Is there any legal vays to run GTAIV without disc?

[sjaak327]

PecanFrost, yes Europe as a country doesn't exist. However the European Union takes away many of the local laws and centralises it to Brussels. I know the English don't want to participate in it fully, one of the reasons the GBP is a laughing currency the last few years.

 

If you don't think Brussels has any saying in the matter, I suggest you ask Microsoft, they will tell you the real truth.

 

As to EULA, there are plenty of cases where a too strict EULA has been voided in Europe, for instance running a no DVD will NEVER EVER lead to a problem for someone inside the European Union. It will be voided as such whenever it hits the courts.

 

 

[haints]

Can the official no cd patch be run with xlivess? Or are they mutually exclusive?

[Weirdo.]

Can the official no cd patch be run with xlivess? Or are they mutually exclusive?

No, let me explain. The Official No-CD launcher is basically the same as the regular one, except it does not require a disc. Everything that worked with the original launcher will most definitely work with the No-CD one.

[GhostStorm]

Surely NOT using a disk version means that the game would run slower as its having to check the computer all the time?

[Weirdo.]

 

Surely NOT using a disk version means that the game would run slower as its having to check the computer all the time?

No, in-fact, that's utterly wrong.

 

Running the game completely from the hard drive proves to be faster because the game does not have to check for a disc, which is basically a piece of removable media storage. The hard-drive is connected to the computer trough wires, so it flows the data without hesitation.

Edited March 27, 2010 by Weirdo.

[mkey82]

My dear friend... I have the right to use any program within the limits allowed by the European and local law. As opposed to the US, the EU doesn't let corporations write law and do whatever the f*uck they want. As for the EULA, I have the right not to give a s*hit about the Corporate America and their shenanigans (as long as I do it for my personal use of course). If somebody doesn't like it, they have the right to suck my d*ick.

 

Now, I'm perfectly aware that someone raised in America, where corporations do their best to brainwash as many people as possible, may have a hard time understanding this concept but I still ask you to try. Otherwise you might end up like this.

Dear blithering moron,

 

I'm not American

 

Now, every (most) applications ask you to *confirm* the EULA *before* actually installing the program. And yes, you are bound by that license as per the agreement. You are not allowed to distribute the software, you're not allowed to modify executables, you're not allowed to modify the installation package and so on, depending on the type of license. If you confirm the license, you obviously have to agree.

 

You obviously have a hard time conceiving such a simple concept of a software license so there you go.

 

Also, please explain (in a few short points) which rights do you think you are so highly privileged of? What does the European law lol allow you to do with the game you purchased from some of them evil corporations?

[Chevyboy]

My dear friend... I have the right to use any program within the limits allowed by the European and local law. As opposed to the US, the EU doesn't let corporations write law and do whatever the f*uck they want. As for the EULA, I have the right not to give a s*hit about the Corporate America and their shenanigans (as long as I do it for my personal use of course). If somebody doesn't like it, they have the right to suck my d*ick.

 

Now, I'm perfectly aware that someone raised in America, where corporations do their best to brainwash as many people as possible, may have a hard time understanding this concept but I still ask you to try. Otherwise you might end up like this.

Dear blithering moron,

 

I'm not American

 

Now, every (most) applications ask you to *confirm* the EULA *before* actually installing the program. And yes, you are bound by that license as per the agreement. You are not allowed to distribute the software, you're not allowed to modify executables, you're not allowed to modify the installation package and so on, depending on the type of license. If you confirm the license, you obviously have to agree.

 

You obviously have a hard time conceiving such a simple concept of a software license so there you go.

 

Also, please explain (in a few short points) which rights do you think you are so highly privileged of? What does the European law lol allow you to do with the game you purchased from some of them evil corporations?

Don't argue with the bantering fool Mkey, it's a lost cause

 

Still planning to pick up a 5*** series card or waiting for the 6*** series late this year? After selling that 5850 I picked up day one before I even got to try it I'm still deciding between a 5890 likely to come in a couple months or just waiting for the 6*** line. This 512MB version just isn't cutting it anymore

[ikt]

My dear friend... I have the right to use any program within the limits allowed by the European and local law. As opposed to the US, the EU doesn't let corporations write law and do whatever the f*uck they want. As for the EULA, I have the right not to give a s*hit about the Corporate America and their shenanigans (as long as I do it for my personal use of course). If somebody doesn't like it, they have the right to suck my d*ick.

 

Now, I'm perfectly aware that someone raised in America, where corporations do their best to brainwash as many people as possible, may have a hard time understanding this concept but I still ask you to try. Otherwise you might end up like this.

