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Canofceleri

Rape Lay: the rape simulator

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BrownBear

I don't care.

If it gets you off and you keep it to yourself, thats up to you.

So what if someone is turned on by rape fantsay, if its kept as a fantasy its not going to harm anyone.

Everyone has their preferations, i personally don't like rape but who cares if someone does?

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d0mm2k8

It's quite a fun game honestly sarcasm.gif

My girlfriend found it hilarious and kept insisting to anal rape the mother constantly sarcasm.gif

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Gets repetitive but it's still a good laugh regardless sarcasm.gif

I also got a slight boner when I groped down the mom's pants - fun stuff, fun stuff sarcasm.gif

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I would never rape someone in real life though (truth alert!)

That's what makes games so good - you can do stuff you don't do or wouldn't ever think of doing sarcasm.gif

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Moonshield
I also got a slight boner when I groped down the mom's pants - fun stuff, fun stuff.

You're a pathetic excuse for a human man.

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customkingpimp

Wow, There are some twisted people out there. Game or not, Anyone who rapes, plays a game of rape, is a sick person. how could you degrade a woman like that. Just wrong.

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K^2
Wow, There are some twisted people out there. Game or not, Anyone who rapes, plays a game of rape, is a sick person. how could you degrade a woman like that. Just wrong.

And how can you just take countless lives in cold blood? You're a monster, and the fact that it's just a game doesn't make it any less so.

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General Goose

Rape has a certain stigma not attached to other serious crimes, like murder. It's degrading, cruel, sadistic, for a sexual kick, and no else. While admittedly rapes against a male are still not treated as seriously by society as rapes against females (a double standard there), rape is still regarded as one of the most serious crimes out there. I guess the reason murder in video games is not regarded so negatively as rape is, is because murder is not so, for lack of a better word, graphic and dirty. And if you rape someone, I can see no real, likely, reason other than for sadistic sexual kicks. Murder has a myriad of reasons, and while taking a live is wrong, and TECHNICALLY worse than rape, many of those reasons are sympathetic (e.g if a relative gets harmed or killed and overtaken by passion you track down the perpetrator and kill him; self defence; crime of passion; forced into it, blah blah blah.)

 

If GTA involved you running around the city and raping lone pedestrians, I'm sure it would be a lot more shocking, senseless and disgusting than it is now. Murdering someone in a video game is I guess just for laughs or for stress relief or for an objective or for another reason. It doesn't normally state a desire or interest in murder in real life, it's just mindless fun. But raping in RapeLay, it's planned. It's the point of the game. It achieves nothing else other than cheap perverted sexual kicks. Getting off to RapeLay, while not a guarantee, probably means you're at least interested or amused, however slightly, in raping another. I won't say you will, I trust your self-control and maturity, but it means you probably have an interest or fetish in it and the associated sexual dominance you have on your poor victim.

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customkingpimp

Your right, Murder TECHNICALLY is worse than rape, But I like to think of it the opposite way, With rape, The woman or man has to live with that for the rest of their life, Knowing that they were violated like that. Its just sad, and for the japs to make a game about it, just sick.

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d0mm2k8

 

You're a pathetic excuse for a human man.

Jesus, I was joking sigh.gif

I haven't even been on the game and the post was purely for piss-take reasons.

Perhaps a sarcasm smiley would of helped?

 

I could only enjoy anything sexually if the participants were willing and rape is just wrong.

But I won't condemn anyone for playing a rapegame as long as they don't actually rape.

 

 

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K^2
Your right, Murder TECHNICALLY is worse than rape, But I like to think of it the opposite way, With rape, The woman or man has to live with that for the rest of their life, Knowing that they were violated like that. Its just sad, and for the japs to make a game about it, just sick.

If living with it is worse than death, you leave them an option of suicide. Some people aren't bothered by it nearly as much, though, and they get over it eventually. In a rape, you leave the person traumatized, but with a choice. When you kill someone, you take away all their choices.

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Dingdongs

I think it should be perfectly legal. The fact is, statistics show that Japan has a lot less rapes than we do here in the US. These games let those sick pieces of sh*t who rape children and rape people to get it out in a video game, rather than doing it in real life.

That also leads me to say that I don't believe the government should tell people what types of games they can play in the privacy of their own home.

