The IV Generation Is Not Over!

[GKP]

Its quite clear that what makes a GTA 'generation' such as GTA1/2/London - GTA3/VC/SA - GTA4 (DLC) - Next game is the tech that they appear on. The PS1 could support a top down view with some tech improvements as time went on. The PS2 had the muscle for a 3D world- again with improvements, SA having twice the onscreen polys for example. The PS3 could support ( barely) HDR lighting, phyics etc, the PS3 cannot be pushed that much further technically, expect a improved game engine for the next GTA but still very much a GTA4-esqu experience.

 

The next game will be GTA ..city name

[jnzooger]

@GKP: No, actually what makes an era of GTA is the interconnected stories/maps. It just happens that they change that up with the main game's engine. Also, the engine doesn't make the era because intra-era GTA3, there were 3 major engines alone. (Renderware for III-SA, a GBA engine for Adv, and an in house Rockstar Leeds custom psp engine for the Stories.)

 

Oh, and GTA2 was a different engine from GTA1, and different gameplay. GTA1 and the Londons had no save feature, no respect meter, etc.

 

So yeah, the next game could be IV-era still, and have exactly the same style gameplay as IV, and some of the same characters, or it could be a new era on the same consoles with a radical change in characters, gameplay, etc.

 

Even though RAGE is Rockstar's engine from now to the foreseeable future, but that doesn't mean they are stuck in one era for the foreseeable future.

[valensim]

no it's not over

[GKP]

Jnzooger - sure - although as you say there were engine differences - it is the power of the particular console generation that to me makes an 'era' - without a significant visual upgrade I'd suggest the next game will still be a GTA4 game. The PS4 will bring yet again another huge generational leap like what we saw from SA to IV. Infact, anyone play SA recently ? - cripes it feels old ! (still fun though)

[Sam998]

Unlike a lot of people on here i don't think the PS4 or Xbox 361 is coming anytime soon.

 

Good to see more posts lol

[TheBlackProject]

To be honest, I don't even know why the whole sub-forum is called GTA V, they should have kept it as GTA NeXT or whatever it was. But no, they shouldn't go straight to GTA V, not to mention a waste of effort and time making GTA IV. But if they go straight to GTA V it wouldn't surprise me, R* really shouldn't have made those two alternate endings, it should've just been one ending. But if the GTA IV era continues, then the next GTA will most likely lead to Roman's death rather than Kate's death because it would make sense IMO. But that also means that probably won't happen, because of the GTA IV ending there will be a GTA before the times of GTA IV if they follow GTA IV era. I mean GTA III was the last time for GTA III era.

 

f*ckING sh*t!

[Dingdongs]

To be honest, I don't even know why the whole sub-forum is called GTA V, they should have kept it as GTA NeXT or whatever it was. But no, they shouldn't go straight to GTA V, not to mention a waste of effort and time making GTA IV. But if they go straight to GTA V it wouldn't surprise me, R* really shouldn't have made those two alternate endings, it should've just been one ending. But if the GTA IV era continues, then the next GTA will most likely lead to Roman's death rather than Kate's death because it would make sense IMO. But that also means that probably won't happen, because of the GTA IV ending there will be a GTA before the times of GTA IV if they follow GTA IV era. I mean GTA III was the last time for GTA III era.

 

f*ckING sh*t!

Yeah I agree with you on that. I don't see why it's named GTA V when we don't even know if it's going to be called GTA V.

 

[Mr.Moffat]

gta v is just easiest, hell people called SA gta4 before we knew its name

Edited February 6, 2011 by Mr.Moffat

[Hitman843]

I remember when GTA3 came out,most people were like"Woah man this is the best game ever!!!",and nowadays"Oh man that game sucks dick,your and idiot of you play it"Why ? just why ?

