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Canofceleri

Rape Lay: the rape simulator

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makeshyft
So murder is a lesser crime than rape? Really? Sure, its traumatic, etc. But at least a portion of victims recover and move on with their lives. Murder is a 100% guaranteed end of life. Yet we are perfectly fine with simulating a murder fantasy, and get all upset about a rape fantasy?

I'm not defending a game that solely allows you to murder anyone, either.

 

My point is, that this game has no point to it other than the rape simulation. That's the problem. It isn't an ancillary aspect of an overall larger game.

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So murder is a lesser crime than rape? Really? Sure, its traumatic, etc. But at least a portion of victims recover and move on with their lives. Murder is a 100% guaranteed end of life. Yet we are perfectly fine with simulating a murder fantasy, and get all upset about a rape fantasy?

I'm not defending a game that solely allows you to murder anyone, either.

 

My point is, that this game has no point to it other than the rape simulation. That's the problem. It isn't an ancillary aspect of an overall larger game.

That's my main problem. It's not a game that says "this is a part of life, we have to be true and include it". It's a game solely about raping women and little girls. If you enjoy this game you're not any kind of man, and don't deserve to be respected or taken seriously, period.

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K^2
I'd agree K^2, except, Rapelay involves the rape of underage simulations of girls. Pedophilia is a worse crime than rape and murder combined. Therefore, the simulation of pedophilia is worse than the simulation of rape and murder. However, Rapelay goes a step further and has you raping 10 year olds. How anyone can be accepting of that is beyond me.

 

We aren't simply talking about a rape fantasy game or a murder fantasy game. We are talking about a game that allows people to simulate the rape of underage girls.

 

Make a game simulating rape just don't include simulated little girls. That sh*t ain't on.

First of all, you cannot do more harm to a person by any means other than killing that person. There might be a few things that are just as bad in certain limited circumstances, but nothing that's worse.

 

If you kill a person, that's permanent. It's done. This person with all of their dreams and thoughts is gone. In contrast, rape, even of a child, still leaves a victim that may recover.

 

Secondly, you are trying to protect something that never existed. Once you agree that a rape fantasy is not reprehensible, extending it to a rape fantasy featuring an underage girl does not change the situation at all. She's not real. So her being "underage" is purely a matter of appearance of the avatar. She's not someone that's still to develop into a personality, and therefore particularly vulnerable. She might get some attributes of such personality attributed here in the mind of whoever is fantasizing. But that still doesn't make her more vulnerable. Because there is no her to make vulnerable.

 

You can either take a stance that fantasizing about anything illegal is fundamentally wrong and destabilizing to society, and start banning games that feature any sort of criminal activity, starting with GTA, or you can take a stance that it's just a fantasy and has no correlation with what person will do in real life. In which case, there is no difference between simulated murder, rape, or child rape. If you try to take any position in between, such as that only some of these fantasies are ok, and others are fundamentally wrong, it just makes you a hypocrite.

 

 

I'm not defending a game that solely allows you to murder anyone, either.

 

My point is, that this game has no point to it other than the rape simulation. That's the problem. It isn't an ancillary aspect of an overall larger game.

It's not even a rape simulation. It's a rape story with a sh*tty sex simulation. But that's an aside.

 

If your point is that a game that's just about rape or just about murder is a crappy game, I completely agree. RapeLay is no exception. It's a sh*tty game that sells purely on the controversy factor. But there is a simple solution to this problem. Don't play it.

 

 

It's a game solely about raping women and little girls. If you enjoy this game you're not any kind of man, and don't deserve to be respected or taken seriously, period.

So you are going to tell me that never while playing GTA you decided to run over a helpless pedestrian just for the hell of it? Because, you know, to do something like that in real life is not particularly manly either.

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WF the Hobgoblin

Whether it's murder, rape or paedophilia in games, it's all virtual so it isn't hurting anyone. There shouldn't be problem with it. Personally I find the latter to be the most f*cked up but that's just me.

 

 

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makeshyft
So you are going to tell me that never while playing GTA you decided to run over a helpless pedestrian just for the hell of it? Because, you know, to do something like that in real life is not particularly manly either.