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E.A.B.

 

Oh and I don't really see it as wrong. Unless the daughters are underage. That's pretty f*cked up. It is, after all though, just a game.

Underage varies from culture to culture

 

I believe the age of consent in Italy is 14 or so; don't quote me on that, though. Hell; there was no such thing as 'age of consent' in the past. No one went through an id check in any time during history before the 1900's.

 

As for the game; who gives a flying f*ck. It's crappy, its dumb and it continues the typical Japanese fetish of girls who inhale helium too much. The only reason its getting attention is because people still seem to be under the impression that video games are specifically a childs thing only. Otherwise, Tubgirl was ten times worse and TWICE AS LEGAL!

 

Or Lemon Party, for that matter. LOLMAKELEMONADEGETIT!?!?

 

 

Wow, There are some twisted people out there. Game or not, Anyone who rapes, plays a game of rape, is a sick person. how could you degrade a woman like that. Just wrong.

 

Fetishes. They're the natural outcome of social happenings and all that jazz, ya herd?

 

Kinda like how bondage was popular once the feminist movement took hold? Yeah...

 

I have no idea what their fascination with rape is. From what I understand, their society is conservative and their women are....f*ck it, I'm not gonna bother. just understand that its easy to pass judgement, but harder t investigate and find out why.

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Thing is, just because a game like this helps people "keep their issues to themselves" doesn't mean that other people have to like it. You can argue for its existence until you're blue in the face, but I am still going to assume that anyone who plays it is a closet paedophile, or worse.

You seem to be more concerned that the people playing or condoning this game have some kind of subconscious pedophilia, am I right?

 

To me the question that hasn't really been addressed very well... Does wanting to play games involving murder mean you have a subconscious urge to be a murderer? I mean, are people watching Dexter on Showtime sitting there going, "Oh, man, I'd love to be a serial killer". I don't think so, and I don't think that playing some game like this means that the person wants to diddle little kids either.

 

People want to expose themselves to this kind of stuff for the taboo of it, so they get a rush of "I'm looking at something bad". Most people can't really do that with movies/games about murder because we're so desensitized to murder now days. I mean, you can see it in this thread, the general consensus is that rape is worse than murder, and especially if it's a rape of a child. The thing most people neglect is that how many cases is the rape of a child taken on to the murder of that child? How can you then focus on the sexual part of it? Beacuse it's not taboo, and we're just so use to murder, we don't pay attention to it unless the sicko also put them in the freezer and eats them too, since that would be sensational due to the cannibalism aspect of it.

 

As far as I'm concerned, the resistance of this kind of material in fiction is about as hysterical as Christians worrying about books that contain stories of witch craft. The idea that some fictitious story is going to cause people to be "evil" or something of that nature. I'm sure some stupid kid somewhere has jumped off of his roof on a broom stick after reading Harry Potter though, but the thing is for the most part it's not looked at negatively by society. So in a way I do think that games about murder, rape, etc. do represent a bit of an underlying attraction, but I think the mere fact that the person is doing so in a game or watching a movie already points out that the person knows right from wrong and is only doing it in fantasy beacuse they know doing it in reality would be wrong. However, that doesn't negate the fact that there are dumbasses who will still jump off of a roof on a broomstick, and so I wonder if maybe there are some out there who don't realize that rape and what not is wrong, don't have a good sense of society, and might even see this as an endorsement.

 

So while I'm sure no one has much sympathy for pedophiles or rapists, do you really think that something should be done about people who want to read or experience stories about either/both? What about murder stories? I mean granted everyone seems to think murder is less heinous, I'm not going to argue against that, but doesn't it still represent some minor interest--some attraction--to murder in a person?

 

I mean, GTA would be a boring game if all you could do was run people over and shoot them... That's all I really do in it though, and I get bored of it in two hours. I watch Dexter too, and Manhunt is one of my favorite games. However, do I want to go be some maniac serial killer? No, the reason I do it in a video game, or watch it on TV, is beacuse it's not real, it's not as unpleasant as it would really be, and I still get that thrill of, "Oh, this is wrong, this is taboo, this is controversial," even though nothing bad has actually happened. I just so happen to be one of those people that doesn't have any attraction to rape or little kids, but does that I mean I think anyone who does really wants to do that? Well if so, then I would suspect people think I really want to be a sociopathic serial killer.

