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bobgtafan

If you were president/leader

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bobgtafan

The title and desciption say it all but I'll expand.

 

If you were the leader of whatever nation it is you reside and let's just say you had unlimited power that's provided under your government's constitution, what actions would you take in these areas?

 

The role of government in

 

Basic Infrastructure-schools, bridges and ulities etc

Social Safety Nets- as unemployment benefits, public housing, disability benefits etc

Business-in trade between states/provinces and trade between nations

Regulation and Influence of Business-The amount of regulation, subsides or tariffs

Public Safety-Police, Reserves and Military Units stationed or fighting abroad

Laws-As far as the penatlies for crime and what is crime

Civil Rights-Gay Rights, Women Rights, Minority Rights etc

Foreign Affairs-The amount of interfenrce and interaction your government has with other nations as well as what type that is

The Surplus, Debt, and/or Deficit-Speaks for itself

Other-Anything you think that I missed.

 

Just to give you a feel about what this thread would look like I'll give you my example. After you post other forum members will likely critize how you would want your nation to operate or you could easily do the same. The point of this is to get away from the constant complaining always seen in this section of the forum and see what everyone would actually do about their situations. Try not to use vague terms like "I would restore freedom" or things along those lines.

 

If I was president of America I would quickly move towards the issue of economic growth and unemployment. To create jobs I would extend unemployment benefits and worker re-education programs. On the issue of import vs. export I would propose a spending freeze on the Federal Government, Raise Eligability for Social Security and Reduce it's benefits while at the same time take steps to privatize it in the future. I would also give subsizes to businesses which export goods and remove subsizes for businesses that are relocating. And I would push through congress the South Korean, Columbian, and Panama as well as take steps to open up more free trade between America, Europe and Japan.

 

As far as the spending freeze goes that would increase capital flows in delevoping nations to their own infrastructure growth which would then increase American exports to said nations. To further reduce the deficit and debt I would increase taxes on C02, Gasoline, Fast Food, The top 5 percent income earners, introduce a national sales tax and add a V.A.T's tax. With Gasoline Taxes higher from that point my top proitory would be energy effecicy as well as clean energy usage. The government would give out tax cuts and subsize clean energy companies as well as increase regulations on the car and truck industries. The gov. would push tougher environmental standards abroad and put pressure on China and India to reform.

 

As far as illegal immigration is concerned I would give amnesty to all non felon illegals, allow free movement between America, Canada and Mexico of all citizens and increase Central and South American immigration. With new workers and capital flows social security would be better supported as apposed to the current ratio of 3.2 workers per retiree. Billions would be invested by the government into helping states and local governments with budget shortfalls as well as reinvest in education, roads and bridges. Nasa would be told to set it's sights on Mars by 2025 and 100 billion over the next 15 years would be spent towards that goal. The United States would act mutlilaterally and push to keep our same number of troops in Japan and South Korea.

 

I would reaffirm the U.S's commenment to Afghanistan and would increase aid and work with the Afghan government to increase tariffs on agricultural goods. The U.S would give more in aid to Afghanistan, Yemen and would start giving aid to The democratic government of Somililand.

We would also continue moving troops out of Iraq and make plans to make perament bases in Afghanistan to insure regional stability. The U.S would ask E.U and Nato nations to give more non-combat troops to Afghanistan. I would immenditely push for more financial regulation and more regulation overall in many sectors of the economy.

 

Can't wait to see everyone elses.

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Iminicus

If I was the leader of NZ......

 

I would get rid of Goods and Services Tax ( GST ) on basic food stuffs. This would be limited to: fresh fruit and vegetables, meat products ( non processed ), Milk, bread, cheese.

 

I would get rid of personal income tax. This would put more money into people's pockets.

 

I would take bids for the mining of Conservation Land in New Zealand, which is estimated to contain $5 billion in gold, coal and other resources. I would also, expand the Taranaki Oil Fields and encourage the development of NZ's natural gas fields.

 

I would curb unnecessary Government spending. I would do this by limiting Work and Income and the Benefit for unemployed people.

 

I would stop Accidents Compensation Corporation ( ACC ) from providing for foreigners who come to NZ without travel insurance.

 

I would get rid of surcharges on petrol that have been around since the 70's for roads long built.

 

I would encourage private sector growth by lowering Corporate taxes. I would re evaluate many restrictive rules and regulations in place.

 

I'd re draw the voting district lines. NZ has 120 representatives, which is 30 to many. Some districts are over represented per populace.

 

I would write a Constitution for New Zealand and declare New Zealand the Republic of New Zealand. However, I would follow through on joining Australia's economic power by adopting the Australia Dollar as the new currency of New Zealand.

 

As New Zealand, claims to be clean and green, I would look at the newest generation of Nuclear power plants instead of relying on coal plants made in the 50's.

 

I'd open up free trade talks with the United States, including allowing US warships back into NZ waters.

 

 

 

These are just a few things I would do. I have many more items but can't seem to be bothered writing them down.

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Ari Gold

I posted this last year in a topic regarding what I would do as President of the US, even though I'm not American (although I do hope to move there some day in the future).

 

 

• Legalise and regulate Marijuana.

• Include a public option in a healthcare bill.

• Make education a priority, and pour more funds into the system.

• Provide subsidies to companies who don't outsource, and in turn raise the minimum wage. This would be one of few involvements the government has with financial institutions.

• Never bail out auto manufacturers or struggling banks unless it's going to have an ardent affect on the economy; I'm not going to turn the government into a bank.

• Pull troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan and place more peace-keepers in Sudan.

• Work strenuously with both Israelis and Palestinians into the formation of a Palestinian state, with a fair compromise between the two parties.

• Continue to negotiate with North Korea and Iran.

• Revoke recognition of the independence of Kosovo.

 

As for my own country, Australia, I would:

 

• Introduce legislation which would place a public toilet on every block of every commercial area of the country, employing people to clean and maintain it regularly.

• Reduce military funding and direct more funds to education, to be used for useful purposes.

• Reduce social welfare and tighten its eligibility, and tighten disability welfare eligibility.

• Develop free-trade agreements with the People's Republic of China, Japan and the United Kingdom.

• Reduce company tax to no more than 15% of an Australian-owned company's (public or private) revenue, and 20% of the revenue of a foreign-owned company.

• Introduce a flat-tax rate of 10% on income tax.

