Better storyline,TBOGT or TLAD?

[florisinfernus]

I think you may be on to something there. I hate Ballad of Gay tony on multiplayer because there's only like 4 games you can play on multiplayer: Deathmatch, Team Deathmatch, Race, and GTA Race. I think that's kind of stupid. At least in Lost and the Damned- you had new multiplayer games to play like "Club Business, "Own the City" "Lone Wolf Biker" "Chopper vs. Chopper" etc. But with TBoGT- it was just like they put 4 games in there and said "Oh ok, that's good enough for multiplayer."- I think they should have came up with some more multiplayer games that tie into the storyline of the game.

I'm glad they just did the singleplayer well. Extra multiplayer would have taken extra space as a download and I think it would have been a waste. GTA singleplayer: best game ever, GTA multiplyer: stupid boring auto target BS and arcady race stuff that isn't that cool either. Not bad but not epic either. Online autotarget is somehow more stupid than offline. Offline it's okay because the missions in itself are awesome. Online it's boring.

[MadOmega]

 

The Lost and Damned, why, BECAUSE ROCKSTAR PUT EFFORT INTO IT! The Ballod of Gay Tony was rushed, sure all you simple people are all like WOAH BIG FEATURES MISSIONS JUMPING OUT BUILDINGS AND SUPER POWERFUL WEAPONS WOOOH! But the actual storyline contains so little content it's rather pathetic.

 

 

 

 

 

I don't share your point of view... beside the feature (those are a +) u mentioned, BoGT contains a lot of original missions

especially the ones from Yuseff *i loved bombarding the yacht with the heli*loved the one where you have to steal the NOOSE tank while it was transported with a skycrane*loved stealing the subway car * i also loved the mission where u blow up a crane and a plane... lot of destruction*and also the last mission & even if getting on the plane was not so original (gta:sa) i just feel it was the best ending instead of destroying a safehouse!

 

 

 

With The Lost and Damned, most of you wouldn't of done this, but Rockstar have put in background details for nearly all the main members

 

Maybe you did not notice but there is good detail put in the BoGT too... mostly in Luis & Tony's characters, yes!, but i feel it clearly adds a lot of clarifications for some of the characters and story in the original GTA4 (for example: the 2 million<or was it billion?-can't remember precisely> worth diamonds are found by a hobo... or that Roman and Brucie hang out at Maisonette 9 )

 

 

You know another thing I liked in TLAD that wasn't in TBOGT, the bitter irony, Johnny and Niko work with each other twice, and they act as FRIENDS, when really, these two characters actually caused each other some great pain, especially Niko to Johnny. There was just some wicked storyline with those characters that made you feel clever because you, the player, knew the truth, as Johnny and Niko were all hey man, cool, good to see you, etc, when at other points in the story Niko kills two important Lost members and Johnny beats up and kidnaps someone very close to Niko, without each other knowing!

 

 

I consider Luis could not have been added more than he was present in the first GTA?... there paths have crossed more than once (at the bank, the libertorium, at the exchange with Gracie Ancelotti and the diamonds )

 

Hope i made my point(don't say untrue things )... but don't understand me wrong i like TLaD too but i just like BoGT more.

Edited May 9, 2010 by MadOmega

[MadOmega]

Offline it's okay because the missions in itself are awesome. Online it's boring.

i agrre

[Ash_735]

With The Lost and Damned, most of you wouldn't of done this, but Rockstar have put in background details for nearly all the main members

 

Maybe you did not notice but there is good detail put in the BoGT too... mostly in Luis & Tony's characters, yes!, but i feel it clearly adds a lot of clarifications for some of the characters and story in the original GTA4 (for example: the 2 million<or was it billion?-can't remember precisely> worth diamonds are found by a hobo... or that Roman and Brucie hang out at Maisonette 9 )

Can I just point out, these wern't background details added in TBOGT, they were present in the original GTA IV and they arn't background details if they're just there in the main storyline! In GTA IV, on the internet it said after the storyline was over that a Hobo found a bad containing the diamonds at the city dump (retconned by TBOGT as apparently Trash Men in Liberty City put trash BACK into Trash Cans) and that many names came forward as the owners but because no firm evidence was provided, Jerry was allowed to keep the Diamonds, in which he cashed in, flew off to Vice City and opened up a Gun & Liquor store.

 

Also in GTA IV if you respond to Brucies e-mails it gets mentioned a few times that him and Roman party at Maisonette 9, including one e-mail where Niko mocks him by saying that Brucie would be too busy fluffing the bouncer at M9.

 

If you think that is adding character detail then no wonder you're amased by the story line! GTA IV and TLAD are very similar in terms of character and background development, none of that is in TBOGT sadly, Tony himself revealed some nice history details but the rest of the cast sort of had a notes worth each.

 

As for people hating on the story because of the Bike missions, well gee um, funny how Bikers prefer to Ride Bikes huh? At least the Bikes in this game have brilliant handling, like San Andreas but better!

