Miami is too soft for GTA V, Chicago isnt

[Drift-Kingz]

 

And also whats with moral crusade ajrunke? Since when was a GTA games forum about criticizing and condemning real-life gangs and organzied crime? I do not condone what gangs and organized crime groups do - but I do find the way they operate interesting and intriguing and that is the reason why I read books about gangs and OC, why I watch gangster movies and why I play gang/organized crime-based games like GTA. GTA fans play GTA games because they find gangs and OC interesting and fascinating and they get the chance to play out their voyueristic fantasies. If you really despise all this gang stuff then you really should NOT even be on this forum in the first place, you should be on a website condemning violent games like GTA that glorify gangs and organized crime, just like what that GTA-hating lawyer Jack Thompson does on FOX News.

 

I hate to break this to you but the whole game isn't about gang's!! It's about the vibe, storyline, feeling, and location. Not gang's and OC's. Seriously people on this thread are acting like GTA is a whole game about gang's. That's just stupid. I for one find GTA interesting considering it look's like a promising series. Why? Because, I find it fun to steal other people's cars, run away from the cops, and kill other people in a video game. NOT because of drug's and gang's. Go play Saint's row if you want that but seriously I find that one statement you made to be trivial considering real GTA fan's are not drawn in because of OC's and grove street families. The game is not entirely about gang's!! How many time's am I gonna say it? It's about it's great character and twisted vibe that draw's gamer's in to the series, so that they can enjoy a fun and happy time, jacking car's, wearing hip clothes, and firing bullet's at random virtual pedestrian's.

 

As for arjunke, that fool is just being ignorant. He's spitting irrelevant sh*t about street gang's and OC'S when yet, they have nothing to do with the OP. But then again the OP has absolutely nothing related to GTA. The guy is just showing off how bad Chicago is. That's just pathetic. And what's even worse is that this topic turned out to be "hot".

 

edit-Lock?

Edited July 30, 2010 by Drift-Kingz

[Ats.]

Stop defending street gangs and other organizations. Crime is stupid in any form. Most of these "thugs" end up in jail and die on the streets. Stop acting like gangs and violence is good or anything.

coming from a guy who plays a game about crime.

But it's a f*cking game! I don't like beating up people and stealing cars in real life, thats why I do it in a video game. Jeez...

[GritEngine]

 

Stop defending street gangs and other organizations. Crime is stupid in any form. Most of these "thugs" end up in jail and die on the streets. Stop acting like gangs and violence is good or anything.

coming from a guy who plays a game about crime.

This game is not about crime and doesn't have any more crime in it than TV - which is, in a nutshell, what the game is about (media and culture and retards involved with it)

[xNewtype Acex]

This game is not about crime

Yes it is, Hollywood crime, but still crime.

[Urban Legend]

V is for Vice!

[Zee]

 

Gangs are evil drug capitalists. All capitalists evil.

yeah go communism right? seriously the posts are getting really stupid. Both OC gangs and street gangs have some kind of business whether its drugs or extortion, they both rake in alot of money. big time gangs arent full of idiots. lock this thread.

did i say anything about communism in my post, you d*ck b*tch?

 

"ha-ha. Trash Can Bitch!"- Carl "CJ" Johnson, Grand Theft Auto, San Andreas (1992)

 

Couldntve said it better myself carl.

[Urban Legend]

R* Says Relax.

[Nativedeem]

 

Gangs are evil drug capitalists. All capitalists evil.

yeah go communism right? seriously the posts are getting really stupid. Both OC gangs and street gangs have some kind of business whether its drugs or extortion, they both rake in alot of money. big time gangs arent full of idiots. lock this thread.

did i say anything about communism in my post, you d*ck b*tch?

 

"ha-ha. Trash Can Bitch!"- Carl "CJ" Johnson, Grand Theft Auto, San Andreas (1992)

 

Couldntve said it better myself carl.

hey calm the f*ck down theres no need to call me a dick bitch whatever that means. you said you didnt like capitalists so im just saying the opposite. and i have no f*cking idea what you mean by that quote or where you heard that. i never heard cj say that.