[Guanxi]

The Sony NGP is right around the corner right(?) and R* Leeds's last project was CTW which debuted in early 2009. Given that we still haven't seen or heard a single thing about Agent at this point with Max Payne coming out this holiday I would wager that the next and last GTA project of this generation will be built for Sony NGP by the Leeds studio using existing assets from GTA IV running on a new portable edition of the RAGE engine. If this happens it will likely be released fall, 2012 and remain exclusive for a further 6-12 months before being ported over to the PS3, etc probably in April, 2013.

 

Edit: If this happens I reckon by the time it reaches the consoles that will be it for this generation. I firmly believe that we will see the next Xbox within 2 years and as such the next full blown GTA project for R* North after Agent will be for next gen consoles.

Edited February 6, 2011 by Guanxi

[grope_4_that_date]

You never know.

[Guanxi]

Repost from Repeated threat:

 

The Sony NGP is right around the corner right(?) and R* Leeds's last project was CTW which debuted in early 2009. Given that we still haven't seen or heard a single thing about Agent at this point with Max Payne coming out this holiday I would wager that the next and last GTA project of this generation will be built for Sony NGP by the Leeds studio using existing assets from GTA IV running on a new portable edition of the RAGE engine. If this happens it will likely be released fall, 2012 and remain exclusive for a further 6-12 months before being ported over to the PS3, etc probably in April, 2013.

 

If this happens I reckon by the time it reaches the consoles that will be it for this generation. I firmly believe that we will see the next Xbox within 2 years and as such the next full blown GTA project for R* North after Agent will be for next gen consoles.

 

Estimated TTWO Release Schedule for the next 5 years:

 

 

2008 Grand Theft Auto IV

2009 Grand Theft Auto: Episodes from Liberty City

2010 Red Dead Redemption, Undead Nightmare

2011 L.A. Noire, Max Payne 3

2012 Agent, Agent DLC, PSP2GTA

2013 PSP2GTA (PS3), Red Dead 3, RD3 Expansion Pack

2014 Grand Theft Auto V (Xbox 3, PS4 & PC),

2015 Episodes from Vice City (Xbox 3, PS4 & PC)

2016 L.A. Noire 2, Max Payne 4

2017 Agent 2, Agent DLC

Edited February 7, 2011 by Guanxi

[Sam998]

The Sony NGP is right around the corner right(?) and R* Leeds's last project was CTW which debuted in early 2009. Given that we still haven't seen or heard a single thing about Agent at this point with Max Payne coming out this holiday I would wager that the next and last GTA project of this generation will be built for Sony NGP by the Leeds studio using existing assets from GTA IV running on a new portable edition of the RAGE engine. If this happens it will likely be released fall, 2012 and remain exclusive for a further 6-12 months before being ported over to the PS3, etc probably in April, 2013.

 

Edit: If this happens I reckon by the time it reaches the consoles that will be it for this generation. I firmly believe that we will see the next Xbox within 2 years and as such the next full blown GTA project for R* North after Agent will be for next gen consoles.

I HIGHLY doubt we will see another xbox within two years. No chance.

 

However NGP is around the corner. That's another possibility. It would suck though because i don't like handhelds that much

[EnglishSepartist01]

First of all forget the games before GTA III. They were a different generation, different concept, and in total had nothing to do with the current games that have been released.

 

Infact, forget about GTA III altogether.

 

They revamped and remodelled Liberty City altogether. Saint Mark's as seen in SA wasn't even there. So thats killed off all possibilities of a repeat series based on GTA 1 & 2 as well as a return to SA.

 

So think like this, First there was Liberty City, then Vice City then San Andreas..

 

Last game featured a new look Liberty City, impressive as it was, it was a fail due to it being too dull. So if they are following a pattern, do you think they will continue the prose and make a new Vice City. It was heavily mentioned in all aspects of GTA IV.

 

Suggestions (yes they are only just suggestions) say that San Fierro and Las Venturas are perceived to be defunct as part of San Andreas. So even IF they are going to follow a new pattern by re-developing the old cities like Liberty City (lets face it, newer better platforms with more space, it had and could be done) will SA be different too? Will it exist?

