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... Hitler made everyone believe that Jews were terrorists, including a 'terrorists attack by the jews' on his building(cant think of the name right now(compare to 9-11)) to get the majority of people to be scared of terrorists until it got to the point that the only way to be safe was to remove every Jew partially due to Hitlers amazing ability to speak to the mass and thru media control.

You're referring to the Reichstag Fire which I mentioned earlier in this thread.

 

 

Now this didn't happen overnight, it took like what, roughly a decade for all of this to fold out? Just taking baby steps at a time..

As the old axiom goes, you can't drop a frog into boiling water and expect it not to jump away... but if you place it in cold water and gradually raise the temperature, it won't notice the difference and sit idly by to be boiled.

That's what's going on, what's been going on for generations now - if you don't pay attention to history, and how it parallels current events, you can't possibly see what's going on for what it really is.

Like the frog, you think everything is just fine, that you're not in any danger.

 

This is why they're called "Progressives", and they follow a Maoist philosophy of "step-by-step, however long it takes" To paraphrase their hero with the little red book, "Your grandchildren will follow Communism". "Progressive" sounds good and tasty, but it does not refer to "progress" in the beneficial sense, it refers to the methodology of expansionism and establishment of a Control State - and if people start waking up to the ugliness, they'll call themselves something else that sounds equally appealing and acceptible to the masses. Whatever it takes.

 

 

 

you cannot just sit back and ignore history, the german people did not realize what they were doing was wrong, they simply believed that was their only choice to being safe. Wasn't until things had gone too far when they realized how horrible it was what the military were really doing to the jews in camps, but by that time it was too late.
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All it takes is connecting the dots. Okay so those are the characteristics of an extreme right wing terrorists, right? Have you seen the news about the 'rising threat of homegrown terrorists'? Scaring people into thinking that we very much so have terrorists inside our country planning to kill US citizens. What does the gov get todo in return? 'We must make sure we have no terrorists in our country so anyone following the beliefs of an ' extreme right wing terrorists' should be detained to keep us safe. And the majority of the people will say of course! take away our rights, anything to keep me safe!' (see patriot act for a perfect example) It is the same exact thing that happened in nazi germanys times. Hitler made everyone believe that Jews were terrorists, including a 'terrorists attack by the jews' on his building(cant think of the name right now(compare to 9-11)) to get the majority of people to be scared of terrorists until it got to the point that the only way to be safe was to remove every Jew partially due to Hitlers amazing ability to speak to the mass and thru media control. Now this didn't happen overnight, it took like what, roughly a decade for all of this to fold out? Just taking baby steps at a time.. you cannot just sit back and ignore history, the german people did not realize what they were doing was wrong, they simply believed that was their only choice to being safe. Wasn't until things had gone too far when they realized how horrible it was what the military were really doing to the jews in camps, but by that time it was too late.

 

You know there is this thing called a paragraph...

 

Ok lets break down your essay.

 

 

All it takes is connecting the dots. Okay so those are the characteristics of an extreme right wing terrorists, right? Have you seen the news about the 'rising threat of homegrown terrorists'? Scaring people into thinking that we very much so have terrorists inside our country planning to kill US citizens.

Are you saying there aren't any domestic terrorist that should be stopped? Because if that's the case...never mind.

 

 

'We must make sure we have no terrorists in our country so anyone following the beliefs of an ' extreme right wing terrorists' should be detained to keep us safe

No one has advocated that, nor have they said that we need to get rid of the first admendment. Can you name 60 senators, a majority of house members, an obama advisor and members of the supreme court that would let such a law pass? Or even say it's OK? Really you can't? Didn't think so, that's why we have checks and balances.

 

 

And the majority of the people will say of course! take away our rights, anything to keep me safe!' (see patriot act for a perfect example) It is the same exact thing that happened in nazi germanys times.

It would take one hell of a major right wing terrorist attack for the majority of Americans to want to suspend the first amendment. But of course you don't think domestic terrorism is a threat, so that can't happen now can it?

