The Outlaw Biker Theme

[Not Volt Krueger]

When I heard TlaD was coming, it felt like a dream come true. I got hyped up when there was interaction between protag and biker in VC, and from then on anytime the GTA's involved bikers I just knew Rockstar had them on their mind. And given that they had made other crime syndicate themed GTA's, I saw no reason bikers wouldn't get their turn eventually too. A biker GTA is exactly what i had pictured in the future, the protagonist working his way up through the clubs ranks, dealing with the hazing of the prospect phase and coping with the dark times of the war periods where he has to keep on gunning while his brothers fall before him.

 

You can imagine my disappointment when I learnt that TlaD was just a DLC. I profoundly hope that Rockstar doesn't count a minor 25 mission DLC as the "use" of the biker theme. I believe the theme could make a catastrophic addition if given a full title, and I see no way how it's any less capable than other major media crime themes like Street Gangs, Mafias, or Drug Cartels.

 

Rather than spew my opinions and ideas with no logical backing, i'm going to constructively catagorize certain apects of the theme to try and convince you the reader that a biker GTA could be a great addition.

 

Idea Spawning

 

A GTA game is sort of like a stereotypical movie on the subject of crime. Rockstar has looked into different movies or people to base their game around, like Scarface for VC and Eazy E for SA, and in this sense an Outlaw Biker theme would be perfect. There are hours upon hours of biker documentaries telling different tales and different crimes from Motorcycle Club chapters spread out all across the world, each of which could individually contribute to the game.

Not only documentaries, but there's also multiple Biker movies and Shows that could be looked into for rough-draft forming of the story. Another positive aspect of the big-screen media is that most of these movies date back to the 50's/60's, meaning if they added a character personality or theme directly from a movie most of the current day GTA players wouldn't recognise it.

Then the most basic and possibly rewarding source of information would be from the bikers themselves. There's multiple 1% chapters spread all across the world, and each one probably has an interesting tale to tell. Leaders of these clubs are generally willing to cooperate with the media too, one example is how Sonny Barger (leader of the Hells Angels MC) was working with HBO on an outlaw biker TV program.

Basically as far as biker media or Idea's go, Rockstar is covered. Of course they'd add their own twists to the game, but this stuff is a start.

 

Fan Base

 

Some of you could argue that a Mobster theme would work better because it has more PR, and sales would be drawn in easier, but you might be surprised to find that the biker world and culture have just as much if not larger of a fan base. Not taking into account the millions of real bikers in the world (whether they be outlaws or just motorcycle enthusiests) that would most likely take an interest in the game, there's also shows like Sons of Anarchy that are eveloping the culture of the outlaw biker within new and uneducated people. Along SoA there's the "Wild Hogs" movie series, and the HBO biker show I mentioned earlier. As well there's a new movie coming out soon titled "Bikers VS Robots" or something along the lines.

It's clear that the outlaw culture is coming back into the central medias eye, and that's another reason why this era of time is the perfect opportunity for Rockstar to manufacture a biker GTA. Those few examples are just touching the surface though, there's much, much more to be seen in the future.

 

System

 

Another way the Biker theme would be good for GTA is that they have a solid rank system to follow. Generally how it works is you familiarize yourself with the club members, if they think you're up to it you become a Hangaround. That entitles going to club parties, brawling with them, attending runs, ect. If you prove yourself in that catagory they promote you to Prospect and give you a vest with nothing but a patch stating the territory the club owns on it, which in theory makes you a member of the club...more so like a slave though. You have to do anything they ask, you could be banging a model at 4am in the morning and if they phone you and tell you to be at the clubhouse in 5 mins, you leave. After an undetermined time of prospecting is completed you become a full patch member, which means full rights within the club. Then there's the miscellaneous patches/ranks recieved for doing various things, one example being the skull and crossbones "Respect Few, Fear None" patch, which is only for club members who have commited murder on behalf of the club. In some cases it's referred to as the "Man of War" patch as well.

Back to ranks though. One of the things that most impressed me with TlaD was Rockstars use of ranks to entitle specific duties, such as Terry (Sergeant at Arms) had a Club Gunvan and could bring you a selection of guns wherever you were. I think if Rockstar implemented these sort of features into a biker GTA, where each rank had a specific duty that could benefit the protagonist, it would be a huge success among the fans.

