What is the game that you hated...

[baptiste]

That's where your wrong. Its not fallout 2 V2. So anything where your reffering to any kind of deep RPG element or comparing to fallout 2 is misinformed, as thats not what they were going for.

Exactly. It's Oblivion V2 instead. It's not what they were going for because the only thing Bethesda knows how to do anymore are First-Person games with badly-balanced RPG elements.

 

What they should have been going for is a Fallout sequel, not an Oblivion sequel in a different setting.

 

This is why I hate Fallout 3.

Which is why I said you missed the point. It should never have been tooken as a direct sequel, they pretty much said this when they started developping.

 

Perhaps you could have enjoyed it if you wernt so dissapointed with it not being exactly like Fallout 2. It was never supposed to be a fallout 2 prequel, they did something different.

[Reconite]

Which is why I said you missed the point. It should never have been tooken as a direct sequel, they pretty much said this when they started developping.

 

Perhaps you could have enjoyed it if you wernt so dissapointed with it not being exactly like Fallout 2. It was never supposed to be a fallout 2 prequel, they did something different.

If it was meant to be a reboot they would have called it "Fallout". It's regarded as a sequel because that's what it, unfortunately, is. And Fallout 3 is set after Fallout 2 so it wouldn't have been a prequel anyway, yet somehow Bethesda managed to make everyone in Fallout 3 a caveman whilst Vault City, NCR and San Francisco grow on the west coast.

[baptiste]

Which is why I said you missed the point. It should never have been tooken as a direct sequel, they pretty much said this when they started developping.

 

Perhaps you could have enjoyed it if you wernt so dissapointed with it not being exactly like Fallout 2. It was never supposed to be a fallout 2 prequel, they did something different.

If it was meant to be a reboot they would have called it "Fallout". It's regarded as a sequel because that's what it, unfortunately, is. And Fallout 3 is set after Fallout 2 so it wouldn't have been a prequel anyway, yet somehow Bethesda managed to make everyone in Fallout 3 a caveman whilst Vault City, NCR and San Francisco grow on the west coast.

They said when they started development that it wouldnt be a F2 copy with recent graphics and a diffferent storyline. They said it.

Not sure why your bickering as to the precense of the 3, being a sequel doesnt automatically mean it has to be the same.

[Reconite]

Why do you seem to think I would have wanted Van Buren to be the same as Fallout 2 but with better graphics? That's a stupid idea. Van Buren was going to incorporate several new ideas whilst keeping the same gameplay style. Bethesda are just too lazy to make any game which isn't First-Person.

[baptiste]

Why do you seem to think I would have wanted Van Buren to be the same as Fallout 2 but with better graphics? That's a stupid idea. Van Buren was going to incorporate several new ideas whilst keeping the same gameplay style. Bethesda are just too lazy to make any game which isn't First-Person.

So, top-down then?

[Sunrise Driver]

Mass Effect, Mass Efffect 2 (boring TPSs). Still fail to see what so good in it besides the story.

Halo games, Gears of War games, Killzone games, God of War games, (pointless games with only shooting and killing).

[Reconite]

So, top-down then?

Isometric view, yes. I don't see the problem with that, seeing as it was meant to be a sequel to an isometric game.

 

Why change a formula that's proven to work? Because they were too lazy to do something different from their usual genre.

[Cojage]

For me also the Mass Effect games. Well it's just not for me I guess, half the time I had no idea where to go or what to do and the action was very mediocre, just like the storyline. It tried too hard to be a fallout but failed. I don't exactly think it's a terrible game but I don't see why they were so popular.

[SLAYERMAGGOT]

I haven't played Mass Effect so i can't say anything about it, but i have played Mass Effect 2 and i really hated this game, another game which i really don't like but a lot people do is the famous World of Warcraft.

[Carnage1120]

People who say Halo is overrated have never played it, the fail to list the negatives and positives like the level editor, the replay viewer, 4 player co op, splitscreen online and exceeds every other console FPS.

 

What I am saying is that you can't like Timesplitters or Perfect Dark and hate Halo, that just makes you a hypocrite then.

[Creed Bratton]

People who say Halo is overrated have never played it, the fail to list the negatives and positives like the level editor, the replay viewer, 4 player co op, splitscreen online and exceeds every other console FPS.

 

What I am saying is that you can't like Timesplitters or Perfect Dark and hate Halo, that just makes you a hypocrite then.

