U.S may goto war with Iran

[gtaivpc]

 

now i dont got anything against amerika, but i hate that they think the world belongs to them

As do I.

 

Iran will also kick yanky butt also.

the thing I hate the most about america and its citizens in general, is that they're like

"Hey god bless you and thank you so much for protecting us againist the terrorists" to soldiers. I mean, SERIOUSLY?

[Tyler]

Okay, f*ck this! I have noticed with the spanning years of my life, that America my new home, has been seriously confused about wars. Not to say the country it fights with, this is of course fine with me. But, I cannot stan how America wishes to act-like they care about civilians. This war, if it were to happen could possibly the start of America's new Guerrilla, based army fighting style.

 

No more helping the enemies, civilans

No more non-devastating weapons

No more weak-minded Americans

 

 

Nationalism in America is something that hasn't existed everywhere since 1891! If America were to invade, do it with pride and force. Stop being p*ssies about it and f*ck them up!

 

That's all I can think of for now...

[Ryan]

This is one thing I never understood.

 

How come all these countries like the US, UK, Russia, France, and China are allowed to have nuclear weapons/weapons of mass destruction, yet the moment any other country tries to pursue the technology, the US has a sh*t fit, and tries to talk them out of it, and invades them if need be.

[Spinach]

I'm thankful Unoriginal44 isn't in any position of power. Do you honestly think killing civilians will solve anything?

Edited March 16, 2010 by Spinach

[Carnage1120]

This is one thing I never understood.

 

How come all these countries like the US, UK, Russia, France, and China are allowed to have nuclear weapons/weapons of mass destruction, yet the moment any other country tries to pursue the technology, the US has a sh*t fit, and tries to talk them out of it, and invades them if need be.

You and your 5 friends own guns, Your nephew see's it, he likes it and obtains his own gun.

What do you do? Let him have it and potentially hurt others or themselves.

Or do you take it away?

 

 

The way the US operates though is different.

 

He beats the **** out of his nephew until he gives up.

[Ryan]

This is one thing I never understood.

 

How come all these countries like the US, UK, Russia, France, and China are allowed to have nuclear weapons/weapons of mass destruction, yet the moment any other country tries to pursue the technology, the US has a sh*t fit, and tries to talk them out of it, and invades them if need be.

You and your 5 friends own guns, Your nephew see's it, he likes it and obtains his own gun.

What do you do? Let him have it and potentially hurt others or themselves.

Or do you take it away?

 

 

The way the US operates though is different.

 

He beats the **** out of his nephew until he gives up.

I see what you mean, and I understand that, but I guess what I'm getting at is this; Who the f*ck is the US to tell another country they can't have this or that?

[Guns N R0se]

This is one thing I never understood.

 

How come all these countries like the US, UK, Russia, France, and China are allowed to have nuclear weapons/weapons of mass destruction, yet the moment any other country tries to pursue the technology, the US has a sh*t fit, and tries to talk them out of it, and invades them if need be.

You and your 5 friends own guns, Your nephew see's it, he likes it and obtains his own gun.

What do you do? Let him have it and potentially hurt others or themselves.

Or do you take it away?

 

 

The way the US operates though is different.

 

He beats the **** out of his nephew until he gives up.

I see what you mean, and I understand that, but I guess what I'm getting at is this; Who the f*ck is the US to tell another country they can't have this or that?

It's much like Imperial Britian imo. The US (and the other major world powers) see themselves as "big brothers" to the rest of the world, and only they are "developed" enough to deal with the responsibility of nuclear weapons.

 

IMO, in a perfect world, everyone would get rid of their nuclear weapons, nothing good can come out of them honestly.

[ghost of delete key]

 

the thing I hate the most about america and its citizens in general, is that they're like

"Hey god bless you and thank you so much for protecting us againist the terrorists" to soldiers. I mean, SERIOUSLY?

Shows what you know, but whatever.

When a job has to be done, someone has to go and do it.

If it doesn't get done, well then, what?

 

We get another 9/11 every other week for the rest of forever?

Until there are no more buildings left taller than a chicken coop?