 

As for the people calling the story predictable, we know Billy was he bad guy, it's revealed on the website about how the old gang leader returns and f*cks sh*t up, before Billy came back, The Lost and other Biker gangs had a truce, which Billy f*cked up, that's like saying most TV shows are predictable, why watch House M.D. when you know he always saves them at the end? Why watch Top Gear, you know it's going to be about Cars, etc.

 

I do respect other peoples opinions and it's good that we can share how much we feel on the subject, if you want the LULZ and Crazy Missions then yeah you'd prefer TBOGT, where as if you fell in love with the world created in GTA IV and the storyline around it, you're gonna like TLAD more.

 

Just one more point, I'm seeing a lot of TLAD was Shorter, by a few missions, isn't that a good thing? The game kept you playing that much that you got it out of the way quicker? TBOGT is only 4 or so missions longer.

[MadcapSmoky22]

Both. I however loved TBOGT mostly, I nearly cried at 2 moments: when Tony wanted to shoot himself and when Lou had to kill Tony...but realised that their friendship can't be ruined by simple mob runners yeah call me gay or sth, but those moments were beautiful.

[Jimbatron]

I thought they were both good, but if forced to make a choice, I would say TBOGT has the edge for a couple of reasons:

 

1) Bulgarin for me was more impressive as the big bad of the story line - Billy wasn't up there with him or Dimitri Rascalov. I think for a shorter story in an expansion like this, it was easier to use a character we already know as the main protagonist (i.e. from Niko's tale). Taking down Billy didn't seem as important - but if we'd had longer to develop his character this might have been different.

 

2) The over-laps with IV in TLAD could have been done a bit better in my oppinion. It jumps straight into the drug deal with Elizabeta and I would have prefered more build up to this. It is similar with Roman's kidnapping - I was also suprised JK never seems to twig he might be related to Niko. I thought the over-lap with Ray Boccino was stronger.

 

To be honest though, this is nit-picking, the whole Liberty City plot wouldn't have felt complete without either of them.

[florisinfernus]

If you think that is adding character detail then no wonder you're amased by the story line! GTA IV and TLAD are very similar in terms of character and background development, none of that is in TBOGT sadly, Tony himself revealed some nice history details but the rest of the cast sort of had a notes worth each.

 

As for people hating on the story because of the Bike missions, well gee um, funny how Bikers prefer to Ride Bikes huh? At least the Bikes in this game have brilliant handling, like San Andreas but better!

 

As for the people calling the story predictable, we know Billy was he bad guy, it's revealed on the website about how the old gang leader returns and f*cks sh*t up, before Billy came back, The Lost and other Biker gangs had a truce, which Billy f*cked up, that's like saying most TV shows are predictable, why watch House M.D. when you know he always saves them at the end? Why watch Top Gear, you know it's going to be about Cars, etc.

 

I do respect other peoples opinions and it's good that we can share how much we feel on the subject, if you want the LULZ and Crazy Missions then yeah you'd prefer TBOGT, where as if you fell in love with the world created in GTA IV and the storyline around it, you're gonna like TLAD more.

 

Just one more point, I'm seeing a lot of TLAD was Shorter, by a few missions, isn't that a good thing? The game kept you playing that much that you got it out of the way quicker? TBOGT is only 4 or so missions longer.

I don't agree there is that much more detail in TLaD storyline. Some characters were oke like Johny, Clay or Jim. Terry was just plain crap and Billy, Brian and Stubbs were good.

 

I think that Tony was allready a good character but the dialogue made him great. Luis, in my opinion is cooler than Johny. How he handles that crazy chick was great for example. He also has the best voice of any GTA protagonist ever(in my opinion). Johny's voice just kind of sucked.. Yusef Amir was epic, Bulgarin and Timur were Great, Brucie and Morie were great. Armando and Henrique were annoying assholes but if you ignore how annoying they are you wil find that their dialogue is entertaining at least. Generally all characters in TBoGT were good and no matter if they were good or not their dialogue was humorous.

 

The character deepening is still kind of there when you do Gang Wars or friend activities. If you want more background just play a sh*tload of friend activities. I don't really care that much about the background facts. Random made up sh*t if you ask me(no offense) And that is were our differece of opinion lies. You prefer the more serious biker theme and the no too crazy bullsh*t policy more and I had a good laugh listening to crazy rich guys, funny gays (gay dance off was epic) or assholes like Morie, Henrique and Armando.

 

I actually think GTA is all about being unrealistic. GTA gameplay is very arcady and if you look at the world closely you'll come to the conclusion that it isn't realistic at all. If you think realism is the way to go then I think you should also consider wanting having to tank gas, having to eat constantly and having to take a crap. The thing is that all those things would be terrible. If you make something 90 % unrealistic then better make the last 10 % unrealistic too. Especially if it makes the game more fun. Being able to kill an endless hord of people on your own is allready extremely unrealistic. Just think about it. Too much GTA IV players have some forced realism=good idea in their heads which prevents them from enjoying great features.