PC gamers such as myself mostly hate Halo. And if you were a PC gamer you would understand why Halo is a bad game hyped to insanity.

[The-King]

People who say Halo is overrated have never played it, the fail to list the negatives and positives like the level editor, the replay viewer, 4 player co op, splitscreen online and exceeds every other console FPS.

 

What I am saying is that you can't like Timesplitters or Perfect Dark and hate Halo, that just makes you a hypocrite then.

PC gamers such as myself mostly hate Halo. And if you were a PC gamer you would understand why Halo is a bad game hyped to insanity.

I'm a PC gamer and I love Halo so your point is invalid.

 

Please, do tell, what makes it a bad game and quit skirting the issue, it makes you look like an idiot. Right now it just seems your riding the bandwagon of baseless Halo hate.

[Reconite]

 

People who say Halo is overrated have never played it, the fail to list the negatives and positives like the level editor, the replay viewer, 4 player co op, splitscreen online and exceeds every other console FPS.

 

What I am saying is that you can't like Timesplitters or Perfect Dark and hate Halo, that just makes you a hypocrite then.

Nah, Halo is definitely one overrated series. Look at it - regenerating shields, generic space marine setting, Halo 2 felt unfinished and rushed, Halo 3 has a generally bad online community. Halo 3 is a game that requires no skill to play and win, but that doesn't mean skilled people don't play it.

 

TimeSplitters: Future Perfect was the pinaccle of console First-Person Shooters to me, and I've never really been a fan of console FPS games, due to lack of mouse support of course. Goldeneye, Perfect Dark and the TimeSplitters series were all by several of the same people (from Rare to Free Radical, now some are at Crytek UK where they brought out... Haze). Another two honourable mentions for good console FPS games are Turok: Dinosaur Hunter and Turok 2: Seeds of Evil on the N64 (which were later ported to PC, though I played them on N64).

 

All but one of two of the pros you listed about Halo as a console FPS also exist in the TimeSplitters series. Besides, map-making programs have been around on PCs since the 90's, and before Halo with the TimeSplitters games' mapmaker (it also improved with every instalment in the series), which is more than just a level editor. People really overrate how innovative the Forge mode is in Halo, it's been done before and better. Next thing you know people will be saying Halo: Reach invented the idea of using jetpacks in FPS games. Even though Duke Nukem 3D and the Tribes series were there way before.

Edited July 29, 2010 by Reconite

[Robinski]

My main reasons for not enjoying Halo 3 (I enjoyed the sh*t out of the first two at the time) are:

 

• The weapon variety just doesn't hold up to that of other games now. There's typically two of each weapon: one which fires a brightly coloured flash of light and one that goes boom. I'll concede that there was a lot of improvement here in 3 with stuff like the handheld shotgun and others.

 

• Maps were too simple (MP, of course). It never felt like there was enough going on in the maps, just open rooms and massive open spaces. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, it just doesn't gel with my FPS play style any more.

 

• The addition of "equipment" tried to add in a tactical layer to a game that simply isn't tactical. I feel like this was just completely out of place and didn't really fit too well in with the game. And I'll be damned if I didn't always drop equipment when trying to reload thanks to FPS conditioning that reload is always a face button.

 

• There is too much reliance on skill, or luck rather, in the game. I know I'll get a lot of stick for this but having fun>being good. If you suck at Halo, chances are you'll never go on a lucky run because the good players will always beat the bad players. If you suck at Halo chances are you will always suck e.g. you can't get better at scoring 4 burst BR kills because you can't get your hands on a BR or are constantly being killed from a mile away by a 4 burst BR kill.

 

• It's simply boring to me, as the MP is pretty much a copy/paste job from the last game with a few new features, most of which I've listed above.

 

I will concede though that the Halo franchise has been revolutionary for online console gaming. The matchmaking system, while not eh first permutation of it, was implemented flawlessly in Halo 2 and set a model for competitive console gaming online, and not just for FPSs. Also, the Theatre thing from H3 is possibly the best addition to any online MP game ever, and needs to be made a mandatory feature in every game ever.

 

Just as a side note, I'm very open minded and can 9 times out of ten respect other people's opinions and see where they are coming from. I try to be respectful and understanding of others' viewpoints but, Mass Effect haters I'd really love some of whatever it is you're huffing.

Edited July 29, 2010 by Robinski

[baptiste]

Halo 3 is a game that requires no skill to play and win, but that doesn't mean skilled people don't play it.