 

 

I mean not to throw this topic too off subject but I want to relate it to hunting. I use to play the sh*t out of Deer Hunter 4, and I didn't play it for the challenge of the hunt or anything. I enter cheats that would teleport me up behind a deer, invisible, and I could just kill it. Obviously I wasn't the only person interested in that, otherwise no one else would have found those cheats and posted them. I don't really know why, maybe I just liked guns too much, and liked the fact that it showed "entry" and "exit" wounds ( I have a feeling I'm not making the case that I'm not a serial killer too well ) and how different firearms made each and what not.

 

Flash forward to the first time I ever had a deer in my sights. I was on a hunting trip, and everyone figured because I liked that damn game so much, maybe I'd like hunting. And it was just a deer, so who cares... Well when it came time to shoot it, I cared, and I couldn't do it. I mean, I acted like I missed just so I didn't seem like a pussy, but the bottom line is that I didn't kill that deer though even I]/i] thought I would because of that stupid game. When it came down to it though, I knew what it was like to shoot and kill a deer in real life, even though I hadn't done it. It'd scream in pain, it'd bleed out, and then we'd have to go deal with it, and it would be disgusting, and I'd probably feel bad about it. There's none of that with a video game, all you have is a "Point, click, dead deer... Heh, there's probably something wrong with me."

 

I tend to agree with you a little bit that if someone wants to play this game, it maybe shows some subconscious attraction to that kind of thing, but I really don't think there's anything wrong with that in most cases because I don't think it really represents a strong desire in people. I mean, one could argue, "But you went hunting, doesn't that show you'd be willing to go up to the point?"

 

In a way it does, but the thing about it is, I live in a hunter's paradise. Practically everyone here hunts, there is pretty much zero stigma attached to it. I mean, I remember going to the Sherrif's station to get a hunting license, and the damn Sherrif sitting there all encouraging, "Get a big one!" and sh*t. Do you think if anyone ever walked up to Cand and said, "Hey, you want to rape this ten year old and her mother?" it would be a situation like that? Think the Sherrif would pat him on the back and say, "Get a tight one!"

 

So in a way my minor little interest in hunting got me thrust into all of this encouragement, and endorsement for what I was doing, and despite the fact I wanted to play a game where ALL I wanted to do was kill deer and see what it would do, I didn't want to do it in real life when it came down to it because I knew it would be different. I'd have to deal with the "reality" of things, and really... Though it makes me sound like a giant John Denver queer or something, I just didn't want to kill such a beautiful animal. I mean, you just can't really appreciate wildlife through a camera lens on flim like you can through a gunsight in real life... Being in the same forest, breathing the same air, actually being able to willfully kill that creature.... I don't think it's really any kind of feeling that words can quantify, and unless you're doing it for the sport or the food, I don't see how a person could justify it, and even if they did it for sport or food they would still feel bad enough about it to feel the need to justify it. That's the discord between fantasy and reality that really does make a difference, and I think when it comes down to something that's acceptable like this you wind up seeing people who really wouldn't want to do it otherwise, but do so out of peer pressure, or beacuse they want to eat, or what not. That's a weird thing to consider, seeing as when it comes to rape, there might actually be peer pressure involved, and what happens if there is no stigma associated with it for some reason, maybe the culture you're in or something...

 

I mean, did I want to play DH4 with cheats on beacuse I wanted to kill deers? I thought so, that's why I went hunting, but then why didn't I kill the one I could have in real life? Beacuse there's always a distinction between real and not real, and the fact that something is not real means you can experience it without consequence. When we're talking about things like deer hunting simulations that's an easier thing to live with beacuse there's no taboo associated with it, but when it comes down to rape and pedophilia sh*t, that's a harder pill to swallow.

 

I've got no theories on that that don't make me sound like i think I'm some kind of psychiatrist, but personally I just don't think that people want to accept that a subconscious part of themselves can have some interest in that, because it makes them feel like they're sick. So when it comes down to anyone else having that same subconscious thought, then that means, "There's something wrong with them, they'd actually do it, they're different from me..."