It also makes more sense for a crime organization like an MC to have a gun van of sorts rather than some lowly street thug like in TBOGT.

Where the poor, unconnected, unaffiliated friend of Luis got a P90 and a 200 round Assault Rifle from, i'll never know. Unrealistic at best, but at least it makes more sense if an actual organization of prowess and criminal influence has it.

 

That's all I have or am willing to do for statistical argument.

 

As far as the purpose of this thread goes. It's essentially the expression of a strong opinion I have as to what could be the next GTA, or at least a GTA at some point in time. Like I said, I hope Rockstar didn't count a DLC as the using of the biker theme.

With that, I invite you guys to give me your own opinions. Does a biker themed GTA seem appealing to you? Unappealing? Have any opinions to debate against the theme? Let it out. I'd like to hear feedback.

[DeadByDagger]

If not a full biker game, then maybe a biker expansion for the inevitable VC and SA games in the future (not saying I wan them, but when GTA fans bitch and moan about what they want, they seem to get it). If they do it that way, we get a look at biker culture in different parts of the country. I'd prefer this approach rather than a full length biker themed game.

 

Biker gangs are very tight knit communities, whereas the GTA games have always involved working for different gangs doing different kinds of jobs, which wouldn't reflect the biker culture accurately. That's why it works so well as a DLC. The main characters of the full games don't get the real biker effect since they won't pledge themselves to the MC, thus we get to be an errand boy for them, basically.

 

Like I said though, I would love to see a biker expansion for the next couple GTAs. Blazing down SA's highways in formation, or riding through the neon filled streets of VC... I would love it

[flameweilder]

The only thing I see going against this is that Grand Theft Auto is about autos, not bikes. What is the point of creating fifty different cars to drive through a city/countryside if the protagonist just uses bikes? Spawning more bikes everywhere only adds to the lack of realism, and a fictional city that's based on bikes (as an explanation for the abundance of spawning bikes) would just make the game feel arcade-ish and like Saints Row.

[cha0sbuddha]

Well even though Mitch Baker (Big Mitch Baker) is one of my favorite GTA characters I doubt that there'll be a full game based on biker characters. In R*'s opinion they more or less covered the whole biker theme in TLAD.

 

R* tends to keep their main characters unfettered. This simply has a lot to do with the fact that they like to pack in as many different criminal factions as they can in a single game to make gameplay varied. This is what they did for both Claude and Niko. Tommy Vercetti was part of the Mafia but he operated in a city without any Mafia presence. In San Andreas they had to break up CJ's gang by having Big Smoke and Ryder betray CJ then throw his brother into prison just so they could advance the story in a way that CJ wasn't tied down by his gang.

 

I tend to think that a full biker-themed game wouldn't go over so well with a number of GTA fans, especially non-white ones because many people see all Bikers as racist (Playboy X mentioned this in GTA IV). It's a well known fact that major Outlaw MC's such as the Hells Angels, Pagans, and Outlaws refuse to let anyone in who isn't white (Bandito's let in Hispanics but still refuse blacks).

[Not Volt Krueger]

 

If not a full biker game, then maybe a biker expansion for the inevitable VC and SA games in the future (not saying I wan them, but when GTA fans bitch and moan about what they want, they seem to get it). If they do it that way, we get a look at biker culture in different parts of the country. I'd prefer this approach rather than a full length biker themed game.

 

That's the problem though, I would like to see a full biker game since there's so much to work with. With all the sh*t in the past it would be impossible to mash it into a short DLC, without being a half-finished story like TlaD that is.

 

 

Biker gangs are very tight knit communities, whereas the GTA games have always involved working for different gangs doing different kinds of jobs, which wouldn't reflect the biker culture accurately. That's why it works so well as a DLC. The main characters of the full games don't get the real biker effect since they won't pledge themselves to the MC, thus we get to be an errand boy for them, basically.

 

That's absolutely correct to an extent. However if you take the Toronto chapter of the Hells Angels for example, they have 220 some odd members and nearly 300 associates. One idea I could present is the protagonist doing missions of sorts for the associates to bring in variety, then the missions sent out by the Club would be like the main storyline ones.

