The IV Generation Is Not Over!

[Frisker]

You may keep me stupid.. but what's NGP?

[jnzooger]

You may keep me stupid.. but what's NGP?

Next Gen Portable, AKA PSP2.

[Nova69_7]

I would say that the IV-era is not dead yet. What RockStar did with IV was create a very big, brand new cast of characters and I cannot see them just using them for one game (and 2 DLC's of course...but let's call a spade a spade and say they are all basically one game, right?). I would be very suprised if GTA:NeXt set out with another ENTIRELY NEW cast rather than have cameo appearances from a few characters from IV and continue the story.

 

That said, even though the III-era Vice City & San Andreas were continuations of III's story (albeit in the form of prequels) they still had in their own game their own cast and only a handful were from the game before. Eg: Donald Love & Phil Cassidy returned from III to appear in Vice. But for me it appears RockStar have invested a lot of time in creating the characters in IV and I expect they are gonna do the same as before and continue a few of their stories. Plus I would say the majority of us on here would like to see what became of a few characters right?

 

So to answer your question Sam998 I would say no I don't think the IV-era is over just yet buddy.

[Duxfever]

IV-era could be ended on an ironic note: the impossible trinity fighting each other for a diamond, and ironically ends up in the hands of a hobo. And that story's set. And remember how Tony, Rocco, and Mori all left to go some place? This either could be a "well, they're gone!" conclusion, or a "loose end" conclusion. The Ballad of Gay Tony's credits with Packie taking off in a plane, however, kinda leads me to the conclusion where we might see tied-up loose ends in another IV-era game. Or it could just be another "they're gone" conclusion.

 

Possibly, another thing to think about is Chinatown Wars. It's set in the year it was released, in 2009. Now, I don't wanna bring an almost-unrelated topic to this discussion, but if this era would follow the footsteps of III's era, then wouldn't Chinatown Wars had to be set before GTA IV, before 2008?

 

I think there's a possibility that the next GTA game will be named "GTA V", but, like one of the admins here said (I don't remember who said, obviously), it's still possible for IV-era events be somehow incorporated to fit V events. Think of Red Dead Redemption and Undead Nightmare; both had the same characters and stories and such, but they were set in alternate universes. Maybe GTA IV and GTA V can be the same?

[jnzooger]

Possibly, another thing to think about is Chinatown Wars. It's set in the year it was released, in 2009. Now, I don't wanna bring an almost-unrelated topic to this discussion, but if this era would follow the footsteps of III's era, then wouldn't Chinatown Wars had to be set before GTA IV, before 2008?

This is something that threw off my pattern as well, until I really looked at it. Chinatown wars came out in March/October 2009 or January/September 2010 depending on the platform. However, the game is set sometime around January 26, 2009 because of the Chinese New Year parade in the game.

 

So the game is still set in the past relative to the release date.

[Duxfever]

Possibly, another thing to think about is Chinatown Wars. It's set in the year it was released, in 2009. Now, I don't wanna bring an almost-unrelated topic to this discussion, but if this era would follow the footsteps of III's era, then wouldn't Chinatown Wars had to be set before GTA IV, before 2008?

This is something that threw off my pattern as well, until I really looked at it. Chinatown wars came out in March/October 2009 or January/September 2010 depending on the platform. However, the game is set sometime around January 26, 2009 because of the Chinese New Year parade in the game.

 

So the game is still set in the past relative to the release date.

Well not relatively to the release date, but the original canon for what it's supposed to be in the first place. Know what I mean?

[Sam998]

I think Rockstar is just going by the dates the games come out unless they have a good reason not to do so, like they make a prequel or a game in the future (gulp)

[Finn 7 five 11]

Ok this whole thing has been debated a lot, it doesn't really matter either.

 

I personally see no reason to start a new Era, since they could easily not add any of the characters from IV into the next GTA.

 

Thats just my 2 cents, i really don't feel like debating this...again.

[Mr.Moffat]

I really don't think it is, just because the next gta might not continue the diamonds story(it really does'nt need to be continued), the next gta may be set in the past and not have any cameos from the IV cast of charcters.