 

 

every Jew partially due to Hitlers amazing ability to speak to the mass and thru media control

Another flaw, the government doesn't have control over what people on the radio, tv, internet, or any other mass communication network says.

 

 

Now this didn't happen overnight, it took like what, roughly a decade for all of this to fold out? Just taking baby steps at a time.. you cannot just sit back and ignore history

You're right we can't ignore history....to bad we don't have anything near the same situation now huh?

 

 

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All it takes is connecting the dots. Okay so those are the characteristics of an extreme right wing terrorists, right? Have you seen the news about the 'rising threat of homegrown terrorists'? Scaring people into thinking that we very much so have terrorists inside our country planning to kill US citizens.

Are you saying there aren't any domestic terrorist that should be stopped? Because if that's the case...never mind.

 

'We must make sure we have no terrorists in our country so anyone following the beliefs of an ' extreme right wing terrorists' should be detained to keep us safe

No one has advocated that, nor have they said that we need to get rid of the first admendment. Can you name 60 senators, a majority of house members, an obama advisor and members of the supreme court that would let such a law pass? Or even say it's OK? Really you can't? Didn't think so, that's why we have checks and balances.

 

And the majority of the people will say of course! take away our rights, anything to keep me safe!' (see patriot act for a perfect example) It is the same exact thing that happened in nazi germanys times.

It would take one hell of a major right wing terrorist attack for the majority of Americans to want to suspend the first amendment. But of course you don't think domestic terrorism is a threat, so that can't happen now can it?

 

every Jew partially due to Hitlers amazing ability to speak to the mass and thru media control

Another flaw, the government doesn't have control over what people on the radio, tv, internet, or any other mass communication network says.

 

 

Dude seriously? I can't believe its possible to be anymore ignorant.. you have your head so far up your ass you can't tell sh*t from flowers..

 

 

 

'We must make sure we have no terrorists in our country so anyone following the beliefs of an ' extreme right wing terrorists' should be detained to keep us safe

No one has advocated that, nor have they said that we need to get rid of the first admendment. Can you name 60 senators, a majority of house members, an obama advisor and members of the supreme court that would let such a law pass? Or even say it's OK? Really you can't? Didn't think so, that's why we have checks and balances

 

I never said its already been said, but what do you expect to come of it then? All it took were a handful or two terrorists at 9-11 to get the whole entire country up in a frenzy, to get the patriot act passed which is a blatant excuse to invade each and every one of ours privacy without any need for a warrant. What rights do you think people would give up considering a scare were in our own country?

 

 

 

every Jew partially due to Hitlers amazing ability to speak to the mass and thru media control

Another flaw, the government doesn't have control over what people on the radio, tv, internet, or any other mass communication network says.

 

You really need to open your eyes. If you honestly think the government has no control over mainstream media then you my friend are a complete and utter jackass, to put it kindly. Your speaking out of your ass, speaking what you think without any actual base knowledge or facts. You are right about them not having control over the internet though, which is literally our last hope of spreading true news.

 

 

 

Now this didn't happen overnight, it took like what, roughly a decade for all of this to fold out? Just taking baby steps at a time.. you cannot just sit back and ignore history

You're right we can't ignore history....to bad we don't have anything near the same situation now huh?

 

And this is just another prime example of your idiocy, set that I did indeed show how this is an almost exact parallel set of events that happened in Nazi Germany.

 

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Ugh you didn't even use the quote button right...whatever moving on. We all have those days.

 

 

 

 

You really need to open your eyes. If you honestly think the government has no control over mainstream media then you my friend are a complete and utter jackass, to put it kindly. Your speaking out of your ass, speaking what you think without any actual base knowledge or facts. You are right about them not having control over the internet though, which is literally our last hope of spreading true news

Two words: Glenn Beck. If the government had any control over what the media says, that clown would of been gone long ago. Besides that point let me ask you, can you PROVE that the government oppresses those with certain view points on TV and Radio? O I'm still waiting on that list of government officals Shifty41s_beerhatsmilie2.gif

 

 

I never said its already been said, but what do you expect to come of it then? All it took were a handful or two terrorists at 9-11 to get the whole entire country up in a frenzy, to get the patriot act passed which is a blatant excuse to invade each and every one of ours privacy without any need for a warrant. What rights do you think people would give up considering a scare were in our own country
?