• Remove suspended sentencing from all charges and replace it with jail time (i.e. if someone is sentenced to a three-year suspended sentence, simply chuck him in jail for three years).

• Legalise the recognition and application of gay-marriage and gay-unions to same-sex couples and allow them the same marital rights as 'traditional' couples.

• Introduce an immigration cap which changes every five years based on population figures, growth and birth rate.

• Reform border protection through reducing the number of possible refugee-residencies and ensure that all illegal boats entering Australian shores be led to a larger detention facility on Christmas Island.

• Only enter conflicts where we are BOUND to enter as a result of treaties and doctrines which the Commonwealth has already signed.

• Consistently aim to maintain a budget surplus.

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bobgtafan

 

• Introduce legislation which would place a public toilet on every block of every commercial area of the country, employing people to clean and maintain it regularly.

I'm not aware of the state of toliets in Australia's commerical areas but is your plan to create the toliets for the public good or just to employ janitors?

 

 

Reduce social welfare and tighten its eligibility, and tighten disability welfare eligibility.

What social programs would you like to see reduced?

 

 

Introduce a flat-tax rate of 10% on income tax.

This one I generally disagree with, how is it far to take 10 percent from a poor man who's barely getting by and now presumalbly get's less in welfare but take 10 percent from a man with a golden toliet? If you take 10 from the poor man he'll struggle if you take it from the rich and that guy will be able to buy just one less pair of shoes made out of the tears of of homeless people. Lmao but you get the point.

 

Besides that, I have little to no knowledge on the state of Australian politics, culture, and economy so the rest sounds good to me.

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Ari Gold

 

I'm not aware of the state of toliets in Australia's commerical areas but is your plan to create the toliets for the public good or just to employ janitors?

 

For the public good; every time I go down-town in Melbourne (like I plan to do later today), I always eventually develop the need to piss. Once, my friend and I were looking for a public toilet in the central business district for more then an hour. In the end, I had walked more than a few kilometres looking inside almost every alley, arcade and shopping complex and in the end I had to go to a f*cking train station in order to take a piss. And if I happened to sneak into a private corner in an alley, some policeman would come out of nowhere and give me a $150 fine for f*cking public lewdness! It's astonishing.

 

Besides, it'll create more jobs for the cleaners.

 

 

What social programs would you like to see reduced?

 

Centrelink, the main welfare program in Australia. Tightening its eligibility will ensure that people consistently try harder to look for a job (at the moment I think you only have to apply for one job a week or something) so they can't complain later on that they "can't find work" and then happily go to Centrelink to collect their $250 a week with huge, smug grins on their faces. I know a lot of people who do this, including one of my distant relatives, and it kind of annoys me when he says, "Why do I need to work when I still get paid every fortnight?"

 

It's more to do with curbing general laziness rather than aiding unemployment, but through this there will be higher demand in the workforce, which makes the market more competitive.

 

As for disability-welfare eligibility, I also know people who (and have heard scenarios about how people) go to a doctor, make a claim on an injury suffered at work then go to a WorkCover centre and collect their money to help their injury. Yet, a lot of people will amplify the injury like hypochondriacs and claim the money more for themselves rather than for their injury. There needs to be a more developed system of checks and balances and tighter regulation for doctors to use before essentially being forced under law to claim an injury under WorkCover.

 

 

This one I generally disagree with, how is it far to take 10 percent from a poor man who's barely getting by and now presumalbly get's less in welfare but take 10 percent from a man with a golden toliet? If you take 10 from the poor man he'll struggle if you take it from the rich and that guy will be able to buy just one less pair of shoes made out of the tears of of homeless people. Lmao but you get the point.

 

Most taxes are like that anyway; they take an equal proportion of every worker's pay. It's hardly unfair as everyone is paying the same percentage of their income. A man who earns $15,000 a year will be paying $1,500 a year in taxes, which is the same proportion as a man who makes $200,000 a year and pays $20,000 in taxes. There's a big difference in the two figures so to be honest I hardly see how that can be made better/worse.

 

Besides, if the government curbs spending on useless sh*t like knocking down buildings in schools only to replace them with ugly, barrack-like sheds then they can still maintain a budget surplus with low taxes.

 

 

Besides that, I have little to no knowledge on the state of Australian politics, culture, and economy so the rest sounds good to me.

 

We're like America 2.0 except way more left. tounge.gif

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bobgtafan

Well you'd make a very good prime minister. I still think that the tax system should be more progressive, but your tales of welfare abuse also ring true here in America. There does need to be a general tighting of welfare benefits, but sometimes no matter how hard you make benefits to get some people are just going to be lazy. BTW you should really start a petition or something for those toliets, that's a big problem.

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Icarus

 

I would get rid of Goods and Services Tax ( GST ) on basic food stuffs. This would be limited to: fresh fruit and vegetables, meat products ( non processed ), Milk, bread, cheese.

That's strange because in Canada, all those things are exempt from the GST. I guess each country has their own idea of taxation.

 

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If I were to become the leader of Canada, I would of course have a few things to do.

 

First and foremost, I would break away from the Commonwealth and establish the Office of the President. In other words, Queen Elizabeth II would no longer be the head of state of Canada. For official purposes, the name of Canada would actually be the Federal Republic of Canada (although if I wanted to be a true dictator, I could do the DPRK style and call it the Democratic People's Republic of Canada) to reflect the federal constituencies of the provinces and territories and of course, to emphasize the status of Canada being a republic.

 

The main issue with that is because all of our laws are written in the name of the Monarch, they would have to be updated, modified and all that, which of course, costs millions of taxpayer dollars.

 

Second, to reflect Canada's secular state (we are actually a secular state, technically), I would remove the following sentence from the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, the preamble:

 

"Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law"

 

because what about those people that do not believe in "god"? Or what about those who do not believe in the Christian "god" but some other deity? It would be best for the federal government to remain neutral (i.e. secular) on matters of religion. I would not turn Canada into an atheist state (like Enver Hoxha did with Albania back in the day).

 

Third, I would have to make reforms in the justice system because honestly, the justice system in Canada is absolute crap. People are committing murder and getting off the hook so easily. In Canada, the most severe punishment you can get (for something like first degree murder) is life in prison with no chance of parole for 25 years (and after 25 years, you can re-apply for parole every two years until you die). The most severe punishment should technically be death (more to come on this point) but if not that, then life in prison should be life in prison with no parole. If you kill a family in cold blood, you should NEVER be given the chance to get parole (although your likely odds of getting it are slim to none).

