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This game is Anti-Violence (against violence)


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Cobra_Hunter

Everything about this game premotes non-violence.

 

DRIVING

 

On the side walks of every steet, especially near about corners - are scaffolding pole structers protruding out on to the side walk.

^^^

This is to dissuade any one from wanting to drive there car on the side walk - running over pedistrians - since these scaffolding structing serve as a major deterrent from being able to drive on the side walk - not to mention the mass of traffic lights/lamp posts and bins etc you must avoid also.

 

Also, it's very rare that you ever kill a pedestrian in GTA4 by running him over - they always get up. This also reduces the amount of people you actually kill. In order to kill someone with your vehicle you must run over them twice or hit them hard enough to make them fly into another object (parked or on-coming cars, bins, walls or posts etc).

 

 

SHOOTING

 

The people in GTA4 eat bullets for breakfast and are very hungry. They are like Zombies that just soak up the rounds like General Zod in Superman 2. This also reduces the amount of people you actually murder. Just like Zombies in the movies - a head shot is what is required to make a definate kill. Other wise you will have to use near a full clip just to stop your intended victim from getting up and running off.

 

The M16 has a strategically flawed aim when trying to get head shots. If you press and hold in the fire buitton to produce automatic fire -you can notice the rounds specifically dodge the pin point your aimed for. So, when you're trying to get a head shot in free aim (all I ever use) you are forced to tap out single shot rounds aimed for the head area - or your auto fire is sure to miss completely.

 

At point blank range, Niko has this annoying habbit of hitting the pedestrian with his gun. Why not just shoot them under the chin or drop them with a point blank range slug to the heart? Stupid and tedious.

 

One more thing, heads don't explode in GTA4 when shot at close range with a shotgun - FAKE.

(Nor to body parts fly off people via explosions and bombs) - even The Punisher for PS2 managed this realism. No excuse for PS3.

 

 

 

FIGHTING

 

The aim system when stomping a downed grounded opponent is extrememly flawed. Often when attempting to stomp your downed opponent, Niko with through (and miss) a football kick at a different random passer by. Also, Niko very often misses the stomp completely and misses that stupid looking single downward punch all the time. Trying to get Niko to stomp or punch a downed opponent is like trying to piss in to a beer bottle from 10 feet away. The ground and pount system in San Andreas was much better - and that was only the PS2. No excuse for this with the PS3.

 

 

When battling the cops, you rely on your mobile phone to restore health via the health cheat. (The cops cheat like hell - spawning themselves everywhere - so don't say cheating is a bad thing - it's essential to your survival in this unfair setting of virtual reality).

But every time you take a hit, Niko puts his phone away - Strategic method of making you lose when fighting the powers that be - thus creating a world wide message - No out runnign the long arm of the law.

 

Pathetic and stupid. Criminals will always be criminals no matter what steps your video-games take to premote Anti-Violence/Anti-Crime.

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Shark_Cipriani

Aren't you dead yet? Get ready for quote bombardment.

 

 

Everything about this game premotes non-violence.

Yeah, that must be why I can escape six stars easier than the past GTAs.

 

 

The M16 has a strategically flawed aim when trying to get head shots. If you press and hold in the fire buitton to produce automatic fire -you can notice the rounds specifically dodge the pin point your aimed for. So, when you're trying to get a head shot in free aim (all I ever use) you are forced to tap out single shot rounds aimed for the head area - or your auto fire is sure to miss completely.

We call it recoil. And we call the second one burst firing.

 

 

 

When battling the cops, you rely on your mobile phone to restore health via the health cheat. (The cops cheat like hell - spawning themselves everywhere - so don't say cheating is a bad thing - it's essential to your survival in this unfair setting of virtual reality).

But every time you take a hit, Niko puts his phone away - Strategic method of making you lose when fighting the powers that be - thus creating a world wide message - No out runnign the long arm of the law.

Cheat less, play more. Learn taking cover. There are places we call six star shootout locations, which have very good cover. You aren't supposed to be able to survive in the middle of the street anyway. If you plan to survive a six star wanted level, you need to have a suitable place to fight and an escape route plus a car of your choice. You seriously can't play this game, can you?

 

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At point blank range, Niko has this annoying habbit of hitting the pedestrian with his gun. Why not just shoot them under the chin or drop them with a point blank range slug to the heart? Stupid and tedious.