Dear blithering moron,

 

I'm not American

 

Now, every (most) applications ask you to *confirm* the EULA *before* actually installing the program. And yes, you are bound by that license as per the agreement. You are not allowed to distribute the software, you're not allowed to modify executables, you're not allowed to modify the installation package and so on, depending on the type of license. If you confirm the license, you obviously have to agree.

 

You obviously have a hard time conceiving such a simple concept of a software license so there you go.

 

Also, please explain (in a few short points) which rights do you think you are so highly privileged of? What does the European law lol allow you to do with the game you purchased from some of them evil corporations?

Don't argue with the bantering fool Mkey, it's a lost cause

 

Still planning to pick up a 5*** series card or waiting for the 6*** series late this year? After selling that 5850 I picked up day one before I even got to try it I'm still deciding between a 5890 likely to come in a couple months or just waiting for the 6*** line. This 512MB version just isn't cutting it anymore

If you have too much money, get some GTX4x0 cards. Fermi!

 

Although i'd stick with what you have now until something very awesome comes. I have a weak HD4830, but it still plays games fine, although not on very high settings. But that's how things are. My old 6600GT was able to hold up with the most demanding games until it broke. 8000 series and on, 'mainstream' cards get weaker compared to high-end cards.

[OutOfTimer]

 

Dear blithering moron, I'm not American. Now, every (most) applications ask you to *confirm* the EULA *before* actually installing the program. And yes, you are bound by that license as per the agreement. You are not allowed to distribute the software, you're not allowed to modify executables, you're not allowed to modify the installation package and so on, depending on the type of license. If you confirm the license, you obviously have to agree. Also, please explain (in a few short points) which rights do you think you are so highly privileged of? What does the European law lol allow you to do with the game you purchased from some of them evil corporations?

Why do you insult me? Did I insult you in any of my posts? I am not allowed to distribute software because it's forbidden by the copyright law and has nothing to do with the EULA. Since you've added insults to your ignorance now, I won't continue this conversation. Goodbye.

 

 

Surely NOT using a disk version means that the game would run slower as its having to check the computer all the time?

ROFL It's exactly the other way round.

[BKwegoharder]

My dear friend... I have the right to use any program within the limits allowed by the European and local law. As opposed to the US, the EU doesn't let corporations write law and do whatever the f*uck they want. As for the EULA, I have the right not to give a s*hit about the Corporate America and their shenanigans (as long as I do it for my personal use of course). If somebody doesn't like it, they have the right to suck my d*ick.

 

Now, I'm perfectly aware that someone raised in America, where corporations do their best to brainwash as many people as possible, may have a hard time understanding this concept but I still ask you to try. Otherwise you might end up like this.

Dear blithering moron,

 

I'm not American

 

Now, every (most) applications ask you to *confirm* the EULA *before* actually installing the program. And yes, you are bound by that license as per the agreement. You are not allowed to distribute the software, you're not allowed to modify executables, you're not allowed to modify the installation package and so on, depending on the type of license. If you confirm the license, you obviously have to agree.

 

You obviously have a hard time conceiving such a simple concept of a software license so there you go.

 

Also, please explain (in a few short points) which rights do you think you are so highly privileged of? What does the European law lol allow you to do with the game you purchased from some of them evil corporations?

EULAs are not always legally binding, and there are actually many situations where where people put agreements in EULAs that are actually violating consumer rights laws.

[Chevyboy]

 

If you have too much money, get some GTX4x0 cards. Fermi!

 

Although i'd stick with what you have now until something very awesome comes. I have a weak HD4830, but it still plays games fine, although not on very high settings. But that's how things are. My old 6600GT was able to hold up with the most demanding games until it broke. 8000 series and on, 'mainstream' cards get weaker compared to high-end cards.

No chance I will be purchasing that overpriced space heater. 5-10% improvement over the 5870 for an extra $100 (minimum), potentially hundred(s) of dollars a year in electricity difference and a card that will replace the furnace in my house during winter is simply silly. Heck if I wanted the better performance I'd pick up 2 5870's that would use slightly less electricity than a single 480, sad I know

 

I also don't usually settle for "playing fine", only so long I can go without being able to max new release games before I have to upgrade. Stalker CS and CoP, Metro 2033 and BF BC2 are a few examples of games, having to play Metro 2033 at medium to average higher than 30 FPS really stings. Also to consider the 4870 I have could still fetch $100 or so, longer I wait the less desirable it becomes.

 

What to do what to do.

[viometrix]

i myself am an nvidia fanboy and i am probably passing up these cards till at the very least 2nd generation... but i am running dual gtx 285's and can still max out 99% of games, just lacking dx11 support for the short term.

[haints]

Can the official no cd patch be run with xlivess? Or are they mutually exclusive?