 

On the point of death, I would actually reinstate capital punishment in Canada, but only for the most serious offenses:

1. First-degree murder;

2. Second-degree murder;

3. All sexual offenses (i.e. molestation, rape)

4. Any serious offense against a person under the age of 18 or over the age of 65 (it's hard to define serious, but it has to be pretty damn repulsive).

 

A few years ago, I read an article in MacLean's magazine that said, on average, it costs about $80,000/year to keep a prisoner alive (you know, to protect him, feed him and all that). If you have serial rapists and murders overcrowding the prison and since they're probably not going to be released back into general society anyways, it would just be easier to take them out back and shoot them in the head (or whatever humane way one would suggest). The money you could save would be something to save for the future in the event of an economy crisis or something that just "springs" up.

 

Of course, when applying the death penalty, one has to be incredibly careful to ensure the right person is being punished, because killing an innocent person would never be acceptable. How I would see it being is that you would be charged in the court of first instance where the sentence would be imposed. If you do not agree with it, you can make your appeal to the provincial court of appeal and if you're lucky and they agree to hear it, you might be spared. If, however, they uphold the sentence, you can either accept their decision or try and get leave to appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada. If they hear your appeal and overturn it, you just get life in prison instead of death. If they uphold the sentence, then your appeals process is over and the Warrant of Execution would be sent to the president (i.e. me) and signed and you would be immediately executed for your crime(s) against the state.

 

On justice again, I would also make some amendments to the Youth Criminal Justice Act because nowadays, so many youths are committing crimes and they barely get a slap on the wrist. With the amendments, youths would be held accountable for their crimes (granted, we're not going to send a 16-year-old to federal prison unless they commit murder or something quite grave) and will learn through various means (not fines, though, since most youths would have a hard time paying) such as spending time in a youth detention facility or possibly a corrective work order (which would be a good way to help them learn from their crimes).

 

The last thing I can think of right now that comes to mind concerns immigration. Canada receives a lot of immigrants each year and the problem is that a lot of them just come here to milk the system because we are too afraid to kick people out (unlike the United States). One major issue is that many people will flood into Canada and claim refugee status when they have no reason to; there are legitimate refugee claims, but there are enough bogus claims too. More background checks will have to be done on these people to see if their story checks out; if they are falsely claiming refugee status, they will be deported and barred from ever entering Canada again.

 

The reason I would be strict on that point is anyone claiming refugee status automatically gets money from the government to help themselves establish in Canada and if someone is making a false claim, why should they be entitled to public funds?

 

Another problem with people immigrating to Canada is that they will apply for citizenship and come in on legitimate grounds and once they do get citizenship status, they just become lazy and start leeching off the system (i.e. welfare). Current Canadian law says you cannot deport a citizen (even if they were not born in Canada), however, I would amend that. If you are not a natural-born Canadian citizen and you apply for citizenship and it is granted to you, you will be on a probationary period for 7 years. If in that time it does not look like you are making a serious attempt to work, you will be stripped of citizenship and deported by the Canada Border Services Agency. This, of course, will have exemptions (i.e. if you become disabled).

 

I likely have other things I would like to do, but I cannot think of anything else. This is a good start for me.

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bobgtafan

@ Icarus

You seem to be a conservative, you voted for...whats his name Stephen Harper? That tougher on crime thing seems to be right out of his whole camapaign focus. In any case...

 

 

Third, I would have to make reforms in the justice system because honestly, the justice system in Canada is absolute crap. People are committing murder and getting off the hook so easily. In Canada, the most severe punishment you can get (for something like first degree murder) is life in prison with no chance of parole for 25 years (and after 25 years, you can re-apply for parole every two years until you die). The most severe punishment should technically be death (more to come on this point) but if not that, then life in prison should be life in prison with no parole. If you kill a family in cold blood, you should NEVER be given the chance to get parole (although your likely odds of getting it are slim to none).

 

On the point of death, I would actually reinstate capital punishment in Canada, but only for the most serious offenses:

1. First-degree murder;

2. Second-degree murder;

3. All sexual offenses (i.e. molestation, rape)

4. Any serious offense against a person under the age of 18 or over the age of 65 (it's hard to define serious, but it has to be pretty damn repulsive).

 

A few years ago, I read an article in MacLean's magazine that said, on average, it costs about $80,000/year to keep a prisoner alive (you know, to protect him, feed him and all that). If you have serial rapists and murders overcrowding the prison and since they're probably not going to be released back into general society anyways, it would just be easier to take them out back and shoot them in the head (or whatever humane way one would suggest). The money you could save would be something to save for the future in the event of an economy crisis or something that just "springs" up.

 

 

I'm with you on most of that except 2 things. First the pushinments should be stronger (I'm really tough on crime) and Second it cost about the same to keep a prisoner on death row. Why? Well look at what you wrote.

Of course, when applying the death penalty, one has to be incredibly careful to ensure the right person is being punished, because killing an innocent person would never be acceptable. How I would see it being is that you would be charged in the court of first instance where the sentence would be imposed. If you do not agree with it, you can make your appeal to the provincial court of appeal and if you're lucky and they agree to hear it, you might be spared. If, however, they uphold the sentence, you can either accept their decision or try and get leave to appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada. If they hear your appeal and overturn it, you just get life in prison instead of death. If they uphold the sentence, then your appeals process is over and the Warrant of Execution would be sent to the president (i.e. me) and signed and you would be immediately executed for your crime(s) against the state.

 

Going through the court system and appealing and all that sh*t takes an insane amount of time. Why do you think America executes so few people? Not only that but it's not that big of a deterrent, on the streets selling drugs or whatever you have a higher chance of death. Appeals here can take 20 years, it would be the same in Canada. Just go for more police, more intergrated security services and longer sentences. The Death Penalty is a waste of money.

 

As far as immigration goes I generally disagree, hell the delevoped world is going through an age crisis, the last thing you want to do is kick out the young, energtic immigrants while your old people all want penisons. Just think about it man, I mean sure no criminals in but high amounts of immigrantion overall are good.

