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oldage

underaged sex (well, minimum 13 years) is now OK

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oldage

I've been watching the news this afternoon, and suddenly they started about this subject.

aslong as you do it with a partner of the same age you should be fine, but having it with someone that is 18 or older can get you in big trouble.

 

it's also still kinda forbidden to the law but they seem to have decided to not to take actions against it if it happens, of course they do support safety (condoms).

 

what is your take on this? do you think they should re-think about it and/or forbid it?

 

 

(another fact that they said is that most teens had sex for teh first time at their 15)

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Jesus'En'Hitler420

I like to say the samething about having sex early being similar to teenagers drinking early: the earlier you begin, the more of a fiend you'll be.

 

But hey, if Belgium wants to have a bunch of f*cked up little twats that have no sense of human dignity or decency, howling at the moon with 50 quid in their right hand and their dick's in their left for the next 13 year old hooker, so be it.

 

Of course they support "safety", you think they want all those sex fiending youngsters reproducing, creating more fiending youngsters? Belgium would be getting it's asskicked in born out of wedlock little sh*ts. Whatever welfare you guys have would be turned upside down and there'd be nothing left.

 

I just only hope for Belgium's sake that the parents there have a sense of decency that most American parents lack, and communicate the possible hard realities of f*cking everything before they even get the chance of f*cking the right one.

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I like to say the samething about having sex early being similar to teenagers drinking early: the earlier you begin, the more of a fiend you'll be.

 

But hey, if Belgium wants to have a bunch of f*cked up little twats that have no sense of human dignity or decency..

It´s not like having sex before a certain age was illegal and they just suddenly lifted the ban.

 

OP: What did the law change exactly? 18 year olds can now bang 13 year olds?

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Jesus'En'Hitler420

 

It´s not like having sex before a certain age was illegal and they just suddenly lifted the ban.

 

No, that's not what I was saying at all. I was really speaking about how social matters such as this end up becoming politicized, and ultimately, ends up mucking the sh*t up even more. What problems was Belgium expecting to solve by freely allowing the practice of "underage" sex? That's what I was really trying to get at.

 

Does Belgium have laws against paedophilia? Or is that now allowed so long as the victim... Erm, excuse me, the "partner" is now no longer under 13?

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oldage
I like to say the samething about having sex early being similar to teenagers drinking early: the earlier you begin, the more of a fiend you'll be.

 

But hey, if Belgium wants to have a bunch of f*cked up little twats that have no sense of human dignity or decency..

It´s not like having sex before a certain age was illegal and they just suddenly lifted the ban.

 

OP: What did the law change exactly? 18 year olds can now bang 13 year olds?

no, only that people can have sex with the same age (e.g. a boy of 15 with a girl of 15)

but not with anyone 18 or older.

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Jesus'En'Hitler420

So, at one point it was a crime for a 15 year old male to bone a 15 year old female, is what you're saying?

 

What bothers me about these pieces of legislation is now it's borderline telling kids that it's just about damn well near expected of them to be having sex by the age of fourteen. Granted it's ultimately the child's choice of what they will do with themselves, but what a way to totally circumvent the parent's authority over the situation, just like with what has been done in the U.S.

 

Simplifying this statement in a cute pro-Government motto: "We can teach you how to be an adult better than your birth parents can!"

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Ats.

In Estonia, a 14 year old can legally have sex with an adult. It's not right in my opinion.

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OP: What did the law change exactly? 18 year olds can now bang 13 year olds?[/color]

no, only that people can have sex with the same age (e.g. a boy of 15 with a girl of 15)

but not with anyone 18 or older.

Well that's fairly useless then, as I doubt any underage person would feel the need to call the cops after having consensual sex with their partner. In that sense I agree with what Jesus'En'Hitler420 is saying about the government basically encouraging the wee uns to engage in a quick boinking. I mean this:

 

 

What bothers me about these pieces of legislation is now it's borderline telling kids that it's just about damn well near expected of them to be having sex by the age of fourteen.

As you can see, I didn't really say anything new, I just agreed with him and worded my sentiments a bit differently. Well, this was a bit useless. I'm sorry.

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Saggy

Personally I think any laws attempting to prohibit any type of consensual sex are pretty much daft and unenforceable. I mean, why don't we make masturbation illegal too? Though this does kind of open up the question of statutory rape and what not...