I doubt any right wing or any terrorist organization has an attack large enough to get Americans to suspend the first amendment. Not only that but if all we got out of the 9/11 attacks was the Patriot Act then the constitution getting suspended looks highly suspect.

 

 

And this is just another prime example of your idiocy, set that I did indeed show how this is an almost exact parallel set of events that happened in Nazi Germany.

Ok OK let me see if i see those parallels. Great Depression=Great Recession. nope. Hilter=Obama. nope. Paramilitary groups funded by a major political party? nope....well looks like history isn't repeating...except to a crazy person maybe.

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lol this topic should be moved to Debates & Discussion.

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lol this topic should be moved to Debates & Discussion.

I tend to agree.

 

Since it is being moved there, bear in mind that the standards in there are supposed to be a little higher, although from what I've seen this has been more civil and levelheaded than in a lot of political forums you'd think would be used more by adults who know how to act as such rather than a video game forum. That's commendable and says a lot for the people taking part in this.

 

Keep it up.

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GrandMaster Smith

 

Ugh you didn't even use the quote button right...whatever moving on. We all have those days.

 

 

 

 

You really need to open your eyes. If you honestly think the government has no control over mainstream media then you my friend are a complete and utter jackass, to put it kindly. Your speaking out of your ass, speaking what you think without any actual base knowledge or facts. You are right about them not having control over the internet though, which is literally our last hope of spreading true news

Two words: Glenn Beck. If the government had any control over what the media says, that clown would of been gone long ago. Besides that point let me ask you, can you PROVE that the government oppresses those with certain view points on TV and Radio? O I'm still waiting on that list of government officals Shifty41s_beerhatsmilie2.gif

 

 

I never said its already been said, but what do you expect to come of it then? All it took were a handful or two terrorists at 9-11 to get the whole entire country up in a frenzy, to get the patriot act passed which is a blatant excuse to invade each and every one of ours privacy without any need for a warrant. What rights do you think people would give up considering a scare were in our own country
?

I doubt any right wing or any terrorist organization has an attack large enough to get Americans to suspend the first amendment. Not only that but if all we got out of the 9/11 attacks was the Patriot Act then the constitution getting suspended looks highly suspect.

 

 

And this is just another prime example of your idiocy, set that I did indeed show how this is an almost exact parallel set of events that happened in Nazi Germany.

Ok OK let me see if i see those parallels. Great Depression=Great Recession. nope. Hilter=Obama. nope. Paramilitary groups funded by a major political party? nope....well looks like history isn't repeating...except to a crazy person maybe.

 

lol youre a joke, no matter how much evidence somebody can shove in your face, you'd still say its not good enough..

All it takes is some common sense and a little research and not relying on mainstream media.. which I can surely tell you're a fan of.

Atleast some people on here though like ghost of delete key have their heads screwed on straight, as for others I can't really be sure of. All I have to say is if Ron Paul or someone who sees thing correctly alike isn't elected in 2012 elections, then our country is going to continue down this track of going straight down the tube..

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lol youre a joke, no matter how much evidence somebody can shove in your face, you'd still say its not good enough..

 

Why don't you prove this theory of yours and actually present some evidence and see how he reacts? No, comparisons to Nazi Germany isn't evidence.

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lol youre a joke, no matter how much evidence somebody can shove in your face, you'd still say its not good enough..

All it takes is some common sense and a little research and not relying on mainstream media.. which I can surely tell you're a fan of.

Atleast some people on here though like ghost of delete key have their heads screwed on straight, as for others I can't really be sure of. All I have to say is if Ron Paul or someone who sees thing correctly alike isn't elected in 2012 elections, then our country is going to continue down this track of going straight down the tube..