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Icarus

Stephen Harper is the current Prime Minister and yes, he is head of the Conservative Party of Canada. In the last federal election, I actually did not vote for him; I voted for the New Democratic Party (moderate) which, later, I began to regret (although they didn't win in my riding, so I don't care).

 

Politically, I stand on the conservative side for specific issues (as you can tell, justice) but others, I would tend to be a bit more on the left, although close to the center. I was raised in a very conservative family, so I probably had a bit of that rub off onto me.

 

You're right that Harper is taking a tough on crime stance, but he pushes things beyond the limit. I would like some reform to the justice system and actually make a few changes for the good (the death penalty wouldn't exactly be a change for the good) but he just wants to make everything illegal.

 

People in the gay community are actually surprised he hasn't tried to scrap the Civil Marriages Act (which allows same-sex marriages) because he, along with most of the Conservative party, were against it and were fuming when it received Royal Assent in July 2005. I, for one, would keep that because I have no problem with same-sex marriages or civil unions - you can't fight love.

 

You are right about keeping a prisoner on death row costing about the same, but for me, if I were to bring back capital punishment to Canada, the execution would take place as soon as possible (pending appeals). If the person did not wish to appeal, they would just be killed then - no waiting on death row for 20 years, thus saving money. Granted, there are many flaws with what I proposed; my suggestion was more limited to the ideal case (the "perfect" world).

 

For immigration, I might not have made my point very clear. I am not against all immigration, because let's face it, immigrants are the life blood in both of our countries and do all the jobs none of the actual citizens want to do. My problem is with the immigrants that come in solely to leech off the system and give nothing back, because in all honesty, why should they benefit from the system when they do nothing?

 

I would like to curb immigration in the sense of keeping out the lazy immigrants (the ones that the second they get Canadian citizenship just decide to sit on their ass). The ones who want to work and contribute to Canadian society, I say bring them over by the plane load, because we need more people like that, especially when we have enough of our own citizens who are lazy (and with that, if our own citizens are lazy, we don't need immigrants who are lazy too).

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I'd probably make a pass at the Queen, smoke crack at PMQs, whip the party whips- those dirty s&m freaks that they are, instruct MI5 to weed out all political dissidents or as I call them voters, then insure my firm grip over the state before moving the house of Lords to a giant wendy house somewhere in the English channel on a boat with no engines or sails. And finally I would invite Dave Milliband to join me as his political goals are exactly as I have laid out apart from the smoking crack thing, he is more of an LSD on eyeball kinda guy. So lets hope he is in government soon - I think the Queen would love it!

 

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Morrissey.

I'd make much culture centres. And would generate ideas to get terror down.

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Tyler

Well I am not a politician, so I don't see how I would be in this situation, but I would probably,

 

Quickly pass a bill requiring any vehicle on the streets to be able to get at least 30mpg. This would spark debate on American life, but would slowly encourage either healthier cars, different private business pushing new fuel sources, and people riding bikes and walking more.

 

Re-enact any space programs Obama suspended, and fund them ultimately with as much money as Congress allows. I would also push private business to make usage of space exploration.

 

Hopefully by doing this, generate more jobs for the average citizen by implementing higher degree of education, free collage classes, and boosting learning values.

 

Plan for a test launch back to the moon, and keeping a group of Astronauts on the moon for two months, to see if humans are ready to be far away from Earth for extended time.

 

The previous points will help these next ones...

 

Organize Launches to Mars when the next orbital cycle aligns us with Mars, and prepare for extended communication with astronauts as they report on their sights. As they leave they also leave behind their portable and disposable living quarter's on Mars, so the next crew to arrive can do the same, eventually leaving enough for a small colony.

 

Extend gratitude to Russia for helping with space efforts and further diplomatic relations with them.

 

Slowly pull troops out of the middle east, signing preparations for Russian intervention.

 

Open up ports with Cuba, and start trade again, by offering older Automobiles to them peace.

 

Make Citizenship in America only require knowing the English language, gaining rights, and denouncing citizenship to other countries for the next 10 years.

 

Allow illegal citizens of America to gain health benefits only after applying for Citizenship, and learning the basic English Language.

 

Push for large colonization of the Moon over time, and eventually allow private companies to venture to Mars.

 

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I am sure by then eight years will have passed, so I will pass on all responsibilities to the next in line. Hopefully I made everyone happy.

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Quickly pass a bill requiring any vehicle on the streets to be able to get at least 30mpg. This would spark debate on American life, but would slowly encourage either healthier cars, different private business pushing new fuel sources, and people riding bikes and walking more.

 

..........

 

I am sure by then eight years will have passed, so I will pass on all responsibilities to the next in line. Hopefully I made everyone happy.

 

 

Lamest law ever. Old cars are the only vehicles left with any dignity and/or identity on the road anymore.

 

The rest of that was fairly decent, except the sh*t about the Russians.

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Quickly pass a bill requiring any vehicle on the streets to be able to get at least 30mpg. This would spark debate on American life, but would slowly encourage either healthier cars, different private business pushing new fuel sources, and people riding bikes and walking more.

 

..........

 

I am sure by then eight years will have passed, so I will pass on all responsibilities to the next in line. Hopefully I made everyone happy.

 

 

Lamest law ever. Old cars are the only vehicles left with any dignity and/or identity on the road anymore.

 

The rest of that was fairly decent, except the sh*t about the Russians.

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Believe me I agree with you off the record, but to try and make everyone happy I would have to do something about saving gasoline (Even if it is just masking it by saying we will use less).

 

As for the Russian thing, I see them as a major power, so I would want them to be on good terms with us. Just in case the future called for an ally.

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Well I am not a politician, so I don't see how I would be in this situation, but I would probably,

 

Quickly pass a bill requiring any vehicle on the streets to be able to get at least 30mpg. This would spark debate on American life, but would slowly encourage either healthier cars, different private business pushing new fuel sources, and people riding bikes and walking more.

 

Re-enact any space programs Obama suspended, and fund them ultimately with as much money as Congress allows. I would also push private business to make usage of space exploration.

 

Hopefully by doing this, generate more jobs for the average citizen by implementing higher degree of education, free collage classes, and boosting learning values.

 

Plan for a test launch back to the moon, and keeping a group of Astronauts on the moon for two months, to see if humans are ready to be far away from Earth for extended time.

 

The previous points will help these next ones...