 

So why not go ask someone who played in the game, instead of demeaning a nation of people for being grateful that someone volunteered to roll up their sleeves, hold their nose, and clean out the sh*tter.

 

BTW, you're talking to one of those "plumbers"...

 

 

That's all I can think of for now...

Jeez, don't hurt yourself...

 

@ Carnage: Whatever it takes, man, whatever it takes.

 

But you all seriously suffer from propaganda poisoning.

You all sound like a bunch of innocent, ignorant Hitler Youth pointing and commenting at the conveniently placed ugly poster of "Der Jude".

"Kriegsanstifter - Kriegsverlängerer"

Tsk, tsk.

 

Who taught you this stuff?

 

And for those within the borders,

...who taught you this stuff?

[Typhus]

by removing their religion you are removing the lunatic fringe who will continue to be elevated to power.

Nope. This is not a war against a religion. It is a war against individuals with a lunatic ideology.

You wouldn't recommend eliminating Christianity just because some backwards Klansmen perverted the Cross and claimed religious Righteousness as their moral shield over their agenda of racism and genocide...

it's the same exact thing. Only the names are different.

We need to use what weapons we can. Think about it, why are so many people Atheists in England and America? Because it lets them live their lives without fear of an omnipotent father figure. Instead relying on base human dignity to make the right or wrong choice.

To people living under a theocratic dictatorship this could be a revelation.

How many of them just think, privately of course, what most of you think?

'Religion is stupid. There is no God. I want no part of it.'

These voices will eventually be heard, and when they are we should do our best to magnify them. No, it's not a war against religion, but by attacking religion we are striking at the heart of the beast. Slowly robbing them of everything they hold dear. Questioning their intelligence, their competence and their right to rule in the name of something most people view as a lie.

Basically, you've got to hit them where it hurts, go for the jugular. It just so happens that their jugular goes by the name of Allah.

If my enemies were Christians I would propose the exact same thing. Because in war you must be amoral and set aside your qualms.

It's all for the greater good, after all.

[Effy in Chains]

If this war happens, I bloody hope the UK doesn't play the "we'll be your little bitch and join in, even though you don't actually need our help" card, adding to our debt mountain even further.

However I just know we'd be the first to join the fight.

[Typhus]

If this war happens, I bloody hope the UK doesn't play the "we'll be your little bitch and join in, even though you don't actually need our help" card, adding to our debt mountain even further.

However I just know we'd be the first to join the fight.

I doubt it. I think the decision to invade Iraq and Afghanistan had less to do with any kind of subservient relationship and more to do with the personal relationship of Bush and Blair. I think it was a real display of the errors that occur when one lets friendship get in the way of common sense.

Perhaps it's a strange example, but Blair's actions reminded me of Mussolini entering World War 2 just because his buddy Adolf was doing it. And like Il Duce, the British public never forgave or forgot what New Labour did. David Cameron, whilst not perfect, will not make those same mistakes. So an invasion of Iran will most likely not involve British troops.

[Robinski]

A war in/against Iran is possibly the worst course of action anyone could take at the moment. With Iraq and Afghanistan, they were countries being ruled by dictatorships (or some form of oppression at least) whereas Iran is different. Iran is a country that is so much more ready for a democratic and fair government than the previously mentioned two. It's hardly a Western democracy but it's a hell of a lot closer than Iraq and Afghanistan, in the simple fact that they are capable of carrying elections (i.e. getting people to polling stations, sorting out the votes etc.), even if they are currently rigged, the infrastructure is there. Sure, at the moment it's just really a façade but it's there and all that's needed is to get rid of those bad apples in seats of power and replace them with more suitable individuals. It's apparent that it's what the people want as well, just look at the scale of the unrest during the last (botched) elections.

 

Also, I'm tempted to agree with Typhus' views on the religion aspect of it all but not really the methods. Although, from my impression it's less of an issue in Iran anyway. Personally I think as a species we've transcended the need for religion altogether, but you can't just go around trying to tell people their god isn't real, it's just rude and immoral to impose your beliefs like that.

