Gareth Alan Willmer Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Apparently hes been attacked twice at the prison and its all over sky news. http://news.sky.com/skynews/Article/201007115674007 They should now bring up his full history in the court and they should also address huge concerns as to what he will use the £100,000 to do. He might try to buy his way out. That monster should even be given the chance to sue nor be given even a penny. How can a monster and a cretin of the highest proportions be able to sue a prison board. I know this will cause more anger amoung many people. Im pissed of enough this scumbag is near my home town but now this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOSEPH X Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Sky news pushing all your hysteria buttons then? Sorry, but if you think IH can buy his way out of jail then you can't be a full shilling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brown Sugar Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 wasn't this the guy thats was also suing 2 fellow prisoners after he claimed they ruffed him up when they caught him stealing a motorbike or something, that could be a different story though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinski Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Everybody has the right to not be attacked and have their throat slit open. This guy is a scumbag, a monster some would say, he is despicable. But he is still human and therefore has rights, one of which is the right to life and safety which is supposed to be ensured by the Prison service when you are in their custody. They failed to ensure this, they were at fault, therefore they should be liable. I don't like the guy, I despise him, I would toy with the idea that the world would be a better place had this inmate had finished him off but everyone is to be treated fairly in the eyes of the law. When you change the law for one person because of his circumstances and/or background the whole system is a farce and would not command any respect. I'm glad he is able to bring a case. I hope he loses his case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Alan Willmer Posted July 31, 2010 Author Share Posted July 31, 2010 (edited) Everybody has the right to not be attacked and have their throat slit open. This guy is a scumbag, a monster some would say, he is despicable. But he is still human and therefore has rights, one of which is the right to life and safety which is supposed to be ensured by the Prison service when you are in their custody. They failed to ensure this, they were at fault, therefore they should be liable. I don't like the guy, I despise him, I would toy with the idea that the world would be a better place had this inmate had finished him off but everyone is to be treated fairly in the eyes of the law. When you change the law for one person because of his circumstances and/or background the whole system is a farce and would not command any respect. I'm glad he is able to bring a case. I hope he loses his case. Try saying that to the famly of those two girls. Im sorry there are a lot of scumbags out there but Huntley excedded that to the point where he doesnt deserve rights nor should anyone even care or even bring any case for the fact that other people tried to do him in. A monster like that in a minor prison compared to the rest in the uk shouldnt suprise anyone that people tried to do him in. You dont need me to tell you that he shouldnt even be given a single penny. Just how is it a cretiounos piece of human garbage like that is allowed to sue a prison. They should find a legal way to give him a harsher penalty somehow like confinment for the rest of his life for demonstrating utter ignorance by sueing a prison board after what hes done. Scumbag deserves no rights and the circumstances in any case should be enough to send him back pennyless. If you think im dramatic why not go listen to the publics reaction. Edited July 31, 2010 by Gareth Alan Willmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolyGrenadeFrenzy Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 (edited) Sky news pushing all your hysteria buttons then? Sorry, but if you think IH can buy his way out of jail then you can't be a full shilling. This. And...to the OP yet for the prisoner, the following. Welcome to prison! Things are like that here! At last!...You're not f*cking special and you'll get picked over by the rest of your kind just dandy! If they too despise you then whoa it is to be you. Nice attempt at the hustle, though. Did you get another inmate to assist you or is this just another method to take advantage, after the fact? Edited July 31, 2010 by HolyGrenadeFrenzy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhus Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 He is a sick animal. And because of that I feel sorry for him. He has tastes that no other person (Myself included) can understand. He feels sane, he feels like it's perfectly acceptable to do what he did. That's his orientation, he likes kids. No different from folks who like members of their own gender. It's a sexual orientation. But unlike homosexuality, it is an orientation which hurts people. It hurts a great many people. And so, as a civilised society, we cannot allow them to live. I don't think we should start lynch mobs or anything. But like I said, they