New Computer Suggestions

[mariu$]

sHello all

Im trying to figure out a config that would run GTA4 at about 75-80% of its graphics at 1080p

had a 4870 xxx 1gb and i7 920 last year gta4 ran Excellent on it

Maybe now a year later i can get the same performance for less say less than 1000$ for a computer+monitor

 

Im guessing 1gb of vram is a must have.

 

Other games i plan to play: UT3 Farcry2 L4D2 COD, this should run on max

 

I also plan to find a good deal at dells outlet for example rather than build it myself not because its difficult but because it will create more problems than solutions, i mentioned my previous computer, well i made a list of 10things that were wrong with it including being unable to run Grid, Dirt(codemasters both) on any OS/Driver config i could think of

 

Or maybe is something new planned for the near future, cheap and powerful? like more powerful nvidia ion?

 

Thanks for your help

[mariu$]

how will a GTS 240 1GB or 5670 1GB work

and a i5- 650/750 ?

[yoječ]

You might get OK performance, but it'll be nowhere as good as i7 920 + 4870. Also GTS240/5670 will hold back the CPU a lot, they are too slow. Noticeably slower than 4870.

Mind you, any rig with monitor for $1000 will be nowhere as good. Prices didn't really drop down that much yet.

Edited August 1, 2010 by yojo2

[Ultraman1966]

I'm confused, you have an i7 with 4870 but you wanna upgrade?

 

Can you rephrase your original post?

 

Building your own PC is simple and if you've done it before then it gets simpler with each year. Be glad that since XP there's been auto driver support (anyone who's used Win 98 or older knows what I mean).

[mariu$]

I sold it and bought a Notebook.

Sometimes it started properly, sometimes it wouldnt because it beeped that the videocard wasnt in but it was

i tried the different port, nothing helped.

it was a asus board so it was reliable.

There were lots of problems, one day i woke up and all my games were gone. The program files were gone

I had an antivirus and noone touched my computer.

I dont want to remember the rest

 

I just dont want to repeat that experience.

 

I found that there are lots of Dell XPS 8100 on ebay, i5-650, 6gb ddr3 or a i5-750.

and i can upgrade the card to 5770, how will this compare to that i7/4870 1gb?

or i can change the psu and the card to a 5850 but thats expensive.

Edited August 1, 2010 by mariu$

[yoječ]

i5-750 is slower than i7 920, 5700 is comparable to 4870. In conclusion, it'll perform worse.

[mariu$]

its probably going to be this:

i7-860(2.8G/8M)

6GB DDR3

GTS 240 DDR3 1GB for now.

750GB

for 725$

i know the 240 is nowhere near the 5770 but what can i expect from it?

i read some reviews but what is your opinion?

[yoječ]

Change CPU to Xeon X3440, choose 4GBs of RAM and get better GPU (that's if you're buying components separately). You'll get much better balanced PC, thus faster.

[Terminator56]

You should at least get a GTX 460 they seem to be really reliable cards and should run GTA IV decently. There also only around $200.

[mariu$]

lets see about it tomorrow

[Ultraman1966]

Change CPU to Xeon X3440, choose 4GBs of RAM and get better GPU (that's if you're buying components separately). You'll get much better balanced PC, thus faster.

Why would he want a Xeon? He's not running a server...

 

Also, bear in mind that Dell usually don't build their PCs to be upgradable. I've actually seen ones where certain components are glued together so I were you I'd do some research first!

[yoječ]

Why would he want a Xeon? He's not running a server...

Because it's basically a i7 860 with lowered multipler and price, and it overclocks similarly. It's just better deal for the money.

[mariu$]

Thanks for the opinions, i have read 2 threads with owners of the Dell SXPS 8100 and the changed the videocard to the 5770 with a 350W PSU, and it works flawlessly.

I dont really have a choice for xenon, they dont offer it but ill do some research maybe some other upgradeable computer offers it.

[yoječ]

Just one thing... If you consider having pre-built PC and immediately upgrading it, why don't you just buy components separately and build it on your own? That makes more sense.

[mariu$]

As i said, its safer this way

But if i cant find a way to get it shipped to europe ill have to build it piece by piece, as much as i hate it , itll be waaaaay cheaper.

[viometrix]

Dell is crap for gaming, and most anything else these days. you = total lack of common sense, and seem like you are trolling. in the last year i have built over 300 pcs with my hands, not a single problem.

[mariu$]

300pcs with absolutely 0 mistakes? thats just impossible

go troll in another place

[Spider-Vice]

In ONE year, not ONE WEEK. viometrix works as a PC technician so it's normal.

[mariu$]

After a bit more Configuring i realised that its cheaper(with its downsides) significantly to build it from scratch, so ill take my chances, il have a lot more experience this time.

For those interested:

 

Intel i5-750

Asus P7H55-M Pro Cheap as f*ck, and its asus with 3 year warranty so its Reliable

Corsair 4GB Dominator

Ati 5770 1GB DDR5

WD HDD 640GB

Thermaltake 600W

Thermaltake M5 Case

Itll cost me 815$

 

Im really desperately trying to get it to 700$ and have no idea how.

[OverTheBelow]

get a 500-550w power pack, but thats getting close to the bare minimum power. get a cheap 500gb hard drive too and it will be a tad cheaper.