 

Well this I agree with. Anyone else played The Darkness? Well in that game if you're at point blank and you shoot someone, you'll perform a sort of "execution" move --- like in the mouth or up from the chin... really nasty and brutal... PERFECT FOR GTA!

 

 

But besides the "close up issue" with gunplay, you're wrong about driving and shooting. Bullets often times don't kill people instantly (more like after a minute of ungodly pain do they pass on..), and running people over with cars is wonderful --- if someone goes under your car they're pretty much guaranteed to die, and sometimes if they flip over your car they'll survive.

 

 

And everyone knows the fighting/melee in GTA IV is really poor.

 

 

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Everything about this game premotes non-violence.

 

DRIVING

 

On the side walks of every steet, especially near about corners - are scaffolding pole structers protruding out on to the side walk.

^^^

This is to dissuade any one from wanting to drive there car on the side walk - running over pedistrians - since these scaffolding structing serve as a major deterrent from being able to drive on the side walk - not to mention the mass of traffic lights/lamp posts and bins etc you must avoid also.

 

Also, it's very rare that you ever kill a pedestrian in GTA4 by running him over - they always get up. This also reduces the amount of people you actually kill. In order to kill someone with your vehicle you must run over them twice or hit them hard enough to make them fly into another object (parked or on-coming cars, bins, walls or posts etc).

 

 

SHOOTING

 

The people in GTA4 eat bullets for breakfast and are very hungry. They are like Zombies that just soak up the rounds like General Zod in Superman 2. This also reduces the amount of people you actually murder. Just like Zombies in the movies - a head shot is what is required to make a definate kill. Other wise you will have to use near a full clip just to stop your intended victim from getting up and running off.

 

The M16 has a strategically flawed aim when trying to get head shots. If you press and hold in the fire buitton to produce automatic fire -you can notice the rounds specifically dodge the pin point your aimed for. So, when you're trying to get a head shot in free aim (all I ever use) you are forced to tap out single shot rounds aimed for the head area - or your auto fire is sure to miss completely.

 

At point blank range, Niko has this annoying habbit of hitting the pedestrian with his gun. Why not just shoot them under the chin or drop them with a point blank range slug to the heart? Stupid and tedious.

 

One more thing, heads don't explode in GTA4 when shot at close range with a shotgun - FAKE.

(Nor to body parts fly off people via explosions and bombs) - even The Punisher for PS2 managed this realism. No excuse for PS3.

 

 

 

FIGHTING

 

The aim system when stomping a downed grounded opponent is extrememly flawed. Often when attempting to stomp your downed opponent, Niko with through (and miss) a football kick at a different random passer by. Also, Niko very often misses the stomp completely and misses that stupid looking single downward punch all the time. Trying to get Niko to stomp or punch a downed opponent is like trying to piss in to a beer bottle from 10 feet away. The ground and pount system in San Andreas was much better - and that was only the PS2. No excuse for this with the PS3.

 

 

When battling the cops, you rely on your mobile phone to restore health via the health cheat. (The cops cheat like hell - spawning themselves everywhere - so don't say cheating is a bad thing - it's essential to your survival in this unfair setting of virtual reality).

But every time you take a hit, Niko puts his phone away - Strategic method of making you lose when fighting the powers that be - thus creating a world wide message - No out runnign the long arm of the law.

 

Pathetic and stupid. Criminals will always be criminals no matter what steps your video-games take to premote Anti-Violence/Anti-Crime.

Driving: Please go outside. It's realistic. And there's still enough space to go on a rampage. And learn to drive, hitting a pedestrian at high speeds causes either death or serious injury. THey don't need to get slingshot into other objects. It's called realism. I don't die if you hit me at 5km/h

 

Shooting:

Headshot: 1 shot 1 KILL

Torso/legs/arms: Shoot until the peds health is low enough. GTA IV doesn't know where the heart is, but normal people can't die of a few bullets inside ones unimportant bodyparts. People can even survive missing guts and legs (although for a short time)

 

If your will is strong enough, you can get yourself out of the place of misery by walking out. Peds als try to do that: You're free in stopping them.

