Elizabeta Torres = Griselda Blanco?

[Suction Testicle Man]

Watched a documentary film about the Cocaine Wars in Miami, and it featured heavily a woman called Griselda Blanco, an infamous druglord. There are quite a few similarities to Elizabeta:

 

• Both were highly irrational sociopaths.

• Elizabeta mentioned being married three times. It's thought Blanco had her three husbands murdered.

• Both have suggested bisexual tendencies.

• Both were primarily involved with cocaine.

• Similar geographical (& hispanic) background; Elizabeta was Puerto Rican, Blanco was Colombian.

• Both have stories of childhood violence (Elizabeta murdered a man that tried to rape her at 14, Blanco reportedly kidnapped another child for ransom (then failed and shot the child) aged 11.

• Both lived relatively close in New York (Elizabeta in Bohan (Bronx), Blanco in Queens (Dukes)).

• Both were ultimately indicted in NY on drug distribution charges.

 

I'd say there's enough evidence to suggest the character was inspired by Blanco (though obviously with a 30 year time gap). Though a more interesting fact is Blanco fled from her indictment in New York to Miami, where she became the 'Queen of Cocaine' (take a look at the Wikipedia article above). In other words, she sounds like an archetypal GTA boss/villain.

 

Obviously there are plenty of differences between the two - Elizabeta doesn't have 4 sons and doesn't look anything like Blanco, for starters. But personally I think if we're revisiting VC for the next GTA, we're going to see a fugitive Elizabeta having escaped on bail.

[dragmetolibertycity]

Great research. I saw Cocaine Cowboys and I never saw any similarities until now.

[Vecceti]

Could be. But Liz was in Gta4 not 5

[Suction Testicle Man]

 

Could be. But Liz was in Gta4 not 5

That's kinda the point... assuming some IV characters filter through to V, as has happened with past GTAs, there's a chance Elizabeta might make another appearance.

 

@dragmetal - That's the one! I meant Cocaine Cowboys.

[dragmetolibertycity]

dragmetal sounds like a cooler name than mine... sorry to be offtopic but that's if we are assuming Gta next or 5 is canonical to GTA4

[Vecceti]

Could be. But Liz was in Gta4 not 5

That's kinda the point... assuming some IV characters filter through to V, as has happened with past GTAs, there's a chance Elizabeta might make another appearance.

 

@dragmetal - That's the one! I meant Cocaine Cowboys.

Oh. Point taken

Hey didn't the (TBOGT SPOILER) hobo who found the diamonds in the garbage open up a gunshop in VC? If so, he could be there too

[ZayDaGawd]

Elizibeta was a low level dealer. In real life south bronx, never would a female have so much power in the drug game.

[dragmetolibertycity]

Who gives a sh.it! it's a video game.

[ZayDaGawd]

Who gives a sh.it! it's a video game.

I can put my input into whatever I want, thank you.

[dragmetolibertycity]

and I responded to your input. I can do that, you know.

[ZayDaGawd]

and I responded to your input. I can do that, you know.

Im not finna argue with someone who's looking for my attention, keep it moving.

[dragmetolibertycity]

don't flatter yourself I'm not looking for your attention. If we do get to see Elizabeta, would we work for her again or get betrayed by her?

[ZayDaGawd]

don't flatter yourself I'm not looking for your attention. If we do get to see Elizabeta, would we work for her again or get betrayed by her?

Betray her, no one is loyal to men, so i doubt they will be loyal to a women.

 

My 2 cents

[dragmetolibertycity]

don't flatter yourself I'm not looking for your attention. If we do get to see Elizabeta, would we work for her again or get betrayed by her?

Betray her, no one is loyal to men, so i doubt they will be loyal to a women.

 

My 2 cents

I wonder why your topic got locked.

[ZayDaGawd]

don't flatter yourself I'm not looking for your attention. If we do get to see Elizabeta, would we work for her again or get betrayed by her?

Betray her, no one is loyal to men, so i doubt they will be loyal to a women.

 

My 2 cents

I wonder why your topic got locked.

The mod was tired of seeing those children make fools out of themselves.

So was I...

[dragmetolibertycity]

not what I read

 

 

I think we're done here. There's nothing to discuss other than the OP's 'facts', just like the last hundred incarnations of this topic that demand a US setting because crips are so cool and Europe is gay.

[ZayDaGawd]

not what I read

 

 

I think we're done here. There's nothing to discuss other than the OP's 'facts', just like the last hundred incarnations of this topic that demand a US setting because crips are so cool and Europe is gay.