No, let me explain. The Official No-CD launcher is basically the same as the regular one, except it does not require a disc. Everything that worked with the original launcher will most definitely work with the No-CD one.

Thanks for the explanation. Downloaded the launcher and it works fine ... only problem is it takes slightly longer to boot the game for some reason, but other than that, no problems. It is a relief to finally be able to put the dvd away rather than take it out and put it back in every time whenever I need to use another disc ...

[sjaak327]

 

Can the official no cd patch be run with xlivess? Or are they mutually exclusive?

No, let me explain. The Official No-CD launcher is basically the same as the regular one, except it does not require a disc. Everything that worked with the original launcher will most definitely work with the No-CD one.

Thanks for the explanation. Downloaded the launcher and it works fine ... only problem is it takes slightly longer to boot the game for some reason, but other than that, no problems. It is a relief to finally be able to put the dvd away rather than take it out and put it back in every time whenever I need to use another disc ...

That's strange, it should be the opposite, with the original launcher it takes about 15-20 seconds to authenticate the disk, the official no dvd doesn't perform that step, hence it's quicker to boot the game.

 

These Swedish guys who released Just Cause 2 lead the way, install the game, activate serial via Steam and put the disc out of the machine and into the packaging, surely Rockstar can follow this good example ?

 

 

[viometrix]

TURN OFF VSYNC, your game will load super fast, turn back on in game.

[haints]

Can the official no cd patch be run with xlivess? Or are they mutually exclusive?

No, let me explain. The Official No-CD launcher is basically the same as the regular one, except it does not require a disc. Everything that worked with the original launcher will most definitely work with the No-CD one.

Thanks for the explanation. Downloaded the launcher and it works fine ... only problem is it takes slightly longer to boot the game for some reason, but other than that, no problems. It is a relief to finally be able to put the dvd away rather than take it out and put it back in every time whenever I need to use another disc ...

That's strange, it should be the opposite, with the original launcher it takes about 15-20 seconds to authenticate the disk, the official no dvd doesn't perform that step, hence it's quicker to boot the game.

 

These Swedish guys who released Just Cause 2 lead the way, install the game, activate serial via Steam and put the disc out of the machine and into the packaging, surely Rockstar can follow this good example ?

In addition to xliveless, I'm also running a no pc loading screen mod, wonder if that combo has anything to do with it ...

[haints]

 

TURN OFF VSYNC, your game will load super fast, turn back on in game.

Thanks for the tip. I'll try this.

 

[mkey82]

 

Why do you insult me? Did I insult you in any of my posts?

 

Now, I'm perfectly aware that someone raised in America, where corporations do their best to brainwash as many people as possible, may have a hard time understanding this concept but I still ask you to try. Otherwise you might end up like this.

This was an outright insult, no matter how you look at it. I'm not a moron and your horse over there is pretty f*cking high. Also, ignorant? What about your Steam comment? That one was enlightened, was it? Or is it just so that you find ignorance anywhere but in your own yard?

 

 

I am not allowed to distribute software because it's forbidden by the copyright law and has nothing to do with the EULA.

So you honor the copyright law but ignore the EULA? What about the "European law" that allows you "to do whatever you want with the software"? I'm the ignorant one? Really?

 

 

EULAs are not always legally binding, and there are actually many situations where where people put agreements in EULAs that are actually violating consumer rights laws.

A fair point to some extent, but

 

a) I will not defend malware that abuses the EULA by putting stuff into it that makes their evildoing "legal", nothing I said relates to that part

b) "user rights laws" is very fragile concept in most of the world so I don't know how would you even start defining it

c) If you the EULA poses any sort of danger toward your freedoms, you're legally bound to refuse to accept it (you know, as that little screen always offers two options) and *not* install the software.

[viometrix]

Touche

 

[crackdawg]

The Sony patch and release team cracks are the only way to do this. Both currently violate the legally binded EULA. If it's not legally binding in your country good for you..nobody cares.

 

I'm locking this thread.

[ikt]

The Sony patch and release team cracks are the only way to do this. Both currently violate the legally binded EULA. If it's not legally binding in your country good for you..nobody cares.

 

I'm locking this thread.

You're not even a mod

[sjaak327]

EULAs are not always legally binding, and there are actually many situations where where people put agreements in EULAs that are actually violating consumer rights laws.

A fair point to some extent, but

 

a) I will not defend malware that abuses the EULA by putting stuff into it that makes their evildoing "legal", nothing I said relates to that part

b) "user rights laws" is very fragile concept in most of the world so I don't know how would you even start defining it

c) If you the EULA poses any sort of danger toward your freedoms, you're legally bound to refuse to accept it (you know, as that little screen always offers two options) and *not* install the software.