 

Myself personally, I think that people who are not adults, should be fined for having sex. Simply put, if someone else is still responsible for you, you don't need to be risking getting someone else knocked up or getting herpes or something; if they can manage to keep it private and have no problems, then it doesn't need to be a problem.

 

Basically what I'm saying is abstinence doesn't work, but we we still need some kind of determent. I don't find it acceptable to tell teens on and on the dangers of sex, and then say, "Okay, now go have sex since you're going to do it anyway." I don't agree with harsh criminal penalties either, but there definitely needs to be a determent, and there needs to be proper education so that in the mean time, the kids that are going to go have sex no matter what aren't knocking each other up and spreading social disease. I mean, honestly, this is the sort of thing that use to be taken care of by strong family morals ( calling your daughter a whore ) and Christian beliefs ( telling your son to find 'em, f*ck 'em, feel 'em and forget 'em ) and we just don't really have those in society anymore. Parents are basically afraid to even mention sex to their kids, and they're left to either figure it out, or have it taught to them in a classroom environment where most of them think it's a joke, and the other half are too embarrassed to look like they're paying attention.

 

What I've thought would be a better idea, is that if underage kids were caught having sex, that the government have some kid of class kind of like a drug counseling class that people with drug posession charges have to go to. It would educate them, and be enough of a drag to dissuade them, without mucking it up with criminal penalties or whatever. An added fine would be appropriate, sense we can use all the money we can get when we have to care for their penicillin shots.

 

 

Now, all joking aside... I find age laws to be really arbitrary. They really make no sense... I mean, the guy talking about men being able to have sex with girls above 14 in Estonia. To most people, hearing about someone over 18 having sex with anyone under 18 is taboo, but think about it biologically for a second. Remember when you were 14? Your girl friends weren't exactly flat chested, narrow hipped prepubescents were they?

 

Now someone might say, "Well, it's the age difference." Well, is 18 vs 14 really that much? In my state, the age of consent is 16, is 2 years really that much than 14? Who the hell decides these age ranges, based on what?

 

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that teenage girls should be fair game as long as they're developed or anything like that. That's like, the stupidest, most gullible and impressionable age for all people; why would we want to make it legal so they can go make a bunch of mistakes?. So I personally am of the opinion that they need to get to at least 18 before they're even developed enough for sex, and before they're smart enough to know what they're really getting themselves into. The funny thing is that I still know 18 year olds that don't really seem to fit either of those criteria. For the most part though it seems to be a pretty well rounded age.

 

I just don't really see it as making sense though. Both of them will be just as foolish about sex, and they probably won't be at the same developmental rate. I mean, with that system... A well developed 15 year old male could bone an undeveloped 15 year old girl, and there would be practically no difference had it been some 30 year old dude boning a 10 year old. I mean, the same way one could argue that a 30 year old could take advantage of a 10 year old, I've seen couplings like that between 15 year olds.

 

I mean, kids aren't supposed to be f*cking for two reasons: They can catch something and they're too stupid to protect themselves, and they don't know what they're doing socially and physically. I mean, I don't want to get into specifics... But if teens aren't at the same developmental stages, some bad things can happen physically, and then all of the social implications. Teenage pregnancies and STDs anyone?

 

It seems like it was just trying to reduce penalties for teens that got caught f*cking. If that's the case, they should probably just reduce penalties overall since they don't seem to be an effective deterrent. Trying to literally legislate that "same-aged" sex is okay seems like a logistical nightmare in the sense that age is so arbitrary.

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chillwinston8717

I don't think that sanctions or penalties are the most appropriate way of dealing with this issue for the MOST. There should be a stronger emphasis on education about proper sexual health and values, both at school but particularily from parents. It isn't the governments responsibility to tell people when they are ready to have sex.

 

That said, I agree with the laws in Australia; correct me if I'm wrong, but the age of consent is 16, and below that, it is not classified as statutory rape if the two parties are within 2 years of each others age. Whilst there is no saying that teenagers won't be taken advantage of by others within the 2 year bracket, I believe there is a considerable less chance, and any mental trauma they suffer is likely to be less severe than if the other person is considerably older.

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General Goose

Maybe it's just me, but hasn't the whole "sex between younger teens is alright if it's with another younger teen" law been in several European countries for a while now? Sorry if it's already been commented on.