[D- Ice]

Why can't the US just back off from attacking countries in the Middle East?

Besides, Iran isn't like Iraq or Afghanistan.

How is it any different from Iraq and Afghanistan?

Better organised army etc... sure thing.

 

And the US is only attacking one country in the Middle-East - Afghanistan is firmly in Central/South Asia, but I get what you mean. And no, the US isn't just attacking countries because they are bored, they are doing it for a very good reason - to remove crazy oppressive regimes and herald in a pro-Western one.

 

Iran's regime is like that, but they are also greatly interfering in Iraq and Afghanistan. They dirty islamist Ayatollahs are hampering US effeorts for peace by creating mass anarchy via terrorism that's killing their soldiers as well as countless civilians. I actually think it is vital the US intervenes somehow with Iran and the trouble they're causing for the sake of ending terrorism and corruption in Iraq/Afghanistan at the very least, though direct war is not the only option.

 

They can help the Green Revolutionaries fight the Ayatollahs, keeping them preoccupied and out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and hopefully eventually overthrow them. Besides, don't you guys have that cultural festival of jumping over bonfires coming up? The Ayatollahs are banning it this year as Un-Islamic and not founded on bloodshed and Terrorism, hopefully something will go down then.

 

Otherwise Obama's weak government will further propogate the cycle of unfinished and half-assed US intervention that leaves nothing but massacres and bloodshed, which has made so many hate the US and created so much enemies. If you're gonna invade Iraq, turn it upside down and start building democracy, at least finish the bloody jobs rather than leaving the people to fend for themselves from a much worst Islamic dictatorship.

 

[Typhus]

Also, I'm tempted to agree with Typhus' views on the religion aspect of it all but not really the methods. Although, from my impression it's less of an issue in Iran anyway. Personally I think as a species we've transcended the need for religion altogether, but you can't just go around trying to tell people their god isn't real, it's just rude and immoral to impose your beliefs like that.

I agree, I am a Christian after all.

But in some countries I feel that religion needs to be taken out of the equation completely. Because they have shown an unwillingness to move with the times at all.

Ideally, we could just decapitate the leadership, the real hard-cases, and do business with what remained. But the problem with assassination is that it would have American fingerprints all over it. There's no point in toppling one regime that's bitter to the West if all the people still fundementally view you as underhanded murderers.

So it's better to encourage the Iranian people to act through subtle manipulation and propaganda, as Otter said.

[Mad Tony]

now i dont got anything against amerika, but i hate that they think the world belongs to them

As do I.

 

Iran will also kick yanky butt also.

the thing I hate the most about america and its citizens in general, is that they're like

"Hey god bless you and thank you so much for protecting us againist the terrorists" to soldiers. I mean, SERIOUSLY?

Generalizing much?

 

Nothing wrong with respecting your country's armed forces though.

 

Now I could go on and generalize Greece what with all the recent developments, but I wont because I would just be stooping down to your level and they'd be false anyway.

 

Grow the f*ck up.

[D- Ice]

 

Also, I'm tempted to agree with Typhus' views on the religion aspect of it all but not really the methods. Although, from my impression it's less of an issue in Iran anyway. Personally I think as a species we've transcended the need for religion altogether, but you can't just go around trying to tell people their god isn't real, it's just rude and immoral to impose your beliefs like that.

I agree, I am a Christian after all.

But in some countries I feel that religion needs to be taken out of the equation completely. Because they have shown an unwillingness to move with the times at all.

Ideally, we could just decapitate the leadership, the real hard-cases, and do business with what remained. But the problem with assassination is that it would have American fingerprints all over it. There's no point in toppling one regime that's bitter to the West if all the people still fundementally view you as underhanded murderers.

So it's better to encourage the Iranian people to act through subtle manipulation and propaganda, as Otter said.

QTF there Typhus, with all the often intriguingly wierd and highly opinionated stuff you post, this I must completely agree with.

 

Besides, Islam is the very weapon the leaders there are using to both suppress their own people and manipulate, interfere and destabilise Iraq, Lebanon, Yemen and generally the whole Middle-East in an attempt to draw countries away from the Wests's sphere of influence and into Tehran's.