 

Organize Launches to Mars when the next orbital cycle aligns us with Mars, and prepare for extended communication with astronauts as they report on their sights. As they leave they also leave behind their portable and disposable living quarter's on Mars, so the next crew to arrive can do the same, eventually leaving enough for a small colony.

 

Extend gratitude to Russia for helping with space efforts and further diplomatic relations with them.

 

Slowly pull troops out of the middle east, signing preparations for Russian intervention.

 

Open up ports with Cuba, and start trade again, by offering older Automobiles to them peace.

 

Make Citizenship in America only require knowing the English language, gaining rights, and denouncing citizenship to other countries for the next 10 years.

 

Allow illegal citizens of America to gain health benefits only after applying for Citizenship, and learning the basic English Language.

 

Push for large colonization of the Moon over time, and eventually allow private companies to venture to Mars.

 

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I am sure by then eight years will have passed, so I will pass on all responsibilities to the next in line. Hopefully I made everyone happy.

Bro, you understand Russia's plans for the Middle-East are completely in opposition to what the West, lead by the America, want. I am assuming you were saying what you will do as the President of the US, so you will never be able to do that.

 

The Middle-East has long been (arguable always) a battle-field - both literally and diplomatically - between Western and Eastern influences.

Speaking from my experiences in Iraq, the West now wants to install pro-Western governments that will allow development of their countries by Western corporations, thus profitting them. The East, currently encompassing the Iran-Russia (and alarmingly maybe even China) want more centralised governments that will benefit them.

 

The same can be said about other countries like Eastern Europe and even Georgia and the ex-Soviet republics. Allowing the Russians to intervene will be literally throwing any future prospects of profit and political alliances to the opposition. It will also adversely affect the economy in the US, while helping that of opponents.

 

If any president does that, I would imagine they'll get lynched for treason by the many corporate-interest lobby groups out there.

 

The same goes for the cars mate. The US remains the world's leading auto manufacturer, and you just simply cannot pass laws against car manufacturers who are cornerstones of the American economy - especially now when other countries are aspiring to catch up in the industry.

 

Note that I am not gonna bother arguing about the ethics, practical implications or advantages of each of your proposed laws. I am sure virtually everyone posting here has their own and countrymen's best interests and intentions at heart. I am just saying that no American President will be able to even consider anything like what you propose.

 

Take care.

 

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Tyler

Are you liberal by chance?

 

The 'west' is just as interested in helping centralise government as the east.

 

Take care.

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If I were president of the United States of America, I would use the federal government to make businesses accountable for their employers' well-being, I would re-instate FDR's Federal Artists Project, Federal Writers' Project, etc. and put more money into the arts, sciences, and humanities to make America the world leader for scientific research and creativity.

 

I would further the flowering economic relationships with Canada, Mexico, and Russia. I would strike an official military alliance with China. I would pull out the majority of all ground forces in Afghanistan and Iraq, and only keep a small amount of troops there for humanitarian purposes, and move the troops that were formerly stationed in the Middle East into Sudan and Darfur to end the genocides of innocent civilians, not in a gradual escalation of forces but a massive invasion a la Desert Storm.

 

I would offer massive tax cuts to people who serve X amount of community service hours (number shall be decided by states). I would offer states grant money if they raised taxes to staff their prisons with Corrections Officers and staff their schools with better teachers. I would offer tax cuts to business that allow unions in order to push giants like Wal-Mart towards better treatment of their employees.

 

I would de-regulate the welfare system so the states can develop more localized systems that better suit their individual needs. I would also encourage the states to develop their own stance on immigration, because the Constitution gives them this liberty, not because I agree with it.

 

And finally, push for Universal Health Care Insurance coverage, similar to the UK's NHS.

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I wasn't going to say anything in this topic, but thought I might as well...

 

As President of the United States:

 

I would expedite executions of confessed pre-meditated murderers. They thought it through, they killed someone, they confessed and were found sane by a shrink, why keep them alive? I would also implement the same with confessed child molesters and rapists. If found sane...execute them ASAP.

 

I would completely close the border to Mexico. I would reform current immigration practices to expedite immigration for those who legitimately want to enter the United States. The current wait is far too long, which forces a lot of Mexicans to enter illegally. I would also install an expedited deportation procedure. If we let them in legally and they are found to have committed a violent crime or felony within a "probationary period" say 10 years, they are immediately deported. All property is impounded by the state and sold at auction. The US shouldn't be paying to imprison illegals. They should be sent home ASAP.

 

I would also cut government social programs. I am all for helping people up when they are down, but not supporting them. Unemployment should be 26 weeks. Welfare should be capped. There are far too many people abusing the system out of laziness. More kids should not equal more government money thrown at them. Welfare money should only be able to be spent at government allocated stores to prevent abuse of using welfare money to buy booze, cigs and other non essential stuff. Welfare recipients should be required to find a job, and the government assistance will be adjusted according to their earnings.

 

I would push a law that outlaws porkbarrel projects. If a spending bill is passed, the only money that should be attached to it should be to pay for the bill. Why is $25 million dollars being attached to a defense spending bill to pay for a park in some senators home state that they needed to win a vote over from? Parks should be a state expense, not a federal expense. This will give states motivation to improve themselves to attract residents. This doesn't include National Parks, which the federal government will still protect.

 

I would also re-evaluate the US involvement with the UN and NATO. Too many times the UN or NATO passes a resolution that relies on the United States to spearhead (and pay for). If other governments don't want to pay, the United States won't. If France wants to send Peacekeepers into Bosnia, or Chechnya or anywhere else...they need to send their fair share. Bosnia was a joke that the UN wanted to send in Peacekeepers and France had military control but didn't even match HALF of what the US provided. So our troops in the region were in essence under French control. That would never happen under my leadership.

 

I would stop international bidding on US military technology until 20 years after that technology debuted. Friendly or not, if sh*t hits the fan I don't want US military technology and weapons systems used against our own troops. A 20 year sales bumper would prevent that. If England or Israel or Australia wants to buy 20 years old technology more power to them. But I'm not about to sell our F22 Raptor or F35 model line until it is far outdated.

 

I would open up new lines of business and trade with Canada, I think both countries produce a large amount of goods that we should be trading to each other rather then overseas. We share the longest unguarded border in the world and should build on that. Open trade would build jobs in both countries, lowering costs. The US and Canada should join together for a North American defense initiative to protect our lands together.

 

I could really go on forever, but I will leave it at that.