Keep it moving troll

[dragmetolibertycity]

I tried to keep it moving but you say some dumb shi.t. Anyways would it be cool if Elizabeta actually became a modern day Griselda in Vice City, becoming much more paranoid and murderous.

 

P.S. A well known troll calling me a troll makes me laugh.

[Sergi]

Elizibeta was a low level dealer. In real life south bronx, never would a female have so much power in the drug game.

You clearly have no real idea of what you're talking about. 1st off Elizabeta was far from a low level dealer. She was a distributor if anything and there's no way in f*cking hell that a low level anything would have the feds(in her case the FIB, more then likely a drug department similar to the DEA and NOOSE) build a case against her nor would she have gotten 300 years especially since in real life in order for the feds(FBI, DEA, ATF, ICE) build a case against you you have to be pretty big. 2nd off there have been women in very big power positions in modern street gangs, drug trafficking organizations and so forth. Seeing as I'm guessing you aren't from NY you wouldn't know but females have been charged numerous times in the last few years for being leaders in major organizations.

 

Here's just 1 example from NJ. The DEA took down a female only set of the notorious Sex Money Murder Bloods. Sex Money Murder as a whole is really 2 different organizations, the "real" SMM created by Pistol Pete in the 80s in the Soundview Projects in the Bronx and the off shoot Sex Money Murder Bloods who are big all around Jersey.

 

http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/states/new.../nwk072809.html

 

Anyways I don't see the similarities what so ever nor the connection. 1 was Puerto Rican and bi sexual or a lesbian who was also on coke while the other was Colombian and a complete sociopath. However Cocaine Cowboys was a great documentary and far superior over the Griselda Blanco focused Cocaine Cowboys 2.

[ZayDaGawd]

Elizibeta was a low level dealer. In real life south bronx, never would a female have so much power in the drug game.

You clearly have no real idea of what you're talking about. 1st off Elizabeta was far from a low level dealer. She was a distributor if anything and there's no way in f*cking hell that a low level anything would have the feds(in her case the FIB, more then likely a drug department similar to the DEA and NOOSE) build a case against her nor would she have gotten 300 years especially since in real life in order for the feds(FBI, DEA, ATF, ICE) build a case against you you have to be pretty big. 2nd off there have been women in very big power positions in modern street gangs, drug trafficking organizations and so forth. Seeing as I'm guessing you aren't from NY you wouldn't know but females have been charged numerous times in the last few years for being leaders in major organizations.

 

Here's just 1 example from NJ. The DEA took down a female only set of the notorious Sex Money Murder Bloods. Sex Money Murder as a whole is really 2 different organizations, the "real" SMM created by Pistol Pete in the 80s in the Soundview Projects in the Bronx and the off shoot Sex Money Murder Bloods who are big all around Jersey.

 

http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/states/new.../nwk072809.html

 

Anyways I don't see the similarities what so ever nor the connection. 1 was Puerto Rican and bi sexual or a lesbian who was also on coke while the other was Colombian and a complete sociopath. However Cocaine Cowboys was a great documentary and far superior over the Griselda Blanco focused Cocaine Cowboys 2.

1.)my dad worked with tons of low level dealers in STL that got federal cases.

 

2.)Like i said, SMM is run by males

 

3.)males gangs are more dangerous and powerful than female gangs

 

4.)You never been anywhere near south bronx

[Sergi]

 

Elizibeta was a low level dealer. In real life south bronx, never would a female have so much power in the drug game.

You clearly have no real idea of what you're talking about. 1st off Elizabeta was far from a low level dealer. She was a distributor if anything and there's no way in f*cking hell that a low level anything would have the feds(in her case the FIB, more then likely a drug department similar to the DEA and NOOSE) build a case against her nor would she have gotten 300 years especially since in real life in order for the feds(FBI, DEA, ATF, ICE) build a case against you you have to be pretty big. 2nd off there have been women in very big power positions in modern street gangs, drug trafficking organizations and so forth. Seeing as I'm guessing you aren't from NY you wouldn't know but females have been charged numerous times in the last few years for being leaders in major organizations.

 

Here's just 1 example from NJ. The DEA took down a female only set of the notorious Sex Money Murder Bloods. Sex Money Murder as a whole is really 2 different organizations, the "real" SMM created by Pistol Pete in the 80s in the Soundview Projects in the Bronx and the off shoot Sex Money Murder Bloods who are big all around Jersey.