 

I even felt like in TLaD they held a tiny bit back. Good example is your friends not having their own dialogue when you hang out in the clubhouse. I also agree that the story was predictable. Sorry but that is an undeniable bad thing.. And yeah, less missions which is an undeniable bad thing too.

 

And I also loved the cars in TBoGT. I'm not that big of a bike fan.

[MadOmega]

...on the internet it said after the storyline was over that a Hobo found a bad containing the diamonds at the city dump

 

Also in GTA IV if you respond to Brucies e-mails it gets mentioned a few times that him and Roman party at Maisonette 9, including one e-mail where Niko mocks him by saying that Brucie would be too busy fluffing the bouncer at M9.

i finished the main story a long time ago... i might have forgot about it or maybe i never read it (about the hobo finding diamonds in the trash) i heard the exact same message on the radio now in BoGT, but in the main story i did not hear this message... maybe it was there too, not sure... and i think you are right here that he should have found 'em at the city dump... but it would have been wired that the game would end there...

and even if these details were not added, it was pretty good actually seeing them on the screen(as a cutscene), and even so you can't say the story was just rushed and there is no detail, sure it short(TLaD is short as well), but BaGT comes together with TLaD, so you have to play them both to get more...

[Ash_735]

We can just put this down to difference of opinion then, I'm just sick of people sh*tting on TLAD because of TBOGT though, and how can anyone prefer Luis' voice? He's the blandest of the lot, look at the poll, Niko and Johnny got votes the lowest being Luis, he shows no emotion, Johnny shown more emotion in the first mission than Luis did in the entire game, same with Niko. I stick by the story being rushed, this in NOT the original story set up, Tony's club were suppose to stay closed, and if we believe the GTA IV internet, Tony was meant to go missing and other such things. Even The Lost and Damned ending shown the original route Luis was suppose to go in the Museum events, he was fighting off Goons on the roof and shooting down into the Museum before heading back to the scaffolding. It feels like with TBOGT, Rockstar caved in under pressure from "fans" so they made it all OTT and Wacky and changed the story to suit that and the new features instead, again, a lot of you will enjoy, but for those of us who had been following the serious story set out in GTA IV, were quite disappointed. You say I should try doing more Mission and hanging out, I Do, how do you think I found out all that stuff with The Lost? Hanging out in TLAD reveals all sorts of information about the characters, TBOGT does not, the two idiots Insult Luis then revert back to one of their five sentences, I swear, doing drug wars and hanging out, if I heard YO L HOWS YO MOMS? SHE GOOD DON'T LIKE ME THOUGH PREFER YOU TWO! one more time I was gonna satchel charge the Jeep.

 

As for the insult about realism, no need to go there, oh I prefer the more serious storyline so I must also enjoy babysitting characters, refilling Gas in cars and watching the character take a sh*t cause that's what they'd do in real life. Just no, that's completely missing the point Hopw would you like it if I said all TBOGT fans would love to play Saints Row 2 cause it's perfect for them and can live out their stupidity and childish dreams?

[CryptReaperDorian]

I actually found the ending of TBOGT much more predictable than the TLAD ending. I knew Luis would kill Bulgarin before TBOGT was announced. Both TLAD and TBOGT are amazing in their own aspects, but TLAD is much better with the story in my opinion. The only plothole I really noticed in TLAD was seeing Niko in Alderney in the opening cutscene. TBOGT had a lot more plotholes than TLAD.

[florisinfernus]

 

We can just put this down to difference of opinion then, I'm just sick of people sh*tting on TLAD because of TBOGT though, and how can anyone prefer Luis' voice? He's the blandest of the lot, look at the poll, Niko and Johnny got votes the lowest being Luis, he shows no emotion, Johnny shown more emotion in the first mission than Luis did in the entire game, same with Niko. I stick by the story being rushed, this in NOT the original story set up, Tony's club were suppose to stay closed, and if we believe the GTA IV internet, Tony was meant to go missing and other such things. Even The Lost and Damned ending shown the original route Luis was suppose to go in the Museum events, he was fighting off Goons on the roof and shooting down into the Museum before heading back to the scaffolding. It feels like with TBOGT, Rockstar caved in under pressure from "fans" so they made it all OTT and Wacky and changed the story to suit that and the new features instead, again, a lot of you will enjoy, but for those of us who had been following the serious story set out in GTA IV, were quite disappointed.

I thought Luis was cool. Johny was a stupid douche against Ray. I really thought WTF are you saying dumbass. To be honest Luis showed a lot of emotion. Saying he shows no emotion is just factually incorrect. And to be honest, more emotion isn't better per se. Marlon Brando didn't show a lot of emotion in the Godfather. Still pretty good character if you ask me. On the poll, firstly most people who weren't in the realism fan club never bothered buying EFLC after serious IV. Litterally everyone I talk about IV with says he thinks San Andreas was awesome and IV was boring. Some of them didn't even bother with finishing it. You should also take into account that planning the stories for TLaD and TBoGT was not the same moment. And when talking about story fails: IV Jim was by far the biggest. The little detail where Luis is shooting at the wrong place, really doesn't bother me at least. That Jim thing was f*cking stupid though. I followed IV's story closely and I wasn't dissapointed even one bit with TBoGT.

