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SanAndreasManiac

Do you believe in Extraterrestrial Life?

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Do you believe in Extraterrestrial Life?

 

 

what do you think about this polemical question?

 

I for one, think that they exist, visited Earth inumerous times, and they can be the explanation for phenomena like God, Jesus, etc

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Rhoda

I think so. Not in the way we depict aliens, but certainly intelligent, sentient life somewhere out there. Far too far away for us to contact them, or for them to reach us, but there's got to be more than this speck of dirt in an endless sea of stars and worlds.

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playa

Its said that there are at least 100,000,000 million stars in the milky way galaxy and at least 100 billion galaxies in our universe. I think it would be impossible for there not to be other intelligent life forms out there. Weather or not they’ve visited earth, its possible and I love to think so, but its pretty unlikely.

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General Goose

It's almost definite that at least one other planet, somewhere, had just the right conditions for life (though probably extremely different from ours.) Have they visited us? Doubt it. Seems scientifically unlikely for one, and there's no proper evidence in my opinion. Maybe eons ago, but once again, I doubt it.

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Fnorg

I can't see how this has anything to do with belief. It's not like it's ghosts or anything - it's life. It is highly unlikely that some form of intelligent life doesn't exist with the amount of planets in just our own solar system, let alone the universe. There has to be quite a few suitable for life as we know it (carbon based, RNA/DNA based and so on). If microbes could live on Mars, I can't see why intelligent life wouldn't be able to arise on more hospitable planets.

 

I however seriously doubt that aliens would care enough to go and tell some guys to write a book on how we should treat each other and then just leave us alone.

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D- Ice
I think so. Not in the way we depict aliens, but certainly intelligent, sentient life somewhere out there. Far too far away for us to contact them, or for them to reach us, but there's got to be more than this speck of dirt in an endless sea of stars and worlds.

I completely agree except for the intelligent part.

 

Intelligence is just one of an infinite number of possible characteristics they could have - and in itself is open to an infinte different interpretations.

I am only assuming here, but I feel intelligence in your post is in the context of the self-aware, superior higher-congnitive ability attribute humans have - however IMO most n00bs here are not intelligent. I can actually scientifically argue that an average cow possesses more intelligence.

 

Another thing is I completely agree that they wont be as we expect. I would actually argue that chances are they wont even by amino-acid/protien based with the endless possible self-replicating molecules out there. But then brings me onto my next dilemma - what do you consider life.

 

If you consider life something remotely similar to life here - which the majority of which is actually subterranean single-cellular organisms - then my answer is no. All such theories like life being water-based, and not least the bullsh*t Hollywood Alien, are all based along the same evolutionary path as life on Earth - an absolute absurdity IMO.

 

If however this question is less sensationalist and open to possibility - defining life as any self-replicating/replacing entity that reacts to outside change in order to preserve this process - then sure, chances are there are many such life-forms out there.

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Original Baby Gangsta
It's almost definite that at least one other planet, somewhere, had just the right conditions for life (though probably extremely different from ours.) Have they visited us? Doubt it. Seems scientifically unlikely for one, and there's no proper evidence in my opinion. Maybe eons ago, but once again, I doubt it.

I'm with you on this one. I do believe in extraterrestrial life, whether it's aliens or natural humans in another galaxy. It seems unlikely for us to be the only living in this universe. They probably wonder the same as we do to them. I just hope, who ever finds whoever first, that we'll get along, haha.

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shaboobala

I would say there is almost certainly life outside the planet earth. I would be shocked, frankly, if there wasn't. Possibly even within our own solar system, which is -in itself- massive and unknown. I think life is not all that remarkable, it's just another logical progression in the systematic organization of the cosmos. First there were a bunch of atoms; then the atoms condensed; then stars formed; stars created more complex matter; planets; primordial ooze; self-replicating proteins->natural selection->increasing complexity= ta-da, life!

 

I think a much more contentious question would be whether there is *intelligent* life in the universe, and whether there are advanced space-faring civilizations out there. I would bet yes. The universe/cosmos is simply so mindf*ckingly colossal that I, for one, cannot even begin to make sweeping presumptions about extremeley complex issues like the non-existence of "life". So I let my childish hope and the massive probability matrix of the universe guide my thoughts.

 

Surely, there are other self-replicating systems and/or group colonies out in the vast sea of the sky. And surely, somewhere, others have become self-aware. Perhaps the context of their awareness is vastly different, maybe their perception and biochemistry is extremely weird but they still live within the confines of our universal laws and they will still live on a planet(probably) with stars above them. So, already we humans have something in common with these other theoretical forms of life. They can't be that different. Not if their genesis was within the laws of our universe. And who knows, maybe there are inter-dimensional "life forms" or some kind of "universe-hoppers".