 

 

I still don't know if I would allow such things to go uncensored though. I mean, let's acknowledge that people do probably have some subconscious "attraction" to rape or what not, maybe for the taboo aspect of it, who knows. For the most part what's stopping them is they realize, "Hey, that's not cool... That person got hurt, I'm going to jail," etc. There are negative consequences... Oh sure they might not all be noble like, "I could never hurt a woman," they might be "sleazy" like, "I'll get raped in prison," but they deter people. Society in general deters people from this and that, and then in the same breath they can encourage people along the same lines, call it peer pressure if you want--I can't think of anything better. I mean, no one in my area finds deer hunting reprehensible, but that's because I live with a bunch of hicks. If I lived with a bunch of ex-cons or Hippies, would they find rap reprehensible?

 

I do think there's a bit of danger involved in that though. Beacuse I mean, sure I didn't kill the deer, but how many kids hunting trips did start on that pretext? They shot some deer because they liked some stupid game or hunting magazine, and their more-than-encouraging family members took them out to kill one themselves, beacuse that's in the culture. Is that "right" or "wrong"? That subject is not so black and white amongst people and I have no conclusion on it, but what I question is if games involving rape and pedophilia become more acceptable, then what happens when some kid is at a party and the situation with no stigma attached, but all encouragement, is whether or not to rape the drunk chick?

 

So in a way I'd like to say that games like this shouldn't exist because they might cause things like that, but in a way I don't want to say that because it doesn't always. To me murder is still much worse than all of this, and it makes me think how many weirdos are there out in the world that shot a man beacuse they saw it on TV and wanted to see it in real life? Does that mean we should outlaw murder mysteries or violent TV?

 

Anyway, I do think that it expresses a subconscious desire in some people, but I don't think that it's a black and white ting, and even if it is, what should we do about it? Outlaw shows like Dexter because people that will go out and kill? Outlaw Harry Potter because of dumbass kids that are going to jump off their house thinking "they're a witch"? Outlaw this game because of people that might decide to go rape a ten year old?

 

It doesn't seem logical to outlaw it, and so I think the only thing left for most people to do is chastise the people that are interested in this. Not because you really have a strong personal dislike for them--well maybe if someone wants to rape kids or something. However I mean, I doubt anyone would have a real strong problem with me if I had killed the deer, but it's totally legal... So if someone did, what would they have left to do? Question my character and "why" I wanted to kill it, call me blood thirsty, barbaric, etc. just to try to put some kind of deterrent up against it.

 

So when it comes down to it, why worry if the only people that like this game are closet pedophiles? Obviously they're not going to hurt a real child, it doesn't make much sense to outlaw the material, and talking about the merits of the game itself is pointless...

 

I don't think you really believe anyone is a closet pedo if they want to see this, I think you're just so personally offended by the material that you don't have anything left to do but attack that. I mean personally I don't give a crap about pedophilia, I'm not one of those person that thinks every thing can be worse if it just happens to a child, so I can't really relate to you 100%, but I think I get it it. If you can't say, "It should be outlawed," beacuse it's fiction, and you can't really say, "It will cause rape," because it's not true," than the only other real way to send some kind of message of deterence across is to chastise people that might be interested in that kind of thing.

 

More power to you, but I just don't think there's a point in doing it other than to make yourself feel better. That feeling of, "Well, at least I don't find it acceptable," but do you really think homophobes that protest movies where two dykes kiss or two cowboys f*ck feel any differently? Do you really think their claims of, "This will cause rampant butt sex!" is true? When it comes right down to it, the only thing that motivates people to speak out about that is how wrong they feel it is. Not many people feel that homophobia is very wrong, but pedophila on the other hand... Damn.

 

So I mean, when it comes right down to it, do you have a problem with it because it actually represents a real issue, or just beacuse of your strong feelings toward the content?

 

 

Anyway, not to make this too much lengthier...

 

I don't see any correlation between Japan's low rape statistics, and this kind of material not being suppressed. The idea that they can "get their fix" without raping someone is ridiculous. I mean, if that were the case, why would any serial killer want to kill anyone in America when they could just find some movie or story to read about doing it?

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E.A.B.

 

Words words words

 

SagaciousKJB YOU MAGNIFICENT BASTARD I LOOOVE YOUUUUUUU!

