This is an OUTRAGE!

[ScrewedYou]

Come on, seriously?

 

http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged...-market/1390305

 

I mean stingy bastards, stingy stingy a-holes. Way to alienate the people that keep you in business. I have bought many a used game, especially when times were tight. I don't see automakers getting pissed over people selling their cars. I don't see tool companies getting mad when a contractor sells his old tools. I don't see the companies doing this kind of stuff to people that sell their old TV's and DVD players, etc. Freaking arrogant a-hole video game makers.

[Chinatown Wars]

Come on, seriously?

 

http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged...-market/1390305

 

I mean stingy bastards, stingy stingy a-holes. Way to alienate the people that keep you in business. I have bought many a used game, especially when times were tight. I don't see automakers getting pissed over people selling their cars. I don't see tool companies getting mad when a contractor sells his old tools. I don't see the companies doing this kind of stuff to people that sell their old TV's and DVD players, etc. Freaking arrogant a-hole video game makers.

Well all game makers are greedy bastards besides R*

Get used to it

[Mr.Mister]

You kidding me?! I only buy used games now anyways (unless i get it on release day)

 

Way to go assholes

Already rich companies just love f*cking us over

[Oogie]

So even when you go ahead and buy games instead of pirating them, it's still not good enough?

All that bullsh*t is just slowly driving me away from videogames

[ptiko]

 

Well all game makers are greedy bastards besides R*

I hate to burst you bubble, but so are rockstar

 

I stopped buying second hand games years ago

[macorules94]

I only buy used games if its an old game that they don't have new copies for.

[Pat]

Well all game makers are greedy bastards

It's called being a business. They're here to make money, not be your friends.

 

Honestly it doesn't surprise me.

[mr_bungle]

Well all game makers are greedy bastards besides R*

 

All means all. They are all in it for the money. Even Rockstar.

[Blizzard14]

Aint that gay.

Meh, don't bother me THAT much, I download all my games! from steam

[Mario]

Heh, it's funny because all they are doing is significantly fueling piracy..

[MMFF]

I rarely buy used games, but that just sucks. Seems kind of unfair. Once you buy the game, it should be your to do whatever you want with. Even if that means sell it.

[Ronnyboy]

So wait, first Ubisoft f*cks over gamers, now everyone is f*cking over the best part of games? Jesus, what's next, reading your cookies to see if you have been to PirateBay, and if you have you can't install? Or maybe restricted resales on Ebay? God damn.

 

I understand that companies want some of this money, but are they really getting that much? I mean you sell a game for 60 bucks, and you sell 3 million copies, that's a lot of money. Lets say you have the game for a year, then you sell it to Game Stop for $20. They sell it for $30. The main video game companies make the most money off of this, and if demand is still there, they will still make the game right? Greedy bastards, let us enjoy our time, and our purchasing rights. I have bought many games second hand because it's cheaper, easier, and I wanna own the game longer then renting it, is that too much to ask?

 

f*ck this, I'm off to Pirate Bay.

[deathdealer]

If there's one thing I've learned in economics then that is that the business owners don't love the customer they love the customer's money.

 

however, they can't completly stop second hand buying of games.

[Absurdity]

Video games are defined as "intellectual property". It's not the same as owning a piece of land, a car or a tool set where your rights of ownership would be far more tangible. With intellectual property you are, more or less, just a licensee of what is owned by another. The rules are that way as to protect the 'creators', so that their rights of ownership aren't exploited.

 

The second hand market pretty much sh*ts all over this, and at the size it is now, its getting a bit of a piss take really. I don't welcome some of the measures being taken, but I applaud publishers for taking this step. Whether or not it pushes more thieves to pirate their games instead of buying over the counter is hardly much of a concern. Seeing as they wouldn't have received a penny if they had bought it second hand anyway.

Edited March 13, 2010 by Rusty Balls

[Snake Without a Tongue]

I never buy used games, sometimes trade in old ones, but yeah, this sucks. So far R* hasn't added any of the 'you gotta register this once and for all' gyps to their games. But as the digital era takes over it's only a matter of time.

 

Greed is going to plateau the gaming industry just like the technology limitations did back in the 80s.

[SeraphimSoldier]

f*ckin' stupid.

[Robinski]

Seriously man, WTF is this, a business protecting its interests through a device that (believe it or not) still allows for normal trade to continue at a small penalty? I can't believe those money grabbing bastards trying to make a quick buck out of the entertainment industry, when did we lose our morals?

