Miami is too soft for GTA V, Chicago isnt

[Kwandilibro]

I just think it is funny it is ok for kwandalibro to hate on organised crime but if some1 bags street gangs they are ignorant. At least the mob don't kill as many innocent people as gangs do.

Wha? Who told you I hated OC?

Well that's what your posts imply.

Read em again then.

[Drift-Kingz]

OP's never been to Orem, Utah man that place is hella badass. We got gangs writing graffiti on our block... I'm too scared to sleep at night!

I remember living in Camden NJ man. You don't know what's it like! It's freakin scary at nighttime. You can hear siren's in the background and everything like that. Also whenever I'm sleeping in my old home, there's just people yelling outside cursing word's out and stuff like that.

[Emhyr]

Kwandilibro is a GANGSTAAAAAAAAA

[Ats.]

OP's never been to Orem, Utah man that place is hella badass. We got gangs writing graffiti on our block... I'm too scared to sleep at night!

Wow! That's so bad ass and awesome. Thug life and all. Damn I wish I lived in Orem, man. That sounds so COOL.

[Drift-Kingz]

Seriously what's up with all the people here trying to act gangster?

 

 

Kwandilibro is a GANGSTAAAAAAAAA

 

WTF? That's just childish -_-

 

 

[Official General]

Now come guys - this is just getting very silly on both sides of whatever argument is taking place. I'm just seeing a lot of ignorance and stupid comments being made on here and Kwandilibro is one of the few people in this thread I can actually say I agree with for most part. Let me start putting in view by responding to main subject of this thread first.

 

@ DoubleOGJohnson - Firstly, Miami is in no way too soft for GTA. Yeah, we all know Miami is not as dangerous as it used to be back in it's 1980's "Cocaine-Cowboy" era when the city was awash with cocaine, torn apart by warring Hispanic drug gangs shooting up the place and high murder rates. But there is still a lot of real serious organized crime, gangs and drugs in Miami today. Certain parts of Miami like Overtown, Little Haiti and Little Havana still experience high murder rates and frequent shootings. Many, many shootings and murders in Miami are still drug-related and the city still is a major entry point and market for cocaine, weed and other drugs. Just watch TV shows like "The First 48" and "Miami SWAT" and you will see for yourself. Plus you still have all the glitz and glamour of Miami's flashy nightlife and club scene, the city's exotic Latino flavour and for the street crowd you have the Miami hip hop scene. Miami is more than good enough for the next GTA.

 

Plus, not everything in a GTA game can be based purely on street gangs and gangbangin'. There needs to be a mix of other criminal groups of different kinds, thats how GTA has always been.

 

I too believe Chicago looks too similar to New York in style and architecture for Rockstar to use as the next GTA game. We've just had GTA 4 already based on New York, we dont need another similar-looking city. It just dont make sense at all. Yeah I know Chicago got a rich variety and mix of organized crime and street gangs, and yeah I know Chicago is an insanely violent city - but it does not automatically make it the best place for the next GTA. GTA games are not purely based on random homicidal acts or reckless and meaningless violence, and these aspects alone do not make GTA games great. There needs to be a solid, storyline/script, interesting plot, a good set of characters and presentation. But most of all Chicago looks like New York and we dont need another GTA game setting to look like New York.

 

@ Everyone else - I have to agree with Kwandilibro on a point he made earlier that has always had me thinking too. Just what is it with some on the guys on here that seem to be obsessed with only having Mafia or Mafia-style criminal organizations in GTA games? Don't get me wrong I love Mafia-themed stuff, whether its in video games, movies or books. But in a GTA game, there has to be a mix of criminal gangs. It would be a little boring if it was always about the Mafia and organized crime the whole time. There needs to be a mix of Mafias, street gangs and other criminal groups to make a GTA game more interesting and exciting. Kwandilibro is speaking the truth here - in real life the Mafia in America is no longer the criminal organization it once was. The Italian-American Mafia keep a very low-profile these days to avoid unwanted attention from law enforcement - it is very rare that they openly engage in violence, gang warfare or shootings anymore. The Mafia in America choose to operate a lot more underground and in the shadows than most other criminal groups these days. Now this does not mean that we should not have them in a GTA game - I will always want to see the Mafia in a GTA game. But some guys on here just need to understand that its a little unrealistic to have the Mafia running riot and causing total mayhem in a modern-day American city when in real-life, the Mafia simply do not operate like that anymore.