 

WRITE A f*ckING BOOK WE CANT ALLOW THAT PRECIOUS MIND OF YOURS TO WHITHER AWAY WITH THE CLOCKS CONSTANT ROTATIONS

 

Edit-Also, while I agree with your last statement about rape statistics; it's more or less just a fact pointed out to support the argument that this type of material doesn't encourage or increase rape anymore than normal. Not that it DECREASES rape or 'statisfies urges'.

 

Cause quite frankly, if you're up to the point of trying to 'satisfy' such a violent urge, you're beyond salvation.

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Canofceleri

Sag, I actually do believe the majority of people have a certain drive in them to commit violent acts. Most can suppress it, but it seems destructiveness and violence is apart of our natures that is only kept at bay by our executive functions. Bottom line, you see or talk about violence in detail and things start to happen, blood pressures go up, etc.

 

It's even reflected in simple psychology experiments where people have to fill in the blanks in words after they've been subjected to some sort of negative situation.

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arsenal_fan

I find this game really repulsive but then again, I enjoy running down pedestrians in GTA, so I suppose I can't really comment without being a hypocrite.

 

 

Although, in GTA when you kill someone it's much more mindless, in this game, don't you have more planning and time on raping someone? In GTA, it usually is either a quick shot in the end or a simple kncok from a car.

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AlfieWilRus

To my opinion some things such as rape shouldn't be in video games. I love violence in video games but rape is just too much. Everything else is fine, its just that rape is not to be put in games.

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nerner
To my opinion some things such as rape shouldn't be in video games. I love violence in video games but rape is just too much. Everything else is fine, its just that rape is not to be put in games.

I don't fully understand your point of view here. On the one hand you are saying that violence is fine to be included in video games, but in juxtaposition to that you are saying that rape, which in itself is a form of violence just with dicks involved, is a definite no.

 

I agree with the fact that rape is an unacceptable form of violence and shouldn't be in a game in any form whatsoever. After all 99% of the damage that a rape does is internal, inside the head of the victim. There may be no damage showing, or only superficial damage to the patient in question, but who knows what they feel like on the inside? The patient is likely to be mentaly damaged, may not want to go outside, or suffer from other mental ailments which come as a by product of being forcibly f*cked.

 

The victim of the attack could also be pregnant. And if that doesn't f*ck them up completely then whatever.

 

What puzzles me somewhat was the quote "Everything else is fine" which in fact disturbs me a little. Surely you can't mean that all other crimes against the person aside from violently sodomising them should be allowed. I don't know, lets take a look at prison sentences for various crimes in the United Kingdom:

 

Rape - 5 years

Kidnap/False Imprisonment - 8 years

Assault - 6 months

Wounding or Inflicting Grievous Bodily Harm with Intent - In the case of a GTA mission style, probably 13-16 years

Murder - In the case of GTA missions, Life.

 

A particularly sick man would look at that and say:

 

"Hmm, in a GTA game we do all of those except rape, to make it more real, how about we include a rape element as well?"

 

I don't agree with that point of view however I guess I can empathise to some degree with people who say: "If GTA won't turn us into a murderer, then why will Rapelay turn us into a rapist or a child molester?" I suppose my answer to that would be to think of the children. While it is an undoubtable fact that GTA and other violent games are played by people who aren't of a legal age to buy them and are just taking advantage of unknowing parents, I did that and I am sure many people on these forums did/do so, most are reasonably confident that they won't become a violent sociopath afterwards. I know I was never really in that much danger. I wonder if that is because of the detachment from the action that you as a player feel whilst in game.

 

Lets talk about the first time I played GTA, Vice City mania was in full flow and I picked up a copy, shot some peds and cops and was immediately hooked. However despite being far too young to understand half of the naughty words that were said or comprehend a lot of the vulgar references in game I always knew it was just that, only a game. There has never been, and I doubt that there will ever be a game which fully immerses me to the extent of a good horror movie, for example Paranormal Activity. And I doubt that there will be for some time yet.

 

I have never really thought deeply on that subject but I guess I feel that way because despite all of the dipsh*ts screaming: "MOAR REALIMS 4 US" the next kill is always only a button press away. It will never really be as disturbing as a good movie because of this. Until games are impulse and thought controlled like real life there will never be a danger of grooming people to violence when it comes to killing. Unless a child/adult is so unbalaced that they can not comprehend where real life ends and the games begin, in which case such age ratings do not necessarily mean sh*t.