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Dingdongs

Yeah General Goose is right, while it isn't technically legal, kids will still do it.

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Straznicy

I find it laughable when people try to define at what age it's suddenly acceptable to start having sex. Like others have said, the laws are nigh-on impossible to enforce, and the set age boundaries aren't exactly reflective of society's opinions on the subject anyway. For example, I doubt people would make much distinction between a 40 year old having sex with a 15 year old or a 17 year old - even though one's legal, the response is still going to be overwhelmingly condemning.

 

Physically, humans are capable of reproduction by the time they are 13-14, and so obviously, there's going to be the urge to go out and try it. I'd say that's more or less natural, not "socially deviant" or whatever other buzzwords the God squad are attaching to the matter. As long as people are emotionally ready and are made fully aware of the risks (and measures they can take to reduce the chances of them) then I don't see why we should get in their way, unless it means protecting them from exploitation. It's society's responsibility to educate young people on the issue - because that's what will help curb the problems caused by teen pregnancy and the STD wildfire. It's also our responsibility to appropriately protect young people from exploitation, and I believe this is where laws should be developed more fully in regard to the "underage sexuality" question.

 

In short, the laws at present do f*ck all. It makes little to no difference whether age rules are in place or not.

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Toke

If your having sex at the age of 13 you're in desperate need of therapy as you've likely been molested and/or abused at some point in your life. Move to Amsterdam and get it over with.

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Indi

I don't agree with all of this "mumbo-jumbo" shall we say, I think that to lose your virginity with someone should be special, and you should be absolutely sure that you're gonna be in-love with that woman for the next hell, 20-30 years.

 

But y'know it's hormones in kids, but they still should be mature enough to accept the consequences of them becoming a mother/father, sometimes they need to keep their legs closed, and their stick in their trousers.

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Rhoda
I don't agree with all of this "mumbo-jumbo" shall we say, I think that to lose your virginity with someone should be special, and you should be absolutely sure that you're gonna be in-love with that woman for the next hell, 20-30 years.

If this was the golden rule shall we say, about 10% would be losing their virginity at all. It does happen that people lose their virginity to the someone they turn out to spend a lot of their life with, but it's just not a common occurance. I lost mine to a complete slut with a gash like a welly top, I sure as hell didn't bank on spending the rest of my life with her.

 

Was good though.

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Indi
I don't agree with all of this "mumbo-jumbo" shall we say, I think that to lose your virginity with someone should be special, and you should be absolutely sure that you're gonna be in-love with that woman for the next hell, 20-30 years.

If this was the golden rule shall we say, about 10% would be losing their virginity at all. It does happen that people lose their virginity to the someone they turn out to spend a lot of their life with, but it's just not a common occurance. I lost mine to a complete slut with a gash like a welly top, I sure as hell didn't bank on spending the rest of my life with her.

 

Was good though.

I'm saving my virginity for someone special, but I mean everyone has their own opinions who you should lose your virginity to.

 

But it's obviously what you wanna do in your life, if you wanna do it do it, but it's something that you might regret later in life.

 

All I'm saying.

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Rhoda

Sure, and I respect that. Not a lot do. Hell, not a lot think about it. I sure as hell didn't.

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fueledonepicness

I lost my Virginity at 14 with a girl that was the same age,

But a lot of girls that I've met and know in high school lose their virginity to dudes that are 19-26 at the age of 15-16.

Then these desperate dudes come to high schools and give girls anything they want. coke, weed and booze just so they can get laid.

 

Here in Canada the law system is f*cked up people who commit crimes can get out on parole extremely easily. And I know people that have spent a longer time in jail that were innocent.

 

I think the punishment should be more harsher for statuary rape. Because a lot of these dudes leave these girls pregnant and addicted to coke or weed.

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Tyler

Two thing, ok *cough* I now hate liberals in wherever the f*ck this is going on .

 

 

Two, the perfect age is 17 for this sh*t. Thats when people average their Viginity lose. Now whatever happenes anyways, should not be a law. If I was a kid there right now, I would be emmbarrased, I mean theirs a reason they did this you know? millions of little 15 year-olds must be f*cking everywhere or something. It couldn't be kept a secret so they made it a law to feel less-embaressed as parents. But the kids... oh no they will all f*ck now, everywhere I say! block your ears lest you hear the sounds of a 15 year old boy unzipping his- oh dead god I can't type anymore. :sad.gif:

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YeaHomie

Teens, I think it's bad for them. They weren't mentally ready for doing sex. They could break their own sanity and being sex-maniacs.