are sick. And, for lack of a better term, they need to be put down. Surely they'd appreciate it? Being freed from a world in which they can never be allowed to follow their urges? Because if they do, it makes them a monster. I pity men like Ian Huntley, because they are so similar to those dogs with rabies. Just dumb animals. And the greatest mercy you can give such an animal is a bullet between the eyes. Just set them free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Everybody has the right to not be attacked and have their throat slit open. That's the problem with today's justice system. They focus more on the rights of the accused and convicted rather than the victim. Honestly, if you commit a crime that heinous (murdering two children), you shouldn't even have rights when you step into the prison. Personally, they should have just taken him out back and shot him right in the head - end of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Alan Willmer Posted July 31, 2010 Author Share Posted July 31, 2010 Sky news pushing all your hysteria buttons then? Sorry, but if you think IH can buy his way out of jail then you can't be a full shilling. This. And...to the OP yet for the prisoner, the following. Welcome to prison! Things are like that here! At last!...Your not f*cking special and you'll get picked over by the rest of your kind just dandy! If they too despise you then whoa it is to be you. Nice attempt at the hustle, though. Did you get another inmate to assist you or is this just another method to take advantage, after the fact? Lmfao are you for real Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolyGrenadeFrenzy Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 (edited) Sky news pushing all your hysteria buttons then? Sorry, but if you think IH can buy his way out of jail then you can't be a full shilling. This. And...to the OP yet for the prisoner, the following. Welcome to prison! Things are like that here! At last!...You're not f*cking special and you'll get picked over by the rest of your kind just dandy! If they too despise you then whoa it is to be you. Nice attempt at the hustle, though. Did you get another inmate to assist you or is this just another method to take advantage, after the fact? Lmfao are you for real Well, I am not in prison, if that is what you are asking. What is for real is the exclamation because that is simply prison life and that is all there is to it. The questions by spoiler are directed at Ian. Yes, I mean every word. There is no con like a prison con and you would be surprised how far it goes on the grift. I am completely serious on this serial matter! The only trouble I see with people like Ian dying in prison is that it is done too quickly....that's right.....too quickly. Some people just don't suffer enough. Offenders to children do deserve special treatment just not the type of "special treatment" they believe they deserve. I suppose that I could be judged as unforgiving and vindictive to some extent. I hope recovery has been a total drag for Ian. I too hope he looses his case. Edited July 31, 2010 by HolyGrenadeFrenzy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kapone Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Everybody has the right to not be attacked and have their throat slit open. That's the problem with today's justice system. They focus more on the rights of the accused and convicted rather than the victim. Honestly, if you commit a crime that heinous (murdering two children), you shouldn't even have rights when you step into the prison. Personally, they should have just taken him out back and shot him right in the head - end of story. Yea, so when your girlfriend (hypothetically speaking) goes and kills her brother, who has a history of being an aggressive guy and has even hit your girlfriend a few times during their "sibling-rivalry" fights, you'd completely agree with the state taking her out back and shooting her right in the head. You can't say that killing two children and killing a brother is two different scenarios to consider, because then you'd be focusing on the rights of the two kids over the hypothetical asshole brother. Besides, I understand where you're coming from on crimes committed against children but there's nothing to say the children are inherently angels themselves. They can always grow up to be homicidal maniacs too - their opportunity was simply cut short by another psychopath. What makes them so special that we need to go shoot said psychopath out back, in the head? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy-Vercetti19 Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 (edited) Everybody has the right to not be attacked and have their throat slit open. This guy is a scumbag, a monster some would say, he is despicable. But he is still human and therefore has rights, one of which is the right to life and safety which is supposed to be ensured by the Prison service when you are in their custody. They failed to ensure this, they were at fault, therefore they should be liable. I don't like the guy, I despise him, I would toy with the idea that the world would be a better place had this inmate had finished him off but everyone is to be treated fairly in the eyes of the law. When you change the law for one person because of his circumstances and/or background the whole system is a farce and would not command any respect. I'm