 

Then the story could go something like your protagonist is a respected member of a chapter that is send orders from the Mother Chapter to start a new Chapter in some area where the Club has no presence. This would open up the whole variety of doing missions to gain connections and resources, as well as recruiting members - but that would just be the rough draft idea, of course Rockstar would have all their deep story line details playing out during the basics.

But most GTA's have had affiliations that would hold them down like you suggest (VC, SA), and Rockstar worked around them or created scenarios that gave the game more room to develop.

 

 

Like I said though, I would love to see a biker expansion for the next couple GTAs. Blazing down SA's highways in formation, or riding through the neon filled streets of VC... I would love it

 

I agree with you here, VC and SA would be great places to host an MC.

 

 

The only thing I see going against this is that Grand Theft Auto is about autos, not bikes. What is the point of creating fifty different cars to drive through a city/countryside if the protagonist just uses bikes?

 

Bikers and MC's do use vehicles aside from motorcycles, so it would just be like in GTA when you're forced to use a bike (chasing pegorni's daughters bf mission for example). Definitely though I think if this game was created most of the time the player would have the option of what to drive, just like in IV. The only time I would see it not making sense is if the mission you were doing was with other bikers, going in formation to take care of club business.

Chances are the majority of missions would be from outside sources anyways, so the game could still be about cars. Personally though, I hate em. When doing chases and sh*t I much prefer a smaller scale ride so I can slip through vehicle cracks and keep my speed on, I found in a car during certain situations i'd be real stuck and have to plow through the middle of two cars, which would slow me down and occasionally stop me or send me flying through the windshield. Which in turn would make the car animations still have purpose.

 

 

Spawning more bikes everywhere only adds to the lack of realism, and a fictional city that's based on bikes (as an explanation for the abundance of spawning bikes) would just make the game feel arcade-ish and like Saints Row.

 

There could be a healthy combination of bikes and cars. In fact I found that there were too little of bikes in IV. But let's say you see more bikes in the grubby areas (like you did near the Lost clubhouse in TlaD) and more cars in the upper class areas, that would be realistic enough. Neither vehicle choice needs to cancel each other out just because of a theme.

 

 

In R*'s opinion they more or less covered the whole biker theme in TLAD.

 

Much to my disliking i've heard this said before. If not, I at least would like them to make some sort of announcement confirming that TlaD was their biker game and it won't happen again. At least then I can get my mind off it and hope other game companies are picking up on the growing biker media.

 

 

Tommy Vercetti was part of the Mafia but he operated in a city without any Mafia presence. In San Andreas they had to break up CJ's gang by having Big Smoke and Ryder betray CJ then throw his brother into prison just so they could advance the story in a way that CJ wasn't tied down by his gang.

 

Like I mentioned earlier, they could come up with a scenario like one of these for the biker game too. Or go another approach like one I suggested where your guy is in a city with no club presence trying to bring up a brand new chapter. I think it's a pretty maneuverable theme among others.

 

 

I tend to think that a full biker-themed game wouldn't go over so well with a number of GTA fans, especially non-white ones because many people see all Bikers as racist (Playboy X mentioned this in GTA IV). It's a well known fact that major Outlaw MC's such as the Hells Angels, Pagans, and Outlaws refuse to let anyone in who isn't white (Bandito's let in Hispanics but still refuse blacks).

 

Yes this could be a controversial situation, but others have played through with no upheaval from the GTA fans. Like the Mafia, they only allowed Italians and that didn't offend anybody. CJ's gang only allowed blacks (as far as i remember) and that didn't offend anybody.

I'd go as far as to guess that the majority of GTA players are white, so if anything the club only letting in whites would be the least controversial of past themes.

Many MC's don't allow blacks, but there's an equal amount of only black MC's that don't allow whites. It just seems to be the only-white ones that get attacked though, most likely those few because they're the big Four.

But in GTA it would be a completely different Club so I think the presedences anybody has against real MC's wouldn't take affect.

Edited February 1, 2010 by Not Volt Krueger

[cha0sbuddha]

Yes this could be a controversial situation, but others have played through with no upheaval from the GTA fans. Like the Mafia, they only allowed Italians and that didn't offend anybody. CJ's gang only allowed blacks (as far as i remember) and that didn't offend anybody.

I'd go as far as to guess that the majority of GTA players are white, so if anything the club only letting in whites would be the least controversial of past themes.