 

Everything you ever said, has been nullified by this.

 

Everything. Nullified.

[TheBlackProject]

 

TimeSplitters: Future Perfect was the pinaccle of console First-Person Shooters to me, and I've never really been a fan of console FPS games, due to lack of mouse support of course. Goldeneye, Perfect Dark and the TimeSplitters series were all by several of the same people (from Rare to Free Radical, now some are at Crytek UK where they brought out... Haze). Another two honourable mentions for good console FPS games are Turok: Dinosaur Hunter and Turok 2: Seeds of Evil on the N64 (which were later ported to PC, though I played them on N64).

Yes, me too. I had one of those Jampack PS2 demo discs and it contained TimeSplitters 2 in it. I played it and it was so fun, it was one of the FPS games that were good, in which some don't exist today. It was realistic, and wasn't biased (you know, making Russians look like sh*t all the time). It was a little bit like Splinter Cell, where you're trying to save something, so an event doesn't happen. Except, this game was set in the past and in the future. I love how it contained a 30's Chicago and a 2020 Tokyo, it had all styles of cities in the game depending on the year and location. There is a TimeSplitters 4 that was announced a long time ago, but I doubt they're even working on it. I hope they release it by next year, as I am really looking forward to this series.

[The-King]

 

Halo 3 is a game that requires no skill to play and win, but that doesn't mean skilled people don't play it.

 

Everything you ever said, has been nullified by this.

 

Everything. Nullified.

Halo is probably the single most difficult console game to play online due to the incredible amount of really really good players. It's practically the only truly skill-based console shooter out there right now.

 

My best-friend was close being as good as MLG players and he had a friend who was actually offered a position on an MLG team, but turned it down in order to server in the US Army. I was good, but I could never touch them in a game.

 

There's a reason Halo has been the MLG game since Halo 2 came out, and it's not because it's easy to play competitively.

 

EDIT: Timesplitters? Realistic? The f*ck? I want some of what your on.

Edited July 29, 2010 by The-King

[baptiste]

Halo 3 is a game that requires no skill to play and win, but that doesn't mean skilled people don't play it.

 

Everything you ever said, has been nullified by this.

 

Everything. Nullified.

Halo is probably the single most difficult console game to play online due to the incredible amount of really really good players. It's practically the only truly skill-based console shooter out there right now.

 

My best-friend was close being as good as MLG player and he had a friend who was actually offered a position on an MLG team, but turned it down in order to server in the US Army. I was good, but I could never touch them in a game.

 

There's a reason Halo has been the MLG game since Halo 2 came out, and it's not because it's easy to play competitively.

 

EDIT: Timesplitters? Realistic? The f*ck? I want some of what your on.

Exactly, at one point me and my friend were also pretty damn good, we dominated most games with average people, but we sometimes ended up against real "pros" and oh boy, it wasnt pretty. The sheer amount of skill included in some of the funky sh*t they do is crazy. Not to mention the constant stream of headshots that they always land, like a bloody instinct.

 

 

[Hart]

I'll probably get slayed for this (probably rightfully so) but I just couldn't get into KOTOR.

 

Also a few others:

Sims - although Sim City was great.

Tekken - far better fighters out there.

Devil May Cry - I wanted to like it..but couldn't. Not after playing God of War .

Resident Evil 5 - they ruined the good thing they had going with RE4..

 

edit:

EDIT: Timesplitters? Realistic? The f*ck? I want some of what your on.

 

Man what you talking about, gun toting monkeys are realistic.

 

good game though

Edited July 29, 2010 by Hart

[Mr.Mister]

Starcraft, World of Warcraft, pretty f*ckin retarted games if you ask me...

[Reconite]

Everything you ever said, has been nullified by this.

 

Everything. Nullified.

Why?

 

If 11 year olds can win at Halo 3 that must mean the game is based on luck rather than skill.

[Creed Bratton]

People who say Halo is overrated have never played it, the fail to list the negatives and positives like the level editor, the replay viewer, 4 player co op, splitscreen online and exceeds every other console FPS.

 

What I am saying is that you can't like Timesplitters or Perfect Dark and hate Halo, that just makes you a hypocrite then.

PC gamers such as myself mostly hate Halo. And if you were a PC gamer you would understand why Halo is a bad game hyped to insanity.

I'm a PC gamer and I love Halo so your point is invalid.