 

Best thing is to take that away from them, and ike with any revolution, it must be done by the people if it's gonna have any effect. There is already loads of discontent in Iran we can nicely use, especially since their traditional Persian fire-leaping festival is gonna be banned this year as being pagan.

 

And, beng an athiest myself, I agree that all religion has no place in modern society - especially the disgustingly oppressive and barbaric brands of Islam being pushed by Iran, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, and now very worryingly being spread to other countries too.

[Jay]

 

Who the f*ck is the US to tell another country they can't have this or that?

There's a theory to that from Kenneth Waltz. Nuclear powers of the world tend to come in twos. US with the USSR, India with Pakistan, etc. As long as they are equal and opposite, mutually assured destruction is on the cards. Furthermore, the larger the powers are, the more likely they are to keep their sh*t locked down.

 

The main reason why players like the US try to limit proliferation of nuclear weapons is the notion of the 'nth nation', the state which gets nuclear weapons and does not have an equal and opposite. A state with no real repercussions from using them. Or a state that would be likely to not lock their sh*t down, or be unstable enough to be susceptible to terrorists and insubordination. (a North Korea, or something like that)

 

I'm not necessarily saying that Iran is like this, but it's just a rationale that I've found quite reasonable.

[Mario]

I have a cousin in the U.S. Air Force, and one of my better friends is in the Army working intelligence in Iraq. They both tell me this has been in the works for some time now, and that war with Iran is a lot closer to reality than us civilians realize.

 

I'm joining either the Army or the Navy in the coming months, so I am somewhat interested in getting more in-house information eventually. I would agree with war with Iran, way moreso than the one with Iraq.

[sofa_king]

 

I'm joining either the Army or the Navy in the coming months.

Good for you Mario. Let us know what happens with that.

 

Love the troops & our brave allies overseas

 

[stinomontana]

i wanted to join the army to a year ago

but i dint pass the medical test

wich actualy dint suprise me

 

[Oxidizer]

 

wich actualy dint suprise me

Nor me, if you had to type it. BWAHAHAHAHA!

 

I mean... I like your grammar.

[Black-hawk]

 

the thing I hate the most about america and its citizens in general, is that they're like

"Hey god bless you and thank you so much for protecting us againist the terrorists" to soldiers. I mean, SERIOUSLY?

Shows what you know, but whatever.

When a job has to be done, someone has to go and do it.

If it doesn't get done, well then, what?

 

We get another 9/11 every other week for the rest of forever?

Until there are no more buildings left taller than a chicken coop?

Oh hell yeah bro. Just look at Canada and the EU being bombarded by 'dem ragheads everyday.

Edited March 17, 2010 by Black-hawk

[Otter]

the thing I hate the most about america and its citizens in general, is that they're like

"Hey god bless you and thank you so much for protecting us againist the terrorists" to soldiers. I mean, SERIOUSLY?

Shows what you know, but whatever.

When a job has to be done, someone has to go and do it.

If it doesn't get done, well then, what?

 

We get another 9/11 every other week for the rest of forever?

Until there are no more buildings left taller than a chicken coop?

Oh hell yeah bro. Just look at Canada and the EU being bombarded by 'dem ragheads everyday.

Yes, it's absurd. I'd love to go out to the movies some time, but all these airplanes crashing into buildings and suicide bombers on the streets of Vancouver can really put a crimp your evening!

[jimmy.]

 

the thing I hate the most about america and its citizens in general, is that they're like

"Hey god bless you and thank you so much for protecting us againist the terrorists" to soldiers. I mean, SERIOUSLY?

Shows what you know, but whatever.

When a job has to be done, someone has to go and do it.

If it doesn't get done, well then, what?

 

We get another 9/11 every other week for the rest of forever?

Until there are no more buildings left taller than a chicken coop?

Oh hell yeah bro. Just look at Canada and the EU being bombarded by 'dem ragheads everyday.