I really don't think that's a fair comparison, considering that running over pedestrians is such a tiny, tiny element of a much larger game. Yes, it is possible to run people over. It's not the entire point of the game, though. It's not Super Happy Vehicular Manslaughter Simulator. If all you could do was get into a car and run people down, then the game would be outright stupid.

 

I totally get what you're saying about the avatars not being real. However, there's a certain element of intent to consider. This game sounds boring as batsh*t, unless you honestly get off on the idea of raping someone. There is absolutely no other reason for people to play the game, whereas the opposite is true of a game like GTA, as it's so multi-faceted.

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Canofceleri
So you are going to tell me that never while playing GTA you decided to run over a helpless pedestrian just for the hell of it? Because, you know, to do something like that in real life is not particularly manly either.

 

I totally get what you're saying about the avatars not being real. However, there's a certain element of intent to consider. This game sounds boring as batsh*t, unless you honestly get off on the idea of raping someone. There is absolutely no other reason for people to play the game, whereas the opposite is true of a game like GTA, as it's so multi-faceted.

That seems besides the point. It's purely subjective, what's boring as batsh*t to you isn't to someone else. It might seem incomprehensible to you, but someone might find GTA pointless and boring but find a game like RapeLay to be very entertaining and thus worthwhile. The point is entertainment, reviews don't matter on this level.

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Tornado Rex

How do you all feel about Manhunt then?

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solitudeandbored
I must be turning into a prude in my non-old age. Adult rape is f*cking hilarious and hot and all that, but a game where there's characters that are minors who the player can rape? That's overstepping some boundaries, putting it mildly. mercie_blink.gif

how can you even find adult rape hot and hilarious. rape is rape regardless of age and this game sickens me.

its 16 for a reason and there;s consent for a reason c'mon guys.

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K^2
I really don't think that's a fair comparison, considering that running over pedestrians is such a tiny, tiny element of a much larger game. Yes, it is possible to run people over. It's not the entire point of the game, though. It's not Super Happy Vehicular Manslaughter Simulator. If all you could do was get into a car and run people down, then the game would be outright stupid.

 

I totally get what you're saying about the avatars not being real. However, there's a certain element of intent to consider. This game sounds boring as batsh*t, unless you honestly get off on the idea of raping someone. There is absolutely no other reason for people to play the game, whereas the opposite is true of a game like GTA, as it's so multi-faceted.

These are good points, but they still don't sound like arguments on it being right/wrong, and more the arguments on it just being a bad game, which it really is.

 

Say you are walking in the streets with your properly licensed handgun. You then realize that life is sh*t, pull out a gun, and shoot someone. That's manslaughter, and you have a chance of getting out of prison sometime during your life time. On another hand, imagine you have a complicated plot to rob a bank, and then during escape, you shoot a cop. You'll be lucky not to get the death penalty. So obviously, we as a society, see a crime that's committed as part of larger plot as a more heinous one than just a random crime. So I don't see an argument that a game that's just about rape is somehow worse than a game that involves rape as a particularly viable one.

 

Personally, I don't think there are a lot of people who really get off on that game. Some people might be getting off on the story, I guess. Most of the people who played it most likely played it only due to controversy. I know I did. Illusion probably banked on precisely that. And while on one hand selling a game on controversy alone is questionable, on another, it is something that gets us to question limitations of our society, like we are doing now, and that has its merits.

 

As far as people who genuinely get off on that, is there something wrong with them? Probably. But there is probably something wrong with people who get off on GTA as well. Perhaps to a lesser extent, but that's beside the point. As long as all these people keep a sharp distinction between reality and fantasy, I don't see any harm. I know I don't drive the same way in GTA and real life. Hopefully, equivalent statement can be made about people who get off on the rape games.

 

As for games that try to actually integrate sex into larger gameplay without utterly failing, I only know one game, as I've mentioned earlier. I don't know if there isn't a market for that, or if it really is a difficult goal to achieve.