[GritEngine]

 

This game is not about crime

Yes it is, Hollywood crime, but still crime.

It is Hollywood. In fact it is TV. Not only did Dan Houser explain that himself, but the aspect of crime or daring activities (hey, not every mission is a crime - even if it is, you gotta admit, someone needed to shoot Playboy X) - the aspect of crime or daring activities in this game is only one small fraction of all the things that are parodied, satired, and observed in this game.

 

I'm not calling you wrong, stupid, or anything like that - and I feel it's important to tell you that, because this topic is kinda whacko up in here - but this is the "effed up sh*t you see on TV" game - nothing more, nothing less, and we can probably all agree, nowehere shy of excellent

 

Keep gaming.

 

edit: And Dwayne is awesome. And we all know some Dwaynes.

 

And, I know "why did he allude to those two?"

 

One is like a real human being, one was a playboy.

Edited July 30, 2010 by GritEngine

[ajrunke]

Street gangs = scum

 

Off to play some TBOGT!!!!

 

Hellz yeah!

[Kwandilibro]

 

Your seriously going to ramble about my avatar now? What, got nothing to say? C'mon speak up "grit".

 

Also, Heroin doesn't make you a street gang member. Terrorists are technically in a different class considering they have more knowledge in the advancement of technology. Street gang members on the other hand don't know sh*t.

That, and the fact that terrorists bomb people......

 

@GritEngine, I noticed you said selling drugs doesn't pay. It seemed to pay quite the bit for this guy.

Just saying......

Let's just say I would never leave him alone around childtren, valuable possessions, probably would never invite him into my home, and I sure as hell wouldn't do business with him.

 

It might work for some, but for the staggering majority, you just end up alienated. That guy looks pretty afflicted. "see it in his eyes" kind of way.

 

I see pain in his eyes. He does not like his life or what he did with his life, and probably didn't have much of a choice. Either way, real bangers dream of the day no one does any bangin anymore. Only the low and the foot soldiers like what they do. And they ain't seeing Carnegie Hall any time soon.

 

edit: And he needs somebody to tighten up them braids, they are looking scratchy.

In reality, this dude probably has a good ten kids or so that he barely even knows. But I wouldn't leave a kid around him, he'd probably be high.

 

And I'm pretty sure the look in his eyes is more or less the "sh*t, I'm going to prison for 30 years" look. But these gangsters, a lot of them really don't like what they do. You hear rappers glorify crack dealing, but some of those dudes probably wish they would have stayed in school. But it usually takes a couple gunshot wounds and some lengthy prison terms to straighten them out. And that's why, sometimes you hear drug dealing rappers say stuff about how they're going to make sure their kids get an education. Because bangin' isn't the life, neither is hustling.

 

@arjunke, At this point, you've degraded yourself to the point where you really should just hang yourself.

[ajrunke]

Really? Because I'm the one who went online searching for a pic of a thug with ice?

 

Get a life, man. You're scum...get over it!

[Kwandilibro]

Really? Because I'm the one who went online searching for a pic of a thug with ice?

 

Get a life, man. You're scum...get over it!

Mighty mature there, huh?

 

You don't even know who that is.

[GritEngine]

 

sometimes you hear drug dealing rappers say stuff about how they're going to make sure their kids get an education. Because bangin' isn't the life, neither is hustling.

Yea, we shot that guy in GTA IV.

 

 

 

"I gotta get me mine first, then I can save the hood"

 

Nah, I think that was something I woulda said to justify my mean mug. I was still wrong man. Others are still wrong in this world. "See no changes"

Edited July 30, 2010 by GritEngine

[pantera765]

Gangsters might not be "scum", and maybe they are normal people. But, that doesn't give them any excuse. Sure dealing drugs will get you alot of money... but at what expense? You're making money by ruining other people's lives. It'll all catch up to you in the end... what goes around comes around.

 

Also, just because someone lives in very poor conditions doesn't give them an excuse to get involved in crime. I suppose those people who would rather live honestly would be considered "pussies" for not joining a gang. But those pussies are the people who are actually going to make a difference, instead of just making everything worse.