 

Well f*ck you. Inacuricy always has been in GTA since SA. You can't spray bullets expecting them to end in one place. Even 'genuine' FPS games have this implented: without aiming though the crosshair, shots go everywhere. This is avoidable in GTA IV by tapping: With some weapons this is actually faster, and with autoaim, you're a killing machine. I myself have surviced 6 stars on Star Junction a full M4 magazine (600 bullets) and a bit of my MP5 (before getting overrun by a cop car at high speed)

 

This also has been in a number of (GTA) games. And personally, i prefer hitting someone in the head before finishing them off. You aren't able to hit someone twice, that person already jumped back/forth/fell. And then you're able to shoot the hell outta that person.

 

That's IMPOSSIBLE with the damaging models i've seen ingame. Fences aren't interactive and can break. Interactive things don't break. Peoples heads never splatted out. The onlt FPS games i've played with those effects: Brothers in Arms Hells Highway and Call of Duty 5. (well, only hands came off). If you prefer a non-realistic SA style head schrink to the size of 0 with any damae amount, go play SA. GTA has never been an extreme gore game since VC and in IV they can't do that.

 

 

Fighting:

 

Then release the aim trigger, walk close, push the person you want to finish. Then aim again and curbstomp him. Multiple times. In his face. ENOUGH f*ckING VIOLENCE FOR YA? Learn to play. PLEASE.

 

Yeah, retreating your phone is irritating. But only noobs cheat.

 

No.

 

Please go kill yourself.

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Cobra_Hunter

Oh yeah, one more thing to add to the rest of my completely valid points...

 

When driving, Niko never wears a seat belt - this means when you ramn a car hard enough to kill the occupants inside - you just fly out the wind sheild of your own car - screaming like a little girly man.

 

Pathetic.

 

What's more pathetic is how you ALWAYS fail to accept these indisputable truths I mention.

 

All my points are valid.

 

The game is flawed - BIG TIME!!!!

 

So stop whining and just fix these issues I mentioned for the next GTA game. Comprende? That a boy! wink.gif

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RomanViking
Please go kill yourself.

^very harsh and unnecessary man.

 

I think you're right about most points ikt, but I wouldn't have minded some gore myself devil.gif

 

Shooting someone in the face with a shotgun of all things, should be nasty. Heads exploding would be strangely compelling... not a positive thing, but more like seeing a nasty car accident in real life and not being able to look away..

 

I for one think GTA should depict violence as the horrible, gory thing that it is --- shotgun shells impact face at 200mph? FACE NO LONGER LOOK LIKE FACE. Head usually isn't even intact after such horrible things (invention of mankind lol)...

 

so yeah, gore..

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Cobra_Hunter
Please go kill yourself.

^very harsh and unnecessary man.

 

I think you're right about most points ikt, but I wouldn't have minded some gore myself devil.gif

 

Shooting someone in the face with a shotgun of all things, should be nasty. Heads exploding would be strangely compelling... not a positive thing, but more like seeing a nasty car accident in real life and not being able to look away..

 

I for one think GTA should depict violence as the horrible, gory thing that it is --- shotgun shells impact face at 200mph? FACE NO LONGER LOOK LIKE FACE. Head usually isn't even intact after such horrible things (invention of mankind lol)...

 

so yeah, gore..

I agree biggrin.gif

 

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Please go kill yourself.

^very harsh and unnecessary man.

 

I think you're right about most points ikt, but I wouldn't have minded some gore myself devil.gif

 

Shooting someone in the face with a shotgun of all things, should be nasty. Heads exploding would be strangely compelling... not a positive thing, but more like seeing a nasty car accident in real life and not being able to look away..

 

I for one think GTA should depict violence as the horrible, gory thing that it is --- shotgun shells impact face at 200mph? FACE NO LONGER LOOK LIKE FACE. Head usually isn't even intact after such horrible things (invention of mankind lol)...

 

so yeah, gore..

I agree biggrin.gif

I think your title is bit misleading. I don't disagree with most of your points in terms of realism.

 

Your title implies that the game is against violence. This simply is not true. Beating up a hooker to get your money back is against violence? Killing someone to get their money? Running people over for fun?

Your title makes me think of Niko picking flowers and giving them to people instead of shooting them.

 

I think what your are trying to say is this game seems less violent compared to other games.

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King Of Monra

Well if you shoot someone in the leg over and over until the leg falls off, (wont fall of in gta of course) he is not supose to die so they actually die to fast in that sense.

 

oh and you fail at gta

 

I've manage to drive over peds 1 time and that being enough.