To be fair, running a no DVD supplied by securirom is not equal to putting malware in to make evildoing legal (as a matter of fact, it is securirom that released this altered launchgtaiv.exe not some hacker !

 

Regarding C, that's not exactly how it works, as consumer rights don't say you first have to pay money, and then since the EULA violates your rights in any way, you have to bite the bullet and not install the software, the EULA is simply not applicable, and you're free to install the software at your own leasure, which is perfectly understandable, you paid for the goods in any case.

 

 

[WTFX]

as long as u bought the game, screw the eula, it's morally right and no-one's coming to ur house to check if u have a crack installed.

[viometrix]

The Sony patch and release team cracks are the only way to do this. Both currently violate the legally binded EULA. If it's not legally binding in your country good for you..nobody cares.

 

I'm locking this thread.

you my friend are retarded. i know of at least 15 ways to do it. and sony cracks? wtf you talking bout willis? simple, all you need is the steam launchgtaiv.exe, or search like hell to find the original securom no dvd launcher (which is exactly 100% the same as the steam launcher) and your done. but dont go talking smack like that, id post exactly how to do it, but it is a violation of the rules and im tired of being banned.

[Chevyboy]

The Sony patch and release team cracks are the only way to do this. Both currently violate the legally binded EULA. If it's not legally binding in your country good for you..nobody cares.

 

I'm locking this thread.

A power trip without any actual power... good times.

[OutOfTimer]

 

Dear blithering moron

Nice medal you have there, mkey82. I'd like to thank you so much for everything you put into these forums. Also, don't forget to keep up the great work. If one medal allows you to go around calling people morons, then I'm afraid to even think what you'd do with two of those. I do enjoy reading your custom Disrespect List, though.

 

 

The Sony patch and release team cracks are the only way to do this. Both currently violate the legally binding EULA. If it's not legally binding in your country good for you... nobody cares.

 

I'm locking this thread.

Thanks, dude. You made my day.

Edited March 30, 2010 by OutOfTimer

[haints]

 

The Sony patch and release team cracks are the only way to do this. Both currently violate the legally binded EULA. If it's not legally binding in your country good for you..nobody cares.

 

I'm locking this thread.

Hey, Super Secret Undercover Mod ... I thought you said you were "locking this thread" .... ? And yet .... the thread still is not locked .... It almost makes me think that you aren't really a Super Secret Undercover Mod after all ... But I still have some faith left in you. I'll bet you're just waiting till just the right moment to lock this thread, with your Super Secret Undercover Mod Powers ... Don't let me down, man--I believe in you!!!!

[Vercetti Thug]

 

 

 

I'm locking this thread.

I want some of whatever you been smoking!

[mkey82]

Dear blithering moron

Nice medal you have there, mkey82. I'd like to thank you so much for everything you put into these forums. Also, don't forget to keep up the great work. If one medal allows you to go around calling people morons, then I'm afraid to even think what you'd do with two of those. I do enjoy reading your custom Disrespect List, though.

I'm not calling *people* morons, I'm calling *you* a moron. And the medal seems to bother you a lot more then it does me, never asked for one nor do I need it for posting here or to give more importance to what I write. In fact, it supplies more grief then anything else as there are always morons reading medals instead of reading what they actually wrote. I'll quote again, maybe you'll manage not to skip it this time.

 

 

Now, I'm perfectly aware that someone raised in America, where corporations do their best to brainwash as many people as possible, may have a hard time understanding this concept but I still ask you to try. Otherwise you might end up like this.

I won't keep my breath, though.

 

 

To be fair, running a no DVD supplied by securirom is not equal to putting malware in to make evildoing legal (as a matter of fact, it is securirom that released this altered launchgtaiv.exe not some hacker !

I fail to see how does this relates to anything I wrote.

 

 

Regarding C, that's not exactly how it works, as consumer rights don't say you first have to pay money, and then since the EULA violates your rights in any way, you have to bite the bullet and not install the software, the EULA is simply not applicable, and you're free to install the software at your own leasure, which is perfectly understandable, you paid for the goods in any case.

This is partly correct and if it was me having a problem with the EULA, I would request a copy from the manufacturer/support prior to purchase.

[crackdawg]

Good luck using those "consumer rights" in a court without code references and against heavily integrated high-priced lawyers the corporate-backed prosecution will be using..

 

If you read the latest US annotated code book you'll see there is literally open clauses in every law, prosecution and defense success is more dictated by financial and social means, it always has been. Basically the old saying 'money talks and bullsh*t walks' still stands true. You think if politics and justice were dictate by written rules the world would be in it's current state? nearly every action today contradicts set-rules. A hobo law-genius vs a corporation is still an open-closed case; violation irrelevant.

Edited March 31, 2010 by crackdawg