 

You say I should try doing more Mission and hanging out, I Do, how do you think I found out all that stuff with The Lost? Hanging out in TLAD reveals all sorts of information about the characters, TBOGT does not, the two idiots Insult Luis then revert back to one of their five sentences, I swear, doing drug wars and hanging out, if I heard YO L HOWS YO MOMS? SHE GOOD DON'T LIKE ME THOUGH PREFER YOU TWO! one more time I was gonna satchel charge the Jeep.

Yeah, Drug War dialogue is obvious sh*t. The lost doesn't have any Gang War dialogue except for ''hey clay wanna kick some ass'' which I heard lots of times. Haven't played Gang Wars in months so forgot the exact line though..

 

As for the insult about realism, no need to go there, oh I prefer the more serious storyline so I must also enjoy babysitting characters, refilling Gas in cars and watching the character take a sh*t cause that's what they'd do in real life. Just no, that's completely missing the point Hopw would you like it if I said all TBOGT fans would love to play Saints Row 2 cause it's perfect for them and can live out their stupidity and childish dreams?

That wasn't an insult. It was actually an opinion. I think the realism=great is missing the point. The takin a sh*t part was just a little joke but the main point is not that exaggerated at all. IV's arcady setup and style and lack of realism fits TBoGT. There has never been a realistic GTA. GTA is not realistic. Modern Warfare is Gran Tourismo is. GTA? no. That thing bout Saints Row would be obvious bullsh*t. Saints Row sucks. But saying that really wouldn't offend me. I'm not big a fan of being offended.

Edited May 9, 2010 by florisinfernus

[Ash_735]

Wow, we're like opposite players, everything I hate about TBOGT you love and your hatred for TLAD where as it's one of my fave GTA games!

 

edit: and these points are getting odd now, every time I bring up something that's better in TLAD you shoot it down! First, Character History and Details arn't important in a Story, Retconning isn't important in a story and now Character Emotion isn't important in a story. Hey, as long as the missions are fun eh? Story doesn't matter, that's a very Saints Row stance

 

edit 2: Oh wait you brought Marlon Brando into this, I'm sorry, I missed the part where Luis was a retiring Old Age Mob Boss, cause if you're saying the characters are similar then that shows what a f*ck up it is and how bland he comes across.

Edited May 9, 2010 by Ash_735

[MadOmega]

 

I'm just sick of people sh*tting on TLAD because of TBOGT though, and how can anyone prefer Luis' voice? He's the blandest of the lot, look at the poll, Niko and Johnny got votes the lowest being Luis, he shows no emotion, Johnny shown more emotion in the first mission than Luis did in the entire game, same with Niko. I stick by the story being rushed, this in NOT the original story set up, Tony's club were suppose to stay closed, and if we believe the GTA IV internet, Tony was meant to go missing and other such things.

 

Hopw would you like it if I said all TBOGT fans would love to play Saints Row 2 cause it's perfect for them and can live out their stupidity and childish dreams?

I did not sh*t on TLaD, i said they are both good additions to the story, i just prefer the 2nd one, as for pools i don't care about them, they can be used to force "someone" opinion. Now i would not really call Johnny the emotional type, he kindda gives a cr*p about everyone and mostly everything, so i disagree with you. btw Tony is gone missing at the end, you dont even have his tel # no more. and you know what if you think its rushed and does not fit, that's your opinion, not mine, and not Rockstar's , so if you hate it don't play it.

 

What does Saints Row 2 got to do with this? i think your kindda loosing arguments and going offtrack. btw: SR2 has the most bullsh*ttiest car controls i've ever seen, cr*ppy graphics, and a boring storyline.

Edited May 9, 2010 by MadOmega

[Ash_735]

 

I'm just sick of people sh*tting on TLAD because of TBOGT though, and how can anyone prefer Luis' voice? He's the blandest of the lot, look at the poll, Niko and Johnny got votes the lowest being Luis, he shows no emotion, Johnny shown more emotion in the first mission than Luis did in the entire game, same with Niko. I stick by the story being rushed, this in NOT the original story set up, Tony's club were suppose to stay closed, and if we believe the GTA IV internet, Tony was meant to go missing and other such things.

 

Hopw would you like it if I said all TBOGT fans would love to play Saints Row 2 cause it's perfect for them and can live out their stupidity and childish dreams?

I did not sh*t on TLaD, i said they are both good additions to the story, i just prefer the 2nd one, as for pools i don't care about them, they can be used to force "someone" opinion. Now i would not really call Johnny the emotional type, he kindda gives a cr*p about everyone and mostly everything, so i disagree with you. btw Tony is gone missing at the end, you dont even have his tel # no more. and you know what if you think its rushed and does not fit, that's your opinion, not mine, and not Rockstar's , so if you hate it don't play it.