 

C'mon guys this is a fair strategy. Personally I don't see it as punishing those who buy second hand, but rather a little bonus for those of us who did. If you've played Mass Effect 2, with the Cerberus code, you'll know that if push came to shove you wouldn't be missing out on that much content by buying second hand. The way it exists on ME2 is good, essentially you're getting some DLC for free, which (depending on pricing) could make up for the extra cash you spent on the new copy of the game.

 

A lot of you guys just sound outraged that a business is protecting its own interests, which is just naive. If people were undercutting your industry you would try to minimise the impact, don't even try to argue this point because you would. I didn't think I'd ever say it, but I think that EA handled the charging/not-charging for the DLC so far on ME2 quite fairly, adding up all the stuff we've got for free so far would easily go for more than 1500MSP on other games. As long as they don't go batsh*t insane with this I think it's an acceptable measure.

 

It may just be the hangover and sleep deprivation, a lot of you are just being whiney.

 

PS Rockstar are corporate whores just like the rest of them

[gta_king]

I understand that companies want some of this money, but are they really getting that much? I mean you sell a game for 60 bucks, and you sell 3 million copies, that's a lot of money.

It is a lot of money, it's just a shame a lot of Game Developers/Publishers aren't seeing that sort of sales/money. There are quite a number of games who will hit the million mark but there are also a hell of a lot which won't and even those that do won't cover the development costs of the game. It now costs a hell of a lot to create a game and Publishers/Developers do need to recover that money if you want them to continue making games.

 

It's down to the Publisher/Developer to get this sort of thing right, there has been a few items cited here, one that caught my eye was the SOCOM Example in which you have to pay an extra $20 on top of the Used Price for the game. This is an example which I feel is actually a bit unfair on the consumer, think about this, and I'll be using UK prices so I might be wrong. A brand new PSP game costs around £25, now in most shops which sell used games the used price for this keeping in mind it's brand new will be about £20 meaning there is a £5 difference to the consumer here. Now can the consumer really be expected to pay extra on top of that taking the actual price for full enjoyment of the game well beyond that of what a brand new copy would cost? Yeah fair enough Sony didn't actually make any money from the 'Used Game' sale, but to expect the person to pay all that just to get access to a feature that's actually promised with the game seems a tad unfair.

 

However the next example which got me was Mass Effect 2, which if you buy brand new you get the almighty Cerberus Code which gives you access to loads of free downloadable content, however buy it used and you have to pay the fee. Now this to me personally, is a fairer example because the Cerberus Network isn't a promised feature of the game, it's extra content. You buy ME2 used and you still have a full game and can do everything in it as you wish but if you want those extras you'll have to pay a one off fee and I'm sure that for that content most people would be willing to pay that one off fee anyway.

 

So like I said they need to research into it a bit, find out what your consumer is and isn't willing to do. It's the same story with DRM it's understandable why it's there but don't impose silly restrictions that serve to annoy the consumer as opposed to halting the problem.

 

[epoxi]

I don't mind, as long as R* doesn't pull a stunt like this: GTA is one of the only video games I play.

 

I think we made a huge mistake by buying XBOX just because they were cheaper, if we had bought PS3s, Microsoft's business model (i.e. paying for online) wouldn't have worked, they'd have to make Live free to sell their console and no one would have realised how much gamers are prepared to get ripped off.

 

I admit I'm a contributor to this: I bought an XBOX for BOGT because it was "exclusive, " now I realise that word doesn't mean anything and I made a mistake.

 

Damn hindsight.

[OysterBarron]

the one thing i will add to this conversation is 2 years ago i was without a job and rellied on being able to trade my old games in so i could purchase the new titles coming out, im pretty sure im not the only one in this situation people at school and so on.

 

My point being is that in the removal of the pre-owned market that will in turn affect the first day sales of games, and also seriously reduce the ammount of people that come across these companys games on the pre-owned shelf who have never played those games before and become long time fans of companys they never would have known existed before.

 

[Rebel]

Can't say I'm surprised about this. Sure its a right pain in the ass if you don't have enough money for a brand new copy, and who can say no to a bargain when its still good as new? I think if you ever want to buy a second hand game after this is more popular with developers you'll just have to double check you won't get f*cked over when you do buy it. Still, I really hope they don't implement it into every game in the future, now that would suck.

[Seddo]

I've been reading about EA's recent 'project 10 dollar' where they're putting 1 time code usage that's been in Dragon's Age, Mass Effect and now Bad Company 2.