 

http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/states/new.../nwk072809.html

 

Anyways I don't see the similarities what so ever nor the connection. 1 was Puerto Rican and bi sexual or a lesbian who was also on coke while the other was Colombian and a complete sociopath. However Cocaine Cowboys was a great documentary and far superior over the Griselda Blanco focused Cocaine Cowboys 2.

1.)my dad worked with tons of low level dealers in STL that got federal cases.

 

2.)Like i said, SMM is run by males

 

3.)males gangs are more dangerous and powerful than female gangs

 

4.)You never been anywhere near south bronx

1. I bet your dad did. What other stories do you have to go along with your fairytales? Anyways low levels do not get fed charges anywhere near what Eliebeta got you dip sh*t. There was no indication that anyone else got arrested with Eleizebeta on the radio or internet or wherever her story opoped up. She was the vocal person they were after so in point she was far from low level.

 

2. You never said anything. Maybe if your dumb ass read the article you'd see that the entire set was ran by females. Case in point why everyone charged and arrested by the DEA were females and females who were making alot of money and held alot of power as well.

 

3. Well no f*cking duh. Nobody is arguing against that but you prove your ignorance by thinking that males are the only 1s in power positions. While that's how it it 98% of the time, there is that 2% for cases in real life like Blanco or in the GTA world with Elizebeta.

 

4. How the hell are you going to tell me where I've been? I'm a born and raised New Yorker who has traveled all over this city. However from your dumb ass statement it's evident YOU have never been nor know anything about the South Bronx as it's no where near as bad as someone would make it seem. The only people that would have problems in the South Bronx are people who are involved in the drug trade or gang members with problems. Pedestrians have very little problems especially since genterfication is present in the South Bronx heavily. Now after dark is 1 thing and that's only for certain places. Now I'm not saying it's super safe and people can and will get mugged but as I said for regular pedestrians, you can go all through almost any section of NY with relatively no problems during the daytime.

[Typhus]

It may not have anything to do with V but thanks for sharing this. I love learning about these kinds of people, even if they are descipable murderers there's something admirable about how they can climb their way to the top from a background of such poverty and squalor.

Thing is, wouldn't it be stretching credibility if Elizabeta showed up in GTA V? I was under the impression that she got sent down the river for about three hundred years? How on earth would she get out of jail?

[Sergi]

It may not have anything to do with V but thanks for sharing this. I love learning about these kinds of people, even if they are descipable murderers there's something admirable about how they can climb their way to the top from a background of such poverty and squalor.

Thing is, wouldn't it be stretching credibility if Elizabeta showed up in GTA V? I was under the impression that she got sent down the river for about three hundred years? How on earth would she get out of jail?

She did. It's 1 thing to jump bail but it's another thing to already have been sentenced. Elizebeta was sentenced to 300 years meaning she has already been sent to more then likely a maximum security prison so there's no hope for her ever getting out. Hell she never would have been able to jump bail anyways seeing as for high profile targets, people they think are a flight risk, or have huge charges like her (30 cocaine distribution charges) wouldn't even get a chance to post bail. Even if she did have that oppurtunity 30 seperate cocaine charges with 10 years each would cost literally hundreds of thousands and you have to put up legal money and seeing she was a drug dealer who lived in the projects with no known family, shw wouldn't have been able to post bail even if she had it since most if not all her income is from illicit activity.

[Vecceti]

It may not have anything to do with V but thanks for sharing this. I love learning about these kinds of people, even if they are descipable murderers there's something admirable about how they can climb their way to the top from a background of such poverty and squalor.

Thing is, wouldn't it be stretching credibility if Elizabeta showed up in GTA V? I was under the impression that she got sent down the river for about three hundred years? How on earth would she get out of jail?

She did. It's 1 thing to jump bail but it's another thing to already have been sentenced. Elizebeta was sentenced to 300 years meaning she has already been sent to more then likely a maximum security prison so there's no hope for her ever getting out.

 

Not if Red can get her a rockhammer

[ZayDaGawd]

Elizibeta was a low level dealer. In real life south bronx, never would a female have so much power in the drug game.

You clearly have no real idea of what you're talking about. 1st off Elizabeta was far from a low level dealer. She was a distributor if anything and there's no way in f*cking hell that a low level anything would have the feds(in her case the FIB, more then likely a drug department similar to the DEA and NOOSE) build a case against her nor would she have gotten 300 years especially since in real life in order for the feds(FBI, DEA, ATF, ICE) build a case against you you have to be pretty big. 2nd off there have been women in very big power positions in modern street gangs, drug trafficking organizations and so forth. Seeing as I'm guessing you aren't from NY you wouldn't know but females have been charged numerous times in the last few years for being leaders in major organizations.