 

Street gangs will always be used in GTA games because most of the more visible crimes committed like retail drug sales, street violence and shootings are perpetrated by street gangs. Street gangs are more likely to be seen having gunfights or drive-by shootings than the Mafia, so they will always be seen a logical and natural inclusion in a GTA game.

 

And whats with the hate against having street gangs in GTA games? It dont matter that street gangs appear to be stupid and ignorant. If anything it makes them more interesting and colorful characters to be in a GTA game, which happens to be based on crime and criminal groups anyway. So what if street gangs are stupid and ignorant? Thats the way they act because they are criminals and they dont care about they own lives or anyone elses. Thats just how most criminals are, they normally dont care how they act or what people would think of their conduct. The Mafia have done the same things, they've killed over minor infractions and disputes. Gambino Family Mafia boss, John Gotti used to parade himself in front of cameras and he loved the attention. Now thats stupid, bringing public attention to yourself like that when you are in the business of murder, racketeering, drugs, etc. And not all street gangs are stupid - the Gangster Disciples and Vice Lords of Chicago, which are primarly African-American street gangs, rake in $100 million a year or more in drug sales, and they sometimes get invloved in local politics to gain more control over their territories. You can research this yourself. Hispanic street gangs also make huge amounts of money using highly-organized drug sales networks. Criminals are criminals and gangs are gangs it dont matter, there aint no difference just because one wears hooded tops or one wears suits. GTA is about criminals in general and the game should reflect a good mix of that, not just people's individual preferences.

 

My piece said and done!

Edited July 29, 2010 by Official General

[Emhyr]

Seriously what's up with all the people here trying to act gangster?

 

 

Kwandilibro is a GANGSTAAAAAAAAA

 

WTF? That's just childish -_-

[pantera765]

I'll just say this... criminal organizations suck, both street gangs and mafias. There, I said it.

 

Seriously, who cares. Rockstar will do whatever the hell they want with GTA V... whether it's about organized crime or gangs.

[Ats.]

I'll just say this... criminal organizations suck, both street gangs and mafias. There, I said it.

 

Seriously, who cares. Rockstar will do whatever the hell they want with GTA V... whether it's about organized crime or gangs.

Well actually violence and crime in general suck.

[Drift-Kingz]

I think Official General worded it perfectly out of everyone else here. Remember Murder at Versace House? And the River Cop case? They're all part of Miami's history of crime and violence. There's no point to procure that Miami is too "soft" for GTA.

 

As for Chicago, I'd take it - If I had to. Only reason why I'm stating that is because we wouldn't want another city similiar to NYC. We've already had Liberty City which was very similiar to NYC in terms of architectual designs. Why would we want ANOTHER "NYC"?. That stuff is too old man. I'd be fine if it was Miami considering it's cultural land is fantastic and would be a rush for some Great GTA fans out there

 

Chicago or Miami? Whatever. I'm not actually really focused on the crime aspect to tell you the truth.

[A White CJ]

All of you insulting the OP are IDIOTS. If you cared about killing people so much, why do you play the fr*cking game ABOUT MURDER? He NEVER said he took pride in those murders, he was just showing it to prove what a sh*tty place Chicago is! And GTA is ABOUT sh*tty places.

 

I mean, suppose they set the next Call of Duty in the Falkland Islands War. Would people complain about what a "small" war it was? I would. But that doesn't mean they are GLAD so many people died in other wars, like WWII. You BASE a game on reality.