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Very nice Shylock, I have yet to see your opinion on this stuff until now. I must say I agreed with almost everything there.

 

The Canadian and UN Diplomatic policies you're looking to build were great, and even though the Technology ban seems very tough, I am sure you would be able to enforce it.

 

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I would also cut government social programs. I am all for helping people up when they are down, but not supporting them. Unemployment should be 26 weeks. Welfare should be capped. There are far too many people abusing the system out of laziness. More kids should not equal more government money thrown at them. Welfare money should only be able to be spent at government allocated stores to prevent abuse of using welfare money to buy booze, cigs and other non essential stuff. Welfare recipients should be required to find a job, and the government assistance will be adjusted according to their earnings.

 

There are no jobs. http://money.cnn.com/2010/01/12/news/econo...ember/index.htm

Even if you cut unemployment where will the jobs just magically come from? All your going to do is

A. Make millions lose their homes further destroying the housing market

B. Lower consumer spending making businessess hire and sell less

C. Lower amount of bank loans, further distorting the credit markets

D. Lower government revenues from the new closed businesses, destroyed housing market and millions who are now in poverty.

 

 

Besides that point

 

 

I would stop international bidding on US military technology until 20 years after that technology debuted. Friendly or not, if sh*t hits the fan I don't want US military technology and weapons systems used against our own troops. A 20 year sales bumper would prevent that. If England or Israel or Australia wants to buy 20 years old technology more power to them. But I'm not about to sell our F22 Raptor or F35 model line until it is far outdated

 

When was the last time Al-Queda got a hold of our F22 Raptor? Yeah they don't, military transfers to allies helps them fight terrorism and our enemeies, reducing that would be distarious and make us look weak anyway. Why would be scared if some English got a F22?

 

 

I would open up new lines of business and trade with Canada, I think both countries produce a large amount of goods that we should be trading to each other rather then overseas. We share the longest unguarded border in the world and should build on that. Open trade would build jobs in both countries, lowering costs. The US and Canada should join together for a North American defense initiative to protect our lands together.

...I actually agree with this one.

 

I would completely close the border to Mexico.

 

Whoa Whoa Whoa now, The U.S.-Mexican border brought $225 billion in 2004 alone. http://www.migrationinformation.org/Featur...play.cfm?id=407

Not to mention Mexican citizens who have family they want to see. Or metro areas like San Deigo-tijuana or El Paso-juarez in which the connection is as strong as any other pair of cities in America. Add to that that NAFTA would collapse, and our trade with a trillion dollar economy would dramitically sink. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/th...ok/geos/mx.html

Millions of more illegals would flood into the United States and in the end all you would of done is made the situation worse.

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I'm not going to quote individual but I will address them all.

 

See that is the misconception, there ARE jobs. Just they are jobs that people don't want to do. It's a pride thing. No auto worker who was making 60k per year assembling cars wants to take a pay cut and accept a 35k job. So they stay on unemployment because they make more money that way. If you capped unemployment and limited welfare, you would more or less FORCE them to accept jobs, even at a pay cut. MILLIONS of people get by on 30k per year. Just because they are accustomed to lavish spending on a 60k salary doesn't mean they can't support themselves on 30k.

 

And my embargo on selling military technology has nothing to do with AlQueda. It has everything to do with national security. Through multiple technology sales Iran had obtained the platform for the F14 Tomcat, even while we were still actively using it. Military superiority (through technology and sheer size) maintains our pedestal as THE most powerful country in the world. And with that comes a strong economy.

 

For the record, when I said completely close border with Mexico, I mean make it UNCROSSABLE at any place but a customs checkpoint. I am all for immigration, and travel back and forth...legally...aka through customs. What I am not OK with is hundreds of miles of unguarded border that promotes a gateway for illegals to cross into the US. I didn't mean to portray that I would literally shut the border down. I meant that I would make the border impassable in all places except US customs checkpoints.

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Just to make sure, shylock most of your ideas are on the practical side, yes?

 

I more or less focused on getting off of Earth, which would force a plateau of things to happen that would eventually lead to a world union. I kept some practicality but for the most part I wouldn't even be focusing on foreign policies aside from international space programs.

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I'm not going to quote individual but I will address them all.

 

See that is the misconception, there ARE jobs. Just they are jobs that people don't want to do. It's a pride thing. No auto worker who was making 60k per year assembling cars wants to take a pay cut and accept a 35k job. So they stay on unemployment because they make more money that way. If you capped unemployment and limited welfare, you would more or less FORCE them to accept jobs, even at a pay cut. MILLIONS of people get by on 30k per year. Just because they are accustomed to lavish spending on a 60k salary doesn't mean they can't support themselves on 30k.

 

And my embargo on selling military technology has nothing to do with AlQueda. It has everything to do with national security. Through multiple technology sales Iran had obtained the platform for the F14 Tomcat, even while we were still actively using it. Military superiority (through technology and sheer size) maintains our pedestal as THE most powerful country in the world. And with that comes a strong economy.

 

For the record, when I said completely close border with Mexico, I mean make it UNCROSSABLE at any place but a customs checkpoint. I am all for immigration, and travel back and forth...legally...aka through customs. What I am not OK with is hundreds of miles of unguarded border that promotes a gateway for illegals to cross into the US. I didn't mean to portray that I would literally shut the border down. I meant that I would make the border impassable in all places except US customs checkpoints.

Damn Shylock wasn't trying to piss you off. And I see there was just a misunderstanding on the Mexico thing. As far as jobs go though

 

 

See that is the misconception, there ARE jobs. Just they are jobs that people don't want to do. It's a pride thing. No auto worker who was making 60k per year assembling cars wants to take a pay cut and accept a 35k job. So they stay on unemployment because they make more money that way. If you capped unemployment and limited welfare, you would more or less FORCE them to accept jobs, even at a pay cut. MILLIONS of people get by on 30k per year. Just because they are accustomed to lavish spending on a 60k salary doesn't mean they can't support themselves on 30k.