 

Here's just 1 example from NJ. The DEA took down a female only set of the notorious Sex Money Murder Bloods. Sex Money Murder as a whole is really 2 different organizations, the "real" SMM created by Pistol Pete in the 80s in the Soundview Projects in the Bronx and the off shoot Sex Money Murder Bloods who are big all around Jersey.

 

http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/states/new.../nwk072809.html

 

Anyways I don't see the similarities what so ever nor the connection. 1 was Puerto Rican and bi sexual or a lesbian who was also on coke while the other was Colombian and a complete sociopath. However Cocaine Cowboys was a great documentary and far superior over the Griselda Blanco focused Cocaine Cowboys 2.

1.)my dad worked with tons of low level dealers in STL that got federal cases.

 

2.)Like i said, SMM is run by males

 

3.)males gangs are more dangerous and powerful than female gangs

 

4.)You never been anywhere near south bronx

1. I bet your dad did. What other stories do you have to go along with your fairytales? Anyways low levels do not get fed charges anywhere near what Eliebeta got you dip sh*t. There was no indication that anyone else got arrested with Eleizebeta on the radio or internet or wherever her story opoped up. She was the vocal person they were after so in point she was far from low level.

 

2. You never said anything. Maybe if your dumb ass read the article you'd see that the entire set was ran by females. Case in point why everyone charged and arrested by the DEA were females and females who were making alot of money and held alot of power as well.

 

3. Well no f*cking duh. Nobody is arguing against that but you prove your ignorance by thinking that males are the only 1s in power positions. While that's how it it 98% of the time, there is that 2% for cases in real life like Blanco or in the GTA world with Elizebeta.

 

4. How the hell are you going to tell me where I've been? I'm a born and raised New Yorker who has traveled all over this city. However from your dumb ass statement it's evident YOU have never been nor know anything about the South Bronx as it's no where near as bad as someone would make it seem. The only people that would have problems in the South Bronx are people who are involved in the drug trade or gang members with problems. Pedestrians have very little problems especially since genterfication is present in the South Bronx heavily. Now after dark is 1 thing and that's only for certain places. Now I'm not saying it's super safe and people can and will get mugged but as I said for regular pedestrians, you can go all through almost any section of NY with relatively no problems during the daytime.

You dont know how stuff works suburb boy. Fairytales? If you think 10 years in federal prison is a "fairytale" then prove it

 

Yes, elizabeta sold a little bit of coke, but look where she was living, a regular public housing unit. Did she even have a car? Where were her soilders?

 

Hell PBX was atleast twice as powerful as she was.

 

 

[ZayDaGawd]

It may not have anything to do with V but thanks for sharing this. I love learning about these kinds of people, even if they are descipable murderers there's something admirable about how they can climb their way to the top from a background of such poverty and squalor.

Thing is, wouldn't it be stretching credibility if Elizabeta showed up in GTA V? I was under the impression that she got sent down the river for about three hundred years? How on earth would she get out of jail?

She did. It's 1 thing to jump bail but it's another thing to already have been sentenced. Elizebeta was sentenced to 300 years meaning she has already been sent to more then likely a maximum security prison so there's no hope for her ever getting out. Hell she never would have been able to jump bail anyways seeing as for high profile targets, people they think are a flight risk, or have huge charges like her (30 cocaine distribution charges) wouldn't even get a chance to post bail. Even if she did have that oppurtunity 30 seperate cocaine charges with 10 years each would cost literally hundreds of thousands and you have to put up legal money and seeing she was a drug dealer who lived in the projects with no known family, shw wouldn't have been able to post bail even if she had it since most if not all her income is from illicit activity.

This here proved she was uncapable of running a drug organization. So sloppy.

[Jerzeyboi]

Elizibeta was a low level dealer. In real life south bronx, never would a female have so much power in the drug game.

You clearly have no real idea of what you're talking about. 1st off Elizabeta was far from a low level dealer. She was a distributor if anything and there's no way in f*cking hell that a low level anything would have the feds(in her case the FIB, more then likely a drug department similar to the DEA and NOOSE) build a case against her nor would she have gotten 300 years especially since in real life in order for the feds(FBI, DEA, ATF, ICE) build a case against you you have to be pretty big. 2nd off there have been women in very big power positions in modern street gangs, drug trafficking organizations and so forth. Seeing as I'm guessing you aren't from NY you wouldn't know but females have been charged numerous times in the last few years for being leaders in major organizations.