 

sh*t, there are probably some worlds or realities -somewhere- where iridescent elephants spend their days riding unicorns and smoking solid diamond bongs full of magical space-drugs. Just putting that out there.

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bobgtafan

Well this all comes down to is your outlook. If you believe the universe is infinite then by it's nature there are infinite possibitlies. If that is true then their are an infintie number of you, me, and infinite other life forms. Even if you believe in parrallel universes you believe the same thing. So not only are there "hollywood aliens" but there are ones you can't imagation. But here's the thing the size my vary, they may be the size of a cell one place and the size of a sun somewhere esle. Who knows?

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The Unvirginiser

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It's kind of like us swimming to New Zealand to acquire technology from tribesmen. It isn't going to happen any time soon. But yes, if there's a million, million stars in our solar system, which is one of trillions then I'm sure life has found a way somewhere.

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Robinski

I've always thought it obnoxious for people to think that we're the only life giving planet in all of existence. What makes us so special? In my opinion it has to be almost impossible for there not to be life out there somewhere in some form, just 'cos of probability and the like. On the reverse, a friend once made a good point about life just being a "feature" of the planet; he used an allegory of "Imagine a tour of our universe by some god-like things from another universe, they'd say "look at this planet, it spins at a rediculous rate and this one that has volcanoes erupting every second, and then this one with little things crawling on it". That had quite an effect on me.

 

Then again there is always the question of "what constitutes life?". The easy answer is pretty scientific (growth, response to stimulus, reproduction etc.) in biology. But what if there was some being that exists only as energy or something else, would we consider it "living" if we were even aware of its existence at all?

 

Personally I think it's incredibly sad, and kind of lonely if we really are the only conscious things in the universe.

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K^2

 

In my opinion it has to be almost impossible for there not to be life out there somewhere in some form, just 'cos of probability and the like.

We can't really draw statistics based on one example. That's the problem. We do not completely understand the origin of life, so we cannot say just how unlikely life is. It might be that even one planet with life in the universe is incredibly unlikely. But then how come we have one, you'd say. Well, there are some strong indications that we live in a multiverse. Every possible universe exists within it. Most of them would then be completely devoid of life, but there is nobody there to reflect on such a fact. Some tiny fraction of the universes would have life in them. Some fraction of these intelligent. Of these, the fraction with more than one planet with life would be extremely small.

 

So if you happen to be an intelligent life form in such a multiverse, odds are, you'd be on the only planet with life in your universe.

 

On another hand, it might be that any planet with conditions similar to these on Earth would have life on it. Then there are going to be billions of such planets in our galaxy alone. And at this point, we simply can't tell which it is.

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Bigs

I guess I'd consider myself a skeptic. While I don't completely discredit the possibility of intelligent life elsewhere, I find it unlikely, at least until more evidence becomes available.

 

I agree with K^2's last statement (if it were possible for a single planet in the universe to possess advanced civilizations, there would be a vast amount of others by the logic of probability), and due to the fact that I have no reason to believe that is true, I remain doubtful.

 

But it's always intriguing to ponder on the possibilities...

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Jonesizzle
I can't see how this has anything to do with belief. It's not like it's ghosts or anything - it's life. It is highly unlikely that some form of intelligent life doesn't exist with the amount of planets in just our own solar system, let alone the universe. There has to be quite a few suitable for life as we know it (carbon based, RNA/DNA based and so on). If microbes could live on Mars, I can't see why intelligent life wouldn't be able to arise on more hospitable planets.

 

I however seriously doubt that aliens would care enough to go and tell some guys to write a book on how we should treat each other and then just leave us alone.

Look back to the ancient civilizations; The Mayans and Egyptians, nost notable. People who worshipped the sky, the stars people who took wisdom from gods who dropped from the sky. This 'wisdom' which help create pyramids; pyramids that are directly aligned with stars outer space. Its all very hard to swallow wheather you believe it or not.

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Don Garcia

Of course. Not everything is weather balloons and military training flights.

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K^2
Look back to the ancient civilizations; The Mayans and Egyptians, nost notable. People who worshipped the sky, the stars people who took wisdom from gods who dropped from the sky. This 'wisdom' which help create pyramids; pyramids that are directly aligned with stars outer space. Its all very hard to swallow wheather you believe it or not.