Well then.. If you're so convinced we're all gonna die unless some political superhero flies into DC to save us all in 2012, you might as well go ahead and surrender now, then go wait patiently at the train station for the cattle cars to come pick you up. I wouldn't suggest holding your breath in either case though.

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lol youre a joke, no matter how much evidence somebody can shove in your face, you'd still say its not good enough..

 

Why don't you prove this theory of yours and actually present some evidence and see how he reacts? No, comparisons to Nazi Germany isn't evidence.

This, show me some edivence. Still waiting on that list of government officals you can't provide Shifty41s_beerhatsmilie2.gif

Or the prove that shows the government stops oppising view points in the media Shifty41s_beerhatsmilie2.gif

Or some edivence that shows that the government is hunting down those who believe conspiricies Shifty41s_beerhatsmilie2.gif

 

Until then your the one with out your head screwed on. Have a nice day.

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GrandMaster Smith

 

lol youre a joke, no matter how much evidence somebody can shove in your face, you'd still say its not good enough..

 

Why don't you prove this theory of yours and actually present some evidence and see how he reacts? No, comparisons to Nazi Germany isn't evidence.

This, show me some edivence. Still waiting on that list of government officals you can't provide Shifty41s_beerhatsmilie2.gif

Or the prove that shows the government stops oppising view points in the media Shifty41s_beerhatsmilie2.gif

Or some edivence that shows that the government is hunting down those who believe conspiricies Shifty41s_beerhatsmilie2.gif

 

Until then your the one with out your head screwed on. Have a nice day.

 

This, show me some edivence. Still waiting on that list of government officals you can't provide Shifty41s_beerhatsmilie2.gif

 

Okay so you want me to name some gov officials or senators or anything, cause you trust them right? I take it you've never heard of Bohemian Grove right? A somewhat secret society that performs some real weird rituals. George Bush has gone to it, John Kerry, the Kissingers Rothchilds.. all the people in control go to it.

Now just watch this whole video and I would love to hear your response...

 

 

 

 

Or some edivence that shows that the government is hunting down those who believe conspiricies  Shifty41s_beerhatsmilie2.gif

Here is just an example showing that stuff like this has been going on for a while, you can read all about REX 84 here

 

 

 

Or the prove that shows the government stops oppising view points in the media  Shifty41s_beerhatsmilie2.gif

This is just a prime example of media censorship, this was aired when it was live, but when it was reaired, they edited it out, oh why would they even want to edit it out?

 

I can find plenty more proofs of censorship if you'd wish.

 

 

And just to show you the similarities between current day America and Nazi Germany

 

 

So now do you have any proof that what I'm saying Couldn't happen?

 

 

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I’m no fan of Bush but I don’t think he is the excuse for Obama that people want him to be, a much better case could be made for his administration still having to come to terms with the damage that Reagan caused, the single greatest villain to ever fool the world (America) that he was simply a man, and not the demon spawn of Satan.

America can’t even claim to be a beacon of democracy anymore, its more like the salesperson for capitalism over democracy, exactly what Adam Smith warned against. What kind of nation allows the top percentile to have more wealth than the bottom 95 percent, only a plutocracy.

It’s a shame China took the decision to act as life support for the doomed empire, and all empires fall even non declared ones.

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That's what's up. You had an argument and you bought me edivence. And you know what? Now that I have edivence I don't think your crazy, hell I respect you for that. But I do have somethings to say about those vids.

 

First Vid- Ok so the top members of society regularly meet because of clubs they were in during college. Doesn't really say much within itself, a lot of people join those types of groups it just so happens they all went to similar schools in the same income and educational bracket. Just because the club has weird rituals and rich people go to it doesn't mean that it's evil, or sinster. Of course the top 1 percents of society talk to each other and such. The rich and elite have meetings of different sorts all the time for different reasons. That alone doesn't mean that those meetings are bad or that the people are evil.