 

If only it was that simple. If a worker takes a massive pay cut, as opposed to getting a job near there former a few problems crop up very quickly. First if someone becomes sick how will you pay? Most likely the 60K job provided good health coverage but the 30K one? Nope, and even if they had insurance it won't be able to keep the cost low enough to make sure the family can pay. Hell Cancer Treatment cost an arm and leg in this damn nation. And another thing a lot of people can' t just stop paying their mortage payments, if you take a massive pay reduction chances are you won't be able to pay your mortage, you go bankrupt and now you can't even get a loan for a new smaller house. You can't just sell your house because the housing market is tanked. The last thing is your children, if you had them going to a good privative school you can throw that out the window, they want to go to a good college but aren't; a minority, the top 1 percent, top athlethe; they will have to pay out the ass for a crippling loan. You can't help them though because hell your house is already left you massively in debt.

 

In the end unemployment is the last life line for millions of families who lost jobs for no falut of their own. To take it away will only leave them open to sickness, more debt or no future for their children. Making a bachelor degree skilled worker, clean floors at mcdonalds will not solve anything. As a matter a fact you remember that 5 for every 1 job stat? That applies to unskilled labor too! Even if the smarter man downgrades guess what?! The unskilled worker is now not going to have the opportunity to move ahead in life and get a job. So dude we need extended unemployment.

 

 

 

And my embargo on selling military technology has nothing to do with AlQueda. It has everything to do with national security. Through multiple technology sales Iran had obtained the platform for the F14 Tomcat, even while we were still actively using it. Military superiority (through technology and sheer size) maintains our pedestal as THE most powerful country in the world. And with that comes a strong economy.

Our military outspends the whole rest of the world. We have 11 aircraft carriers that are basically floating bases of doom. China's military (the nearest the competior) can barely mobilize their troops from one end of the nation to the other. They are literatty on a 80's level and we're 30 years advanced. We have drones that can attack anyone anywhere in the world why'll the pilots sitting in an office building in Arizona eating a big mac and you honestly think selling weapons to our allies will produce that large of a tech drain? And even if we didn't sell other nations still have spies in this nation gaining military spec. And Iran really man? That place barely has enough gasoline to runb their military who cares if they can get a few things? In a war we would end them anyway.

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I guess I'll give it a shot...

 

I for the most part would start to revert this country back to the U.S Constitution. I would for one would:

 

-Increase legislature representation based on the actual figures outlined in the document, which is 1 member per 30,000 citizens. The U.S now has 300 million people and maybe more when it's figured out in the census, which means we should have atleast 10,000 representatives. Right now, the House of Reps is capped at 435 members since the 1930s. This means each member of the House at this moment is representing 685,000 people. This is very disproportionate and one person can clearly not be expected to represent hundreds of thousands.

 

-I would repeal the Sixteenth Amendment and no longer allow the the government to track wages and income. The Sixteenth is a flagrant violation of privacy on behalf of the Federal level. Income in states that care should allow be allowed to track income if they desire for their own social programs. My campaign would certainly be based on states rights.

 

-In response to laying taxes without the help of income, I would instate a Federal sales tax of 5% on all sales through stores or wherever else. The fact is the Federal government already takes 15-20% in SS and income yearly. Through slowly weeding out unnecessary social expenditures and their equally useless bereaucratic agencies, I would be able to get the Federal government to lower it's daily spending aswell as reducing its debt level.

 

-I would encourage more manufacturing in the U.S with tax cuts. It's ridiculous that Apple, an American brand is allowing their subsidy in China to open up a factory that will employ 200,000 people to produce Ipods and Iphones. Why is that not in the U.S? Simply put, because it's ridiculously expensive to operate in the U.S. I wonder if one of the board directors of Apple, Al Gore has ever put any thought in to the carbon footprint his company is leaving by shipping all of those Ipods from China to the U.S? dozingoff.gif

 

-The D.E.A would be shutdown to allow a much more liberal approach to handling drugs through rehabilitation rather than incarceration. I'd back this up by closing the border and allowing the states to handle their drug matters in the way they would like with a Federal fund set up for aid. It's too much of an issue to discuss in length here so I will leave it at this but it's quite obvious that punishing habitual users hasn't helped them or society.

 

-A safety net should be in place for laid off workers, but it has to be intentionally unacceptable to encourage them to find new work.

 

-Encourage nuclear power production. France currently leads the world in nuclear generated electricity with an astounding 75% of total electricity produced through nuclear means. It's sad that our energy is being undercut by the use of dirtier and less efficient coal.

 

-More oil drilling and refining done on U.S soil. No more of this deepwater drilling. It's time to be independent in all of our energy needs and the government really needs to stop with this facade of caring for the enviroment and start leasing land.

 

Just a few things but there's so much I could put in here...

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J&H I'll never understand why so many conservatives support a federal sales tax. How is a federal sales tax any less intrusive then income tax? The only difference is that it is regressive (disproportionately targets the poor) rather then progressive. I for one am in favor of the flat tax.

 

Also tax cuts alone won't make manufacturing on American soil cheap, you might as well get used to the system of global trade because that is the only way consumer products remain as cheap as they do. This is not to say I don't support the tax cuts you propose.

 

Also good luck to everyone trying to shut down the border, let me know how that works out.

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Are you liberal by chance?

 

The 'west' is just as interested in helping centralise government as the east.

 

Take care.

Well I don't usually like political labelling - as I think my own perspective neither falls neatly into either the "Liberal Left" or "Conservative Right" camps. If you are talking about the Social stance, yeah I would like to think of myself as generally Liberal/Progressive (even by most modern Western standards). Economically, I might be a mixture of the old Left and Right (though I am no expert on that field).

But if you think I am a "Liberal" compared to yourself or others, I have no objections against that label mate.

 

As for Centralised Government, what I mean is that Western countries (maybe China too) want to profit from countries under their influence via Corporatism - sending their companies to build roads, internet access, Mcdonalds etc... People of those countries will be made to pay those companies (and thus into the parent country's economy) to develop their country for them.

 

In terms of countries following the old Soviet Union idiology (Russia, Iran), they lack those companies. So instead they will usually strive for a very Centralised Government (i.e. government who controls the economy), who will in turn pay them directly for goods and services. The problem with that is that generally the ordinary man wont usually see much of those goods and services (I am just generally contrasting based on the examples of the likes of Jordan and Syria in the Middle East).

 

I hope no one is eally naive enough to think either one is anything but profiteerng at best, exploitation at worst. But that is just the way of the world, and the way it has always been since civilisation began - every country wants to take advantage of others. In the case of the weaker countries at the sh*t end, the thing is chosing which one will be best for them.

