission of GTA IV due to that. There are 2.4GHz wireless mouses and keyboard from Logitech, Microsoft and Razer that are suppose to be gaming grade. They must be expensive and i never tried any of them. On thing for sure is don't go below 2.4GHz if you go wireless.

Edited August 7, 2010 by Rachpoil

[mariu$]

Thanks for your reply

These 3 are not expensive and are branded.

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2

3

And about the USB will i get lag from a 10ft cable from belkin? For Keyboard and mouse

F3U134V10 or F3U134B10

[Rachpoil]

Wow, these are very good prices for the HDMI cables, at that prices it’s not worth going through the eBay hassle.

 

For the USB cable, I would go with the second one (F3U134B10) rated for 480MB/s USB 2.0. The first one (F3U134V10) seem to be for USB 1.0 because it supports only 12MB/s max. The max cable length for USB 2.0 is 5m (16ft). That includes the device cable length and the extension. If you need longer than that you can use USB hubs as relays.

 

[mariu$]

my mouse has a 2m cord

+3m from extension its on the edge of 2.0

U mean its going to be slow?

 

Newegg says the v10 has 2.0 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...2&Tpk=F3U134V10

and the -10 simple one is 1.1 http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-F3U134-10-Ext..._srch_res_rtr_1

and they're the same price please if you know the answer to the 1st question please tell me

Or is it safer to go with 1.0?

 

 

What about the HDMI, will i have any lag there?

 

Thanks and when we clarify this question there will soon be one more GTA 4 Multiplayer Player

[Rachpoil]

You should be OK even if you go a few inches over the 16ft limits. You will not get any lag related to the cable length as electricity travels almost at the speed of light.

 

The reason there are limits to any cable lengths is that cables act as resistance. The longer the cable is the weaker the strength of the signal is at the other end of the cable. If the signal gets to weak, the computer cannot make out what the device wants and it will not work properly or at all. This is where the quality of the cable comes into play. The less resistance a cable give, the longer it can be. But if you are only a few inches over the limit and your cable is standard or hight quality, i mould not worry.

 

As for the HDMI cable length, the limit can vary according to it's rated HDMI standard and the quality of the hardware connected to. There are no specified HDMI standards as fare as the length is concerned, but street wise, it is believed that HDMI standard 1.0 to 1.2 the limit is 15ft and 1.3/1.4 the limit is 35ft. I think those numbers are for standard quality cables so high quality cables could have a longer length without problems.

 

Digital equipments are more sensitive about the strength of signals so that is why (in general) they have a much, much shorter cable length limit than analogue device.

 

The USB cable model numbers and specification seem to vary depending on the store you visit. If you enlarge the product image, it sometimes show the 12Mb/s specification. But for what it's worth, i went to Belkins website and all F3U134XXXX serie cables seem to be USB 2.0.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[mariu$]

Sometimes at concerts or tvshows, the image on the screen is 1 second behind the reality, why is this happening?

And will i have lag in the usb cables?

 

Anyway i should take advantage of the sale and purchase them as fast as possible

[Rachpoil]

Yes, you should definitely take advantage of the USB and HDMI cables specials. For the USB cable, I would not worry as you are within the 5m limit. Belking is an OK brand but to be honest, I would go with this cable:

 

Amazon USB 2.0 10ft cable

 

It seems to be built better and it has gold plated connectors and is cheaper compared to the Belkin cable. Plus, you will be sure that it is USB 2.0; it is not totally clear what standard the Belkin cable is. I had issues with Belkin products in the pass and it is not my first choice when choosing products. But again, it would really surprise me if you have any issues with any of these cables and that more especially with the Amazon brand cable.

 

Regarding the problem you have with your TV delay, do you mean that the picture and sound are of by one second? A thing I noticed with my digital TV box receiver, the broad cast seem to be a few seconds behind the regular analogue broadcast for the same TV channel. If this is what you mean, it seems to be normal as long that your picture and sound are synchronized.

 

I don’t know why the digital broadcast is a bit behind the analogue one; it must depend from the TV service provider. It would be interesting to know why.

Edited August 10, 2010 by Rachpoil

[mariu$]

 

im going to order the mediabridge, menotek one belkin and one amazonbasics

i really hope i dont have any lags.

thanks a lot for your help

[Rachpoil]

Glad to have help.

 

With cables at those prices it is a good idea to try different brands and stock up at the same time.

 

I am positive that you will not have any lag or issues. Enjoy your new rig and GTA IV; you will not be disappointed.