Mayans and Egyptians had the same tools to observe the sky with as the Greeks did. And the only advantage that Renaissance astronomers had on them was the telescope, which simply lets you see eve more stuff up there. They all basically relied on watching the sky day by day, year by year, and noting how things move about. And while we have fairly poor record of the former three groups, we have a descent record of the later group's discoveries. And we know that they didn't involve aliens coming down and telling them about the stars. So why do you think that Heraclides and Copernicus could figure out that planets revolve around the Sun, but Mayans and Egyptians would have trouble composing basic star charts?

 

Most people tend to think of the ancient civilizations as primitive, but that is absolutely incorrect. Mayans, Egyptians, Greeks, and Romans have had advances in astronomy, medicine, architecture, mathematics, engineering, and so on that would not be matched by Western Civilization until late Renaissance and in some areas until Industrialization. The thing that made our civilization different is that we made the transition to Industrialization, and that was mere 200 years ago. Try to think of all the things that people of early 1800s already knew and were capable of achieving, and then look back at things that the ancients did. Do the pyramids still look incredible?

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Machida

I don't see it as a question of belief, im more inclined to answer that I just don't know. If I were to query over the innards and outwards as to how a light bulb works, I could very easily look that up. Though if I were to do the same for the beyonds of space, the very thing in which we live in, id be rather f*cked.

 

That's utterly, utterly irritating.

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Ari Gold
I guess I'd consider myself a skeptic. While I don't completely discredit the possibility of intelligent life elsewhere, I find it unlikely, at least until more evidence becomes available.

 

I agree with K^2's last statement (if it were possible for a single planet in the universe to possess advanced civilizations, there would be a vast amount of others by the logic of probability), and due to the fact that I have no reason to believe that is true, I remain doubtful.

 

But it's always intriguing to ponder on the possibilities...

This. 100%.

 

I don't think there are other life forms within our solar system, however as Machida said we literally have no way of figuring out whether or not there are other life forms in other solar systems, other galaxies or even other universes.

 

So... to put it in lay man's terms, I know f*ck all. And I think most would be on the same foot, however lean to one side or another (usually towards the side that believes that there is other life out there) based on logical reasoning.

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Mike Tequeli

 

In my opinion it has to be almost impossible for there not to be life out there somewhere in some form, just 'cos of probability and the like.

We can't really draw statistics based on one example. That's the problem. We do not completely understand the origin of life, so we cannot say just how unlikely life is. It might be that even one planet with life in the universe is incredibly unlikely. But then how come we have one, you'd say. Well, there are some strong indications that we live in a multiverse. Every possible universe exists within it. Most of them would then be completely devoid of life, but there is nobody there to reflect on such a fact. Some tiny fraction of the universes would have life in them. Some fraction of these intelligent. Of these, the fraction with more than one planet with life would be extremely small.

 

So if you happen to be an intelligent life form in such a multiverse, odds are, you'd be on the only planet with life in your universe.

 

On another hand, it might be that any planet with conditions similar to these on Earth would have life on it. Then there are going to be billions of such planets in our galaxy alone. And at this point, we simply can't tell which it is.

 

You make it almost sound 50/50, from what most scientists believe we probably aren't even that special in our galaxy alone. It was once thought that planets were fairly rare for a star to have, with the advent of exoplanet detection we realized planets are pretty damn common. With literally billions of planets in our Galaxy, there are probably more then a few Earth-like planets floating around. I understand the steps involved in DNA synthesis is not entirely understood but it isn't necessarily a far off discovery. Most scientists seem to think that we are not close to alone in our universe on the basis that life on an Earth like planet seems bound to happen given enough time.

 

I get what you are saying, that the answer is entirely unknowable. Realistically there is nothing that has happened to our star system or planet that appears to set us apart from any other potential sources of life.

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K^2

 

You make it almost sound 50/50, from what most scientists believe we probably aren't even that special in our galaxy alone. It was once thought that planets were fairly rare for a star to have, with the advent of exoplanet detection we realized planets are pretty damn common. With literally billions of planets in our Galaxy, there are probably more then a few Earth-like planets floating around. I understand the steps involved in DNA synthesis is not entirely understood but it isn't necessarily a far off discovery. Most scientists seem to think that we are not close to alone in our universe on the basis that life on an Earth like planet seems bound to happen given enough time.

 

I get what you are saying, that the answer is entirely unknowable. Realistically there is nothing that has happened to our star system or planet that appears to set us apart from any other potential sources of life.