 

I'd say maybe a modern day Vice City or California as Los Santos was the more focal point in SA and theres more to it. If Liberty City could be re-vamped beyond all recognition, imagine what Los Santos could be like. An actual fictual take on LA perhaps? California? Even Vice City?

 

What GTA has to do is rekindle its title to the main stay of the game. GRAND THEFT AUTO. Maybe make the new game to be the car crime capitol of the world. If so.. London? This needs to be done!

 

What ever it will be, It would most probably be named GTA V/5 as it was before, IV and we never knew it was going to be a new LC. So maybe in true Rockstar Fashion, they'll do that, have an un-named environment, with a new-look old one. Plenty of characters left from all 3 games.. CJ, Claude, Packie, Gerald, Jonny Klebitz, Nico etc.... Toreno... Truth, Maccer, Paul, Goldie, Madd Dogg, Wu Zi Mu, Caeser V. Kendl, Sweet, Big Bear.. Most of these characters either featured in Vice City or Los Santos.. with the latter in the new gen environment.. although tbh, there's no need for them. They were losers.

 

Although.. the new game, could be featured in a new aspect/angle. Biker gangs. That was widely received. They are rumoured to be sourcing locations in California. Yes the Lost are done. But only in Alderney. They did ride in Santos. So maybe as they have done with films for inspiration, they could do a Sons of Anarchy style situation. Grand Theft Auto doesn't only remit to car crime. All vehicles are involved, the more the greater the Grand Theft.

 

Mayve GTA V - Something to do with Bikers.. ? Just an overall thought.

Edited February 7, 2011 by EnglishSepartist01

[yoghurtcock]

actually, the III era wasnt really over in IV either( except for Liberty City). On the TV you can see plenty of footage from Las Venturas ( they show some sort of car race taking place in the las venturas airport; various casinos and peds with old graphics), Los Santos ( you can see the vinewood sign and that midget internet entrepreneur`s mansion with a jet parked in front of it), and there is an advert that parodies xtreme marketing where you can see cj skydiving, and there is a postcard from Vice City in comrade`s bar. San Fierro is the only city from previous games that isnt reffered to visually. And there`s of course radio personalities like lazlow and fernando, and various clothing and store brands, oh and og loc.

So in the end the only thing that will differentiate gta v from the gta III/IV universe will be the location or perhaps time when the game takes place.

[Dingdongs]

New xbox is at least 3-5 years away

[The DZA]

Actually, jnzooger & GKP, I believe that both of your theories are correct. R* probably takes both aspects into account, and then some.

[Magic_Al]

LOL at another Red Dead before another GTA. There's no way they're going to wait that long and it will be for current consoles and it will not be exclusive. Of course next-gen consoles are in development but nobody's in a hurry to move to a new generation as long as there is money to be made on this one. Microsoft and Sony go into the red for years when a new console comes out. This console generation was propelled partly by the coincidence of the transition from SDTV to HDTV and that's not happening again. It'll take a lot to look so much better than what we have that people feel they must upgrade. A next GTA on this generation might be BETTER than one for a new generation because of the maturity of the code allowing for better content than something that has to be reengineered.

[GKP]

I think we have 1 more GTA game - perhaps following on with one DLC package before the PS4 in 2014 ish

[Sam998]

..ug am i the only one who thinks the ps4/xbox 361 are at least 5 years away? theres just no reason to bring out another gen, do you really think that people are going to want to transfer all their saves/dlc/media to a new console? Next gen is ages away

 

 

Anyway 1 more gta game sounds possible to me. I'm pretty sure their not following a pattern btw because gta I came out in 1997

[Vega LVI]

I have yet to see confirmation of this, and GTA IV and two DLCs don't seem like a full Era to me. I mean the GTA III Era had GTA III GTA Vice City GTA San Andreas GTA Liberty City Stories and GTA Vice City Stories. And GTA San Andreas is bigger then the current GTA IV Era on it's own.

