haints Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 I have a 4890 card and am running 32-bit XP ... It seems like any of the newer drivers give me TERRIBLE stuttering, but I can't keep using older drivers because they cause problems with newer games ... Is anyone else in this fix? If you have one of the 4-series cards, which drivers are you running? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshuazh Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 nice card ur ram and cores matter too i have a crappy 4350, but i get 20-30 fps cause i have 8 gb ram and quad core for drivers, i use the latest one. turn ur settings lower resolution lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramvid01 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 I am using 10.3 Catalyst and the two times I've loaded the game since updating, I have either gotten a RESC 10 error or when i walk outside the safehouse everything blurs. Mind you im running this on a Phenom II 955 ATI 5870 and 4 gigs of ddr 3 RAM. Never had problems before, so I may switch back to 10.2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevyboy Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 8.12, 9.10 and new 10.3 (or 10.3a) are among the best drivers ATI has produced in the past few years. I have access to 4870, 4870X2 and a 5850 and all of them now use 10.3 and all work better than ever. Can't say I've ever had any major issues ever with ATI drivers other than the powerplay bug with the 4870X2 for the better part of 2009's drivers (easily fixed anyways). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haints Posted March 30, 2010 Author Share Posted March 30, 2010 nice cardur ram and cores matter too i have a crappy 4350, but i get 20-30 fps cause i have 8 gb ram and quad core for drivers, i use the latest one. turn ur settings lower resolution lol Thanks for responding. I dont think I made myself clear. I don't need to lower the resolution--I get decent frame rates at a high resolution with older drivers. With newer drivers, I get bad stuttering. My question is, if you have an ATI card, which drivers give you good frame rates with GTA IV? You say you are using the latest driver--so you don't get any stuttering? Have you compared it to older drivers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haints Posted March 30, 2010 Author Share Posted March 30, 2010 I am using 10.3 Catalyst and the two times I've loaded the game since updating, I have either gotten a RESC 10 error or when i walk outside the safehouse everything blurs. Mind you im running this on a Phenom II 955 ATI 5870 and 4 gigs of ddr 3 RAM. Never had problems before, so I may switch back to 10.2. Thanks for your post! So, did you see any stuttering with 10.2 versus older drivers? I wonder if it is just me ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haints Posted March 30, 2010 Author Share Posted March 30, 2010 8.12, 9.10 and new 10.3 (or 10.3a) are among the best drivers ATI has produced in the past few years. I have access to 4870, 4870X2 and a 5850 and all of them now use 10.3 and all work better than ever. Can't say I've ever had any major issues ever with ATI drivers other than the powerplay bug with the 4870X2 for the better part of 2009's drivers (easily fixed anyways). Thanks for the recommendation. Guess I'll try 10.3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cr!minal Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Another vote for 10.3, they perform very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTFX Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 10.3a ftw! (newer than whql) edit: oh yea, link: http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...st&p=1059831058 [damn, seems it's 10.3b already] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customkingpimp Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 I am using 10.3 and it works great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squishybubs Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 I'm using Catalyst 10.3 (for Bad Company 2) with a Sapphire 4890 and it seems fine. What's your CPU by the way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haints Posted March 31, 2010 Author Share Posted March 31, 2010 I'm using Catalyst 10.3 (for Bad Company 2) with a Sapphire 4890 and it seems fine. What's your CPU by the way? Wolfdale Core2Duo e8400. Bad Company 2 is the reason I want to switch to newer drivers--so I can stop the ice from flickering. Thanks to all of you for responding. I'll definitely try the 10.3s and report back ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haints Posted March 31, 2010 Author Share Posted March 31, 2010 So ... did a clean install of the 10.3 drivers, and ... Terrible stuttering with GTA IV. And the flickering bug with Bad Company 2 is still there. And Fallout 3 will not even start. So ... back to 9.10s for me (sigh). I think this will be my first, and last, ATI card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevyboy Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 So ... did a clean install of the 10.3 drivers, and ... Terrible stuttering with GTA IV. And the flickering bug with Bad Company 2 is still there. And Fallout 3 will not even start. So ... back to 9.10s for me (sigh). I think this will be my first, and last, ATI card. Too bad, amazing cards made all the better by the great price/performance ratio. Used over a dozen Nvidia and ATI cards and can't say I've had more issues with either brand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haints Posted April 1, 2010 Author Share Posted April 1, 2010 So ... did a clean install of the 10.3 drivers, and ... Terrible stuttering with GTA IV. And the flickering bug with Bad Company 2 is still there. And Fallout 3 will not even start. So ... back to 9.10s for me (sigh). I think this will be my first, and last, ATI card. Too bad, amazing cards made all the better by the great price/performance ratio. Used over a dozen Nvidia and ATI cards and can't say I've had more issues with either brand. I'm not a fanboy--I'm not "brand loyal." Whatever works--works. I switched to ATI