 

"Worthless hood trash"? I couldn't agree more, but I find it stupid that you think GTA is automatically not about that. GTA is about criminal organizations/crime in general, and there is no difference between some street gang and an international syndicate when it comes to how it fits GTA.

 

*ssholes....

[TheShogunOfHarlem]

THIS THREAD FAILS!!  I guess you've never heard of 305 Dade County.  Pretty rough area.....I hate to break this to you but ALL GANGS ARE PUSSIES!!!  Anybody that murders someone doesn't make you tuff it's makes you a bitch.  This is a video game.

I agree. Gangs are just pathetic - and many of the people who are "gangsters" are just sick individuals who get an enjoyment out of murder. In other words, they're really just terrorists.

 

In real life, people are REAL people, with families and children. It's not like in GTA where all of the people are just computer generated. It's not like if you kill a pedestrian in GTA then all of a sudden their family will find out they were killed... because they don't have families, they're just backdrop characters in the game.

Why don't you go tell them that? Seriously, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. At All. So shut the f*ck up.

 

Seriously, the ignorance in this thread is disgusting. People who say gangs are pussies.... Well you're criticizing them from behind a computer screen, so.... So are you.

 

I just can't understand what's the obsession with the mafia and crime syndicates on this forum. They're boring as f*ck. They don't kill people, they're rarely in the news. They just duck off into the shadows to avoid being caught. Which to me is being a true pussy, being afraid of prison.

 

@DoubleOGJohnson, enough of this sh*t man. People don't want a game filled with gangs. They'd prefer the long drawn out affairs of some mafia family, and hope to replicate the exact same plot in each and every GTA. No variety, that's stupid.

 

But come on. We know Chi Town is violent, we know it's full of gangs, but that just ain't GTA. GTA is supposed to be a mix of street and organized crime. Not just gangs, not just organized crime, a f*cking mix.

 

With that being said, I'm requesting for this thread to be locked to avoid the rest of this ignorance.

I'll agree with the rest of you guys and say that this thread sucks and it should be locked. Second, I see a lot of racial undertones here which is another reason to lock this thread.

 

Kwandilibro:

Calm down man. I would hope that most people who have a dislike of gangs would have more to do with the contempt for crime and criminals in general. (And is not a cover for their racism, but that is another topic for another time) I have very little respect and loathe both street gangs and organized criminals. What good do they do? Very little. I think it's sad that there is a debate which is better. It's like having a pissing contest between an a$$hole and a douche bag.

 

Personally, I can care less who or what are the major criminal elements in a GTA game. If the question was asked then I would say all of the above.(Street gangs/Organized Criminals/Cartels/Hate Groups and basically everything under the sun) I would like to see Private military companies and Rogue CIA agents be added to the mix.

 

My exception, however, would be that the Protagonist should not be a member/affiliated (at least on good terms) with any of the above groups. It's why I found Niko and Luis's narratives the most interesting.

[ajrunke]

White, you're an idiot. OP acts like he's taking pride in how thuggish Chi town is; plus what the f*ck does REAL life violence have to do with VIDEO GAME violence? Oh and GTA is NOT about sh*tty places, rather the underground lifestyle trying to rise to the top.... Last time I checked, NY is a wonderful place...Miami is a wonderful place....LA is a wonderful place...San Francisco...not so much....How come if GTA is about sh*tty places, they haven't done Gary, Indiana...or Detroit, MI??

 

Kawn....who the f*ck knows what's going on in his head. He's so quick to defend street gangs and what they do when people rip on them.

 

But we're not talking reality here. We're talking about a f*cking game and somehow it transformed into some dumb ass debate. Everyone (except maybe Kwan) can agree that gangs/mafia/violence is sh*t and detrimental to our society. I'm simply defending the mafioso aspect as more fun to PLAY IN A GAME NOT IN REALITY and that's personal preference. Then this whole thing takes a turn into whose more bad ass in real life. Who gives a f*ck? I want to play a game with an interesting plot.