 

Ya gta3, VC and SA were all in the same era, but they were'nt THAT connected, they had a few cameos and little easter eggs that made fans go oh cool, oh. there was no major plot points were explored that meant you HAD to play the other games. they were all self contained.

 

The next gta, could have no cameos, maybe a few winks to IV, but that doe'nt mean it's not the same era, A universe is large place.

 

Besides doe'nt each new era start when a new game engine is used?

 

first era

GTA1

london

London expansion

 

2nd era

GTA2

 

3rd era

GTA3

VC

SA

LCS

VCS

 

4th era

IV

DLC's

 

 

[jnzooger]

 

Besides doe'nt each new era start when a new game engine is used?

 

Not necessarily. To use your own list as an example, LCS and VCS were on a new engine from III, VC, and SA. And clearly Advance and CtW were different engines from their respective eras.

 

Also, since all Rockstar games in the foreseeable future are going to use RAGE, we can't define a GTA era on that anymore.

 

What era means in GTA is a series of interconnected stories defined by the first (numbered) game in the set.

[grope_4_that_date]

Yeah, Red Dead 3 will not come before GTA. Are you crazy?

 

On Topic: I think that IV is over. GTAIV already

had a trilogy Niko - Johnny - Luis. Also, Rockstar will probably

want to advertise a fresh new title with GTAV. If people heard

it was GTAIV 2, it wouldn't go good for Rockstar. Although it was

a great game, some say it wasn't their best. I think they need

a title like GTA5 to redeem themselves.

 

[Germanshepardlover]

If rockstar makes another gta they should make it with a Mic so whatever you say in free mode it will say it in the persons voice and you should be able to buy a cop outfit and pull ppl over and arrest them and all tut good stuff

Edited February 12, 2011 by Germanshepardlover

[Magic_Al]

I think the concept of "eras" comes more from fans than Rockstar. The main reason GTA IV needed to break continuity was because Rockstar wanted design Liberty City from scratch. Starting a new "era" wasn't the goal, it was the excuse. If story ideas for the next GTA don't conflict with anything in GTA IV, they don't need to hit the reset button again.

[TrevorSpeed914]

I think the concept of "eras" comes more from fans than Rockstar. The main reason GTA IV needed to break continuity was because Rockstar wanted design Liberty City from scratch. Starting a new "era" wasn't the goal, it was the excuse. If story ideas for the next GTA don't conflict with anything in GTA IV, they don't need to hit the reset button again.

I like that idea...

 

However, I'm gunning for a dilapidated, dark Vice City. Before San Andreas came out, I just kept imagining Vice City in 1992, with the shiny ocean darker with oil, the old neon signs off or replaced, the buildings darker with age, etc, and with REM's Drive playing in the background. I didn't feel as though it was the nineties in San Andreas, actually...

 

 

[ViceDiaz]

vice city will always have neon dude.lol.Miami today still hasn't changed since the 80s.

 

But anyway.Rockstar is always good when it comes to suprises.lets wait and see.

[PacketOverload_x64bit]

Yeah, Red Dead 3 will not come before GTA. Are you crazy?

 

On Topic: I think that IV is over. GTAIV already

had a trilogy Niko - Johnny - Luis. Also, Rockstar will probably

want to advertise a fresh new title with GTAV. If people heard

it was GTAIV 2, it wouldn't go good for Rockstar. Although it was

a great game, some say it wasn't their best. I think they need

a title like GTA5 to redeem themselves.

Niko, Packie and Roman wiped out just about all the Mafia competition. They also smoked some Russians. The only folks left in power in my GTA IV experience/memory were Jacob, Packie, Niko and Roman with Badman bowing out of the spotlight and Brucie being a punk. The "Mafia Storyline" appeared to have been over.

 

Plot: Russian's returning to the city to hit back with paramilitary strength while Niko and Roman thought it was over? Niko and Roman singled out as "Crime Bosses" as they were the tip of the sword against the guineas. Government (with Michelle's contacts) covertly assisting Niko and Roman with intel, contacts and weaponry to maintain the balance of power in the region.

 

GTA IV Era could theoretically be far from over.