But if you don't know how likely life is to start on Earth, knowing how many Earth-like worlds are out there doesn't help at all. For example, if there are hundred billions of "Earths" in this galaxy, and each has one in a trillion chances of life emerging on it, then the odds of there being precisely one planet with life are significantly better than these of there being two or more. (roughly 10% vs 1%) That doesn't mean that our world needs to be in any way special. It's just that there happens to be just one of these with life, and from there, being life forms ourselves, we have 100% chance of being on it and not somewhere else.

 

And our ability to estimate the odds of life developing are hindered by the fact that we don't even know exactly how it all started. What was the first self-replicating molecule? If we at least knew that, we'd be able to make ball-park estimates, but we don't. Worse yet, we can't even say for sure that life started on Earth and not on, say, Mars. In fact, the indications for the later seem to be stronger at the moment.

 

As for the 50/50 thing, sort of. We don't know what the actual odds are, but lacking any other info, principle of maximum entropy suggests that we should act as if both possibilities are equally likely. Once we have found another life form or learned enough about our own evolution to guess the odds, we could start making claims.

 

As for my personal inclination, I'm going to quote Monty Python. "And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space, 'cause there's bugger all down here on Earth."

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Cilogy

I think

 

Discovering ET life is a scientific process, not a belief system. We are on an ongoing quest to find ET life, therefore it is based on proof of existence rather than what you personally believe.

 

Simply, this is not a question that can be answered based on fact, the question about whether you believe is a fine question to ask, but it does not matter, there either is or is not ET life.

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J4ADM

This sort of question fascinates me, although i dont really know what to think. The biggest exitement for me when talking about this sort of thing, is the size of the universe, and where and 'IF' it ends, which really is an impossible question to answer.

 

 

 

Just f*cking wow at the video.

 

Video description from youtube and AMNH; The Known Universe takes viewers from the Himalayas through our atmosphere and the inky black of space to the afterglow of the Big Bang. Every star, planet, and quasar seen in the film is possible because of the world's most complete four-dimensional map of the universe, the Digital Universe Atlas that is maintained and updated by astrophysicists at the American Museum of Natural History. The new film, created by the Museum, is part of an exhibition, Visions of the Cosmos: From the Milky Ocean to an Evolving Universe, at the Rubin Museum of Art in Manhattan through May 2010.

 

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d0mm2k8

 

I think it would be impossible for there not to be other intelligent life forms out there

What you have to remember is that, in this universe, nothing is impossible or certain if you don't know otherwise.

 

I think that it is extremely possible there are other lifeforms out there.

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K^2
What you have to remember is that, in this universe, nothing is impossible or certain if you don't know otherwise.

In other words, what you are saying is, "Nothing is certain, unless it is."

 

Sad thing, it's still an eye opener for some people.

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Dag26

I think ET life is very possible, it may not even be similar to ours, it could be something beyond our mind could think or imagine.

 

The question is when will we find it or when will it find us?

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chapapote

In my country there's a guy who says that, if there's life out there, it will be similar to us.

Check this video.

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Dag26

Does anyone think it would be exactly the same as ours, i mean there is a possibility that there is a planet with exactley the same conditions as ours that produced life in the same way.

 

 

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thatgamer99
Does anyone think it would be exactly the same as ours, i mean there is a possibility that there is a planet with exactley the same conditions as ours that produced life in the same way.

True. I mean, look at the evolutions of animals on our own planet. A lot of different simple water organisms evolved into species that were a lot like each other. So, other than "pigs raining from the sky and turning into pancakes when they hit your head", I believe anything's possible.

 

Besides, it's arrogant to believe that we're the only intelligent species in the entire infinite universe. tounge2.gif

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Matty

I do beleive that there is ET life out there -- of course not like we depict it in movies and other media, but it is very possible that intelligent life exsists somewhere out there other than Earth. Our galaxy is comprised of several billion stars and there are several billion galaxies in our universe, if there is no life in our galaxy then there would have to be life in other galaxies.

 

The ET life I beleive exists is very well be similar to life on Earth in that it is carbon based life, but it is also very possible to have life based on other elements out there too. But I tell you, it would be very interesting to see what is actually out there, what sort of societies exsist out there; whether they're millions of years ahead or hundereds of years behind us in terms of technological development or whether there is actually any development at all from a particular species. It would be very interesting stuff to know.

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Dag26
I do beleive that there is ET life out there -- of course not like we depict it in movies and other media.

The Universe is so big, there could be somewhere, you never know.

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