glad he is able to bring a case. I hope he loses his case. This. Is you change the law for one person, your changing it for everybody. Imo i hope he looses badly. Kapone: That's also true. Murder of James Bulger Edited July 31, 2010 by Tommy-Vercetti19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Everybody has the right to not be attacked and have their throat slit open. That's the problem with today's justice system. They focus more on the rights of the accused and convicted rather than the victim. Honestly, if you commit a crime that heinous (murdering two children), you shouldn't even have rights when you step into the prison. Personally, they should have just taken him out back and shot him right in the head - end of story. Yea, so when your girlfriend (hypothetically speaking) goes and kills her brother, who has a history of being an aggressive guy and has even hit your girlfriend a few times during their "sibling-rivalry" fights, you'd completely agree with the state taking her out back and shooting her right in the head. You can't say that killing two children and killing a brother is two different scenarios to consider, because then you'd be focusing on the rights of the two kids over the hypothetical asshole brother. Besides, I understand where you're coming from on crimes committed against children but there's nothing to say the children are inherently angels themselves. They can always grow up to be homicidal maniacs too - their opportunity was simply cut short by another psychopath. What makes them so special that we need to go shoot said psychopath out back, in the head? You got me there. Honestly, if it was up to me, I'd just have everyone who committed first-degree (or second-degree) murder killed, because why should my tax dollars be paying for them to live in jail when I can, indirectly, pay for the single bullet that can be put into their head. I guess I'm just sadistic and hate the justice system in Canada because we put the rights of the offender first before those of the victim and it angers me so much. Granted, if you had children killing children, you can't exactly have a child put to death (because it would violate so many international laws) and like you said, what about someone who is being abused and suddenly snaps? There would have to be exceptions, but then you would end up with so many exceptions that you might as well just put them all in jail and sort it out over the decades (like we do now). Yeah, I just want on a non-sensical tangent, but I guess the only real point I wanted to make is that it seems nowadays, the offender gets preferential treatment over the victim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolyGrenadeFrenzy Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 @Icarus.> I blame the rope shortage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Alan Willmer Posted August 1, 2010 Author Share Posted August 1, 2010 @Icarus.> I blame the rope shortage. Hopefully the law will be extended to allow the rope to return if there are exceptional circumstances surronding a case and as long as there is hard evidence to prove the accused guilty beyond resonable doubht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolyGrenadeFrenzy Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 (edited) @Icarus.> I blame the rope shortage. Hopefully the law will be extended to allow the rope to return if there are exceptional circumstances surronding a case and as long as there is hard evidence to prove the accused guilty beyond resonable doubht Yes.... This is why a jury of your peers is so vital. Yet, this too has it's difficulties. Who are your peers? The democratic approach is a complete failure. Of course, this seems turned on its head upon appearance unless you understand the bottom line of the up close and personal place to the with the survivors I'm siding with in this hypothetical model. How can you know for sure? When we are sure and the system fails or turns on the those damaged, then what? What about the cases known personally, such that you see the results of the damage daily or weekly or at all? -------------------------- The opposite of the Ian Huntley story is out there too, you realize? Yeah, the many victims and survivors whom get shot down reporting and the predator strives on in the public eye and it is constantly in the face of the survivor. Not just public figures or celebrities but even the loss in a courtroom is tragic.......and common. So too, in direct conflict with this approach, of the innocent people accused of crime that are convicted of the crime anyway. This leaves an even worse scenario and eventually there are certain questions that need to be asked by the public. Why is it that it is easier to convince a jury that an innocent person is guilty than it is to convince the same jury that a guilty person is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt? (Consider this carefully) ----------------------- Besides, you can know for a fact or even witness a tragedy and it doesn't matter because the criminal is protected more than the rest of the public ever is........until they find their place in the prison society. Full circle now we are and to say that Ian found his place within prison society seems rather point. I know it seems cold to some but it is just as hot blooded in the other direction too. Some times the public need relieved of certain predators