Many MC's don't allow blacks, but there's an equal amount of only black MC's that don't allow whites. It just seems to be the only-white ones that get attacked though, most likely those few because they're the big Four.

But in GTA it would be a completely different Club so I think the presedences anybody has against real MC's wouldn't take affect.

The situation with the Mafia is completely different. The fact that the American Mafia requires someone to be of Italian ancestry (they actually only have to be half) has more to do with a tradition that dates back to the late 19th century than it does with simple racism. The Mafia also works very closely with non-Italian criminals sometimes going so far as completely integrating their organization, such as the Chicago Outfit did with the Jewish Mafia and some lone Irish gangsters. The Italian mob created the rank of associate which allows people with no Italian ancestry to affiliate themselves with the Mob. And there have actually been cases of the Camorra (A form of the Italian Mafia) accepting members who are not of Italian ancestry at all.

 

CJ's gang was all black because they were a very small gang in an all black neighborhood. But in many street gangs there are no racial requirements, it's just that they operate on a very low level and come from ethnically homogeneous neighborhoods.

 

And it is a little different when white Biker gangs tattoo swastikas on their chests, affiliate with prison gangs like the Aryan Brotherhood, and take part in things like gay-bashing. Whites are highly sensitive about being viewed as racist, so yes it could be very offensive to many people including whites. In TLAD R* made sure the audience knew that the protagonist (Johnny Klebitz) was partly Jewish, this was specifically done in an attempt to soften Johnny's image and to fend off any suspicions gamers might have about Johnny being racist. That point was driven home again in BOGT.

[Not Volt Krueger]

The situation with the Mafia is completely different. The fact that the American Mafia requires someone to be of Italian ancestry (they actually only have to be half) has more to do with a tradition that dates back to the late 19th century than it does with simple racism. The Mafia also works very closely with non-Italian criminals sometimes going so far as completely integrating their organization, such as the Chicago Outfit did with the Jewish Mafia and some lone Irish gangsters. The Italian mob created the rank of associate which allows people with no Italian ancestry to affiliate themselves with the Mob. And there have actually been cases of the Camorra (A form of the Italian Mafia) accepting members who are not of Italian ancestry at all.

 

CJ's gang was all black because they were a very small gang in an all black neighborhood. But in many street gangs there are no racial requirements, it's just that they operate on a very low level and come from ethnically homogeneous neighborhoods.

 

And it is a little different when white Biker gangs tattoo swastikas on their chests, affiliate with prison gangs like the Aryan Brotherhood, and take part in things like gay-bashing. Whites are highly sensitive about being viewed as racist, so yes it could be very offensive to many people including whites. In TLAD R* made sure the audience knew that the protagonist (Johnny Klebitz) was partly Jewish, this was specifically done in an attempt to soften Johnny's image and to fend off any suspicions gamers might have about Johnny being racist. That point was driven home again in BOGT.

Motorcycle Clubs only letting in whites is tradition, the tradition of hating blacks. Dates back to the 17th century ya know.

 

All jokes aside, MC's have associates too and they are of different race. Essentially there's no differ in prejeduce between the two outfits. And this is a situational argument, R* could allow blacks into the games Club just as easily as they made Johnny Jewish then bam, problem solved.

 

As far as CJ's gang size goes I think you're wrong. It was a gang big enough to own the entire state of SA, and still not one single white person from any areas got in. With those statistics I think it's fairly safe to say that they were a black-only Gang. I noticed this as a white person and wasn't offended though, it's a videogame afterall.

 

MC's only represented swastikas to shock and scare people, in this day and age you rarely see it, especially tattooed.

Of course being a white criminal outift they would affiliate themselves with the Ayan Brotherhood. It doesn't necessarily mean they share the same beliefs, but prisons are divided by color, and the Aryan Brotherhood has the largest white prison presence available.

For gay bashing, i've never heard of it. But even if certain members had, I don't see how it would affect the game.

I'm white, and i'm not highly sensitive about being viewed as racist nor are any whites I know, so I see no backing to your statement.

Like you said, they made Johnny jewish to soften his image and fend off any suspicious gamers, so what would stop them from pulling a stop like that in the game i'm proposing?

 

TlaD didn't offend anybody even though the Angels of Death were blatently racist, so I don't think another biker game of the same genre would either. Any amount of things could be done to give the Club the image rockstar wants.