First of all, GTA IV has three DLC's: the Ballad of Gay Tony, the Lost and Damned and Chinatown Wars, but that's besides the point. I happen to believe that the GTA IV era is complete because GTAGeeks (official players of GTA) say that the place and the story is pretty much played out. And I agree. What else is there left to do? You took a role in the Russian Mob, Irish Mob, Italian Mob and the baddest criminals with Niko. You had a good run with the Ancelotti's and the life of Algonquin with Luis. You rode with the Lost MC and fought against the A.O.D. with Johnny. You also were involved with the Triads with Huang. I mean think about it, you've pretty much played out Dukes, Broker, Alderney, Algonquin and Bohan at least twice. What left can they do in Liberty City? All that's left is you murdering people by the Statue of Happiness. GTAGeeks has also confirmed that if Rockstar makes the setting in the next game different, it will be a great and wise decision; and I agree.

[Dingdongs]

Stonehead you're confused on many things. First of all, chinatown wars was not a DLC. It's a separate game for a separate console. It's not even downloadable. Second, you don't understand what an era is. The GTA III era is not just GTA III. It's all the games that share its storyline, that being Vice City, San Andreas, and the two PSP games. The stories all intertwine. For example, in San Andreas, we see many of the liberty city crime lords that appeared in III in Las Venturas. Vice city stories is the same vice city as the vice city in the base game. Same exact landscape and many of the same characters. Also, in san andreas, we see Claude making a cameo. This topic is about whether or not the next GTA will do what GTA IV did. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with the game taking place in liberty city again or not.

 

I hope that clears it up for you.

[Guanxi]

 

..ug am i the only one who thinks the ps4/xbox 361 are at least 5 years away? theres just no reason to bring out another gen, do you really think that people are going to want to transfer all their saves/dlc/media to a new console? Next gen is ages away

 

 

Anyway 1 more gta game sounds possible to me. I'm pretty sure their not following a pattern btw because gta I came out in 1997

Given the age of it's hardware, what little there is left to tap, the exhaustion of just about all of it's major first and third party titles and the position of just about any analyst on the subject that I've ever read we will be seeing the next Xbox by the end of 2013. It just doesn't have anything else to give (in respect to it's hardcore base) past that point - it's tapped out.

 

Can you see the Call of Duty franchise or Madden feasibly sustaining it's popularity on existing hardware for five more years?

[DrDean]

Rockstar's going to do what they did with GTA3. Improve on the engine for Vice City, release it. Improve on the Vice City engine for San Andreas, release it. They're going to improve GTA IV's engine (probably to the extent of what Red Dead Redemption is now, perhaps a little better) then release it.

 

Fun fact: L.A. Noire uses RAGE

[Vega LVI]

 

Stonehead you're confused on many things. First of all, chinatown wars was not a DLC. It's a separate game for a separate console. It's not even downloadable. Second, you don't understand what an era is. The GTA III era is not just GTA III. It's all the games that share its storyline, that being Vice City, San Andreas, and the two PSP games. The stories all intertwine. For example, in San Andreas, we see many of the liberty city crime lords that appeared in III in Las Venturas. Vice city stories is the same vice city as the vice city in the base game. Same exact landscape and many of the same characters. Also, in san andreas, we see Claude making a cameo. This topic is about whether or not the next GTA will do what GTA IV did. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with the game taking place in liberty city again or not.

 

I hope that clears it up for you.

I understand where you're coming, but I do happen to know what an era is. It's a series of games like GTA III, San Andreas, Vice City, Vice City Stories and Liberty City Stories. My point of bringing up the Liberty City setting is that it's my idea of saying that we're packing our bags and heading to a new location. If they do happen to make another GTA IV game it either has to be in Liberty City (if it does, everything has been experienced) or in another location (which is pretty pointless because it's easier to make GTA V fresh with a new setting, characters, etc. With the tradition of other GTA III and IV characters making their cameos.) Me saying that Liberty City is over is my way of saying that GTA IV is over. It is also my idea of saying what I believe the next GTA will be. Irviding, I also see what you mean about the Chinatown Wars and how it is not a DLC, but it is part of the IV era, making its mark.