all together, instead of locking them up in a zoo to look at. Some zoos are a jungle and thus follow the rules of the jungle too. What is so wrong about saying that some people are reprobate, and that is that? I bet the number that is reprobate is larger than we realize as individuals or as societies yet not as large as some people would have you believe, either. ------------------- There are a lot of factors that allow for injustice to win out. This particular case we are writing about is only a sad twisted account of the regular business of the failing justice system. Reasonable doubt is an interesting dilemma at times, to say the least. ------------------ "." & backup The return of the rope should be receive precedence through the highest quality of rope, so that it could be reused and to avoid waste, hemp rope should suffice rather well. You see....The answers to the worlds problems really is hemp. Not just for food, clothes, entertainments of various kinds but also in the more important areas such as paper for books, rope, a proper replacement for oil and the like. Edited August 2, 2010 by HolyGrenadeFrenzy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Alan Willmer Posted August 1, 2010 Author Share Posted August 1, 2010 Still hes allowed to sue for £100,000 which doesnt explain how he is even able to. A serious monster is what he is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhus Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 Still hes allowed to sue for £100,000 which doesnt explain how he is even able to. A serious monster is what he is Can a monster change what he is? Is his fundemental nature something we would consider evil? If so, I have to ask: Who does it benefit to keep him alive? Whilst alive he continues to be monstrous, his every breath an affront to his victims who did so he could live out his sick fantasies. But dead, he can no longer put himself in the limelight, he can no longer play the victim, he can no longer cause suffering through his very existence. Killing people like him is the best plan in the long run. Best for him, best for society, best for justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Alan Willmer Posted August 2, 2010 Author Share Posted August 2, 2010 Still hes allowed to sue for £100,000 which doesnt explain how he is even able to. A serious monster is what he is Can a monster change what he is? Is his fundemental nature something we would consider evil? If so, I have to ask: Who does it benefit to keep him alive? Whilst alive he continues to be monstrous, his every breath an affront to his victims who did so he could live out his sick fantasies. But dead, he can no longer put himself in the limelight, he can no longer play the victim, he can no longer cause suffering through his very existence. Killing people like him is the best plan in the long run. Best for him, best for society, best for justice. Funny how not one goverment representitve authorised any legal way to give him a severely harsher sentance than just prison. His victims didnt do anything to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shylock Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 Do you guys even still execute people? I thought you guys jumped ship on doing whats right years ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolyGrenadeFrenzy Posted August 3, 2010 Share Posted August 3, 2010 (edited) Do you guys even still execute people? I thought you guys jumped ship on doing whats right years ago... I do believe we have moved to Personal Sentiments at this time, Skylock. Going into what is allowed by law or even what is commonly excepted as rational or even what is PC has been left back at the office.... We are at what you say over your own coffee table for now. The trouble is that having such feelings about things is normal at the personal level yet when we go to put things into practice we find a whole plethora of unexpected things come flooding in. It really doesn't help the average person that nearly 10% of those convicted are later heavily considered, if not proven outright, as innocent of the charges against them. Hell, most of us have met or known people busted on bogus charges at one time or another. The hard fact that angers most people tends to be two things here. The innocent take heat meant for the guilty. The guilty exploit the system toward further predation of one kind or another. Disclaimer: These are just a few of the things to observe in this all of course and my opinion shrouds this as well. Edited August 3, 2010 by HolyGrenadeFrenzy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Alan Willmer Posted August 3, 2010 Author Share Posted August 3, 2010 Do you guys even still execute people? I thought you guys jumped ship on doing whats right years ago... Yes we did jump ship. Sadly we are to easy on murdering raping cretins The law in this country is a massive joke now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 Do you guys even still execute people? I thought you guys jumped ship on doing whats right years ago... Yes we did jump ship. Sadly we are to easy on murdering raping cretins The law in this country is a massive joke now Its been a joke for a very long time in my opinion. @Topic - I find it hilarious that this country has actually become a place where such people can make an impact like this, or even having such power to waste tax payers