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The-King

Well considering the fact that humans reach sexual maturity at around that point in their lives I fail to see any true issues with it, from both a scientific and sociological standpoint. Just because one willingly engages in sexual intercourse at such a young age doesn't neccesarily mean they're going to become a deviant or slut, that's just pure fallacious logic.

 

As long as the government doesn't actually try to force or coerce the young-in's to copulate than it's really a non-issue.

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Rapper303
Here in Canada the law system is f*cked up people who commit crimes can get out on parole extremely easily. And I know people that have spent a longer time in jail that were innocent.

 

 

Yeah I got out of a crime easily, no Joke.

 

but my crime wasn't serious

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E.A.B.

 

What bothers me about these pieces of legislation is now it's borderline telling kids that it's just about damn well near expected of them to be having sex by the age of fourteen.

I saw it as simple legislation that circumvented stupid laws that got innocents into jail cells.

 

some of these sex laws are god damn ridiculous. Children are no longer the sweet innocent youth they once were (if they EVER were), so the law should take that into account. If an 18 year old f*cks a 17 year old (both in HS), then the 18 year old shouldn't go to jail. It's absurd.

 

Just as OP said, this doesn't condone pedophilia, it simply doesn't make it illegal for two stupid, consenting people to f*ck. Should it be illegal? Of course not. If someone wants to do a natural function, it should never, ever be illegal. Should 13 year olds be f*cking? Nope.

 

But I won't throw the book at two stupid kids that don't know what they're doing, much less what the law even is.

 

As for this 'condoning' sex-hardly. Anyone raised within a solid moral household should have standards and ethics. If your mom and dad talked to you about f*cking, but also about consequences and responsibility, then this will hardly 'force' you or 'encourage' you to f*ck. After all, kids don't read up on the law, and mom and dad ARE the law.

 

AND IF THE LAW IS WEAK, THEN THE CRIMINAL IS WILD, if you catch my drift.

 

 

the guy talking about men being able to have sex with girls above 14 in Estonia. To most people, hearing about someone over 18 having sex with anyone under 18 is taboo, but think about it biologically for a second. Remember when you were 14? Your girl friends weren't exactly flat chested, narrow hipped prepubescents were they?

 

I've been saying this for so 'effin long.

 

I've seen some 16 year old girls that are better 'built' than 20 year olds. Something must be IN THAT GOD DAMN WATER.

 

I mean, holy f*ck. Hell, I remember this girl in 8TH GRADE. It's insane.

 

Also, girls mature faster than boys. So having a girl with an older guy isn't that strange, biologically speaking.

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darthYENIK

Teens have sex. It's a fact. No rules, laws or lectures from their parents will stop them. Penn & Teller: Bullsh*t recently did a show about teen sex, and Penn had a good point. We'll sooner solve world hunger, and gain world peace than stop teens from having sex. (I'm sure I messed that quote up somewhere)

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LuisBellic

holy sh*t 13????

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Girish
holy sh*t 13????

This is the D&D forum, mate, and not Gen Chat. It would be nice if you explain why you find it so surprising that 13 year olds are having sex.

 

I find it to be the least surprising thing. With kids hitting puberty as early as 9 and 10 years, it's no wonder that their hormones are in overdrive. There's also the factor of peer pressure and teenage kids very easily succumb to it. I know I have. However, what they are not aware of are the repercussions of unprotected sex without proper knowledge or guidance. In some cases, there are also emotional strings attached. All these things combined together might become too much for a 13 year old to handle. But that's not really on their mind when they are thinking with their genitals.

 

The key to solving this issue lies at home. Forget sex education; it's more of a joke than anything else. It's the parents who have to take the initiative and muster enough courage to be able to talk to their kids openly on sensitive topics such as these. Unless that parent-kid gap is bridged, there's nothing anyone can do about underage sex. This is something I strongly believe.

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AlfieWilRus

I really have no problem with all of this. I mean its not for other people to decide what other people want to do.

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PresidentKiller
I mean its not for other people to decide what other people want to do.

Yeah, but as a society we need to openly tell them everything they need to know about sex and relationships, without hiding or distorting anything, so they can make an informed decision. That's the best we can do.

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