 

I hope that clears up your confusion that you were confused about my confusing reply.

Edited February 9, 2011 by StoneHead37

[Gareth Alan Willmer]

 

I always hated this "new era" thing.It would have been better if GTAIV was set in the same universe or era with older GTA games.IMO

Amen Amen

 

I fully agree with you Ignoring and trying to phase out the GTA 3 era is one of the biggest mistakes Rockstar have made. If you look at the total popularity of the GTA 3 era which includes GTA 3, Vice City San Andreas and the stories series its way more popular than the popularity of the IV era.

 

Theres nothing stopping Rockstar doing a San Andreas Stories or an additional GTA game set in that universe seperate from GTA IVs universe. Anyway if they dont do something about this GTA 3 era being forgotten in the next generation of consoles I.E PS3 Xbox 360 then i along with a lot of GTA Fans will stop buying the new GTA's. The GTA IV different universe didnt do as well as it could of which proves the GTA 3 era should be continued.

 

Whos going to say no to having 2 new GTA games for the PS3/Xbox 360 instead of just one. By the way GTA IV is a good game and so is the dlcs no doubhts about that but compared to GTA 3 Vice City And San Andreas it just doesnt keep up with there level and success.

 

One last thing if Rockstar keep making Liberty City people will get fed up and remaking either Vice City or San Andreas will get people confused asking wheres Tommy Vercetti and CJ. Doing a Next gen version of the GTA 3 era and making an additional GTA will allow them to continue the GTA 3 era which holds more popularity and the GTA IV era could also be continued on another seperate GTA Game.

 

Its not rocket science just plain fact.

Edited February 9, 2011 by Gareth Alan Willmer

[jnzooger]

 

Fun fact: L.A. Noire uses RAGE

Fun fact, LA Noire does NOT use RAGE.

 

Rockstar Games presents Table Tennis, Grand Theft Auto IV, Midnight Club: Los Angeles, Grand Theft Auto: Episodes From Liberty City, Red Dead Redemption, and Max Payne 3 are so far the only games to use RAGE. Rockstar did not make LA Noire, so it makes sense that Team Bondi didn't use RAGE, and instead their own internal engine.

 

 

Its not rocket science just plain fact.

Actually dude, that is opinion. Rockstar knows that continuing a story to the point you kill it is a bad thing. After 6 games in the III-era, they knew it was time for a new story. They didn't ignore III-era at all, there is a reason you have all the easter eggs of III-era characters. They did the same thing in III with GTA and GTA2.

Edited February 9, 2011 by jnzooger

[Linki]

The 3 era is dead. Deal with it.

 

I also believe the 4 era is dead, I have a feeling we won't see a big new GTA till very late in this gens life.

[AceRay]

I think R* are going to do single games with their own single universes, maybe with some DLCs or something added on a little bit afterward.

[Capricornus]

I'd like to think that the GTA IV era isn't done yet. Let me apologize ahead of time because I may not know what I am talking about here.

 

Now, a lot of people are using the argument that the GTA IV era is over because it had the TLAD and BOGT DLCs. Well here is what I think, and it may be the obvious. The aforementioned DLCs were, more than likely, conceived to tie up some major "loose ends" in GTA IV, such as the whole situation with the diamonds and the "disappearance" of Luis and Johnny after the Museum Piece mission. Again, I know that I have probably stated the obvious.

 

Now, a small thing that has got me thinking that the GTA IV era is not over is this. Remember in Vanilla GTA IV, it was reported, via Weazel News, that a bum had found the diamonds and moved to Vice City or something like that? I do think that R* can take this story and run with it somehow someway. But then again that depends on whether they will move to VC or not in the next game. I will expand on this later, but I do think that there is a decent amount of room left to make another FULL game based on the whole GTA IV saga.