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makeshyft
Say you are walking in the streets with your properly licensed handgun. You then realize that life is sh*t, pull out a gun, and shoot someone. That's manslaughter, and you have a chance of getting out of prison sometime during your life time. On another hand, imagine you have a complicated plot to rob a bank, and then during escape, you shoot a cop. You'll be lucky not to get the death penalty. So obviously, we as a society, see a crime that's committed as part of larger plot as a more heinous one than just a random crime. So I don't see an argument that a game that's just about rape is somehow worse than a game that involves rape as a particularly viable one.

Ok then, consider it like this:

 

Let's say a film is released which contains a particularly brutal rape scene. If the scene itself fits the overall narrative and serves to further the story, then the artistic merit of the film is not compromised. A film wherein nothing else happens but one brutal rape scene after the other? I think you'd be challenged to say that it had any artistic merit at all.

 

Am I saying that this is a bad game, based on the level of gameplay and real lack of content? Yeah, I am. It sounds stupid as f*ck. Am I saying that it is wrong ethically? Not necessarily. I am merely stating my opinion. In one of my earlier posts, I mention that the game brings up an ethical dilemma, which is very different from proclaiming it to be wrong -- despite what I may feel.

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Clem Fandango
Let's say a film is released which contains a particularly brutal rape scene. If the scene itself fits the overall narrative and serves to further the story, then the artistic merit of the film is not compromised. A film wherein nothing else happens but one brutal rape scene after the other? I think you'd be challenged to say that it had any artistic merit at all.

 

It would have no artistic merit because it would be pornography. Otter was just talking about how rape play with your girlfriend can be fun, and I'm sure there are plenty of pornos that are nothing but scripted rapes, and that's all this game is. People get off on it (or get a laugh; that's why I want to play it) and no one gets hurt. Why do you (or anyone else reading this) see an ethical dilema? Because the fictional character who gets raped is ten years old? Well, she looks like a full grown woman, so I doubt there are paedophiles out there buying this game just to digitally rape her. And if there are, who cares? I'd rather there be cartoon porn for paedophiles than have them buying real child pornography with real children having real sexual acts being performed on them, or you know, actually abusing children.

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makeshyft

To get a laugh? Yeah, sure. Keep telling yourself that, pal.

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K^2

 

Let's say a film is released which contains a particularly brutal rape scene. If the scene itself fits the overall narrative and serves to further the story, then the artistic merit of the film is not compromised. A film wherein nothing else happens but one brutal rape scene after the other? I think you'd be challenged to say that it had any artistic merit at all.

 

Am I saying that this is a bad game, based on the level of gameplay and real lack of content? Yeah, I am. It sounds stupid as f*ck. Am I saying that it is wrong ethically? Not necessarily. I am merely stating my opinion. In one of my earlier posts, I mention that the game brings up an ethical dilemma, which is very different from proclaiming it to be wrong -- despite what I may feel.

So lets recap.

 

1) No artistic merit.

2) Sh*tty game.

3) Not morally wrong.

 

I think we are in perfect accord. I'm not sure why we are arguing.

 

P.S. It is good for a laugh, actually. Though, maybe the fact that I understand very little of Japanese contributed to that.

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Tornado Rex

I ask again. How do all the people who are anti-this game feel about Manhunt? It's basically the same scenario but with murder is it not?

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Clem Fandango
To get a laugh? Yeah, sure. Keep telling yourself that, pal.

I don't have any incentive to lie to the likes of you about what I'm into, sexually. If I liked rape or fat girls, I wouldn't hide it.

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I ask again. How do all the people who are anti-this game feel about Manhunt? It's basically the same scenario but with murder is it not?

I'm not at all opposed to this game, but the people who play are likely sickos in trenchcoats who leer at kids on the bus.

 

I'd also add that as far as I'm aware in manhunt (I haven't played it but saw my flatmate playing it a fair few times) the object of the game was to free yourself from a situation where you were trapped in an area with violent psychopaths and gangsters who were trying to kill you. You had to employ a variety of tactics and skills to safely get through the levels.

 

In Rape Lay my understanding is that the only real control one has is choosing options like who to rape and your preferred position when violating a ten year old, which doesn't really strike me as requiring skills, forethought, or tactics. So as best as I can tell without being jailed for downloading this game it's not at all basically the same thing but with murder.