 

 

[Kwandilibro]

 

Gangsters might not be "scum", and maybe they are normal people. But, that doesn't give them any excuse. Sure dealing drugs will get you alot of money... but at what expense? You're making money by ruining other people's lives. It'll all catch up to you in the end... what goes around comes around.

 

Also, just because someone lives in very poor conditions doesn't give them an excuse to get involved in crime. I suppose those people who would rather live honestly would be considered "pussies" for not joining a gang. But those pussies are the people who are actually going to make a difference, instead of just making everything worse.

Well, you're right and wrong.

 

Gangsters ruin the lives of people they kill and the families of those people, which are often f*cked up to start with. f*ck broken homes, we're talking shredded homes. But contrary to popular belief, gangsters are people too. Gangsters are innocent people's sons, fathers, nephews, cousins, brothers. They're not just random savages.

 

At the same time, being really isn't an excuse. But at times, it's more of a clutch move. But they could still conduct themselves legally. But take into consideration how a poor kid in the ghetto thinks, which you would do to.

 

You see one guy working at McDonald's, being paid minimum wage, and being robbed constantly for the piece of sh*t money he's got. Not to mention the fact that he's still poor. Then you see a drug dealer with fancy cars, expensive clothes, flashy jewelry, all the girls they want, and loads of respect from their peers. The kid has eyes, and it's pretty clear which choice he would make. Because these kids trying to be gangsters, they see a one sided situation. They see the glamorous side of being a thug. They don't see the side where you are constantly running from cops or being arrested, losing close friends regularly, and barely living legal. They also don't see the side where most gang members still live with their mothers.

 

But it's about a quick buck in the hood, not a solid foundation. As the Wu Tang Clan once stated, cash rules everything around me. And you and I both know that fast money is preferred over slow money when you're broke.

 

Yes, a lot of times, those legal living folks are seen as pussies, or even stupid, by their peers. Why? Because rather than choosing a fast, glamorous, short life full of illegal money and other illegal things, they chose to play it safe, which generally leads to more poor people and slow money.

 

Now some of those "pussies" do make a difference, but as it turns out, the drug dealers make a bigger impact. Because everybody knows that the poor really don't have much of a say in society, much less an impact. Meanwhile, some drug dealers can actually give back to the hood, in an attempt to right their wrongs.

 

And just so you know, in the case of the hood, gangsters are really only adding fire to the flame that is destroying black culture. The real problems can be traced back to welfare and public housing, but the deepest problems are slavery. And black people just choose not to change anything. I don't know why, but.......

 

I hope at least some of that made a degree of sense, instead of me just rambling on like I usually do....

[Little William]

Well, you're right and wrong.

 

Gangsters ruin the lives of people they kill and the families of those people, which are often f*cked up to start with. f*ck broken homes, we're talking shredded homes. But contrary to popular belief, gangsters are people too. Gangsters are innocent people's sons, fathers, nephews, cousins, brothers. They're not just random savages.

 

At the same time, being really isn't an excuse. But at times, it's more of a clutch move. But they could still conduct themselves legally. But take into consideration how a poor kid in the ghetto thinks, which you would do to.

 

You see one guy working at McDonald's, being paid minimum wage, and being robbed constantly for the piece of sh*t money he's got. Not to mention the fact that he's still poor. Then you see a drug dealer with fancy cars, expensive clothes, flashy jewelry, all the girls they want, and loads of respect from their peers. The kid has eyes, and it's pretty clear which choice he would make. Because these kids trying to be gangsters, they see a one sided situation. They see the glamorous side of being a thug. They don't see the side where you are constantly running from cops or being arrested, losing close friends regularly, and barely living legal. They also don't see the side where most gang members still live with their mothers.

 

But it's about a quick buck in the hood, not a solid foundation. As the Wu Tang Clan once stated, cash rules everything around me. And you and I both know that fast money is preferred over slow money when you're broke.