Yes, it's absurd. I'd love to go out to the movies some time, but all these airplanes crashing into buildings and suicide bombers on the streets of Vancouver can really put a crimp your evening!

Of course it's not like that yet, genius. First it starts with multiculturalism and tolerance and celebration of madrassas, sharia law, minarets popping up, Muslim prayer in school, anti-Americanism being taught in school. That is how you corrupt a society from within and create thousands of radicalized little Achmeds whose only MO is jihad and violence against women and civilians and a return to barbarism. What sane nation that worships the U.S. Constitution, which is the greatest document of freedom ever written, would bring in people who worship a book that tells them the exact opposite. Make no mistake about it, the Quran is not a document of freedom. The Quran is a document of slavery and chattel. It teaches you that you are a slave. I don't think that faith offers the kind of forgiveness and redemption that is offered by the Christian faith. So my message to Muslims would be, "Turn to your faith -- turn to the Christian faith, and you can make a total recovery and be a great example to the world.

Edited March 17, 2010 by jimmy.

[Jesus'En'Hitler420]

the thing I hate the most about america and its citizens in general, is that they're like

"Hey god bless you and thank you so much for protecting us againist the terrorists" to soldiers. I mean, SERIOUSLY?

Shows what you know, but whatever.

When a job has to be done, someone has to go and do it.

If it doesn't get done, well then, what?

 

We get another 9/11 every other week for the rest of forever?

Until there are no more buildings left taller than a chicken coop?

Oh hell yeah bro. Just look at Canada and the EU being bombarded by 'dem ragheads everyday.

What about that train attack in Spain that got blown to smitherines in 2004? You know, the one that caused over 2,000 casualties?

 

Or the British bus bombings?

 

Quite easy to write off such incidents when they don't affect you directly. I'd sure would like to hear you be so sarcastic if someone you knew got blown up just for boarding a train.

[LordDastardly]

 

The Quran is a document of slavery and chattel. It teaches you that you are a slave. The Bible has a unique message of forgiveness that the Quran does not. Muslims need the kind of forgiveness and redemption that only faith in God offers.

I am an athiest, however I have a good knowledge of the religions and from that I know that, in fact, the Bible is alot more violent then the Qu'ran which when in the hands of good Muslims is very peaceful - in fact, the Qu'ran forbids the exact thing the fundamentalist terrorists are doing.

 

If you were to interpret the Bible literally the world would be strewn with the bodies of non-Christians, so called 'Heathens' once again: Were the Crusades, many years of conquering, pillaging and murdering led by Christians? I think you'll find they were.

 

On the other hand, Muslims are more the persecuted than the persecutors. You may be asking why we don't have terrorist Christians - it is because the countries, or more generally, Continents, which have the most Christian percentage, such as the U.S.A, Europe are much richer and these places are, while I hate to say it, in some ways more civilized, (to a certain degree).

 

 

Back to the topic at hand, America seems to have their hands in too many people's pies. They may be a bully, but unfortunately for the rest of the world, they are the biggest, richest and most powerful bully. He isn't just a playground bully beating up the smaller kids, he's the playground bully who beats up anyone and everyone and also happens to be blackmailing the teachers so that nothing is done about it.

 

But to be perfectly honest, as long as America isn't turned into a dictatorship lead by a power-hungry maniac, (well, no more than the usual), I am perfectly fine with America being the bully. You want to invade Iran? Go for it, as long as Gorden Brown keeps us British out of it.

 

 

What about that train attack in Spain that got blown to smitherines in 2004? You know, the one that caused over 2,000 casualties?

 

Or the British bus bombings?

 

Quite easy to write off such incidents when they don't affect you directly. I'd sure would like to hear you be so sarcastic if someone you knew got blown up just for boarding a train.

 

It isn't quite the same level as 11/9... (or 9/11 for you Americans).

[jimmy.]

 

Quite easy to write off such incidents when they don't affect you directly. I'd sure would like to hear you be so sarcastic if someone you knew got blown up just for boarding a train.

Still, it makes it hard to single out a whole religion that 1/5 people belong to (1.7 billion). Christians and Jews perpetrate a lot of violence, in addition to Muslims.