 

But to answer your specific question, if someone played Manhunt because it gave them an erection in much the same way as our intrepid Italian-American instigator plays Rape Lay to get his ten year old gang rape chubby, then yes there would be something wrong with that.

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nerner
I have no real problem with this game, but why would anyone want to play this? To get a laugh why don't you just watch a comedy DVD?

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Clem Fandango
I have no real problem with this game, but why would anyone want to play this? To get a laugh why don't you just watch a comedy DVD?

Because there is no rape on comedy DVDs. Do try and keep up.

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Moonshield
I have no real problem with this game, but why would anyone want to play this? To get a laugh why don't you just watch a comedy DVD?

Because there is no rape on comedy DVDs. Do try and keep up.

Clearly you've never seen Jeff Dunham's standup dvd. Man and puppets rape comedy.

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K^2
I'd also add that as far as I'm aware in manhunt (I haven't played it but saw my flatmate playing it a fair few times) the object of the game was to free yourself from a situation where you were trapped in an area with violent psychopaths and gangsters who were trying to kill you. You had to employ a variety of tactics and skills to safely get through the levels.

 

In Rape Lay my understanding is that the only real control one has is choosing options like who to rape and your preferred position when violating a ten year old, which doesn't really strike me as requiring skills, forethought, or tactics. So as best as I can tell without being jailed for downloading this game it's not at all basically the same thing but with murder.

That's a silly argument. Yes, protagonist of Manhunt is forced to kill. But you are not forced to play that game. You choose to, because you like the killing fantasy it presents.

 

And I'm sure that if a rape game was made where the protagonist is in a situation where he's forced to rape (hey, Manhunt's plot isn't exactly believable either) you wouldn't use it to defend the game.

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ilikensrs

 

I'd also add that as far as I'm aware in manhunt (I haven't played it but saw my flatmate playing it a fair few times) the object of the game was to free yourself from a situation where you were trapped in an area with violent psychopaths and gangsters who were trying to kill you. You had to employ a variety of tactics and skills to safely get through the levels.

 

In Rape Lay my understanding is that the only real control one has is choosing options like who to rape and your preferred position when violating a ten year old, which doesn't really strike me as requiring skills, forethought, or tactics. So as best as I can tell without being jailed for downloading this game it's not at all basically the same thing but with murder.

That's a silly argument. Yes, protagonist of Manhunt is forced to kill. But you are not forced to play that game. You choose to, because you like the killing fantasy it presents.

 

And I'm sure that if a rape game was made where the protagonist is in a situation where he's forced to rape (hey, Manhunt's plot isn't exactly believable either) you wouldn't use it to defend the game.

That's a silly interpretation of my post. I was responding to

 

I ask again. How do all the people who are anti-this game feel about Manhunt? It's basically the same scenario but with murder is it not?

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K^2

And that's the context I'm reading it in. You seem to think that just because the protagonist is forced to kill, it somehow makes a murder simulator ok. But nobody makes the player play that game. Fact that player chooses to do so means that he wants to commit these simulated murders. In which case protagonist's intentions are absolutely irrelevant.

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Otter

People are obviously rubbed the wrong way when it comes to taboo sexual misadventures, even if it's entirely fictional. There's a certain moral highground to be attained by suggesting that darker fantasies are inherently reprehensible.

 

Raping or molesting a child? Terrible. Drawing a kid getting rammed by the family dog, and getting your jollies? Sick, perhaps, but who the f*ck is someone to say what you can and can't get off to? Reminds me of feminists who argue that men should hold no domain over the female body, as if one should not be sexually intrigued by something without invitation.

 

The comparison to other violent media is apt because the player/reader/viewer/consumer has a visceral connection to the actions taken in these fantasies, as profound in many people as a sexual release. Beating the sh*t of an obnoxious character, for example. Revenge, for another. Does this visceral enjoyment of such base behavior make us evil? Or simply serve to remind us that we're all animals at heart with absurd tastes for all aspects of debauchery? It's how we act on these urges, in reality, that makes or breaks the man.