 

Any group or individual that runs the streets by instilling fear among their fellow citizens is scum...white, black, mexican, asian - doesn't matter.

Edited July 29, 2010 by ajrunke

[Mario]

White, you're an idiot. OP acts like he's taking pride in how thuggish Chi town is; plus what the f*ck does REAL life violence have to do with VIDEO GAME violence? Oh and GTA is NOT about sh*tty places, rather the underground lifestyle trying to rise to the top.... Last time I checked, NY is a wonderful place...Miami is a wonderful place....LA is a wonderful place...San Francisco...not so much....How come if GTA is about sh*tty places, they haven't done Gary, Indiana...or Detroit, MI??

 

Kawn....who the f*ck knows what's going on in his head. He's so quick to defend street gangs and what they do when people rip on them.

 

But we're not talking reality here. We're talking about a f*cking game and somehow it transformed into some dumb ass debate. Everyone (except maybe Kwan) can agree that gangs/mafia/violence is sh*t and detrimental to our society. I'm simply defending the mafioso aspect as more fun to PLAY IN A GAME NOT IN REALITY and that's personal preference. Then this whole thing takes a turn into whose more bad ass in real life. Who gives a f*ck? I want to play a game with an interesting plot.

 

Any group or individual that runs the streets by instilling fear among their fellow citizens is scum...white, black, mexican, asian - doesn't matter.

Right on.

[Toup]

As Drift-Kingz says if i understood, we will buy the game if it is OC or Gang Banging, in Chicago or in Miami, with RPG's or without, it doesn't matter we will still have fun playing.

 

Look at GTA IV, you can say you hated the city, the missions, it was too realistic but you enjoyed it in the end.( i still get to love jumping of empire state building with a rpg shooting randomly )

 

Some fans vote for Chicago, some for Vice City, i'd like it to be set in a place like Miami, or even Vice City itself.

 

IMO the conclusion is that we will all be amazed wherever and whenever R* decides to set GTA V!

 

This is my opinion, i'm not talking for any other members of Gta forums.

And as you can see my English isn't very good. Sorry.

[Rockworm]

All of you insulting the OP are IDIOTS. If you cared about killing people so much, why do you play the fr*cking game ABOUT MURDER? He NEVER said he took pride in those murders, he was just showing it to prove what a sh*tty place Chicago is! And GTA is ABOUT sh*tty places.

 

I mean, suppose they set the next Call of Duty in the Falkland Islands War. Would people complain about what a "small" war it was? I would. But that doesn't mean they are GLAD so many people died in other wars, like WWII. You BASE a game on reality.

 

"Worthless hood trash"? I couldn't agree more, but I find it stupid that you think GTA is automatically not about that. GTA is about criminal organizations/crime in general, and there is no difference between some street gang and an international syndicate when it comes to how it fits GTA.

 

*ssholes....

WOW you are sick. basically saying "You can't play a violent video game unless your violent too."

 

tell me sir how many people have you killed today?

[Toup]

 

All of you insulting the OP are IDIOTS. If you cared about killing people so much, why do you play the fr*cking game ABOUT MURDER? He NEVER said he took pride in those murders, he was just showing it to prove what a sh*tty place Chicago is! And GTA is ABOUT sh*tty places.

 

I mean, suppose they set the next Call of Duty in the Falkland Islands War. Would people complain about what a "small" war it was? I would. But that doesn't mean they are GLAD so many people died in other wars, like WWII. You BASE a game on reality.

 

"Worthless hood trash"? I couldn't agree more, but I find it stupid that you think GTA is automatically not about that. GTA is about criminal organizations/crime in general, and there is no difference between some street gang and an international syndicate when it comes to how it fits GTA.

 

*ssholes....

WOW you are sick. basically saying "You can't play a violent video game unless your violent too."

 

tell me sir how many people have you killed today?

I think we should let those types of person comment, and post your opinion about the thread. Trust me it doesn't work argumenting ( in a way that is not constructive) in a Forum.