 

Second Vid and Rex 84- As far as the video is concerned if the facts are true, then yes there does need to be better guidelines about what contitues a national emergenry and such. The power has always been in the presidents hand to suspend the constituion or even destory the world with the invention of the Nuclear Warhead. Those are both unlikely but sure the power needs to be curtailed in some respects if we ever get a nixion. Reagan did set up a conintunity plan that was unconstitutional, and I hope it's still not in play.

 

As far as Rex 84 goes there is a lot of unvarified information. I would like to see the documentation that Reagan planned on targeting Minorities first in the event of a national diaster, until I see that, I only see most of the Rex 84 page as conspiricies.

 

Third Vid-Didn't see the censorship but I can believe that Fox would take that out. In any case doesn't mean that it's Government censorhip, just Corporate.

 

Fourth- 9/11 staged? Pearl Harbor staged..ok sigh.gif In any case the video didn't give any proof in the list of legislation that that could happen to a citizen. Just said it with no documentation. Just because some guy on Youtube said it doesn't make it true. The patriot act didn't get rid of the constituion either.

 

 

Ok listen I agree that the government has the power to enact martial law and that the president has vast powers. Do I neccessarily think that they're right? On some no on some yes. Do I think the Patriot Act was a mistake? Yes. But do I think Obama or even Bush wanted or wants to set up an authoritarian regime? No. Can someone do it in the future? Of course. Should that be stopped? Yes.

 

But still GMS don't doubt are system so much just because of a few youtube video's. It's worked more or less for the last 200 years, It can survive a Bush Fire or 2.

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That's what's up. You had an argument and you bought me edivence. And you know what? Now that I have edivence I don't think your crazy, hell I respect you for that. But I do have somethings to say about those vids.

 

First Vid- Ok so the top members of society regularly meet because of clubs they were in during college. Doesn't really say much within itself, a lot of people join those types of groups it just so happens they all went to similar schools in the same income and educational bracket. Just because the club has weird rituals and rich people go to it doesn't mean that it's evil, or sinster. Of course the top 1 percents of society talk to each other and such. The rich and elite have meetings of different sorts all the time for different reasons. That alone doesn't mean that those meetings are bad or that the people are evil.

 

Second Vid and Rex 84- As far as the video is concerned if the facts are true, then yes there does need to be better guidelines about what contitues a national emergenry and such. The power has always been in the presidents hand to suspend the constituion or even destory the world with the invention of the Nuclear Warhead. Those are both unlikely but sure the power needs to be curtailed in some respects if we ever get a nixion. Reagan did set up a conintunity plan that was unconstitutional, and I hope it's still not in play.

 

As far as Rex 84 goes there is a lot of unvarified information. I would like to see the documentation that Reagan planned on targeting Minorities first in the event of a national diaster, until I see that, I only see most of the Rex 84 page as conspiricies.

 

Third Vid-Didn't see the censorship but I can believe that Fox would take that out. In any case doesn't mean that it's Government censorhip, just Corporate.

 

Fourth- 9/11 staged? Pearl Harbor staged..ok sigh.gif In any case the video didn't give any proof in the list of legislation that that could happen to a citizen. Just said it with no documentation. Just because some guy on Youtube said it doesn't make it true. The patriot act didn't get rid of the constituion either.

 

 

Ok listen I agree that the government has the power to enact martial law and that the president has vast powers. Do I neccessarily think that they're right? On some no on some yes. Do I think the Patriot Act was a mistake? Yes. But do I think Obama or even Bush wanted or wants to set up an authoritarian regime? No. Can someone do it in the future? Of course. Should that be stopped? Yes.

 

But still GMS don't doubt are system so much just because of a few youtube video's. It's worked more or less for the last 200 years, It can survive a Bush Fire or 2.

Well you should definitely look into The Bohemian Grove some more, as it is still going on to this day. The Cremation of Care is actually a satanic ritual they perform on the first day of the week long event. If your neighbor was performing satanic rituals in their backyard, wouldn't you be a bit creeped out? Now how about the people running our nation were meeting up in a discrete area in Northern California to perform satanic rituals? Bush, Bush Sr., Reagan and many others have attended and still do to this day.