 

Please, do tell, what makes it a bad game and quit skirting the issue, it makes you look like an idiot. Right now it just seems your riding the bandwagon of baseless Halo hate.

I said mostly, I didn't say all of PC gamers. So my point is still valid. Halo is by all standards nothing more than a mediocre console FPS. And Halo 1 and 2 on PC were both pieces of sh*t games. I don't know about you but I like complexity in games, or at least a necessity to have actual skill. Lack of skill based gameplay and complexity is what makes Halo a bad game. That's also one of my main problems with Modern Warfare 2. It doesn't require any skill to play these games. And that happened because MW2 is a console game ported to PC just like Halo 1 and 2. So I guess what I'm trying to say is that console FPS sucks. FPS should be played on PC. I can't respect a first person shooter that wants you to use a gamepad. That's insulting.

[baptiste]

Everything you ever said, has been nullified by this.

 

Everything. Nullified.

Why?

 

If 11 year olds can win at Halo 3 that must mean the game is based on luck rather than skill.

Read my earlier and king's post. It's not that complicated.

 

Even in basic lobbies 11 year olds dont win, I dont see why your pulling random presumptions out of your ass when you've obviously never played it, you are one of the many who are riding the halo hate bandwagon.

[Rockworm]

Oh please, one of these threads?

Just go on the internet a pick any of the 100 greatest games of all time and put them in this thread.

 

That is exactly how this is going to end anyway.

I like this guy.

 

99 percent of the people in here are bashing good/popular games so that they can seem oldskool/hard by saying that their bad games. Or just to start an argument. Its beyond pathetic.

 

@TheBlackProject, it is just another thread, people always say the same things, most of them are always full of sh*t, and this is just another crappy thread to clutter up the forum. I would advise to refrain from making a topic ever again.

This entire thread is dedicated to looking hardcore by bashing the new great games.

good to know that no one can genuinely hate a popular game.

You better have a good explanation for hating good things, If someone hated Airplane, Aliens or the Empire Strikes Back you better give me

1 paragraph long well written reason why you hate these ****ing gems.

 

just sayin

your confusing popular with good.

Just because a bunch of people love it doesn't mean its great.

[Rockworm]

Mass Effect, Mass Efffect 2 (boring TPSs). Still fail to see what so good in it besides the story.

Halo games, Gears of War games, Killzone games, God of War games, (pointless games with only shooting and killing).

here is a good example of someone hating things because its cool.

[Rockworm]

People who say Halo is overrated have never played it, the fail to list the negatives and positives like the level editor, the replay viewer, 4 player co op, splitscreen online and exceeds every other console FPS.

 

What I am saying is that you can't like Timesplitters or Perfect Dark and hate Halo, that just makes you a hypocrite then.

I played all 3 and yes they are overrated.

Sorry the story is mediocre at best and the gameplay is nothing to get excited over. Its generic FPS hyped to death.

[Rockworm]

Everything you ever said, has been nullified by this.

 

Everything. Nullified.

Why?

 

If 11 year olds can win at Halo 3 that must mean the game is based on luck rather than skill.

Read my earlier and king's post. It's not that complicated.

 

Even in basic lobbies 11 year olds dont win, I dont see why your pulling random presumptions out of your ass when you've obviously never played it, you are one of the many who are riding the halo hate bandwagon.

yeah that was dumb. My nephew started wasting me in games by the age of 7.

[Narcis_speed6]

edit your post dude

[Sunrise Driver]

 

here is a good example of someone hating things because its cool.

For you it's maybe cool but for me they suck. Run-Shoot-Cover-Walk-Shoot. Great gameplay...

Halo would be forgotten if it wasn't Xbox exclusive. Same for Killzone and Gears of War because they're just another pointless shooters.

 

It's my opinion. I've played every game from the list and disliked them.

[The-King]

 

here is a good example of someone hating things because its cool.

For you it's maybe cool but for me they suck. Run-Shoot-Cover-Walk-Shoot. Great gameplay...

Halo would be forgotten if it wasn't Xbox exclusive. Same for Killzone and Gears of War because they're just another pointless shooters.

Halo: CE and Halo 2 are on the PC and as far as I've heard they still have a pretty active following.

 

Gears of War is also on PC, and it's infinitely better with a mouse and keyboard, not to mention the entire PC exclusive chapter they included.

Edited July 30, 2010 by The-King