 

Appologies if my previous use of the term Centralised Government was unclear. I have a feeling you might have taken it to mean "stable" or in control - whereas I meant it in term of economic control. How socially controlling, democratic and oppressive the governments are has nothing to do with which either side wants - whichever is most advantagous goes.

 

 

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J&H I'll never understand why so many conservatives support a federal sales tax. How is a federal sales tax any less intrusive then income tax? The only difference is that it is regressive (disproportionately targets the poor) rather then progressive. I for one am in favor of the flat tax.

 

Also tax cuts alone won't make manufacturing on American soil cheap, you might as well get used to the system of global trade because that is the only way consumer products remain as cheap as they do. This is not to say I don't support the tax cuts you propose.

 

Also good luck to everyone trying to shut down the border, let me know how that works out.

Well, no... the idea of a Fed sales tax is no where near as intrusive on the lifestyles of citizens because you can't point to anywhere in anyones portfolio that they are doing this and this that would be looked upon as "bad".

 

Returning to a more manufacturing based economy would restrengthen the dollar and benefit the poor far more because for one, we would be producing more things not only for ourselves, but for the world, so therefore you would not need as much to buy more. It's cheaper for companies to keep their shipping within the country than it is to export 10,00 miles across an ocean. You think sh*t is cheap just because it comes from China? Well, beyond the fact that all the money we literally have now has been borrowed from the surpluses the foreigners have, they work for horridly cheap. Why do many Chinese/South Korean families still do not have as many (They have luxuries, do not get me wrong, but not in the excess like we have) luxuries like we have?

 

Tax cuts will help, but government spending HAS to go down. There's no way about this. Less on everything excess, even defense. Government spending is a cost on the people. That cost is returned to us as inflation, essentially making every dollar we have more and more useless. Anyone can run money off a press like government, but does that ever make it any more valuable? What is making it not worth anything is because our dollar is backed by 60-70% consumption and only a 1/3 manufacturing. Hilary Clinton acts like we have the Chinese over a barrel, that they need us so they have jobs. The point of having a job is to buy stuff. Well, once the Chinese or whoever wants to do it first finally realizes the U.S is going to default on it's debts, all of a sudden the U.S.D will be basically worthless, and the only people with any money left will be the Chinese citizen, and every thing is going to be cheaper for them in general because the market is going to have to balance itself to match their incomes.

 

So there has to be some tax cuts, but government has to become exponentially smaller. Less useless programs, complete abolition of some. But what nobody wants to hear is that no matter what, our country is going to go throw a deeper recession, and possibly a depression. It's unavoidable. There's too much fake paper and debt that even if you made everyone default a tthis very moment, it would hurt. There's few hopes now for Americans because a combination of sh*t credit and excess government spending/inflation is going to kill the American dollar.

 

And I am libertarian, however that's a loose definition, much looser than conservative, but I don't know how else I would put it at this moment.

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I get where you're coming from J'n'H, but tell me, what about looking to the horizon of the future? Would you not put extensive thought into alternative fuels (Please don't go into this, I hate it, but we are going to have to use alternatives to Gasoline eventually) as a primary, or look to diplomatic relations with other countries. Or, and am not sure on your opinion on this, space programs and exploration?

 

 

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Well, for other fuel sources at the moment, I think it's more about time. If we are talking 5-10, maybe even 20 years, alternative fuels is just not a viable solution because nothing has really yet exploded out of the R&D stage. We do get some good stories from time to time about biofuels or garbage fuel and etc., but we hardly ever get follow up. Once it's feasible for it to be mass produced for just the 100 million Americans on the mainland and its territories that may be able to afford it, it's going to explode like throwing 100 gallons of gasoline into a 200 gallon fuel fire. That's why in the short term climate, the thing that would employ most Americans into production is the building of drills and refineries. (Basically not being talked about at all, but wouldn't this be a great 'New Deal' when sh*t is obliterated by the fan?). Besides, no money loving entrepenuer would not want to get into that trade when the time is right, but it's really not there.

 

Let me ask, if you were an oil tycoon, why supress the electric car through whatever means necessary if you knew it would launch a whole new sector in your business, earn you tons of money, and even earn you a place in history as the head of the "visionary" first company to produce the electric car that could be sold for $25,000, and go 1,000+ miles without being recharged?

 

That's because, they can not produce that electric car and sell it at $25,000, what most Americans can only afford through credit...

 

From a government stand point on space exploration, I am baffled that they are willing to spend as much money as they do and want to cut NASA (As a way to say they are cutting spending dozingoff.gif ). Again though, I believe there's only two ways out of the stagnation that is space exploration in the way of improving production. One) A private company finally figures a viable way to set up space hotels and maybe even a place on the moon for trips, or two) we finally get some good tech and speed to get to Mars.

 

A company finding a way to make hotel stations in space would be a great wau to produce. As for Mars, I would have again reduced spending in many areas, and told the scientists and physicists to work for less. Again, nothing anybody wants to hear, but that's the only way. So far not many details about the cuts to NASA have been announced, but that's what I would do. It's still rather broad, but I'm just saying this to give an idea of what I believe should have been done instead of saying "We are cutting many NASA programs".

 

 

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I see your point on all of that. The sad thing is, NASA was planning a return to the moon for colonisation in 2012, and a mission to Mars including four humans to sample the land further and plan to start a colonisation for Mars, should the Moon trip be successful. This was all the plan, until funding was cut, and NASA essential became a small group of laid off space-enthusiasts.

 

As for personal business, there are currently a number of private businesses operating internationally that are almost completed with the 'Space Plane' which will be able to fly any high-class member of society with enough money into the Stratosphere, about 40 miles above Earth. If someone like, say the President of the United States of America were to fund them off the record, then the company would probably make commercial space travel and colonisation possible in less than 20 years. It may sound crazy, but the only other way we as Americans are getting to space is if we become Russian Citizens and join the Roscosmos.

 

The Mars journey is also a little bit of a chance game, because we only align close enough to launch to Mars once every year.

 

Now, if you're ready to throw all of the past out of the door and talk real space travel, then it's going to require some extreme tolerance. Say, the private company I mentioned earlier buys out NASA as a private echelon, then starts working with the Roscosmos and the CSNA (Chinese Space) and start developing some actual colonisation Ideas for the Moon, well we would definitely be sending civilians to another planet within 20 years.

 

 

 

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