money on sh*t like this. Personally, I'm quite glad someone nearly killed him while in prison - one less murder to have to pay for. I'd be baffled if this even got considered to go any further in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 If i was incharge of the country i would round up all the murderers, paedos, rapists etc and organise some form of bloodfilled olympics that is aired on TV as a special PPV event (The money raised would all go towards helping the country out). The prison's 100m sprint would be well worth watching after the introduction of lions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Alan Willmer Posted August 4, 2010 Author Share Posted August 4, 2010 If i was incharge of the country i would round up all the murderers, paedos, rapists etc and organise some form of bloodfilled olympics that is aired on TV as a special PPV event (The money raised would all go towards helping the country out). The prison's 100m sprint would be well worth watching after the introduction of lions. Lions lmfao thats too much youve cracked me up. How much do you think it would raise lmfao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kapone Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 If i was incharge of the country i would round up all the murderers, paedos, rapists etc and organise some form of bloodfilled olympics that is aired on TV as a special PPV event (The money raised would all go towards helping the country out). The prison's 100m sprint would be well worth watching after the introduction of lions. Lions lmfao thats too much youve cracked me up. How much do you think it would raise lmfao Idk lmfao probably a couple million bucks lmfao lmfao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyzoot Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 If i was incharge of the country i would round up all the murderers, paedos, rapists etc and organise some form of bloodfilled olympics that is aired on TV as a special PPV event (The money raised would all go towards helping the country out). The prison's 100m sprint would be well worth watching after the introduction of lions. Lions lmfao thats too much youve cracked me up. How much do you think it would raise lmfao Idk lmfao probably a couple million bucks lmfao lmfao lmfao! With that money we can save the country plus have some left over for free jelly and ice cream for everybody lmfao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machiavelli's Prophecy Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 If i was incharge of the country i would round up all the murderers, paedos, rapists etc and organise some form of bloodfilled olympics that is aired on TV as a special PPV event (The money raised would all go towards helping the country out). The prison's 100m sprint would be well worth watching after the introduction of lions. Lions lmfao thats too much youve cracked me up. How much do you think it would raise lmfao Idk lmfao probably a couple million bucks lmfao lmfao lmfao! With that money we can save the country plus have some left over for free jelly and ice cream for everybody lmfao That's alot of Lmfao's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minus the Boom Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 If i was incharge of the country i would round up all the murderers, paedos, rapists etc and organise some form of bloodfilled olympics that is aired on TV as a special PPV event (The money raised would all go towards helping the country out). The prison's 100m sprint would be well worth watching after the introduction of lions. Lions lmfao thats too much youve cracked me up. How much do you think it would raise lmfao Idk lmfao probably a couple million bucks lmfao lmfao lmfao! With that money we can save the country plus have some left over for free jelly and ice cream for everybody lmfao That's alot of Lmfao's Thanks for pointing out the joke, I didn't quite get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolyGrenadeFrenzy Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 (edited) If i was incharge of the country i would round up all the murderers, paedos, rapists etc and organise some form of bloodfilled olympics that is aired on TV as a special PPV event (The money raised would all go towards helping the country out). The prison's 100m sprint would be well worth watching after the introduction of lions. Lions lmfao thats too much youve cracked me up. How much do you think it would raise lmfao Idk lmfao probably a couple million bucks lmfao lmfao lmfao! With that money we can save the country plus have some left over for free jelly and ice cream for everybody lmfao That's alot of Lmfao's Thanks for pointing out the joke, I didn't quite get it. Yeah, well, imfao I would like to lmfao except looking at you all makes me want to pabimfh. idmafwoi ------edit OT---- OK, here comes the serious question. Is someone going to kill that low life so that we can have some happy news or is it going to be more of the same old drab on how the scum can undermine society and get more out of the public because he can't defend himself from his own kind and unless it is someone extremely weaker, like a child, he gets beat down and f*cking wines about it? Just saying. How pathetic. Edited August 5, 2010 by HolyGrenadeFrenzy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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