 

At point blank range, Niko has this annoying habbit of hitting the pedestrian with his gun. Why not just shoot them under the chin or drop them with a point blank range slug to the heart? Stupid and tedious.At point blank range, Niko has this annoying habbit of hitting the pedestrian with his gun. Why not just shoot them under the chin or drop them with a point blank range slug to the heart? Stupid and tedious.

 

Why can't you just hit the ped with your gun or ak47 or whatever and then shoot when you've knocked the ped away a bit.

 

 

One more thing, heads don't explode in GTA4 when shot at close range with a shotgun - FAKE.

(Nor to body parts fly off people via explosions and bombs) - even The Punisher for PS2 managed this realism. No excuse for PS3.

 

Go play soldiers of fortune 2

 

 

The aim system when stomping a downed grounded opponent is extrememly flawed. Often when attempting to stomp your downed opponent, Niko with through (and miss) a football kick at a different random passer by. Also, Niko very often misses the stomp completely and misses that stupid looking single downward punch all the time. Trying to get Niko to stomp or punch a downed opponent is like trying to piss in to a beer bottle from 10 feet away. The ground and pount system in San Andreas was much better - and that was only the PS2. No excuse for this with the PS3.

 

 

When battling the cops, you rely on your mobile phone to restore health via the health cheat. (The cops cheat like hell - spawning themselves everywhere - so don't say cheating is a bad thing - it's essential to your survival in this unfair setting of virtual reality).

But every time you take a hit, Niko puts his phone away - Strategic method of making you lose when fighting the powers that be - thus creating a world wide message - No out runnign the long arm of the law.

 

Pathetic and stupid. Criminals will always be criminals no matter what steps your video-games take to premote Anti-Violence/Anti-Crime.

 

And this is the main reason why you fail at gta.

 

 

When driving, Niko never wears a seat belt - this means when you ramn a car hard enough to kill the occupants inside - you just fly out the wind sheild of your own car - screaming like a little girly man.

 

I've been driving full speed with my infernus towards a wall and not flown out, It wont happend every time as you seem to think,

 

 

So stop whining and just fix these issues I mentioned for the next GTA game. Comprende? That a boy!

 

Did the doctor rape your brain with an axe when you were born? We don't work for R* so we can't make any bloody changes, and just cause the game isnt as bloody as manhunt or soldier of fortune to name two does not make this a game that is flawed

 

14 year old boys like you just piss me off.

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The_Mario_Man

How is GTA Anti-Violence? I don't remember recall there being any sort of reward for NOT being violent.

 

 

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On the side walks of every steet, especially near about corners - are scaffolding pole structers protruding out on to the side walk.

^^^

This is to dissuade any one from wanting to drive there car on the side walk - running over pedistrians - since these scaffolding structing serve as a major deterrent from being able to drive on the side walk - not to mention the mass of traffic lights/lamp posts and bins etc you must avoid also.

 

Go outside and take a look at a sidewalk. Most of the obstructions you've mentioned can be plowed through without much effort.

 

 

Also, it's very rare that you ever kill a pedestrian in GTA4 by running him over - they always get up. This also reduces the amount of people you actually kill. In order to kill someone with your vehicle you must run over them twice or hit them hard enough to make them fly into another object (parked or on-coming cars, bins, walls or posts etc).

 

Plenty of people can survive being hit by cars. Any significant impact will kill just about any pedestrian hit anyway.

 

 

 

The people in GTA4 eat bullets for breakfast and are very hungry. They are like Zombies that just soak up the rounds like General Zod in Superman 2. This also reduces the amount of people you actually murder. Just like Zombies in the movies - a head shot is what is required to make a definate kill. Other wise you will have to use near a full clip just to stop your intended victim from getting up and running off
.

 

The most bullets I recall seeing a normal person take was 4 or so. This actually isn't any different from the previous GTA games. (Also, it's a magazine, not a clip.)

 

 

 

The M16 has a strategically flawed aim when trying to get head shots. If you press and hold in the fire buitton to produce automatic fire -you can notice the rounds specifically dodge the pin point your aimed for. So, when you're trying to get a head shot in free aim (all I ever use) you are forced to tap out single shot rounds aimed for the head area - or your auto fire is sure to miss completely
.

 

It's called recoil and burst fire. Go to a firing range, rent a fully automatic weapon, and try to hit a 25 meter target dead center every shot without letting go of the trigger. It's not going to happen.