 

Rex 84 is in fact true, you can also research that and you'll see. That site I provided was just a quick find on google.

 

The censorship was in that they cut it out on reairing it, which is definitely suspicious because he makes awesome points and fights his arguments with common sense. There are much more better examples but I'm tired of skimming through youtube videos lol.

 

And the last video was just an exert on the movie Zeitgeist, it goes all into this stuff and I my friend very much recommend you watch it, you won't regret it. There's 3 parts, the 1st is about religion and I personally don't find that part as important as the rest of the movie, but a very interesting watch nonetheless, but the rest of the movie will leave you in unspeakable awe. You will see how these type of false flag attacks have been used over and over and over in history to motivate the majority of the people to accept going into war.

There is much more out there in the world than meets the eyes, which is simply controlled through the media, as it is the means basis of what we base our world on. Bilderburg Group, (look into them as well) is a very small group meeting consisting of world leaders where they discuss global plans. Very very little coverage has been done by mainstream media on this group and until recently have denied even their very existence. If we had 100 of the top NFL players having a meeting or anything alike, media would be chin deep in coverage, yet our world leaders have a meeting once a year to discuss and decide all these different plans for us the people yet we have no coverage on it or any say in it whatsoever. That's just my personal description of media control, showing you sports and lindsay lohan on front page as somewhat distractions from whats really going on behind closed doors.

 

So now I'm not saying we are all going to be herded up like cattle and slain like pieces of meat, but the power is there and if information isn't spread about then people will be completely oblivious to it.

 

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All right then Smith. I'll look into it, glad your not just crazy like some others on the site. As far as the media goes, of course they don't show stuff like that because the man who owns the company is in the group. The internet is the great equalizaor, every man, woman and dog can get on and show us things that we never knew. Like you did with me today. In any case even if the nation isn't as it seems go with the flow and go to the top. No one will stop you from making millions and doing what you want in life. Life's about power and power is about money Period.

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Hahaha... Zeitgeist.

 

If you bring that film to a debate, you instantly lose.

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Well you should definitely look into The Bohemian Grove some more, as it is still going on to this day. The Cremation of Care is actually a satanic ritual they perform on the first day of the week long event.  If your neighbor was performing satanic rituals in their backyard, wouldn't you be a bit creeped out? Now how about the people running our nation were meeting up in a discrete area in Northern California to perform satanic rituals? Bush, Bush Sr., Reagan and many others have attended and still do to this day.

Out of curiosity, are you a Christian or something? I don't mean the question to be rude, just wondering why you would be so worried about Satanic rituals.

 

I've studied lots of, umm, well, let's just say esoteric things, and nine times out of ten, stuff mistaken by outsiders as Satanic really is just symbolism and allegory. Yes, you will read or hear the occasional mention of Lucifer if you poke around in the right places, but generally speaking, this is used as a symbol of man's ability to discern right and wrong through Reason. It's easy to see how such things could be creepy when taken out of context, but you must bear in mind that much of the 17th and 18th century Enlightenment philosophies (Deism, Freemasonry, etc..) are mostly products of rebellion against the corruption of organized religious institutions, rather than rebellion against any specific God.

 

 

So now I'm not saying we are all going to be herded up like cattle and slain like pieces of meat, but the power is there and if information isn't spread about then people will be completely oblivious to it.

Sure, but you're still talking like you've been defeated before any fight has started. While everyone's making Nazi comparisons, I'll just say this: If a few hundred people with a handful of scavenged weapons could hold off the German Wehrmacht for a month during the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, just imagine how much more difficult it would be to put down, say, three million armed and angry Americans. Those in power may think all "the power is there," but if they try something like Rex 84 as anything but a ridiculous training exercise, well, good luck with that..

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Hahaha... Zeitgeist.

 

If you bring that film to a debate, you instantly lose.