 

I have always advocated a common sense policy, where it is up to the parents to make an informed decision based on listings of what the games contain on whether or not to give them to their child to play with. A simple and effective way to stop pricks from buying their kids GTA without the seller being satisfied would be to give both the kids and parents an IQ test. I know that will never happen, but whatever...

 

Going back to my point, my sole fear with rape and molestation being included, which would include button presses to simulate violent sexual assaults and so forth, is that it would cross the threshold of when a game becomes too real to not influence people's thought processes somewhat. We've all been rather busy doing missions or stunt jumps, or just rampaging to notice the clock ticking on in front of us. But imagine being too caught up raping a young mother to notice that it's nearly bedtime, tell me that that wouldn't have an effect on your thought processes? Maybe you would then think that rape is to be encouraged, or even an acceptable weekend pursuit...

 

I guess that is why there was such a furore around the Hot Coffee saga. It's one thing killing something, it's another thing entirely to completely remove someones dignity, leaving a shell of a person behind. That in my opinion is where video games go too far.

 

 

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K^2

 

To my opinion some things such as rape shouldn't be in video games. I love violence in video games but rape is just too much. Everything else is fine, its just that rape is not to be put in games.

Your test results are back. Congratulations. You are a hypocrite.

 

I suppose my answer to that would be to think of the children.

Considering how easy it is to find videos of simulated (and not only) rape on-line, I'm not sure you still have a point. I've seen a few before I played GTA III, and I was what, 16 when III came out?

 

Would simulated interactive rape in a game that involves rendered characters be really that much worse than simulated rape in a video filmed with actual actors?

 

Sure, either one is a hit against child psyche, but it's also demonstrably unavoidable in a lot of cases. Trying to shield children from such material is futile. They'll encounter it eventually. Hopefully, later rather than sooner. But your best bet, as a parent, is making sure you have good talks with your kids, and take interest in what they watch and play. Trying to shift blame for your neglect onto makers of the game that's obviously not designed for children after-the-fact, is silly. And making it into a tactic for raising your child is absolutely irresponsible.

Edited by K^2

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To my opinion some things such as rape shouldn't be in video games. I love violence in video games but rape is just too much. Everything else is fine, its just that rape is not to be put in games.

Your test results are back. Congratulations. You are a hypocrite.

100% agreeable there K^2.

 

Rape= Bad

Violent massacre's of innocent people= good?

 

Come one, examine what you're going to say before you post it, lest you fall to the might of the great K^2!

 

 

But really, I think both should be in a game, or at least consensual sex. I mean what message does this send to our youth, "Oh, kill that old lady, but don't dare rape that sexually active woman. It's wrong" I mean, really?

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If our 'youth' are so easily impressionable to take away the message that the violence they commit in a videogame is in any way "OK", then we've got bigger problems.

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If our 'youth' are so easily impressionable to take away the message that the violence they commit in a videogame is in any way "OK", then we've got bigger problems.

You are right there, of course when I said "OK" I meant reasonable to use in video games. Not "OK" to actually commit the act. If anyone does anything in GTAIV in real life, they are probably doing a crime, so it is not "OK" by any standards.

 

But this topic was not about that, it was about Rape 'Simulations'. Even if I don't like the idea, the fact remains that we should fight to defend it. Not because it is "OK" to do, but because without that in a video game, we would feel less immersed in a crime world.

 

Of course, rape was in games before already. So really, this whole conversation is about whether or not it was acceptable, and in that case, it was.

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If our 'youth' are so easily impressionable to take away the message that the violence they commit in a videogame is in any way "OK", then we've got bigger problems.

We don't have problems, they have problems. Hence why I suggested what I suggested in my post up there.

 

To be honest I find myself yet again agreeing with K^2.

 

 

Considering how easy it is to find videos of simulated (and not only) rape on-line, I'm not sure you still have a point. I've seen a few before I played GTA III, and I was what, 16 when III came out?

 

This point in particular I find rings true, however I know people who were given GTA at age 8, not 16 when you received it, simply because the parents assumed that, "It can't be that bad." F*ck knows what those kids would have turned out like if they could have controlled a sexual predator as well as a murderer.