 

 

 

At point blank range, Niko has this annoying habbit of hitting the pedestrian with his gun. Why not just shoot them under the chin or drop them with a point blank range slug to the heart? Stupid and tedious.

 

Fair enough. But is it really that 'stupid and tedious' to just take a couple of steps back?

 

 

One more thing, heads don't explode in GTA4 when shot at close range with a shotgun - FAKE.

(Nor to body parts fly off people via explosions and bombs) - even The Punisher for PS2 managed this realism. No excuse for PS3.

 

It would make sense that a shotgun blast would mess somebody's face up, so I can understand that, but I really hope you don't think gunshots are powerful enough to rip off people's limbs left and right.

 

 

 

 

The aim system when stomping a downed grounded opponent is extrememly flawed. Often when attempting to stomp your downed opponent, Niko with through (and miss) a football kick at a different random passer by. Also, Niko very often misses the stomp completely and misses that stupid looking single downward punch all the time. Trying to get Niko to stomp or punch a downed opponent is like trying to piss in to a beer bottle from 10 feet away. The ground and pount system in San Andreas was much better - and that was only the PS2. No excuse for this with the PS3.

 

I rarely bother fighting at close range, so I can't argue here.

 

 

 

When battling the cops, you rely on your mobile phone to restore health via the health cheat. (The cops cheat like hell - spawning themselves everywhere - so don't say cheating is a bad thing - it's essential to your survival in this unfair setting of virtual reality).

But every time you take a hit, Niko puts his phone away - Strategic method of making you lose when fighting the powers that be - thus creating a world wide message - No out runnign the long arm of the law.

 

I've never used any cheats in GTA IV, and I've managed to survive most police encounters just fine. I've also only been busted once. Have you tried.... I dunno... using cover? or paying attention to your map to help evade the police? It isn't that impossible.

 

 

 

 

Pathetic and stupid. Criminals will always be criminals no matter what steps your video-games take to premote Anti-Violence/Anti-Crime.

 

So, wait... because there's slightly less violence than the previous titles, you think this game carries some sort of world peace message?

 

 

 

 

When driving, Niko never wears a seat belt - this means when you ramn a car hard enough to kill the occupants inside - you just fly out the wind sheild of your own car - screaming like a little girly man.

 

That I agree with.

 

 

 

So stop whining and just fix these issues I mentioned for the next GTA game. Comprende? That a boy!

 

Who exactly was whining here besides you? Also, we're not the ones developing GTA, so you might want to take your complaints to somebody else.

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Wait, are people taking this argument seriously?

 

GTA is not anti-violence, nor is it pro-violence, it just contains violence and realistic violence to a certain degree. Now all of you can stop being so rude and snarky to each other.

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GTA_getaway_driver

Dude, just because YOU w2ant R* to make changes won't matter, your just 1 in a nearly 1 billion member GTA fanbase. So if your going to throw a fit over GTA then stop playing it....

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I understand that you, Cobra Hunter, made a thread a while ago and posted that you wanted to be able to rape women with shotguns and shoot while it's still inside and eat the brains of someone you just shot in the head, but I think your ideas are a little too extreme to be taken seriously.

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"Everything about this game premotes non-violence."

 

 

Agree. This game is for children. It says right on the box "extremley violent", but there is barley any blood. The should make it realistic. You can't survive in real life if someone hits you with a car. You won't walk away after being shot etc..

 

 

Make it more brutal.

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Urban Legend

If you want gore from Rockstar then you purchase Manhunt and Manhunt2. You can decapitate, blow half a persons face off and see blood, brain, and the bare nasal cavity on the skull. Smash in heads with a baseball bat.

 

I think your asking for too much in GTA. Go play another game. tounge.gif

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Jimmys Waffle
Oh yeah, one more thing to add to the rest of my completely valid points...

 

When driving, Niko never wears a seat belt - this means when you ramn a car hard enough to kill the occupants inside - you just fly out the wind sheild of your own car - screaming like a little girly man.

 

Pathetic.

 

What's more pathetic is how you ALWAYS fail to accept these indisputable truths I mention.

 

All my points are valid.

 

The game is flawed - BIG TIME!!!!