 

Here's just 1 example from NJ. The DEA took down a female only set of the notorious Sex Money Murder Bloods. Sex Money Murder as a whole is really 2 different organizations, the "real" SMM created by Pistol Pete in the 80s in the Soundview Projects in the Bronx and the off shoot Sex Money Murder Bloods who are big all around Jersey.

 

http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/states/new.../nwk072809.html

 

Anyways I don't see the similarities what so ever nor the connection. 1 was Puerto Rican and bi sexual or a lesbian who was also on coke while the other was Colombian and a complete sociopath. However Cocaine Cowboys was a great documentary and far superior over the Griselda Blanco focused Cocaine Cowboys 2.

Figures that would happen in my home county. Jesus. Exactly why I moved out of NJ. Best decision I have made yet.

[Cheat]

Nice, at last some theory I really believe, an it isn't not just because of the ADMIN logo you have under your avatar.

 

If some of IV's characters are to make cameos or bigger appearances in GTA V, I'd say Elizabeta could well be one of those.

Nice one

[Typhus]

It may not have anything to do with V but thanks for sharing this. I love learning about these kinds of people, even if they are descipable murderers there's something admirable about how they can climb their way to the top from a background of such poverty and squalor.

Thing is, wouldn't it be stretching credibility if Elizabeta showed up in GTA V? I was under the impression that she got sent down the river for about three hundred years? How on earth would she get out of jail?

She did. It's 1 thing to jump bail but it's another thing to already have been sentenced. Elizebeta was sentenced to 300 years meaning she has already been sent to more then likely a maximum security prison so there's no hope for her ever getting out. Hell she never would have been able to jump bail anyways seeing as for high profile targets, people they think are a flight risk, or have huge charges like her (30 cocaine distribution charges) wouldn't even get a chance to post bail. Even if she did have that oppurtunity 30 seperate cocaine charges with 10 years each would cost literally hundreds of thousands and you have to put up legal money and seeing she was a drug dealer who lived in the projects with no known family, shw wouldn't have been able to post bail even if she had it since most if not all her income is from illicit activity.

This here proved she was uncapable of running a drug organization. So sloppy.

Ah, but when we meet her it's already the begining of the end. Like many criminals she began to believe her own hype and, as you said, got sloppy. There was probably a time when she was a lot more competent. But by the time of GTA IV it was almost a certainty that she was going down.

After all, she did kill two people in her own home. Killers, when they're on their way out, often become so lazy that they sh*t where they eat. Leaving a trail of breadcrumbs for any fool with a badge to follow.

But this shouldn't indicate that Elizabeta was always an idiot.

[ZayDaGawd]

It may not have anything to do with V but thanks for sharing this. I love learning about these kinds of people, even if they are descipable murderers there's something admirable about how they can climb their way to the top from a background of such poverty and squalor.

Thing is, wouldn't it be stretching credibility if Elizabeta showed up in GTA V? I was under the impression that she got sent down the river for about three hundred years? How on earth would she get out of jail?

She did. It's 1 thing to jump bail but it's another thing to already have been sentenced. Elizebeta was sentenced to 300 years meaning she has already been sent to more then likely a maximum security prison so there's no hope for her ever getting out. Hell she never would have been able to jump bail anyways seeing as for high profile targets, people they think are a flight risk, or have huge charges like her (30 cocaine distribution charges) wouldn't even get a chance to post bail. Even if she did have that oppurtunity 30 seperate cocaine charges with 10 years each would cost literally hundreds of thousands and you have to put up legal money and seeing she was a drug dealer who lived in the projects with no known family, shw wouldn't have been able to post bail even if she had it since most if not all her income is from illicit activity.

This here proved she was uncapable of running a drug organization. So sloppy.

Ah, but when we meet her it's already the begining of the end. Like many criminals she began to believe her own hype and, as you said, got sloppy. There was probably a time when she was a lot more competent. But by the time of GTA IV it was almost a certainty that she was going down.

After all, she did kill two people in her own home. Killers, when they're on their way out, often become so lazy that they sh*t where they eat. Leaving a trail of breadcrumbs for any fool with a badge to follow.

But this shouldn't indicate that Elizabeta was always an idiot.

fair enough cuz