 

In my mind at least the rapist will always operate on another level, as will anyone whos modus operandi is simple degradation of the victim. Serial killers I can somewhat understand, same goes for hitmen, but rapists and paedophiles... I just don't really know if I'd want to play a game involving either of those aspects, it just really isn't in my psyche.

 

 

But really, I think both should be in a game, or at least consensual sex. I mean what message does this send to our youth, "Oh, kill that old lady, but don't dare rape that sexually active woman. It's wrong" I mean, really?

 

I really hope you are joking up there. I assume so because of the small text, but if that's really how you think, I feel for your kids.

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Bottom line - the media may influence and induce ignorance, but it's never going to cause someone to lose sight of the fine line between reality and fantasy. That's a bullsh*t boogeyman that the decency police pull out whenever they get a little too edgy about something.

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But really, I think both should be in a game, or at least consensual sex. I mean what message does this send to our youth, "Oh, kill that old lady, but don't dare rape that sexually active woman. It's wrong" I mean, really?

 

I really hope you are joking up there. I assume so because of the small text, but if that's really how you think, I feel for your kids.

This is something you can look two ways at. On one hand, yeah, I wouldn't want my kids to play something like that. (Well, I suppose depends on what do you mean by 'kids'. The older I get, the further that margin moves...) But on the other hand, that might be a good thing. Let me qualify.

 

What's bad about GTA? To a young audience that is. You can kill people. And how many games such a description excludes? Make it "people or humanoid aliens" and that's virtually every popular game out there, with exception of racers. (On a side note, cheap racers probably kill more teens than violent games do. But I digress.) Even in Sims you can murder people. So parents don't really care. When Timmy asks for GTA, they buy him GTA. But sex, for better or worse, still has some shock value. Throw in sex, and parents will think twice. Again, most parents, not everyone by any means.

 

So throwing in something as natural as a sex scene in a mature game can mean fewer copies filled with murder, drug abuse, and irresponsible driving, finding their ways to the youth.

 

I really do think the net result would be positive, but public might not be prepared for such subtleties.

 

As far as simulated, interactive sex in GTA game (we already had non-interactive sex scene in Vice City - nobody complained), I don't think it would be a good addition, public reaction aside. I tried the Hot Coffee mod. Yes, I know it wasn't a carefully planned out feature, and all slack should be cut, but it still did not seem like something that should be a feature.

 

You could build a fun free roaming game around it. Bonetown is the best example I know. It's a sex game, but it has a lot of good gameplay elements in it, as well as variety of entertaining characters, good humor, interesting fighting mechanics, and beautiful environments. Trying to introduce rape would probably ruin it, simply because it would take away from light-hearted nature of the game. But I'm sure one could come up with a game that involves rape as gameplay element and is still worth something as a game. You'd probably have to start out with a psycho-killer kind of game with Manhunt's gameplay elements, and build on that, which will automatically make it a niche game. But who knows, it might sell enough copies to make a profit. Especially if Australia banns it, and news networks start making noise over it.

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Even in Sims you can murder people. So parents don't really care. When Timmy asks for GTA, they buy him GTA. But sex, for better or worse, still has some shock value. Throw in sex, and parents will think twice. Again, most parents, not everyone by any means.

 

So throwing in something as natural as a sex scene in a mature game can mean fewer copies filled with murder, drug abuse, and irresponsible driving, finding their ways to the youth.

 

I agree that sex could be used as an instrument which could possibly help to prevent very underaged children from being bought the game by parents, however in the USA wouldn't a sex scene warrant an AO rating rather than an M rating? Thereby decreasing Rockstar's sales value to teenagers in the USA, which is obviously their most popular target market and the one that most of their games are aimed for. Despite what it says on the box I would say that most GTA players are between the ages of 14-21.

 

Mature: Sexual Content

Adults Only: Graphic or prolonged sexual content/nudity.

 

Therefore a sex cutscene in a GTA game wouldn't affect the rating but a sex minigame a la "hot coffee" would certainly bump it up to an AO rating.

 

But what we are talking about here is rape. And that certainly has a much larger shock value than anything else aside from possibly extreme torture when it comes to parents deciding what games their kids should play. This can clearly be seen in this thread, with half the posts being like this one:

 

To my opinion some things such as rape shouldn't be in video games. I love violence in video games but rape is just too much. Everything else is fine, its just that rape is not to be put in games.