 

Yes, a lot of times, those legal living folks are seen as pussies, or even stupid, by their peers. Why? Because rather than choosing a fast, glamorous, short life full of illegal money and other illegal things, they chose to play it safe, which generally leads to more poor people and slow money.

 

Now some of those "pussies" do make a difference, but as it turns out, the drug dealers make a bigger impact. Because everybody knows that the poor really don't have much of a say in society, much less an impact. Meanwhile, some drug dealers can actually give back to the hood, in an attempt to right their wrongs.

 

And just so you know, in the case of the hood, gangsters are really only adding fire to the flame that is destroying black culture. The real problems can be traced back to welfare and public housing, but the deepest problems are slavery. And black people just choose not to change anything. I don't know why, but.......

 

I hope at least some of that made a degree of sense, instead of me just rambling on like I usually do....

Mate, what you written here is the truth. Gangsters are people who came from poor dysfunctional families. They have very little choices in life other than crime and have a bleak outlook on their future. No one has any right to judge them as scum or otherwise because you do not live their lives. Sure they did some horrible things, but it is not like they have an choice either. I do not condone for they had done, but I do understand their situation.

[DanManUtd]

I think Kwan's and Little William's last posts were spot on. I don't know what it's like in America, but here in the UK the majority of people murdered by gangs are people from other gangs, so it's not as if it's mindless killings.

 

Also the people in gangs weren't given opportunities like the rest of us (but some can't see that) so crime was the only means of making money. Afterall, they have families to feed just like most people here.

 

I'd never amount to nothin', to all the people that lived above the

buildings that I was hustlin' in front of that called the police on

me when I was just tryin' to make some money to feed my daughters, - Notorious B.I.G

 

I think that says it all.

 

@OP: GTA Somalia? It's more dangerous there.

[BrownBear]

This is stupid, anyone who thinks that things are so black and white as street gangs are scum or they are regular people is blind.

The truth is you can't pinpoint people like that, some gangsters are just nice people who have no money or options and have to join gangs out of necesity, while others are psychopaths who join gangs as an excuse to kill people.

 

Lets get back on topic which was do you think vice city has a high enough crime rate for GTA.

[RedDragonsBOOM]

I'm so sick of gang bangers using society as an excuse for doing what they do. Maybe they shouldn't give a sh*t what their peers think and just live a normal life instead of slanging rocks for a quick buck. I don't care how downtrodden and poor they are or how badly they crave respect that's no excuse to join a gang, that just shows the level of ignorance that these dumb f*cks truly possess. IDK maybe I wouldn't have such harsh judgment on street gangs if they ran their business a bit more intelligently, but the way they try to blatantly flash their lifestyle and how quick they are to shoot a mother f*cker for stepping on their shoes is just f*cking stupid.

[DanManUtd]

[i'd like to say firstly that I'm against gangs and violence of such]

 

You need to take your had out your ass and realise that for some there is nowhere for some people to go.

 

You say they should lead a normal life, but especially in my country at the moment there are hardly any jobs going so how can you lead a normal life without money? Unfortunately crime is the only way to gain money.

 

You say that they flash there money and sh*t, well idk what it's like in America or other countries, but in my country its not usually about that (admittedly there are a few that are like that) so stop watching films and basing your opinions on what you see in GTA:SA

 

Also you cannot argue against that for some there is no way out, as it's been demonstrated in places near me where youth schemes have been set up (youth clubs etc) which has helped lowered gang crime.

 

Admittedly I've heard of such things happening, but that's the minority that do do that. As I've said (and was probably ignored) most gang crimes were against other gangs so yeah.

 

Again, I'm not saying gangs are good, I'm just saying don't be prejudiced tits.

[Official General]

 

Stop defending street gangs and other organizations. Crime is stupid in any form. Most of these "thugs" end up in jail and die on the streets. Stop acting like gangs and violence is good or anything.

coming from a guy who plays a game about crime.

But it's a f*cking game! I don't like beating up people and stealing cars in real life, thats why I do it in a video game. Jeez...