 

My brother worked in the WTC at the time and a friend whose father died in the WTC. A lot of people from my town and school I was attending at the time died there, and yet I don't want to take over half the world as revenge over what happened. There doesn't really seem to me to be a groupthink among people who were immediately effected by terrorist attacks in the west as you seem to claim. Most people in New York City that you talk to don't seem as rabidly militaristic as the average voter even, my brother included, despite the fact that he witnessed the collapse firsthand.

Edited March 17, 2010 by jimmy.

[Jesus'En'Hitler420]

 

It isn't quite the same level as 11/9... (or 9/11 for you Americans).

 

The same level? You're seriously saying there's a difference between 2,000 and 3,000 people HURT OR KILLED?

 

I guess I can almost see it. When you manage to get more 2,500 people, then it's time for action, right?

 

 

Still, it makes it hard to single out a whole religion that 1/5 people belong to (1.7 billion). Christians and Jews perpetrate a lot of violence, in addition to Muslims.

 

My brother worked in the WTC at the time and a friend whose father died in the WTC. A lot of people from my town and school I was attending at the time died there, and yet I don't want to take over half the world as revenge over what happened. There doesn't really seem to me to be a groupthink among people who were immediately effected by terrorist attacks in the west as you seem to claim. Most people in New York City that you talk to don't seem as rabidly militaristic as the average voter even, my brother included, despite the fact that he witnessed the collapse firsthand.

 

I thought we were going after a certain sect of religion, or maybe that's just silly old me believeing all those government propaganda campaigns? Christians and Jews perpetrate violence aswell, yes, in areas where religions have been battling in war for decades and if not centuries. Do you see a "civilized" Jew/Christian that's a citizen of Canada flying to Afghanistan just to commandeer a bus full of Muslims and drive them all off a cliff?

 

I already know your thoughts on nation building and I'm sure you know a few of mine. Lets just thank Woodrow Wilson for the good time's rolling

Edited March 17, 2010 by Jesus'En'Hitler420

[Otter]

Jimmy, 'genius,' old buddy old pal, you lost me. I honestly don't know what you're trying to say, but I think you missed the point my sarcasm was intended to drive home - that terror is a minimal threat (roughly 5 times more people died as a direct result of drunk driving in 2001 than the 9/11 death toll) that won't necessarily increase with apathy. In fact, blowing up homes, families, and arming other factions statistically leads to more terrorism, more death vendettas, and more groups willing to join Uncle Bin Laden's cause.

 

I mean, really, who armed the Taliban in the first place, then left them to rot?

 

Make no mistake, much of what we know as terrorism is personally and politically motivated - religion is simply an easy way to manipulate the impressionable to carry out your plans.

 

Furthermore, to take this back to Iran (we're talking about Iran, remember?) - simply blowing the sh*t out of them will lead to the exact same problem. A protracted occupation. Civil unrest. IEDs. The seeds of terrorists with vendettas.

 

To argue that there hasn't been another 9/11 since the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq is to argue that Haley's Comet hasn't shown up since reality TV was invented. Especially considering that we still haven't caught the mastermind behind the attack.

 

So to justify Iran as some sort of terrorism repellant is a flawed argument and a terrible reason to go to war. To oust Amenidinjad from power so that he can't build nuclear weapons and blow up people, however, is a perfectly legitimate reason. It just has to be handled far better than Iraq.

[Mad Tony]

Back to the topic at hand, America seems to have their hands in too many people's pies. They may be a bully, but unfortunately for the rest of the world, they are the biggest, richest and most powerful bully. He isn't just a playground bully beating up the smaller kids, he's the playground bully who beats up anyone and everyone and also happens to be blackmailing the teachers so that nothing is done about it.

 

He also gives lots of the other kids money and stops other kids from beating the crap out of each other from time to time. Strange bully.

 

Oh and Jimmy, you seriously need to stop writing in sarcasm or put a note under your signature saying "most of my posts are a parody of a stereotypical American right-wing extremist".