[TrevorSpeed914]

vice city will always have neon dude.lol.Miami today still hasn't changed since the 80s.

 

But anyway.Rockstar is always good when it comes to suprises.lets wait and see.

Either way... You get the general point.

[progdog]

Why do you all assume that R* have to follow previous 'traditional' trends. Who's to tell them they can't just make a new game, with new characters, improved gameplay/graphics and a brand new city. Just because they restarted the franchise in HD with Liberty city in IV, does not mean they will follow suit and head to Vice City, and then San Andreas. Every GTA fan seems to have those 2 cities stuck in their minds. Personally, i'd rather see something new. All I can say is be patient. Wait and bloody see.

[Finn 7 five 11]

 

Yeah, Red Dead 3 will not come before GTA. Are you crazy?

 

On Topic: I think that IV is over. GTAIV already

had a trilogy Niko - Johnny - Luis. Also, Rockstar will probably

want to advertise a fresh new title with GTAV. If people heard

it was GTAIV 2, it wouldn't go good for Rockstar. Although it was

a great game, some say it wasn't their best. I think they need

a title like GTA5 to redeem themselves.

Niko, Packie and Roman wiped out just about all the Mafia competition. They also smoked some Russians. The only folks left in power in my GTA IV experience/memory were Jacob, Packie, Niko and Roman with Badman bowing out of the spotlight and Brucie being a punk. The "Mafia Storyline" appeared to have been over.

 

Plot: Russian's returning to the city to hit back with paramilitary strength while Niko and Roman thought it was over? Niko and Roman singled out as "Crime Bosses" as they were the tip of the sword against the guineas. Government (with Michelle's contacts) covertly assisting Niko and Roman with intel, contacts and weaponry to maintain the balance of power in the region.

 

GTA IV Era could theoretically be far from over.

grop_4_that_date, how will putting the letter V after the game redeem themselves? Also what is there to redeem? GTA IV was a critics success like the other gta's, although many gamers have mixed feelings it still is a good game.

 

@PacketOVerload_x64Bit

 

You know the next GTA can still be in the IV era and not involve any of the characters from GTA IV, and it will not be in Liberty city again, it will have a new story with a new protagonist, and a new city, it may have some characters from IV but probably not many, and it is unlikely that Roman or niko will have any role in the next game.

 

Also Roman cannot appear in the next game because (spoiler to do with the ending of IV) Roman may have died depending on whether you took the deal or the revenge in the second last mission

 

There you have it.

[jnzooger]

I think the concept of "eras" comes more from fans than Rockstar. The main reason GTA IV needed to break continuity was because Rockstar wanted design Liberty City from scratch. Starting a new "era" wasn't the goal, it was the excuse. If story ideas for the next GTA don't conflict with anything in GTA IV, they don't need to hit the reset button again.

The whole era thing comes from each set of stories starting with a numbered game. That is directly from Rockstar. Otherwise the next GTA would be GTA XV (15).

[TrevorSpeed914]

Why do you all assume that R* have to follow previous 'traditional' trends. Who's to tell them they can't just make a new game, with new characters, improved gameplay/graphics and a brand new city. Just because they restarted the franchise in HD with Liberty city in IV, does not mean they will follow suit and head to Vice City, and then San Andreas. Every GTA fan seems to have those 2 cities stuck in their minds. Personally, i'd rather see something new. All I can say is be patient. Wait and bloody see.

I think you're missing the point of this forum: We are discussing what we want, what we think will happen, and we have nothing to base our hypothesis on other than what Rockstar has already done before. We're on a message board; we don't have to be patient.

 

That being said, I'd love something new if it were... New. Another big city wouldn't suffice, really. What made Vice City and San Andreas unique is that they were not New York, Boston, etc. I don't even think modern London would be a big change. If they do something new, I say, do a smaller town, not a city. Include multiple small towns, what have you, but I like the Blue Velvet/David Lynch style of bring trouble to a small, quiet town. There's illegal underground stuff in every town, so a city isn't always necessary.