@ Ats - I believe Nativedeem just owned you with his reply. First of all NO ONE on here said that gangs were good and NO ONE was defending street gangs. There was a particular point that was being made about street gangs that caused the debate in the first place. Read the comments properly. Just like that idiot ajrunke, you too start assuming things and then you start yelling out loud to everyone on here that street gangs, gangsters and crime in general is bad and stupid - yet here you are playing GTA games? GTA games are about crime in general with their storylines placing a heavy emphasis on street gangs and organzied crime. Why are you playing GTA games if you have such strong opposition to anything Mafia or gang-related?

 

I dont condone or encourage any kind of crime including organized crime or gangsterism in any form. But the fact of the matter is a great many members of the general public audience find all this stuff about gangsters and organized crime very interesting, fascinating and sometimes, forgive for saying this influential (not in the sense of becoming a gangster, but inspired by non-violent aspects of gangsterism like the slang, swagger, attitude, mannerisms and fashion sense). Thats why movies like the Godfather, Goodfellas, or Boyz in The Hood and Menace 2 Society are very popular crime/gangster films with huge cult followings. Thats why people like Al Capone, John Gotti, Pablo Escobar or Stanley Tookie Williams get so much attention from the press for their gangster notoriety. Thats why games like GTA 3, Vice City, San Andreas and GTA 4 sell millions and millions of copies. This is what sells and its what is popular, its just the way it is. If you have a real problem with this the you really should not be playing a GTA game as it should be against your principles.

 

But I bet you'll still choose to play a GTA game, play as a character working for gangsters, shooting and killing people and selling drugs. Then later at some point you come on here talking your high and mighty bullsh*t about "oh no! gangs and crime are bad! ". We know this already and I'm sure an overwhelming majority of us are not gonna play GTA and become real-life gangsters. Most of us know that this is a discussion about a video game and not real life, maybe you should take a minute to realise this!

 

Man, you make no sense at all.

Edited July 30, 2010 by Official General

[Drift-Kingz]

 

[i'd like to say firstly that I'm against gangs and violence of such]

 

You need to take your had out your ass and realise that for some there is nowhere for some people to go.

 

You say they should lead a normal life, but especially in my country at the moment there are hardly any jobs going so how can you lead a normal life without money? Unfortunately crime is the only way to gain money.

 

You say that they flash there money and sh*t, well idk what it's like in America or other countries, but in my country its not usually about that (admittedly there are a few that are like that) so stop watching films and basing your opinions on what you see in GTA:SA 

 

Also you cannot argue against that for some there is no way out, as it's been demonstrated in places near me where youth schemes have been set up (youth clubs etc) which has helped lowered gang crime.

 

Admittedly I've heard of such things happening, but that's the minority that do do that. As I've said (and was probably ignored) most gang crimes were against other gangs so yeah.

 

Again, I'm not saying gangs are good, I'm just saying don't be prejudiced tits.

Seriously WTF are you addressing? First, you come up with an excuse saying "oh, im not liking violence and crime boo hoo". Then you come up with the most frivolous statement saying crime is the only answer to earn money. Well I'm pretty sure it's a common way in your country but really, there are ton's of job's out there. You just can't use violence as one considering that "violence is never the answer". Have you ever heard of that saying? Also I'm pretty sure in your country violence is a common element. So that's why they have youth club's and such. Am I right? But really, violence is never the answer. Not anywhere at all. You CAN'T use violence to earn a job. You use hard work and respect to earn one. Don't speak up about your crime issues next time considering you look like a fool just saying stuff like that. That's just messed up man.

 

And please don't come up with an excuse next time stating that "I dont encourage violence or crime and I don't like it". Because technically, your kind of saying that in your country they condone it just to get money. I'm pretty sure you would too.

 

@Ats. - WTF are you talking about? You make clearly no sense saying you hate crime and violence and you don't want to condone it. But then here's the question, why are you playing GTA? You don't even deserve playing it. As a matter of fact, you shouldn't be discussing with us. Sorry.