 

What does Saints Row 2 got to do with this? i think your kindda loosing arguments and going offtrack. btw: SR2 has the most bullsh*ttiest car controls i've ever seen, cr*ppy graphics, and a boring storyline.

This must be a language thing, when I say emotional, I don't mean he's the type of person to sit down and talk about feelings, I mean the voice actors put emotion into it, listen to the first cutscene, you can hear how chilled out Johnny is and then his voice getting more tense once Billy gets back to the clubhouse, then the outburst of anger at Brian, etc there's real effort in the voice acting, same with Niko's both characters can go insane in gun fights, shouting some pretty good stuff, Luis doesn't do that, Luis barely changes tone through the story, I get that he's suppose to be cool and all, but come on, in the storyline there are certain parts where you really can't be cool, it makes Luis seem like some cartoon character.

 

I brought up Saints Row 2 because the other guy said that because I liked the realism style that I must like doing all boring things and making the game into The Sims, to counter that, I mentioned it's like saying TBOGT like SR2 then.

 

Also, an argument, no, I've stated my points, the evidence is there, anyone looking at the games can clearly see all the story and chartacter detail went into TLAD whilst all the features and crazy style went into TBOGT, that's what makes them different. I'm just countering some talk about why TBOGT is apparently the best story when most of the plus points were actually from GTA IV, whilst other points are all LOL YUSIF IS RICH AND CRAZY.

 

edit: and really, we're just opposite fans, not many game series can do that!

Edited May 9, 2010 by Ash_735

[florisinfernus]

 

Wow, we're like opposite players, everything I hate about TBOGT you love and your hatred for TLAD where as it's one of my fave GTA games!

 

edit: and these points are getting odd now, every time I bring up something that's better in TLAD you shoot it down! First, Character History and Details arn't important in a Story, Retconning isn't important in a story and now Character Emotion isn't important in a story.  Hey, as long as the missions are fun eh? Story doesn't matter, that's a very Saints Row stance

 

edit 2: Oh wait you brought Marlon Brando into this, I'm sorry, I missed the part where Luis was a retiring Old Age Mob Boss, cause if you're saying the characters are similar then that shows what a f*ck up it is and how bland he comes across.

You could take any character from The Godfather really. It was not a direct comparison. Gangsters tend to be cold people. I really hated Nicko's I'm killing a thousand people but killing is evil thing. I wouldn't mind for a sicko lead. That would at least be convincing.

 

I do care about the story don't get me wrong. Just in a different way than you. I go for humor and dialogue you go for story... Saint Row probably has sh*tty dialogue so really not my choice. Crappy gameplay and graphics too.

I didn't really expect much storywise from the DLC's anyway. I was surprised with how they could make something out of a 20 mission story. And eventhough I've hammered TLaD in this topic I love that game. I think the biker thing is cool too. Prefer the glitz though.

Edited May 9, 2010 by florisinfernus

[MadOmega]

This must be a language thing, when I say emotional, I don't mean he's the type of person to sit down and talk about feelings, I mean the voice actors put emotion into it, listen to the first cutscene, you can hear how chilled out Johnny is and then his voice getting more tense once Billy gets back to the clubhouse, then the outburst of anger at Brian, etc there's real effort in the voice acting, same with Niko's both characters can go insane in gun fights, shouting some pretty good stuff, Luis doesn't do that, Luis barely changes tone through the story, I get that he's suppose to be cool and all, but come on, in the storyline there are certain parts where you really can't be cool, it makes Luis seem like some cartoon character.

 

I brought up Saints Row 2 because the other guy said that because I liked the realism style that I must like doing all boring things and making the game into The Sims, to counter that, I mentioned it's like saying TBOGT like SR2 then.

 

Also, an argument, no, I've stated my points, the evidence is there, anyone looking at the games can clearly see all the story and chartacter detail went into TLAD whilst all the features and crazy style went into TBOGT, that's what makes them different. I'm just countering some talk about why TBOGT is apparently the best story when most of the plus points were actually from GTA IV, whilst other points are all LOL YUSIF IS RICH AND CRAZY.

 

edit: and really, we're just opposite fans, not many game series can do that!

what does the voice acting got to do with the storyline? i really like that Luis keeps calm in every situation... i don't see it as a downfall. except a few small mistakes the story is good, this can sometimes happen when you make a main character out of one that appeared in a few cutscenes (i have seen this happen on a tv-show that expanded over 15 years...) but you have to put the bad things aside and look in perspective... (or you probably don't want to do that, do we really have to look for mistakes in the other side?.... this one seems like a mistake too: in the Libertorium when playing as Niko... where did Johnny vanished? i mean when playing Johnny i saw Niko)

[Spider-Vice]

Offline it's okay because the missions in itself are awesome. Online it's boring.

i agrre

This is the reason I've finished EFLC but have no achievements I always play with xliveless.

