General Goose Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 This thread is simply about whether you think GTA V will continue following the diamonds that appeared in IV, or give a backstory to them? Personally, it's not a must, but I think it would be interesting to see the story behind the diamonds, and if the next game is in Vice City after the events of IV, the diamonds must make at least a minor appearance. I also think it would give the IV canon some extra continuity, extra links between the stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duxfever Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 Of course. The diamonds were a huge deal in IV, and if the next game is part of the IV-era, someone (like Packie or something) could try to hunt down the person who took them. Does anyone remember what Packie's text said after 'Diamonds are a Girl's Best Friend'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the nameless Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 No, I want everything from 4 removed except for brucie, packie and maybe jacob. Besides, I thought a guy found them in a refuge dump, and planned on selling them to open a shop of some sort in vice city? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinatown Wars Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 No, I want everything from 4 removed except for brucie, packie and maybe jacob. Besides, I thought a guy found them in a refuge dump, and planned on selling them to open a shop of some sort in vice city? No, Luis ran into the War Veteran wich (i think) pick pocketed him (or luis dropped them) and the war veteran found them, and went to Vice City and opened up many gun shops. I would rather have vice city rather than Bogota and all that other crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCstuntman Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 ^^He didn't pick pocket Luis He found them in the trash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smeagol Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 Weren't the diamonds dropped into the back of a truck and somehow made its way into a trashcan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vecceti Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 Luis kept half the diamonds and the other half went to the dump truck and Luis "accidentally" dropped the diamonds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnero Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 Weren't the diamonds dropped into the back of a truck and somehow made its way into a trashcan? Yes, that's the most confusing part in the story. I mean how the hell? and why? Why would the diamonds be in a trashcan(BoGT), while in IV the diamonds were dropped onto a moving garbage truck and later found by some hobo in the dump. Unless, there were 2 bags of Diamonds in the story... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duxfever Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 Look at it this way: the more recent episode "updates" the game prior. For example, the locations of Maisonette 9 and Hercules. These don't exist in vanilla IV (or regular IV, if you please), nor the DLC version of TLAD, but Niko and Johnny can see them anyway and we just don't. I probably put it in a complicated way, but same goes for the diamonds in the trash. I guess another way of saying it would be that the more recent episode is the world which all protagonists actually live in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Notorious MOB Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 What happened was the diamonds were dropped into the back of a dump truck then in GTA IV it says that they were tipped out among a pile of rubble at the city dump and a hobo found them. This story is then changed in TBOGT whereby the hobo finds them in a trashcan in Meadows Park instead of at the city dump. When luis bumps into him he is after being digging around in the trash and picked up something which at the end of the scene turn out to be the diamonds. In my view the updated story is a lot less believable though since a dump truck wouldn't put the dirt it collected into a trashcan in the middle of a park. It is the most recent version opf what happened though so unfortunatly it's the canonical version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McReary7772 Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 I think they should move on from the gta iv era and go to vice city Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nellypellit Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 i strongly think that if its set in vice city you will see the bum/hobo at his gun shop. maybe he will ask you for help or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabalous Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 Lucky that homeless guy , he became rich in seconds accidentally . I think that there's a chance of Vice city being the next setting since he mentioned Vice City as a plan for him to open a weapons shop . Also , he may will be one of the main or secondary characters . If this would happen , then , the next GTA is a part of IV era not V . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrpain Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 I just had a brilliant idea. The homeless guy, Jerry I think, sold the diamonds right? What if the next GTA involves you helping him sell the diamonds? But I cant think of why the protagonist would be helping a homeless guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WF the Hobgoblin Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 If it's an excuse to go back to VC then I'm for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwandilibro Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 No, I want everything from 4 removed except for brucie, packie and maybe jacob. Besides, I thought a guy found them in a refuge dump, and planned on selling them to open a shop of some sort in vice city? No, Luis ran into the War Veteran wich (i think) pick pocketed him (or luis dropped them) and the war veteran found them, and went to Vice City and opened up many gun shops. I would rather have vice city rather than Bogota and all that other crap maybe thoses guns shops are the return of ammunation. and as for bogota, it could only work if it was a small accesible place used for drugs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhoda Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 I don't think it's a good idea at all, no. Simply put, V is strong enough to support it's own story arcs and spheres of influence. It doesn't need to continue IV's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Goose Posted April 3, 2010 Author Share Posted April 3, 2010 Just to clarify any possible confusion: by V, I meant the next game, which will probably be in the same universe as IV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanViking Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 Unless they have Quentin Tarantino, or someone else who's really talented with writing great dialog and creating strong, memorable characters ---- I just don't care if they use the diamonds again. Some of my favorite films are based around something really simple like a case of diamonds or money, and some group trying to get it back.. Reservoir Dogs Pulp Fiction No Country for Old Men Intricate plots are rarely of any real benefit, what makes something like a crime story really enjoyable & memorable is the characters, acting, and unnerving situations (like Mexican standoffs, or scary close-calls with an insane contract killer after the protagonist). GTA IV tried to go for a serious, powerful crime story --- but I feel that it failed by having way too many intricacies, sub plots, and like 50+ characters.. They spread themselves too thin, and individual cutscenes were rarely anything good, not well acted or well written.. So, basically what I mean is the overarching plot synopsis can be very simple, Diamond heists, doesn't matter what it is. What really matters is the characterization: we need some real people acting like real people would act. With genuine motivations and reactions to situations.. GTA IV still had cartoon people. They were rarely stressed out or pissed off, and I don't even remember anyone in IV ever acting like a real person would act in the given situations... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody242 Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 I don't think it'll be another story arc. If it is Vice City we'll most probably just see his Gun stores around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d0mm2k8 Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 GTA IV still had cartoon people. They were rarely stressed out or pissed off, and I don't even remember anyone in IV ever acting like a real person would act in the given situations... Were you playing the same game as me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknowngtafan Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 it really depends. If the next game is in fact GTA V no i really dont, as i feel V will be another different era. If the next game is the same era but takes place in vice, San andreas or another place yes i do because itll be the thing the entire era revolves around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duxfever Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 Guys, keep in mind that if it were set in modern times, two or three years would pass so Jerry could've done something (e.g. move to another place). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanViking Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 GTA IV still had cartoon people. They were rarely stressed out or pissed off, and I don't even remember anyone in IV ever acting like a real person would act in the given situations... Were you playing the same game as me? Yes I was. Manny, Packie, Little Jacob, Bernie Crane, etc... ALL had missions involving death, or a warehouse shootout, or a warehouse of dead bodies, or murdering a homophobic man, or killing drug dealers ---- even during shootouts they lacked any humanity or realness. So yes, many of GTA IVs characters were like cartoons (or secretly extremely sociopathic)... Even Roman wasn't very deep or believable ---- he'd witness shootouts, or a great deal of death, and the next day everything was dandy.. It didn't effect him. Dimitri untied Niko & Roman in the basement, and suddenly Niko just trusts him, and he goes off and steals vans for them ---- it's all very unnatural and far from believable. If GTA IV were made into a film, remade shot for shot (cutscenes remade with live actors, exactly) it would be laughed at. I'm not hating GTA IV for this, but in the future I expect some noteworthy storytelling, and better dialog/characterization IF every major review is gonna be touting it as "Oscar Worthy" .... Lastly, Pegorino was an asshole, and not even a compelling asshole. he acted like a kid, or just an idiot. GTA IV narrative is more like amateur fan fiction. Throughout, I'd say Faustin and his wife Elena were the only decent/compelling/realistic/believable/whatever characters.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody242 Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 GTA IV still had cartoon people. They were rarely stressed out or pissed off, and I don't even remember anyone in IV ever acting like a real person would act in the given situations... Were you playing the same game as me? Yes I was. Manny, Packie, Little Jacob, Bernie Crane, etc... ALL had missions involving death, or a warehouse shootout, or a warehouse of dead bodies, or murdering a homophobic man, or killing drug dealers ---- even during shootouts they lacked any humanity or realness. So yes, many of GTA IVs characters were like cartoons (or secretly extremely sociopathic)... Even Roman wasn't very deep or believable ---- he'd witness shootouts, or a great deal of death, and the next day everything was dandy.. It didn't effect him. Dimitri untied Niko & Roman in the basement, and suddenly Niko just trusts him, and he goes off and steals vans for them ---- it's all very unnatural and far from believable. If GTA IV were made into a film, remade shot for shot (cutscenes remade with live actors, exactly) it would be laughed at. I'm not hating GTA IV for this, but in the future I expect some noteworthy storytelling, and better dialog/characterization IF every major review is gonna be touting it as "Oscar Worthy" .... Lastly, Pegorino was an asshole, and not even a compelling asshole. he acted like a kid, or just an idiot. GTA IV narrative is more like amateur fan fiction. Throughout, I'd say Faustin and his wife Elena were the only decent/compelling/realistic/believable/whatever characters.. I don't think it'd be laughed at. Niko did that job for Dimitri because they had Roman hostage. But yeah I agree with everything else. I hadnt really noticed that, but if in the movie they were work on those things, I think it'd be pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 I don't know alot of games where the characters act like real people would in certain situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhoda Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 I don't know alot of games where the characters act like real people would in certain situations. There are very little, because that's the entire point of a game. If Niko weren't to trust Dimitri we wouldn't have had that story arc. Come to think of it, we wouldn't have 70% of the missions we did. Mind, Niko did what he did because of Roman. I could go on but I won't. Sure, GTAIV isn't Oscar worthy, but it doesn't need to be if you can take it at face value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanViking Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 (edited) I don't know alot of games where the characters act like real people would in certain situations. There are very little, because that's the entire point of a game. I thought the point of videogames was to experience things we don't get to experience in reality.. I thought that was the appeal of modern games, experience war, experience a criminal's life. Be in a shootout, car chase, skydive. To be frank, more realistic depictions of these things (and character's reacting) would enhance the experience, as the player would be closer to the illusion of being there... therefore it would be more exciting, intense, etc... Edited April 4, 2010 by RomanViking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanjeem Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 Yes if it is in Vice City yes, I would want Jerry Kapovitz to be your personal Gun supplier living it big in his Mansion, and you Have to Protect him from the Russians, The Mafia, Bikers e.t.c. until somthing happens to the Diamonds, mabey jerry keeps them or some other Gang takes them. The Diamonds would however be in Money since Jerry sold them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firefly8000 Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 (edited) Jerry wanted to open up shops that sell guns, ammunition and alcohol,in Vice City. A future shopping chain in the series, perhaps? (i think he wanted to name the shop "Kapowitz Guns & Liquor" or something like that.) I've also noticed Jerry is seen during a cutscene in "Clean Getaway". Edited April 5, 2010 by Firefly8000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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