 

@RedDragonsBOOM - That's just straight up lies your talking right now. Street Gang's operate their drug trades strategically so that they can earn money. Now what are you saying when street gang's dont operate interesting? Huh? They so do. I'm not defending them or anything like that but gang's these day's use their minds strategically in order to complete each and one of their certain event's. They operate their "businesses" in a great way. That's how gangster's and criminal's earn money. Seriously you shouldn't be spewing crap about street gang's considering you absolutely don't know much about them. Yeah you know they kill people and sell drug's but everyone know's that by now! Sheesh seriously you need to do some research before making statement's like that and talking trash about how disgusting and dirty gang's are. It's just stupid.

Edited July 30, 2010 by Drift-Kingz

[II Goonah II]

[i'd like to say firstly that I'm against gangs and violence of such]

 

You need to take your had out your ass and realise that for some there is nowhere for some people to go.

 

You say they should lead a normal life, but especially in my country at the moment there are hardly any jobs going so how can you lead a normal life without money? Unfortunately crime is the only way to gain money.

 

You say that they flash there money and sh*t, well idk what it's like in America or other countries, but in my country its not usually about that (admittedly there are a few that are like that) so stop watching films and basing your opinions on what you see in GTA:SA 

 

Also you cannot argue against that for some there is no way out, as it's been demonstrated in places near me where youth schemes have been set up (youth clubs etc) which has helped lowered gang crime.

 

Admittedly I've heard of such things happening, but that's the minority that do do that. As I've said (and was probably ignored) most gang crimes were against other gangs so yeah.

 

Again, I'm not saying gangs are good, I'm just saying don't be prejudiced tits.

Seriously WTF are you addressing? First, you come up with an excuse saying "oh, im not liking violence and crime boo hoo". Then you come up with the most frivolous statement saying crime is the only answer to earn money. Well I'm pretty sure it's a common way in your country but really, there are ton's of job's out there. You just can't use violence as one considering that "violence is never the answer". Have you ever heard of that saying? Also I'm pretty sure in your country violence is a common element. So that's why they have youth club's and such. Am I right? But really, violence is never the answer. Not anywhere at all. You CAN'T use violence to earn a job. You use hard work and respect to earn one. Don't speak up about your crime issues next time considering you look like a fool just saying stuff like that. That's just messed up man.

 

And please don't come up with an excuse next time stating that "I dont encourage violence or crime and I don't like it". Because technically, your kind of saying that in your country they condone it just to get money. I'm pretty sure you would too.

 

@Ats. - WTF are you talking about? You make clearly no sense saying you hate crime and violence and you don't want to condone it. But then here's the question, why are you playing GTA? You don't even deserve playing it. As a matter of fact, you shouldn't be discussing with us. Sorry.

Drift, i'm from England just like him, and i'm not sure what part of England he's from but it isn't how he's saying it. I live in London, the most racially & culturally diverse city on the planet, and yes there are huge amounts of crime increase lately, hell theres a estate (or project, as Americans say) 1 minute from my house and theres shootings there often but their are plenty of chances to get a normal job, I think you'll find alot of people here just don't want a normal life and look for crime, for whatever reason I don't know. Don't get me wrong, their are people who have nowere to turn, but some just get involved because it's easy money.

[Emhyr]

Drift Kingz-Only because he hate crime and violence he doesn't deserve to play gta? lol

 

[Drift-Kingz]

[i'd like to say firstly that I'm against gangs and violence of such]

 

You need to take your had out your ass and realise that for some there is nowhere for some people to go.

 

You say they should lead a normal life, but especially in my country at the moment there are hardly any jobs going so how can you lead a normal life without money? Unfortunately crime is the only way to gain money.

 

You say that they flash there money and sh*t, well idk what it's like in America or other countries, but in my country its not usually about that (admittedly there are a few that are like that) so stop watching films and basing your opinions on what you see in GTA:SA 

 

Also you cannot argue against that for some there is no way out, as it's been demonstrated in places near me where youth schemes have been set up (youth clubs etc) which has helped lowered gang crime.

 

Admittedly I've heard of such things happening, but that's the minority that do do that. As I've said (and was probably ignored) most gang crimes were against other gangs so yeah.