[Ash_735]

 

This must be a language thing, when I say emotional, I don't mean he's the type of person to sit down and talk about feelings, I mean the voice actors put emotion into it, listen to the first cutscene, you can hear how chilled out Johnny is and then his voice getting more tense once Billy gets back to the clubhouse, then the outburst of anger at Brian, etc there's real effort in the voice acting, same with Niko's both characters can go insane in gun fights, shouting some pretty good stuff, Luis doesn't do that, Luis barely changes tone through the story, I get that he's suppose to be cool and all, but come on, in the storyline there are certain parts where you really can't be cool, it makes Luis seem like some cartoon character.

 

I brought up Saints Row 2 because the other guy said that because I liked the realism style that I must like doing all boring things and making the game into The Sims, to counter that, I mentioned it's like saying TBOGT like SR2 then.

 

Also, an argument, no, I've stated my points, the evidence is there, anyone looking at the games can clearly see all the story and chartacter detail went into TLAD whilst all the features and crazy style went into TBOGT, that's what makes them different. I'm just countering some talk about why TBOGT is apparently the best story when most of the plus points were actually from GTA IV, whilst other points are all LOL YUSIF IS RICH AND CRAZY.

 

edit: and really, we're just opposite fans, not many game series can do that!

what does the voice acting got to do with the storyline? i really like that Luis keeps calm in every situation... i don't see it as a downfall. except a few small mistakes the story is good, this can sometimes happen when you make a main character out of one that appeared in a few cutscenes (i have seen this happen on a tv-show that expanded over 15 years...) but you have to put the bad things aside and look in perspective... (or you probably don't want to do that, do we really have to look for mistakes in the other side?.... this one seems like a mistake too: in the Libertorium when playing as Niko... where did Johnny vanished? i mean when playing Johnny i saw Niko)

I don't get what you're saying, because I don't prefer TBOGT, I need to change my perspective? Dude, I think TLAD is better, it's my choice and I have my reasons, one of them being the better all round story, characters, music, etc, which again is a personal opinion.

 

Also, if you don't know how a better performance from an actor helps the story then you need to like look up this crap, it's a very basic formula, an actors better portrayal of a character adds to the Story and makes the characters and situation more believable, you know, just like Tony in TBOGT, he's one of the few characters in TBOGT who are brilliant, portrayed with effort, something I can not say for the cartoon character monotone Luis. Imagine if Niko was that bland, SPOILERS "Oh no, Kate, you are dead, oh well ese, I better go kill that Pegorino now eh? Como Roman and Jacob, let's get them", I mean, the whole, Oh Luis is so cool he doesn't need to show emotion or effort thing is just crap, the character was written with potential, line like "GET UP, GET UP SO I CAN KILL YOU MYSELF" could of had much more power to them if Luis' VA put as much effort into the character as Niko's and Johnny's did! There's a reason Gay Tony steals every scene he's in with Luis and that's because the actor for him put a little effort in.

 

As for the story, the wacky missions and OTT stuff is ok, it just doesn't feel right that none of it was ever mentioned at all, the GTA IV crossovers and TLAD crossovers were cool, some of the info was changed in TBOGT for no reason at all, but as a whole the story just feels like a disjointed mess compared to GTA IV and TLAD, sure it's a bit longer and more fun and wacky, but then again, so was Date Movie compared to Taxi Driver!

 

edit: And again, this is all my opinion, I'm a big fan of TLAD and what it added onto GTA IV and was expecting the same style from TBOGT, so yeah, I was disappointed with TBOGT in terms of everything bar the actual character of Gay Tony!

Edited May 9, 2010 by Ash_735

[MadOmega]

 

I don't get what you're saying

My point was just don't say it's cr*p cause i did not say TLaD is...

 

 

because I don't prefer TBOGT, I need to change my perspective? Dude, I think TLAD is better, it's my choice and I have my reasons, one of them being the better all round story, characters, music, etc, which again is a personal opinion.

 

No need to change perspective, everyone can have one. Yes, detail counts as far as storyline goes, and as you said TBoGT has minor misunderstandings but overall i this its a good add, and i was pointing out that even TLaD can have mistakes.

 

Correct me if i'm wrong, but i think the reason why you like it is the whole biker theme (what i liked about TLaD was riding as a MC) i don't really like the heavy metal, nor rock for that matter...

 

Personally the story, rich in detail(as you say), only compensated for the fact that i saw from the beginning the conflict between Jhonny,Angus,Clay,Terry and Jim vs Billy,Brian,and there minions, the fact that they do not see eye to eye, and knew they will betray and this will end when they die, i even made a bet with a friend on this. But overall i liked TLaD.

 

I hope we can leave it at this Ash_735... and stop looking for minor detail flaws, and take them as an overall.