[PacketOverload_x64bit]

I just can't see myself playing GTA again without Niko. Honestly, I bought EFLC but I haven't played it at all because the storylines and characters just irritated me. Niko was a grand-slam character-wise. Maybe in part because they had the same guy doing the mo-cap and the voice at the same time. I dunno.

 

TBOGT and TLAD were wasted money for me - I hope the do something exclusively with Niko in V.

[jnzooger]

Maybe in part because they had the same guy doing the mo-cap and the voice at the same time. I dunno.

I do believe the same is true with Johnny and Luis.

[cjfan_]

Note: I think this is a valid argument.

 

There are more reasons for "GTA: Next" to be in the IV generation than starting a whole new universe. I can't even think of a good reason right now why they'd name it GTA5.

 

There are many things Rockstar foreshadowed... things that could only exist in the IV generation (not including all of the character development that would be lost). Imagine not seeing Brucie, Tony, Packie, or any of the characters ever again!

 

Remember:

 

• Niko's ticket to San Andreas.

• Showing Patrick McReary going on a westbound flight.

• Countless mentions of other cities.

Put Niko into San Andreas

[TrevorSpeed914]

I just can't see myself playing GTA again without Niko. Honestly, I bought EFLC but I haven't played it at all because the storylines and characters just irritated me. Niko was a grand-slam character-wise. Maybe in part because they had the same guy doing the mo-cap and the voice at the same time. I dunno.

 

TBOGT and TLAD were wasted money for me - I hope the do something exclusively with Niko in V.

I enjoyed playing as Johnny; not so much Luis since he's your enemy in IV. That was redundant, really.

 

I'd like to see Niko in another game. However, I hear more and more people say they want a new this and that, and no old characters can or should come back. I predict we may even see some GTA 3 Era characters come back sometime, though.

[Jabalous]

I have made a point regarding this topic in another thread, so I just want to quote it here for anyone who wants to discuss it:

 

 

Someone needs to ask this, with the increasing of games budget and the advancement of technology, will we reach to a generation of consoles in which there will be only one GTA game? I can already this happening starting from the current generation. It's not like if GTA VI will prove our belief of a pattern that Rockstar is following, that it will be correspondent of GTA III era in terms of the number of major releases.

 

Most of us believe that GTA IV is correspondent of GTA I which had one major game with two additional contents, but something is missing here which is GTA IV had Chinatown Wars for a portable device, whilst GTA 1 hadn't. The belief continues by predicting that GTA next is going to open V era, it will be a standalone title the same as GTA II. This belief needs to continue by predicting GTA VI to be correspondent to GTA III, which means that when it releases, it should be followed by three major GTA releases, which in my point of view something that's not going to happen if we take in consideration the factor that I stated in the previous paragraph, adding to it the fact that by that time Rockstar will be having a more diverse profitable portfolio, so they won't gives GTA their all care as much as they did on the past generation of consoles as a good example.

[LilAndy94]

Make it different. Something that people will think it's the last Grand theft auto, whether it is or not. Also, I know this isnt this topic but the character should be able to change clothes, not like GTA IV where it was outfits, where the character could change its t shirt, hoodie, jacket, shorts, trousers, socks, shoes etc. I also think the character should be able to have tattoos and go to the gym again as that created stamina and health which seems a little more realistic.

[Jimmarn]

I feel pretty sure of this aswell, I dont see any reason to take it to a new era allready. So my guess is to see some new cities in the IV era. Prabably some good ol'ones.

A new, bigger Vice City would be cool. Or like Florida, with multiple cities as Vice City and new ones around (Cuz Vice City is Miami right?)

[KORNBREAD]

Remember:

 

• Niko's ticket to San Andreas.

• Showing Patrick McReary going on a westbound flight.

 

I don't believe the IV generation is over. IV can't be only one city; there is more to IV than solely Liberty City. Such as: ___ ___

sounds good to me.

I've really been wanting to see a return to SAN ANDREAS, although i dont much care for NIKO but it would be interesting to see how he interacts with gangs such as THE GROVE STREET FAMILIES and the BALLAS

[LilAndy94]

I agree, or perhaps have turf/gang wars in a different state/country. To be honest, I think most people are just hoping for another San Andreas with the modern day graphics lol.