 

Also, I don't think R* particularly cares if people get offended. Yusef Amir saying "ni**er" multiple times even though he's not black, The Lost talking about the Italian "guedos", and the multiple times Louis was referred to as a "spick". All of these were blatently racist and there was no upheaval by any race or loss in sales.

 

I think as far as racism goes a biker GTA would be covered.

[Hangaround]

I agree with you here. Tlad was a great game but too short and wasn't given enough space to span out to the game it could have been, a full fledge biker GTA would fit in perfectly.

[Ryder 556]

Actually a past R* company(I think vienna) are working on a full blown biker game right now. I'll try and find it.

 

K. It's called Ride to Hell and is being developed by Deep Silver(Formed from R* Vienna). The game will be released for the PS3, PC and 360 in 2010.

 

Ride to Hell set in 1969 follows the adventures of a man named Charlie who returns from Vietnam and has trouble reintegrating into society. The conservative 1950s are over, the hippie revolution has launched, and the horrors of war are still too fresh in his mind. He finds home in a motorcycle gang going by the name of Devils Hand. The game's main goal is to survive and eventually reach the top of the gang, recruiting new members and gaining strength as a group along the way.

 

I say if they do it right it will be an awesome game.

 

Here's the teaser

 

 

 

Here are some screens.

 

http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/142/14265660/imgs_1.html

 

They look pretty good.

 

Oh and bike customization to.

 

http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/1426566...2055241649.html

 

Take a look at the last one(number 11). It looks real detailed and I suspect we'll have a release date by E3.

 

One more thing

 

http://ps3.ign.com/dor/objects/14265659/ri...rview_1708.html

Edited February 2, 2010 by ioN

[Not Volt Krueger]

Yeah i've been aware of that game for a while, however I didn't know it was being made by a former R* company.

 

With this information, i'm much more excited for the game. If they go the route of R* with a solid storyline, then it would definitely past GTA in my books.

 

I suppose with that information this thread is kind of pointless now though, haha.

[DeadByDagger]

Well, sorry to burst your bubble, but it was announced on January 3oth that Deep Silver Vienna (Formerly Rockstar Vienna) is shutting down. It's possible that the game will be handed over to another developer, but considering the game has had little coverage and almost no details about it revealed up to this point, it's not looking good.

[Not Volt Krueger]

Well, sorry to burst your bubble, but it was announced on January 3oth that Deep Silver Vienna (Formerly Rockstar Vienna) is shutting down. It's possible that the game will be handed over to another developer, but considering the game has had little coverage and almost no details about it revealed up to this point, it's not looking good.

Well a biker GTA would probably be done better anyways. I stick to my opinion that the MC theme is perfect for GTA & that the DLC or any DLC is definitely not enough room to expand on the things that could be done with the theme.

 

Game looked kinda bland anyways. I'd take a City over a desert or small-time desert towns any day.

[Wanted Assailant]

I hate the fact that R* wasted their chance of a biker story by reducing it to a DLC. TLAD was way too short in my opinion, and it could have been easily lengthed and maintained. I also didn't like that despite the fact that you're Leader of the TLMC that you can't hang around with any member of the club or club to known them, and more importaly, call out your gang for a road trip without having to go on a mission or a gang war. You should be to call up any patch member to ride with you for whatever, as it gives you more examples that the biker culture is a very close and loyal community. And the AI of the bikers during Gang Wars, was really poor. After like 5 gang wars, you couldn't go through another without having one of them die. By the time I completed 20 gang wars, about 19 of them died. The gang wars got even harder and I just stopped.

 

But do you think there is a chance Rockstar will do it again, full-addition? Bikers aren't very popular with the mainstream for some reason, as seen with feedback that people had to TLAD TBOGT, they favored TBOGT more. Also, look at the Italian Mafia. The Italian Mafia is constantly and restlessly featured in every GTA game. It's a GTA crime stape. And they're not gonna put it to rest because it is a fact that the Italian Mafia have a big prominence in the criminal underground and lifestyle. Bikers are too. Some Italian Mafia have even done business with lots of biker gangs.

 

I hope they bring it back.

[DeadByDagger]

Well, this is how I think of it. Maybe Rockstar wanted to try the whole biker game in a DLC to see if it's something consumers would want. If the DLC was successful, they'd probably try to work on a full product based on it. However, they did not execute the launch the way they should have. The DLC sold poorly, probably due to the fact that not every single person has an internet connection capable of downloading the file.