Edited May 10, 2010 by MadOmega

[imphranki]

I liked TLAD because of the motorcycle theme and the storyline seems more driven than TBoGT. Johnny's conflict with Billy and the Lost MC seemed to be more apparent than Luis' need to keep Tony from losing his nightclubs. In the end, TLAD answered most (if not all) the questions and conflicts Johnny had in the beginning of the game. For Luis, it's open-ended, What happened to Tony? What happens between Joni (the girl that works at Maisonette 9) and Luis?

 

TLAD's story also seems to be more rounded than TBoGT. Unlike Luis, Johnny has a confidant, Angus, who he can call to talk to from time to time. I felt more connected to Johnny hearing from his point of view on things. Even in GTAIV, Niko had Roman to confide in. Niko can call Roman after every mission, or sets of missions to tell him what's happening. After Three Leaf Clover, Niko can call Roman and you can hear Roman talking about the Bank Heist on TV and saying how Niko probably wished he pulled something like that, in which Niko replies, "Who says I didn't?". It makes the characters seem more real and the game isn't just made of up missions after missions.

 

I can see that Luis probably isn't the type of guy who would call (Poor Margot), but there should've been more in the game to let players connect with this character. The hangout chit-chat with Henrique and Armando doesn't really count b/c all we get is Henrique's Low IQ is and Armando's homophobia.

 

That being said, both games were great and fun to play. I did find myself replaying TLAD everytime I put in the EFLC Disc instead of TBoGT though.

[MadOmega]

 

For Luis, it's open-ended, What happened to Tony?  What happens between Joni (the girl that works at Maisonette 9) and Luis? 

 

 

 

Some say, that in the original, Tony has gone MIA... so i think its the same in TBoGT.

Nothing happens between Joni and Luis, since he won't commit to a stable relationship. Actually nothing happens in Niko's and Johnny's relationships. Niko has a lot of dates but nothing suggest he will commit to any of them, also Johnny does not want that junkie back in his life... so nope no happy relationships in any of them

[refzem]

At first when just looking at both games I would've said TLAD , because I never liked the idea of working for a fag, also mc bikes seemed cool. However, after playing through both games I'd say I like TBOGT more than TLAD.

 

As someone else mentioned, you can tell right away from the start that in TLAD something is going to happen between the main character and the antagonist, while in TBOGT however, you have no idea what will happen.

 

 

There was however some things I did not like about TbOGT. The "mother" storyline just ended, there was like one mission. The "Yusuf" storyline was really short. Also, you never get to kill the f*cker " Rocco " , who obviously deserved to die.

 

 

imo BoGt > TLaD

Edited May 12, 2010 by refzem

[CrzChris4]

 

The Lost and Damned, why, BECAUSE ROCKSTAR PUT EFFORT INTO IT! The Ballod of Gay Tony was rushed, sure all you simple people are all like WOAH BIG FEATURES MISSIONS JUMPING OUT BUILDINGS AND SUPER POWERFUL WEAPONS WOOOH! But the actual storyline contains so little content it's rather pathetic.

 

With The Lost and Damned, most of you wouldn't of done this, but Rockstar have put in background details for nearly all the main members, hanging out with Terry, Clay and Jim reveals a lot of history between the characters, you can call Angus after most missions and him and Johnny have some pretty serious words about where they want to go with The Lost. For example, you know what one hang out session revealed? Johnny is the slowest GTA character because he has a limp, he damaged his right leg in a biking accident when he was younger. Just soo many little details put into the characters, you find out that Terry has a faveourite stripper at Honkers, he has a heroin addict of a brother who turned to god at one point, you learn why Clay likes to sleep around rather than commit, etc. There is a tonne of character detail and storyline detail in The Lost and Damned, plus the story linked back into GTA IV a lot more heavily because of the similar tone, nothing felt out of place.

 

You know another thing I liked in TLAD that wasn't in TBOGT, the bitter irony, Johnny and Niko work with each other twice, and they act as FRIENDS, when really, these two characters actually caused each other some great pain, especially Niko to Johnny. There was just some wicked storyline with those characters that made you feel clever because you, the player, knew the truth, as Johnny and Niko were all hey man, cool, good to see you, etc, when at other points in the story Niko kills two important Lost members and Johnny beats up and kidnaps someone very close to Niko, without each other knowing!

 

I just never got any of that from TBOGT, yes there are more features, but the character details are gone, Armando and Henrique have like five sentences at most! And apart from the actual crossover missions, there's very little linking into the main storyline, it does feel that TBOGT is just there to show off features as most of this crazy OTT sh*t never really got mentioned in IV or TLAD.

 

And that folks, is why I prefer TLAD over TBOGT.

Dude, you summed it up exactly. Although the pause menu music for The Ballad Of Gay Tony was nice, I must admit.

[shinsta312]

The Lost and Damned, why, BECAUSE ROCKSTAR PUT EFFORT INTO IT! The Ballod of Gay Tony was rushed, sure all you simple people are all like WOAH BIG FEATURES MISSIONS JUMPING OUT BUILDINGS AND SUPER POWERFUL WEAPONS WOOOH! But the actual storyline contains so little content it's rather pathetic.