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solitudeandbored

the thing is i've wanted to kill and think im quite capable of it. thats why man hunt appeals to me. raping a 10 year old girl no. generally child rape is considered worse than murder anyway so....

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Mike Tequeli
the thing is i've wanted to kill and think im quite capable of it. thats why man hunt appeals to me. raping a 10 year old girl no. generally child rape is considered worse than murder anyway so....

I don't see how child rape is worse then murder. I'd rather be raped then killed, that's for sure. I'm not a child but the answer wouldn't change if I were.

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ilikensrs
And that's the context I'm reading it in. You seem to think that just because the protagonist is forced to kill, it somehow makes a murder simulator ok. But nobody makes the player play that game. Fact that player chooses to do so means that he wants to commit these simulated murders. In which case protagonist's intentions are absolutely irrelevant.

My point was that no, it is not manhunt but with rape instead of murder. One I would consider to be an actual video game, and the other strikes me as more as an interactive dvd.

 

The difference I find between the two games lies more in the reason someone would want to play them. GTA, hitman, mahunt, etc all require skill and planning to successfully complete whatever challenges the player is given. Maybe I am alone in this, but I don't play GTA to see what it feels like to kill someone.

 

Rape Lay, on the other hand, appears to have no other value than providing interactive pornographic content for the sexual gratification weirdos. There's no great challenge in choosing a couple of menu options and moving the mouse a few times.

 

While I don't think that the game should be illegal, as there are not any actual minors involved, the kind of person who gets their jollies watching a simulated ten year old get gang raped has a few issues which need to be resolved.

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makeshyft
While I don't think that the game should be illegal, as there are not any actual minors involved, the kind of person who gets their jollies watching a simulated ten year old get gang raped has a few issues which need to be resolved.

I think this topic should be renamed, "People who want to f*ck a kid."

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Raptomex

Quick, somebody call Jack Thompson...oh that's right. disbarred.

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K^2
My point was that no, it is not manhunt but with rape instead of murder. One I would consider to be an actual video game, and the other strikes me as more as an interactive dvd.

 

The difference I find between the two games lies more in the reason someone would want to play them. GTA, hitman, mahunt, etc all require skill and planning to successfully complete whatever challenges the player is given. Maybe I am alone in this, but I don't play GTA to see what it feels like to kill someone.

 

Rape Lay, on the other hand, appears to have no other value than providing interactive pornographic content for the sexual gratification weirdos. There's no great challenge in choosing a couple of menu options and moving the mouse a few times.

 

While I don't think that the game should be illegal, as there are not any actual minors involved, the kind of person who gets their jollies watching a simulated ten year old get gang raped has a few issues which need to be resolved.

There are plenty of games more challenging than GTA that don't involve killing people. If you played just for the challenge and actually had something against simulated murder, you wouldn't be playing GTA. It may not be the main reason you play GTA, but if it's not on the list at all, you are probably playing the wrong game. And don't even try to tell me that you wouldn't enjoy GTA just a little bit less if you couldn't kill anyone.

 

And that's GTA. The above reasons go tenfold for Manhunt. With San Andreas someone could at least try to make a case for it being the only descent triathlon simulation out there... Manhunt on the other hand is all about killing people. Granted, it is about killing people in creative and challenging ways, but it still doesn't shift the focus of the game anywhere.

 

So all that's left of your argument is that RapeLay doesn't offer any challenge? Ok, granted. And point about it being just an interactive movie is also a given. But I don't think anybody tried to claim that it's a good game. So what's your point here?

 

People who get the kick out of RapeLay have issues. People who get a kick out of Manhunt also have issues. I'd go as far as claiming that people who get a kick out of Tony Hawk games have issues. But as long as these games help these people keep their issues to themselves, rather than involve some potentially innocent bystanders in their issues, then that's probably for the good. But as I said earlier, I don't think RapeLay is even trying to reach these demographics. It looks more like an attempt to make a quick buck from the controversial topic. So whatever.

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Thing is, just because a game like this helps people "keep their issues to themselves" doesn't mean that other people have to like it. You can argue for its existence until you're blue in the face, but I am still going to assume that anyone who plays it is a closet paedophile, or worse.

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