Which isn't necessarily hypocritical, just a sweeping statement made by a guy who is so unused to seeing any sexual content in games, he places it on a higher tier of awfulness than any other graphic violence which he may have seen before.

 

So why are people afraid of sex but not murder? Maybe it is because they can distance themselves from murder, saying that it probably won't be in their lives, whereas sex is almost as inevitable as death for most people. I am guessing that parents don't want their kids to be educated sexually by characters in a game. Which I am guessing is why consensual sex, and especially rape, in video games will always remain a taboo subject in families, much like pornography is.

 

 

Bottom line - the media may influence and induce ignorance, but it's never going to cause someone to lose sight of the fine line between reality and fantasy. That's a bullsh*t boogeyman that the decency police pull out whenever they get a little too edgy about something.

 

For a normal person I totally agree. But what happens when the person involved is already mentally ill or exhibits some psychotic tendencies. Then you get cases like this. Where the kid is quite obviously unfit to be playing the game in the first place and is trying to pass the buck from his own evil to ignorance that he learned in a video game.

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I'm talking hypothetically. Yes. Any game with simulated interactive sex is automatically an AO, which is a bit silly, IMO, but that's how it goes. In Europe, they'd probably get away with it, with an 18+ rating already on the box. Australia would outright ban the game. But the biggest problem is that an AO in US means no 360 and no PS3 licensing. I don't think R* wants GTA to go PC exclusive.

 

Any game that takes things into that realm would have to be a PC exclusive and digitally distributed. Of course, on PC, digital distribution is already 48% of sales, so if you are happy with the game being designed for PC market only, that's not actually a problem. You'd still lose more than half of potential profit from console markets, so a game that's already making huge sales on consoles isn't going to go this route. It'd have to be new IP.

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I agree that sex could be used as an instrument which could possibly help to prevent very underaged children from being bought the game by parents, however in the USA wouldn't a sex scene warrant an AO rating rather than an M rating?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your source is outdated. Red Dead Redemption shows a 30 sex scene with full frontal of a woman. GTA IV: The Lost and Damned shows full male nudity.

 

Times are changing, America is slowly but surely changing into a more open-minded Country, regarding this whole nudity thing.

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Rape Lay is the worst point-and-click game I ever played, I mean the start is promising but then it gets really boring and repetitive. I uninstalled it after 30 min of playing it. the worst thing is, everyone who saw me playing it now thinks I'm a pervert. mad.gif

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Rape Lay is the worst point-and-click game I ever played, I mean the start is promising but then it gets really boring and repetitive. I uninstalled it after 30 min of playing it. the worst thing is, everyone who saw me playing it now thinks I'm a pervert. mad.gif

You f*cking pervert.

 

Lol, either way it's only a game in the end.

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I agree that sex could be used as an instrument which could possibly help to prevent very underaged children from being bought the game by parents, however in the USA wouldn't a sex scene warrant an AO rating rather than an M rating?

 

Your source is outdated. Red Dead Redemption shows a 30 sex scene with full frontal of a woman. GTA IV: The Lost and Damned shows full male nudity.

 

Times are changing, America is slowly but surely changing into a more open-minded Country, regarding this whole nudity thing.

Was that RDR thing only to show that they can show titties too though?

 

Anyway here is a quote from another source.

 

 

Titles rated M (Mature) have content that may be suitable for persons ages 17 and older. Titles in this category may contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content and/or strong language.

Sex with a pair of titties out or a man getting his penis out while receiving a massage would certainly come under this bracket. Meanwhile:

 

 

Titles rated AO (Adults Only) have content that should only be played by persons 18 years and older. Titles in this category may include prolonged scenes of intense violence and/or graphic sexual content and nudity.

The hot coffee minigame comes into this category, therefore GTA: San Andreas was made AO not long after the discovery of the hidden content. Other games with interactive sex scenes would also fall into this bracket. Partial nudity means M, prolonged/interactive nudity means AO.

 

Go to the ESRB website and search for AO and M games. You will see strong sexual content is the only real qualifier for an AO rating. And I can personally assure you that the ESRB keep their site up to date...

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