 

With The Lost and Damned, most of you wouldn't of done this, but Rockstar have put in background details for nearly all the main members, hanging out with Terry, Clay and Jim reveals a lot of history between the characters, you can call Angus after most missions and him and Johnny have some pretty serious words about where they want to go with The Lost. For example, you know what one hang out session revealed? Johnny is the slowest GTA character because he has a limp, he damaged his right leg in a biking accident when he was younger. Just soo many little details put into the characters, you find out that Terry has a faveourite stripper at Honkers, he has a heroin addict of a brother who turned to god at one point, you learn why Clay likes to sleep around rather than commit, etc. There is a tonne of character detail and storyline detail in The Lost and Damned, plus the story linked back into GTA IV a lot more heavily because of the similar tone, nothing felt out of place.

 

You know another thing I liked in TLAD that wasn't in TBOGT, the bitter irony, Johnny and Niko work with each other twice, and they act as FRIENDS, when really, these two characters actually caused each other some great pain, especially Niko to Johnny. There was just some wicked storyline with those characters that made you feel clever because you, the player, knew the truth, as Johnny and Niko were all hey man, cool, good to see you, etc, when at other points in the story Niko kills two important Lost members and Johnny beats up and kidnaps someone very close to Niko, without each other knowing!

 

I just never got any of that from TBOGT, yes there are more features, but the character details are gone, Armando and Henrique have like five sentences at most! And apart from the actual crossover missions, there's very little linking into the main storyline, it does feel that TBOGT is just there to show off features as most of this crazy OTT sh*t never really got mentioned in IV or TLAD.

 

And that folks, is why I prefer TLAD over TBOGT.

Dude, you summed it up exactly. Although the pause menu music for The Ballad Of Gay Tony was nice, I must admit.

Seconded This.

[GTA:IV]

TBOGT was my favorite. Loved the atmosphere and all the extra features R* put in. TlaD just bored me tbh

[NikoLuisKlebitz]

i agree with ash. one conversation that niko has with roman after calling him after a mission he says something about a "dominician guy". he says something like "i keep seeing him" and "after doing something he's there", obviously talking about luis. im sure there were other coincidences in gta iv and tlad that rockstar forgot about because they were too busy putting features in tbogt and botching the storyline. they could've at least kept some tlad weapons in tbogt. i much prefer the street sweeper from tlad than the explosive shotgun and the pool cue was nice. and for the last mission in tbogt since it takes place after niko's story ends, it would be cool if at funland, niko was there too and luis could say "what are you doing here?" and niko could say "im here for bulgarin" and they could kill him together. there's a lot more possibilities with connecting the stories that rockstar could have made but didnt.

Edited May 14, 2010 by NikoLuisKlebitz

[node808]

TLAD was good but TBoGT was much better. The storyline was much more entertaining.

 

[MadOmega]

 

i agree with ash. one conversation that niko has with roman after calling him after a mission he says something about a "dominician guy". he says something like "i keep seeing him" and "after doing something he's there", obviously talking about luis. im sure there were other coincidences in gta iv and tlad that rockstar forgot about because they were too busy putting features in tbogt and botching the storyline. they could've at least kept some tlad weapons in tbogt. i much prefer the street sweeper from tlad than the explosive shotgun and the pool cue was nice. and for the last mission in tbogt since it takes place after niko's story ends, it would be cool if at funland, niko was there too and luis could say "what are you doing here?" and niko could say "im here for bulgarin" and they could kill him together. there's a lot more possibilities with connecting the stories that rockstar could have made but didnt.

i think you got it wrong... Ash said the connections were added & do not exist (in the way BoGT has connected them)

as for the last mission... the death of Bulgarian (assisted by Niko) would have been much to important, as not to add it, in the main story... i think many would have said: "wait... what? that did not happen..." oh and also i did not see Luise and Niko as actual friend, more like "business" partner at most...

[Brown Sugar]

definitely TBoGT. Departure Time was the best GTA mission ever and the story as a whole was more interesting, it was longer and much more fun. TLAD was still a good story though

[junkpile]

both are really good. except for them plot holes. *spoilers ahead*

 

in TLAD:

why does elizabeta give johnny the phone number of roman, when it isn't clear that he should kidnap him, well, that doesn't really bother me, but if i'd follow the timeline in IV like it is given...PBX already offers you work right after blow your cover, which means the second mission is photo shoot which means roman already get kidnapped. and museum piece happens much later. elizabeta is already in custody then <- packie's missions, and so boccino's are available after have a heart. <- i know, if i follow the timeline in the thread "possible trinity" i can do it but still...kind of plothole. and why is jim all of a sudden a hostage at ray's?...

 

in TBOGT:

why doesn't bulgarin kill luis right in his house? he even shoots his sister. instead he sends him to algonquin, where a whole hit squad shall take him down...snipers, heavy armed men and even a chopper...kind of ridiculous