 

Again, I'm not saying gangs are good, I'm just saying don't be prejudiced tits.

Seriously WTF are you addressing? First, you come up with an excuse saying "oh, im not liking violence and crime boo hoo". Then you come up with the most frivolous statement saying crime is the only answer to earn money. Well I'm pretty sure it's a common way in your country but really, there are ton's of job's out there. You just can't use violence as one considering that "violence is never the answer". Have you ever heard of that saying? Also I'm pretty sure in your country violence is a common element. So that's why they have youth club's and such. Am I right? But really, violence is never the answer. Not anywhere at all. You CAN'T use violence to earn a job. You use hard work and respect to earn one. Don't speak up about your crime issues next time considering you look like a fool just saying stuff like that. That's just messed up man.

 

And please don't come up with an excuse next time stating that "I dont encourage violence or crime and I don't like it". Because technically, your kind of saying that in your country they condone it just to get money. I'm pretty sure you would too.

 

@Ats. - WTF are you talking about? You make clearly no sense saying you hate crime and violence and you don't want to condone it. But then here's the question, why are you playing GTA? You don't even deserve playing it. As a matter of fact, you shouldn't be discussing with us. Sorry.

Drift, i'm from England just like him, and i'm not sure what part of England he's from but it isn't how he's saying it. I live in London, the most racially & culturally diverse city on the planet, and yes there are huge amounts of crime increase lately, hell theres a estate (or project, as Americans say) 1 minute from my house and theres shootings there often but their are plenty of chances to get a normal job, I think you'll find alot of people here just don't want a normal life and look for crime, for whatever reason I don't know. Don't get me wrong, their are people who have nowere to turn, but some just get involved because it's easy money.

Sorry. I really don't know much about england that much. But my point was that "violence is never the answer". In your country people use crime to earn money, right? Well all I'm saying is that it's wrong and messed up. People shouldn't be killing people to earn 5000 dollars. Its screwed up I'm telling you.

 

Sorry If I had offended DanManUtd earlier. I retract those previous statement's I had used toward's him.

 

@ Username482 - Do you even know what the hell we're talking about?

[Emhyr]

Drift kingz:

@Ats. - WTF are you talking about? You make clearly no sense saying you hate crime and violence and you don't want to condone it. But then here's the question, why are you playing GTA? You don't even deserve playing it. As a matter of fact, you shouldn't be discussing with us. Sorry.

 

 

That.

[pantera765]

[i'd like to say firstly that I'm against gangs and violence of such]

 

You need to take your had out your ass and realise that for some there is nowhere for some people to go.

 

You say they should lead a normal life, but especially in my country at the moment there are hardly any jobs going so how can you lead a normal life without money? Unfortunately crime is the only way to gain money.

Bullsh*t. Anything is better than resorting to a life of crime... hell, even cleaning up the Sewer. It's just that these people would rather not accept responsibility for their lives and make things better.

 

Yes, the conditions are bad, mostly because of racist and prejudiced policies that had been made in the past... but what are you going to do... blame the world or take responsibility for your life and make things better?

[ajrunke]

Sorry, but you guys have your heads up your asses. Playing a f*cking video game isn't condoning violence. You guys are literally nuts.

 

There's always work. That's no excuse. Actually look and seek it it, it's not hard to find...but sure, working at McDonalds and Walmart isn't going to "get money" very fast, now is it?

 

It's not fast enough...that's why they resort to other illegal tactics.

 

SCUM!!!!

[ajrunke]

Yes, the conditions are bad, mostly because of racist and prejudiced policies that had been made in the past... but what are you going to do... blame the world or take responsibility for your life and make things better?

It's not past policies...it's a whole mentality.

 

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local-beat/...n-99544129.html

 

It's a thug mentality. Thugs ruin neighborhoods, whether Kwan believes it or not. This story is JUST ANOTHER example. That mom wanted to leave because of the danger posed to her and her son due to the Thug/Street gang mentality. Yes, Kwan..they are scum. Call me a redneck, call me what you will. I fell sorry for the RIGHT people. You feel sorry for scum. Get over yourself.