 

So stop whining and just fix these issues I mentioned for the next GTA game. Comprende? That a boy! wink.gif

honestly wut the hell would a seatbelt do for a car going like 200mph hittin' a car going 0-55mph??? honestly have a brain and you dont have to go on a gta forum and complain about all your problems only you have???

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Also, it's very rare that you ever kill a pedestrian in GTA4

That's pretty much the point where I stopped reading.

Stop playing the first mission dude.

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Infinite Monkey

Actually the fact that in the title felt he it was necessary to explain in parentheses that anti-violence means against violence suggests a mind that might not be burning too brightly.

 

Perhaps he is used to mixing in the sort of remedial circles where his kind of low wattage insights might dazzle and impress his natural peer group, but lets move on, shall we?

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Oh yeah, one more thing to add to the rest of my completely valid points...

 

When driving, Niko never wears a seat belt - this means when you ramn a car hard enough to kill the occupants inside - you just fly out the wind sheild of your own car - screaming like a little girly man.

 

Pathetic.

 

What's more pathetic is how you ALWAYS fail to accept these indisputable truths I mention.

 

All my points are valid.

 

The game is flawed - BIG TIME!!!!

 

So stop whining and just fix these issues I mentioned for the next GTA game. Comprende? That a boy! wink.gif

Why do you come to a GTA IV forum to diss the game?

You don't see me going to a Half-life forum to tell the players how bad the game is.

 

Start your own forum.

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Oh yeah, one more thing to add to the rest of my completely valid points...

 

When driving, Niko never wears a seat belt - this means when you ramn a car hard enough to kill the occupants inside - you just fly out the wind sheild of your own car - screaming like  a little girly man.

 

Pathetic.

 

What's more pathetic is how you ALWAYS fail to accept these indisputable truths I mention.

 

All my points are valid.

 

The game is flawed - BIG TIME!!!!

 

So stop whining and just fix these issues I mentioned for the next GTA game. Comprende? That a boy! wink.gif

Why do you come to a GTA IV forum to diss the game?

You don't see me going to a Half-life forum to tell the players how bad the game is.

 

Start your own forum.

They would eat you alive on a Half Life forum.

 

I just want better physics, a destruction engine and more extreme sports on the next GTA.

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roryhynes

I totally agree with you on the phone and cheats, and I think that any obstacles on the pavement should be at least partially destructible. The melee system works-ish, can be annoying. I think there should be a different button to melee with your gun, ever been really close to a cop trying to bust you and Niko/Johnny/Luis tries to hit him with the gun and misses, incredibly annoying.

 

Personally I think a gory face-off effect would mean that GTA will get a AO or R18 rating and will attract to much controversy. You could get away with it on PS2 because the graphics made everything comical.

 

 

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If you really love violence this much, why don't you destroy your car's windshield and hop out at 100mph, let's see you not screaming like a little girl smile.gif

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Jimmys Waffle
I totally agree with you on the phone and cheats,

Ok lemme get this straight....if you are on ur phone....and u get shot or rammed with a car you would still be lookin' possibly dialing your phone.....oh now I get it... isn't that soooo realistic...again I say as in my last post...''please have a brain'' this game wuz supposed to be realistic......you people make me barf8bd.gif .........

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Urban Legend

In Russia... You don't shoot gun, gun shoot you. That's why Niko doesn't fight. He ain't no George Foreman or Ali, but he does miss from a distance of 24 - 36 inches away.

 

You know what, f*cuk this topic.

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roryhynes
I totally agree with you on the phone and cheats,

Ok lemme get this straight....if you are on ur phone....and u get shot or rammed with a car you would still be lookin' possibly dialing your phone.....oh now I get it... isn't that soooo realistic...again I say as in my last post...''please have a brain'' this game wuz supposed to be realistic......you people make me barf8bd.gif .........

Ok so maybe you can't operate it for the amount of time that the bullet hits you or you are not on your feet. But it shouldn't disappear and force you to navigate to where you were again.

 

And if anyone says that cheats are for noobs, you will never have fun on GTA and I hate your guts for not understanding why they put the cheats there.

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learn to play GTA4, im not the owner of GTA4 but my friend has it, i tried it and i survived a 6 star level at a house for like 1 hour, i died because some SWAT dude ran in epicly when i was calm and wasnt up for the reflex time

 

 

so yeah, take cover, its easy, especially over wanted lvl 3 find a place to hide because they bring in stronger enemies, so yeah learn to play, for me it has gore enough.

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