because the newer Nvidia cards wouldn't fit in my case. My feeling is, ATI has abandoned the series 4 cards, and XP users like me, whereas all the latest Nvidia drivers still worked fine on my old 8800 GTS and XP ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevyboy Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 So ... did a clean install of the 10.3 drivers, and ... Terrible stuttering with GTA IV. And the flickering bug with Bad Company 2 is still there. And Fallout 3 will not even start. So ... back to 9.10s for me (sigh). I think this will be my first, and last, ATI card. Too bad, amazing cards made all the better by the great price/performance ratio. Used over a dozen Nvidia and ATI cards and can't say I've had more issues with either brand. I'm not a fanboy--I'm not "brand loyal." Whatever works--works. I switched to ATI because the newer Nvidia cards wouldn't fit in my case. My feeling is, ATI has abandoned the series 4 cards, and XP users like me, whereas all the latest Nvidia drivers still worked fine on my old 8800 GTS and XP ... They have in a sense abandoned XP and 4*** series users, such is the way the industry works. Now they haven't completely cut those off as drivers still support both XP and 4*** series cards as well as they ever did but of course the focus will move to Vista - Win 7 - Whatever comes next. People said the same thing back when they had to migrate from 95, 98 etc... but it happens. All of the drivers since 8.6 when I bought my 4870's have worked just fine, both under XP and Vista which I now use so trust me when I say your issue(s) are not common place. I'm sorry you are having a bad experience but the drivers are not to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haints Posted April 1, 2010 Author Share Posted April 1, 2010 So ... did a clean install of the 10.3 drivers, and ... Terrible stuttering with GTA IV. And the flickering bug with Bad Company 2 is still there. And Fallout 3 will not even start. So ... back to 9.10s for me (sigh). I think this will be my first, and last, ATI card. Too bad, amazing cards made all the better by the great price/performance ratio. Used over a dozen Nvidia and ATI cards and can't say I've had more issues with either brand. I'm not a fanboy--I'm not "brand loyal." Whatever works--works. I switched to ATI because the newer Nvidia cards wouldn't fit in my case. My feeling is, ATI has abandoned the series 4 cards, and XP users like me, whereas all the latest Nvidia drivers still worked fine on my old 8800 GTS and XP ... They have in a sense abandoned XP and 4*** series users, such is the way the industry works. Now they haven't completely cut those off as drivers still support both XP and 4*** series cards as well as they ever did but of course the focus will move to Vista - Win 7 - Whatever comes next. People said the same thing back when they had to migrate from 95, 98 etc... but it happens. All of the drivers since 8.6 when I bought my 4870's have worked just fine, both under XP and Vista which I now use so trust me when I say your issue(s) are not common place. I'm sorry you are having a bad experience but the drivers are not to blame. What else do you think it could be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevyboy Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 What else do you think it could be? Hard to say really, that's the biggest negative about graphics cards these days. I've seen anything from bad memory chips (GPU memory not system) to driver issues (sometimes uninstalling and reinstalling fixes "would-be" issues. Driver issues are usually reported from many users tho, the ones like yours which seem to be isolated could be driver related but be caused by something else all together. Honestly there could be any number of potentially thousands of reasons as to why you are experiencing issues if you really wanted to investigate (won't lie you could spend hundreds of hours in the end) I would be willing to help where possible. A good place to start would be your computer basics, the more I know about your hardware / software (OS mostly) the better. Since you already tried on a fresh install of Win7 we can skip the "try a clean install" and likely the "was it installed properly" so let me know on the above if your interested and I'll do what I can... tomorrow, need to get at least some sleep before work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haints Posted April 2, 2010 Author Share Posted April 2, 2010 What else do you think it could be? Hard to say really, that's the biggest negative about graphics cards these days. I've seen anything from bad memory chips (GPU memory not system) to driver issues (sometimes uninstalling and reinstalling fixes "would-be" issues. Driver issues are usually reported from many users tho, the ones like yours which seem to be isolated could be driver related but be caused by something else all together. Honestly there could be any number of potentially thousands of reasons as to why you are experiencing issues if you really wanted to investigate (won't lie you could spend hundreds of hours in the end) I would be willing to help where possible. A good place to start would be your computer basics, the more I know about your hardware / software (OS mostly) the better. Since you already tried on a fresh install of Win7 we can skip the "try a clean install" and likely the "was it installed properly" so let me know on the above if your interested and I'll do what I can... tomorrow, need to get at least some sleep before work That's very kind of you to offer such help and I appreciate it! Not sure what you mean about Win7--I wish I had Win7 but for right now I'm running XP only. I said something about a clean install of the ATI drivers (uninstalled through control panel, booted into safe mode, ran driver cleaner pro, etc) so maybe that is what you are thinking of? Let me know what you think my next step should be. I should say that this not an urgent problem as everything runs pretty well with the older drivers--but I know I'll probably have to update them eventually ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PecanFrost Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 The last time I had to install Windows and then GTA I though I ran into the dreaded stuttering gameplay issue, a reinstall of DirectX solved it. I had forgotten the golden rule - Always reinstall DirectX after a driver install as each driver has a different requirement of DLL's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevyboy Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 What else do you think it could be? Hard to say really, that's the biggest negative about graphics cards these days. I've seen anything from bad memory chips (GPU memory not system) to driver issues (sometimes uninstalling and reinstalling fixes "would-be" issues. Driver issues are usually reported from many users tho, the ones like yours which seem to be isolated could be driver related but be caused by something else all together. Honestly there could be any number of potentially thousands of reasons as to why you are experiencing issues if you really wanted to investigate (won't lie you could spend hundreds of hours in the end) I would be willing to help where possible. A good place to start would be your computer basics, the more I know about your hardware / software (OS mostly) the better. Since you already tried on a fresh install of Win7 we can skip the "try a clean install" and likely the "was it installed properly" so let me know on the above if your interested and I'll do what I can... tomorrow, need to get at least some sleep before work That's very kind of you to offer such help and I appreciate it! Not sure what you mean about Win7--I wish I had Win7 but for right now I'm running XP only. I said something about a clean install of the ATI drivers (uninstalled through control panel, booted into safe mode, ran driver cleaner pro, etc) so maybe that is what you are thinking of? Let me know what you think my next step should be. I should say that this not an urgent problem as everything runs pretty well with the older drivers--but I know I'll probably have to update them eventually ... Ah yes I had misunderstood what you said earlier. That's fine tho the OS really shouldn't matter much. We'll assume the driver was installed properly as it sounds like you did the correct method for a clean install short of a reformat which can be considered over the top for some users. I do need to know your system specifications tho everything from MB to HDD(s) would be ideal. Also which version of XP could prove helpful (32bit or 64bit). As the user above me suggested make sure you have installed the most up to date directX found here: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details...6a-9b6652cd92a3 Let me know on your spec's tho and we can get started, I know what you mean however even tho the older drivers work it is nice to upgrade once in awhile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radltzx Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 9.10 here on 4850. Tried all newer ones except 10.3, all of them gave me more stuttering in IV, so I just stayed with 9.10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haints Posted April 2, 2010 Author Share Posted April 2, 2010 9.10 here on 4850. Tried all newer ones except 10.3, all of them gave me more stuttering in IV, so I just stayed with 9.10 I thought I wasn't the only one. I've seen someone else post the same problem in another forum so I know there are at least a few of us. What OS are you running? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haints Posted April 2, 2010 Author Share Posted April 2, 2010 The last time I had to install Windows and then GTA I though I ran into the dreaded stuttering gameplay issue, a reinstall of DirectX solved it.I had forgotten the golden rule - Always reinstall DirectX after a driver install as each driver has a different requirement of DLL's. Thanks for the suggestion! I will definitely try this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haints Posted April 2, 2010 Author Share Posted April 2, 2010 Let me know on your spec's tho and we can get started, I know what you mean however even tho the older drivers work it is nice to upgrade once in awhile Chevyboy, I'm not at my home PC right now, but off the top of my head I am running 32-bit XP with a Wolfdale Core2Duo e8400 and two gigs of DDR2 PC 3200 ram ... MB I'm going to have to look up again but it is not a very decent board. I have a SATA HD--I'll post in more detail later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radltzx Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 9.10 here on 4850. Tried all newer ones except 10.3, all of them gave me more stuttering in IV, so I just stayed with 9.10 I thought I wasn't the only one. I've seen someone else post the same problem in another forum so I know there are at least a few of us. What OS are you running? I'm running XP 32bit, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haints Posted April 2, 2010 Author Share Posted April 2, 2010 9.10 here on 4850. Tried all newer ones except 10.3, all of them gave me more stuttering in IV, so I just stayed with 9.10 I thought I wasn't the only one. I've seen someone else post the same problem in another forum so I know there are at least a few of us. What OS are you running? I'm running XP 32bit, too. So, is anyone out there running 32-bit XP without these driver issues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikt Posted April 2, 2010 Share Posted April 2, 2010 10.3 here. I seriously don't have a clue if it works with GTA IV or not: I just reformatted my Windows just because the drivers wouldn't install anymore. Now installing IV again, will report back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTRACER Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 10.3 beta here, running perfectly, though I've recently switched to this ATI card and noticed I have the dreaded water texture problem...Slowly fades to look like and oily mirror unless I ALT+Tab out and it comes back for a short period before fading again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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