 

They bother me too but i try to avoid replying them.

Edited July 29, 2010 by Toup

[ZayDaGawd]

He's probably right about Chicago being way worst then Miami in the present day as far as gangs is concerned. They do have Chicago based gangs in Miami. But

Miami in the early 80's was the Murder/Cocaine Capital of the United States. I don't think Chicago could ever match that. Smugglers were bringing in TONS of Coke in

one shipment through Miami back then. It was riduculous. Its said by law enforcement that you could take a random dollar bill in Miami in the early 80's and it would

have traces of Cocaine on it.

chicago was still worse. Back in the early 90s, one housing project in southside chicago reported 300 shootings in one weekend. 28 dead. Let me remind you this isnt the whole city, just one project.

[Rockworm]

All of you insulting the OP are IDIOTS. If you cared about killing people so much, why do you play the fr*cking game ABOUT MURDER? He NEVER said he took pride in those murders, he was just showing it to prove what a sh*tty place Chicago is! And GTA is ABOUT sh*tty places.

 

I mean, suppose they set the next Call of Duty in the Falkland Islands War. Would people complain about what a "small" war it was? I would. But that doesn't mean they are GLAD so many people died in other wars, like WWII. You BASE a game on reality.

 

"Worthless hood trash"? I couldn't agree more, but I find it stupid that you think GTA is automatically not about that. GTA is about criminal organizations/crime in general, and there is no difference between some street gang and an international syndicate when it comes to how it fits GTA.

 

*ssholes....

WOW you are sick. basically saying "You can't play a violent video game unless your violent too."

 

tell me sir how many people have you killed today?

I think we should let those types of person comment, and post your opinion about the thread. Trust me it doesn't work argumenting ( in a way that is not constructive) in a Forum.

 

They bother me too but i try to avoid replying them.

I honestly have nothing to add to this thread so I'll just bow out now.

I don't really care where the next GTA will be because I know I'll love wherever it is.

[Official General]

All these guys on here that go on and on about Mafia/OC in a GTA game, are the same guys that keep hating on the idea of having street gangs or ganbangers in a GTA game - why not just reveal your true thoughts. You guys are either racist or prejudiced and you dont like the idea of having Black street gangs or maybe Hispanic street gangs in a GTA game and you also probably hate hip hop. You just want it to be based on more White/European organized crime groups like the Mafia etc. You keep saying stuff like:

 

" Worthless hood trash"

 

" Gangbangers are so stupid and ignorant"

 

" Traditional OC are smarter and more strategic"

 

" No more gangbangers "

 

Some of the really silly comments in here shown above. What are expecting in a GTA game? What do you think a GTA game is all about? Don't you guys realise that GTA is essentially about crime and gangs, no matter what type? And dont you realise that gangbangers are hardcore criminals that do not give a damn about what anybody thinks about them? It dont matter that one criminal gang wears baseball caps and hooded tops and listens to rap music, while the other criminal group wears pinstripe suits with black shirts and white ties and listens to Italian opera music. It dont matter what race, ethnicity or style that a criminal gang is made up of - criminal gangs are criminal gangs and that is that. So why not keep your silly racial/ethnic preferences out of these discussions, its not relevant and its not needed. Stop the politics, this is about a video game.

 

There should be a mix of all kinds of criminal gangs in a GTA game, Mafia, drug cartel, street gang etc. End of.

[Ats.]

Well, I just said arfro-american gangs are stupid. I didn't say I don't want them.

[Vercetti27]

f*cks sake , this thread is so stupid I can't you people are taking it seriously.

[BrownBear]

This is stupid, why do we have to have either black street gangs or organised crime?, how about diversity, it would be stupid with just one type of gang.

 

For starters, street gangs arent stupid, if they were they wouldnt be so powerful, obviously some little sets are, however larger gangs are not.

 

As for organised crime being boring, that is just stupid, i can understand if the calculated attacks of the mafia don't appeal to you, but what about gangs like the Westies, an Irish mob family who were pretty much all psychopaths whos specialties were dismemberment and torture. Or what about the Mexican drug cartels? people are turning up dead every day in northern Mexico.