[viometrix]

In ONE year, not ONE WEEK. viometrix works as a PC technician so it's normal. marius id love to help you but i am a whole saler and people only save money in volume with me. but where are you? i can help price out a better build maybe slightly closer to what you need.

lol man i own the company, have for 25 years. but yes this year i have over 300 builds (i enjoy working with my techs as i am one myself) with no problems whatsoever, barring defective parts.

[OverTheBelow]

In ONE year, not ONE WEEK. viometrix works as a PC technician so it's normal. marius id love to help you but i am a whole saler and people only save money in volume with me. but where are you? i can help price out a better build maybe slightly closer to what you need.

lol man i own the company, have for 25 years. but yes this year i have over 300 builds (i enjoy working with my techs as i am one myself) with no problems whatsoever, barring defective parts.

Makes me wonder why you still have a Core 2.

[viometrix]

In ONE year, not ONE WEEK. viometrix works as a PC technician so it's normal. marius id love to help you but i am a whole saler and people only save money in volume with me. but where are you? i can help price out a better build maybe slightly closer to what you need.

lol man i own the company, have for 25 years. but yes this year i have over 300 builds (i enjoy working with my techs as i am one myself) with no problems whatsoever, barring defective parts.

Makes me wonder why you still have a Core 2.

i have 9 computers at home, this is just what i game on. i have a 980-gx i7 system, but it has more important things to do. and the economy being what it is, i am not putting my profits into a new toy when i just dont know whats going to happen tomorow. once i start hiring new employees, ill be game for a new gaming rig to the extreme.

[Ultraman1966]

That Quad is a beast clocked at those speeds, he'd be an idiot to change to an i core when there'll be little to gain except perhaps for less power usage.

 

The only disadvantage to building your own is that you may have bought incompatible components but that's very rare these days. The benefits far outweigh any other negatives as far as I'm concerned.

[Brawly]

 

i5-750 is slower than i7 920, 5700 is comparable to 4870. In conclusion, it'll perform worse.

i5 750 is a very fast cpu, and in games you won't see a big difference with the i7's.

 

i5 750 is a perfect cpu you can overclock it easy and it will be just as fast as an i7 minus the hyper threading but GTA doesnt use hyperthreading so go with an i5. Trust me don't waste your money on an i7 if all you are going to do is gaming. Unless you can afford it.

 

The GPU I would go for a GTX 460 its a beast and its cheap, the ATI 5000 cards have had alot of stuttering issues but if you don't mind that then go for it.

Edited August 3, 2010 by Brawly

[yoječ]

i7 has slightly different architecture than i5 (e. g. it uses triple memory channel - the LGA1366 ones - and has HT). I can aggree it's not such big difference in apps using up to 4 cores, but the hard fact is that i5's slower than i7.

 

If one's building gaming rig just for GTAIV, then it's perfectly OK to have i5 since this game uses only 3-4 cores (can't remember now). But in the newer games it's more and more common to use more than 4 cores. IMHO buying a PC for a few years w/o upgrading and not getting 8-thread CPU is quite a mistake, but oh well. That's just my opinion.

 

And GTX460 1GB seems to be a card with the best value/price ratio on market today. The 768MB one is noticeably slower.

[Ultraman1966]

i5-750 is slower than i7 920, 5700 is comparable to 4870. In conclusion, it'll perform worse.

i5 750 is a very fast cpu, and in games you won't see a big difference with the i7's.

 

i5 750 is a perfect cpu you can overclock it easy and it will be just as fast as an i7 minus the hyper threading but GTA doesnt use hyperthreading so go with an i5. Trust me don't waste your money on an i7 if all you are going to do is gaming. Unless you can afford it.

 

The GPU I would go for a GTX 460 its a beast and its cheap, the ATI 5000 cards have had alot of stuttering issues but if you don't mind that then go for it.

Hold on mate, the stuttering problems are probably more related to crossfire than the single cards (I'm using 5850 and only BC2 has issues with stuttering but that's known to happen on ALL GPUs).

 

Also, the 768MB GTX460 is only noticeably slower than the 1GB when you start to crank up the resolution (past 1680x1050) but obviously for a long term investment it's best to go for more VRAM (as well as slightly larger mem bandwidth).

[Anasterian]

That Quad is a beast clocked at those speeds, he'd be an idiot to change to an i core when there'll be little to gain except perhaps for less power usage.

 

The only disadvantage to building your own is that you may have bought incompatible components but that's very rare these days. The benefits far outweigh any other negatives as far as I'm concerned.

Haha, right, if i had a quad clocked to 4.4 GHz i wouldnt change it too soon. I mean, its fast enough.

And as he said, sometimes a new gaming rig is not the most important thing to buy.

[mariu$]

Intel i5-750 -- 187$

Asus P7H55-M Pro Cheap as f*ck, and its asus with 3 year warranty -- 100$

4Gb DDR3 , G.SKILL Ripjaws F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL , 2x2Gb Dual Channel Kit , 1600MHz CL9 - 115$

Ati 5770 1GB DDR5 166$

WD HDD 500GB 50$

Thermaltake W0102R 550W 65$

Thermaltake M5 Case 63$

thats probably it

[anus]

So you're building it yourself? You in the US? Budget still $1000?

 

I can try and put together a better build if you're interested.