 

Then they muffed up again with the EFLC launch. There was very little advertising and sales were not impressive. Maybe they'll get it right this time and it'll actually sell. But who knows, really? Hopefully they take the kind reviews for TLaD and decide to make a full product out of it.

[Ryder 556]

Then they muffed up again with the EFLC launch. There was very little advertising and sales were not impressive. Maybe they'll get it right this time and it'll actually sell. But who knows, really? Hopefully they take the kind reviews for TLaD and decide to make a full product out of it.

What? I don't know where your from but around EFLC's launch every other commercial had the "She's got the look" trailer.

[Not Volt Krueger]

Then they muffed up again with the EFLC launch.  There was very little advertising and sales were not impressive.  Maybe they'll get it right this time and it'll actually sell.  But who knows, really?  Hopefully they take the kind reviews for TLaD and decide to make a full product out of it.

What? I don't know where your from but around EFLC's launch every other commercial had the "She's got the look" trailer.

I never saw a single commercial for it myself. And it's not surprising as R* has a track record of relying on their games poplarity for sales, the budget for IV advertising was tiny.

 

 

But do you think there is a chance Rockstar will do it again, full-addition? Bikers aren't very popular with the mainstream for some reason, as seen with feedback that people had to TLAD TBOGT, they favored TBOGT more. Also, look at the Italian Mafia. The Italian Mafia is constantly and restlessly featured in every GTA game. It's a GTA crime stape. And they're not gonna put it to rest because it is a fact that the Italian Mafia have a big prominence in the criminal underground and lifestyle. Bikers are too. Some Italian Mafia have even done business with lots of biker gangs.

Bikers have been making a media-based comeback in recent time. That's one of the reasons I think now would be a good time to capsize on a biker GTA. As far as the Mafia hype goes it's dieing out just like the biker hype did (and will again one day) too.

 

 

[Hangaround]

Biker media has been crazy these past few years, and getting crazier as time goes on.

 

- Wild Hogs series (movies)

- Sons of Anarchy (top show on a fox network, season 3 arriving soon)

- Bikers vs Robots

- The Lost and Damned

- Ride to Hell

- HBO biker series "1%er" in the works

- Remake of "Easy Rider" in the works

- Sonny Bargers movie based on his book about the Hells Angels in the works

 

Just a few examples of the exploding biker media.

[Not Volt Krueger]

Biker media has been crazy these past few years, and getting crazier as time goes on.

 

- Wild Hogs series (movies)

- Sons of Anarchy (top show on a fox network, season 3 arriving soon)

- Bikers vs Robots

- The Lost and Damned

- Ride to Hell

- HBO biker series "1%er" in the works

- Remake of "Easy Rider" in the works

- Sonny Bargers movie based on his book about the Hells Angels in the works

 

Just a few examples of the exploding biker media.

Yeah. Not to mention all the documentaries and hundreds of books.

Definitely can't think of any bad qualities to a biker GTA, in fact it sounds like a perfect idea.

[Spuddfluff]

Patches? Dude they aren't girl scouts.

[BlueCheer]

Apparently I'm the only one who thought Johnny was a loser. His whole character was just a fake tough guy attitude like Luis. He may have been cool 10 years ago, but now he is just an old, smelly asshole that no one wants to be around.

[Spuddfluff]

Same I really TLaD, I never even liked the whole biker thing before then.

 

I think a complete game could work in the biker theme e.g. you play a young character who just moved to wherever it is set for whatever reason.

 

So you start with normal clothes, meaning you can dress "normally". Say your brother or uncle or whatever is in the gang and where your living e.g. a project has a lot of bikers living on it. You do some jobs for your uncle and eventually you join the gang which starts a side mission in which you guy but some "biker" clothes, which are only necessary for the first mission as part of the gang.

 

Also in TLaD The Lost where the mafias drug runners so the gang you are part of could be the muscle for an organisation, then say that organisation gets taken down by the police or another gang and you then need to find another mob to employ you.

 

Eventually you get near the top, but not at the top until the end (that would just not feel right in a sufficiently big gang).

 

Suits could be worked in e.g. assassin missions or meeting someone important to seal a deal.