 

Have you seen the prices of pre-owned games in Game and Gamestation, they still charge over 30 quid for the top games, you can find brand new at a cheaper rates. If you're waiting for a game to get cheaper at second hand then it's worth just looking online for bargains, i bought Mass Effect for £28 and Bioshock for £25 whilst the pre-owned games are still retailing in the 30's.

 

But it is a joke if they're going to force you to pay for the online if you did buy it pre-owned, that's ridiculous.

[macorules94]

Man, a brand new copy of Red Faction: Guerilla is like, $98 in most stores. And I bought it for $19 preowned in GAME. I buy brand new games new, but old games, I get it preowned.

[gta_king]

I don't mind, as long as R* doesn't pull a stunt like this: GTA is one of the only video games I play.

 

I think we made a huge mistake by buying XBOX just because they were cheaper, if we had bought PS3s, Microsoft's business model (i.e. paying for online) wouldn't have worked, they'd have to make Live free to sell their console and no one would have realised how much gamers are prepared to get ripped off.

 

I admit I'm a contributor to this: I bought an XBOX for BOGT because it was "exclusive, " now I realise that word doesn't mean anything and I made a mistake.

 

Damn hindsight.

It's nothing to do with buying 'Microsoft' they were all going to do down this route anyway.

[Punk-in-Drublic]

I bought Skate 2 second hand from GAME and I played it for 20 minuites before getting the "disc unreadable" sh*t.

[RomanViking]

Couldn't the publishers, like, sell games brand new, but for cheaper? I mean, they produce these plastic disks and cases and manuals on a massive scale --- I imagine that by now most of it is automated, and it's probably very cheap to make each game.

 

Like it costs 2 dollars to manufacture each copy of Modern Warfare 2, but then each game is sold for 60 dollars each...

 

So couldn't they theoretically lower the cost of new games to like, 30 dollars, and therefore encourage more people to buy it new?

 

 

I dunno what I'm talking about really... I'm trying to picture the situation from their point of view. Maybe they are losing huge amounts of money.. Or maybe they're just greedy pieces of sh*t that really are just trying to raise profits even more!

 

Probably the same people that outsource thousands of jobs to raise their personal profits EVEN MORE.

 

 

And it's been said a million times already, but restrictive DRM or whatever on PC games will only make the gamers dislike your company, and encourage more people to pirate. It's like both sides of the issue are being greedy dicks. Gamers pirating and the makers being greedy and/or trying to restrict pirating.

 

People will just have to rejoice and a miracle of peace and morality will have to happen. But that has NEVER EVER HAPPENED on the scale needed. Wars are inevitable. And give anyone enough power or money and THEY WILL abuse it.

 

and thanx for reading my rant

[LordDastardly]

 

Couldn't the publishers, like, sell games brand new, but for cheaper? I mean, they produce these plastic disks and cases and manuals on a massive scale --- I imagine that by now most of it is automated, and it's probably very cheap to make each game.

 

Like it costs 2 dollars to manufacture each copy of Modern Warfare 2, but then each game is sold for 60 dollars each...

 

So couldn't they theoretically lower the cost of new games to like, 30 dollars, and therefore encourage more people to buy it new?

And pay their staff a £20'000 ($30'000 approx.) salary a year?

 

If they don't pay the staff there aren't going to be any games to buy. However, Valve understand that selling lots of games cheaper rakes in more money than a few at high prices. They have a different approach to the rest of the market and it seems to be working well for them so why can't more companies do that - CoD would have had one extra sale on release day if it was cheaper but instead it was stupidly overpriced and I still haven't got around to buying it!

[MMFF]

So what happens when a household has multiple consoles? I have a PS3 and my girlfriend has a PS3, and when a game is single player only, like Heavy Rain or Assassins Creed 2, we buy one copy and share it. So this will soon be impossible or cost extra to do this? That is bullsh*t!

[epoxi]

I think we made a huge mistake by buying XBOX just because they were cheaper, if we had bought PS3s, Microsoft's business model (i.e. paying for online) wouldn't have worked, they'd have to make Live free to sell their console and no one would have realised how much gamers are prepared to get ripped off.

It's nothing to do with buying 'Microsoft' they were all going to do down this route anyway.

My point is that Microsoft did it first, and got it to work. If they didn't have Microsoft's lead to follow, they'd be hesitant to add this 'protection' for fear of scaring off buyers...but when observing XBOX Live they saw how much they could get away with.

 

I mean, people who have paid for an XBOX, paid for the game, paid for an internet connection and line rental, are still prepared to sign up for an extra service and pay more. That's about as much reassurance as you need.

[Jesus'En'Hitler420]

Ah, the practice of business, and how amazing it is that no one here still seems to get it.