If you have nothing to contribute to the discussion other than your ignorant comments then why the f*ck do you even bother posting?

I have supplied this topic with more than enough information to get my views and thoughts across, with proof in videos and links. If you're too lazy to go back a page or two and read a few paragraphs then gtfo of debate & discussion. I can supply facts and actual evidence, yet you just sit there laughing at a movie you've probably never even bothered to watch. So really, just when it comes to the actual debating part, you get owned. Plain and simple. If you have anything to claim against what I have to say providing some actual facts or anything else, I'd gladly reply to put you in your place. You're the type of ignorant person I cannot stand. You cannot accept anyone else points of views for even a brief moment, you're right and always right. It would take a 2 foot drill to get through your thick skull before something actually clicks.. open your eyes buddy, it may do you some actual good in your life.. or you could continue living your life according to how the tele tells you to.

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Hahaha... Zeitgeist.

 

If you bring that film to a debate, you instantly lose.

If you have nothing to contribute to the discussion other than your ignorant comments then why the f*ck do you even bother posting?

I have supplied this topic with more than enough information to get my views and thoughts across, with proof in videos and links. If you're too lazy to go back a page or two and read a few paragraphs then gtfo of debate & discussion. I can supply facts and actual evidence, yet you just sit there laughing at a movie you've probably never even bothered to watch. So really, just when it comes to the actual debating part, you get owned. Plain and simple. If you have anything to claim against what I have to say providing some actual facts or anything else, I'd gladly reply to put you in your place. You're the type of ignorant person I cannot stand. You cannot accept anyone else points of views for even a brief moment, you're right and always right. It would take a 2 foot drill to get through your thick skull before something actually clicks.. open your eyes buddy, it may do you some actual good in your life.. or you could continue living your life according to how the tele tells you to.

Thanks for the advice, pal.

 

If you'd actually bothered to read any of the Zeitgeist debunkings then I doubt you'd have the balls to post it. This research includes actual facts and figures (always handy), and they actually provide references to back up their claims! Imagine that! Zeitgeist is a piece of sh*t (yes, I have watched it, before you bring that old chestnut up again). It's you that needs to open your eyes and pull the f*cking tinfoil off your head.

 

Dumbass.

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And no, George Bush may have started off the spending policies, but there's no reason for Barack to continue where he left off

Except the Worst Recession in 70 years, Tax Recipets falling by almost a trillion dollars, 2 wars, Increasing Health Care Cost/Medicare, and a Social Security system about to go bankrupt, but that's all NO reason right? Because obviously just cutting millions of federal jobs during a recession and letting states also cut millions of workers would REALLLY help consumer spending and the economy right? Or how about letting GM fall? Who gives a damn about the 3 million workers? Or letting AIG and banks fall? Who gives a damn about the continuation of society? dozingoff.gif Plug a cork in it man, no one has the power to convince congress to balance the budget, not even Obama.

Do you not understand? These things are going to come back and hit us even harder because the real debt is still piling on and there is no actual income coming to those things you mentioned. What are we going to do in 10 years when the CBO says our debt level will be atleast 1 trillion higher and all of these same companies are going to be coming back around for more handouts?

 

However, that is only if you believe that the stimulus and bailouts were wholly acts of benevelonce. If that's what you think, then I can not agree with you there. Topics I've discussed before with others and am tired of beating the dead horse about Acorn and the SEIU. Justice will come to them one day.

 

They should have been shut down, and yes it would have sucked, but would you rather have taken perhaps a smaller reduction in GDP now than perhaps two to three times as much in the next 10 years when it comes full circle?

 

There will be no society if the current trends of bailouts, stimulus and rampant spending continue. Want to know where we are headed? I'm sure you've heard of the news from Greece? How the EU told them they have to cut a lot of their civil service benefits and privatize a good portion of their healthcare?

 

Did you know that the U.S is also taking part in bailing out Greece thanks to our obligations to the International Monetary Fund?

 

Obama can still veto these bills. He doesn't have to convince anyone nor does he want to.

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