 

When you get down to it most gangsters are not nice people, whether you wear hoodies or suits.

[MyDog]

To me city atmosphere is also important. I disliked III LC for being a dark sh*thole of a place, and I don't want another one.

[Kwandilibro]

Well, I just said arfro-american gangs are stupid. I didn't say I don't want them.

What makes them any stupider than a Hispanic gang, or even better, a white street gang? It seems to me that Official General hit the nail on the head here.

 

I just can't understand why people want every game to be filled with the mafia. I don't want a game filled with any one race, organization, or anything. Give us some variety, some diversity.

[ajrunke]

Well, I just said arfro-american gangs are stupid. I didn't say I don't  want them.

What makes them any stupider than a Hispanic gang, or even better, a white street gang? It seems to me that Official General hit the nail on the head here.

 

I just can't understand why people want every game to be filled with the mafia. I don't want a game filled with any one race, organization, or anything. Give us some variety, some diversity.

Kwan, General didn't hit the nail on the head. He's so far off base it's ridiculous. In fact, thats' a dangerous mentality (and very VERY naive) to assume ANYONE who degrades street gangs are racist. That's completely laughable.

 

People are bitching about street gangs because of what the do to our society, not because the race. The most prolific gangs are made up mainly of blacks. That's a fact. People are calling them out for what they do, not their effing color. You are the one making it about race. Stop making EVERYTHING about race. Start making it about people's ACTIONS.

 

[Kwandilibro]

Well, I just said arfro-american gangs are stupid. I didn't say I don't  want them.

What makes them any stupider than a Hispanic gang, or even better, a white street gang? It seems to me that Official General hit the nail on the head here.

 

I just can't understand why people want every game to be filled with the mafia. I don't want a game filled with any one race, organization, or anything. Give us some variety, some diversity.

Kwan, General didn't hit the nail on the head. He's so far off base it's ridiculous. In fact, thats' a dangerous mentality (and very VERY naive) to assume ANYONE who degrades street gangs are racist. That's completely laughable.

 

People are bitching about street gangs because of what the do to our society, not because the race. The most prolific gangs are made up mainly of blacks. That's a fact. People are calling them out for what they do, not their effing color. You are the one making it about race. Stop making EVERYTHING about race. Start making it about people's ACTIONS.

Damn. If that wasn't what I expected you to say, I might actually get angry.

 

But seriously, they're ruining our society. People thought me saying gay people are ruining society was stupid, but damn.

 

Just go ahead, keep trying to hide what you really think. I can see right through it, man.

[Typhus]

I'm sure Chicago is a very nice place. But it's golden age of crime will forever be linked to Al Capone back in the '20's. Nowadays it's probably just standard gangs with no sense of flair or panache.

Now, Miami. Miami during the 1980's had a great many colourful characters. The fact that the one drug lord behind all the killings was a woman is something you couldn't make up.

Plus, it looks very beautiful. My town tries to be like Miami, but we don't have the sun for it. So our palm tress just look kind of dead and dperessing. But imagine all that sun and the pristine beaches and blue oceans. It would be brilliant.

[pantera765]

Wow, this topic is still going on.

 

Look, all gangs are horrible regardless of race. For example, how the mafia(s) kidnaps young girls and force them into prostitution. Also, the Klu Klux Klan is a gang... although they're mostly focused on racial hatred.

 

Also, I suppose you could consider Al Qaeda a gang...

[Kwandilibro]

Wow, this topic is still going on.

 

Look, all gangs are horrible regardless of race. For example, how the mafia(s) kidnaps young girls and force them into prostitution. Also, the Klu Klux Klan is a gang... although they're mostly focused on racial hatred.

 

Also, I suppose you could consider Al Qaeda a gang...

Al Queda? That's a terrorist group. Terrorist groups and gangs are far from the same.