 

And considering most motorbike "gangs" are just guys who like riding bikes and most of whom have jobs I doubt not wearing gang colours would be too much of a problem.

[flameweilder]

Same I really TLaD, I never even liked the whole biker thing before then.

 

I think a complete game could work in the biker theme e.g. you play a young character who just moved to wherever it is set for whatever reason.

 

So you start with normal clothes, meaning you can dress "normally". Say your brother or uncle or whatever is in the gang and where your living e.g. a project has a lot of bikers living on it. You do some jobs for your uncle and eventually you join the gang which starts a side mission in which you guy but some "biker" clothes, which are only necessary for the first mission as part of the gang.

 

Also in TLaD The Lost where the mafias drug runners so the gang you are part of could be the muscle for an organisation, then say that organisation gets taken down by the police or another gang and you then need to find another mob to employ you.

 

Eventually you get near the top, but not at the top until the end (that would just not feel right in a sufficiently big gang).

 

Suits could be worked in e.g. assassin missions or meeting someone important to seal a deal.

 

And considering most motorbike "gangs" are just guys who like riding bikes and most of whom have jobs I doubt not wearing gang colours would be too much of a problem.

Even better, your gang could decide to run the city on its own once the Mafia gets taken down. This could lead to some really interesting missions and twists as the gang struggles to take over what the Mafia lost, while keeping what it had and avoiding the same fate as the Mafia whose shoes they are filling.

[Not Volt Krueger]

 

Apparently I'm the only one who thought Johnny was a loser. His whole character was just a fake tough guy attitude like Luis. He may have been cool 10 years ago, but now he is just an old, smelly asshole that no one wants to be around.

Yeah you're pretty much the only one who thought this. I think Johnny's tough guy persona wasn't nearly as over-advocated as Luis'. But pretty much every GTA protagonist has that feel, and they sort of have to for the game to make sense in what they do.

As far as the last comment goes, you have no basis to remark that. Johnny is cool now because everyones getting back into the biker culture.

 

Patches? Dude they aren't girl scouts.

That's what they have on their jackets so think what you will. They're more commonly known as "Rockers" though, if that makes you feel any more manly.

 

Spudd, I really like that idea. Starting off unaffiliated then having a relative show you the ropes of the culture and so forth to buying clothes so you fit in. Good f*ckin brain storming.

[Akavari]

If you are so adamant about it then why not make your own GTA thread about bikers?

[SouthernBrick]

Me personally, I did not like the Biker gang in LC because, for one I'm not into that type of thing for GTA and the story was not that good when they did do this one. I did not have that much fun playing it but, I did anyway so I wouldn't be missing anything. I pray they don't ever do a biker gang for a primary GTA game. I mean Its a opinion so more power to ya If your into that kind of thing but, I wouldn't like It much especially because, riding a bike in GTA is not well done at all.

[Not Volt Krueger]

Me personally, I did not like the Biker gang in LC because, for one I'm not into that type of thing for GTA and the story was not that good when they did do this one. I did not have that much fun playing it but, I did anyway so I wouldn't be missing anything. I pray they don't ever do a biker gang for a primary GTA game. I mean Its a opinion so more power to ya If your into that kind of thing but, I wouldn't like It much especially because, riding a bike in GTA is not well done at all.

You can't please all the people. If you don't like the theme, not much can be done to help. But the same could be said for any theme, I for example hate the street gang and gangster scenario.

If you're willing to look passed it though the game could still be good. I enjoyed SA regardless. But unless they do some generic thing where you get to choose, it's going to have to be something. And no matter what some people will be unhappy with it, but that's how it goes.

 

If you are so adamant about it then why not make your own GTA thread about bikers?

I'm not sure who that's targeted at, seeing as you didn't quote anything. But if you were referring to me... I did.

[Akavari]

I'm not sure who that's targeted at, seeing as you didn't quote anything. But if you were referring to me... I did.

I mean make your own fantasy biker gta whatever topic and work on that

[Not Volt Krueger]

I'm not sure who that's targeted at, seeing as you didn't quote anything. But if you were referring to me... I did.

I mean make your own fantasy biker gta whatever topic and work on that

Because i'm not into that stuff. I just made this thread to present my side on why I think a biker GTA would work, and get others feedback on the scenario.