Should Rockstar be honest with us

[PTRACER]

I think someone from Rockstar should give an honest explanation of why the game and it's subsequent patches have turned out the way they have and whether they plan to do anything about it or whether anything CAN be done about it. Would you buy PC games made by Rockstar in the future?

 

It just seems to me like they released a very buggy game and haven't dedicated much time and effort to fixing it, potentially destroying their reputation on the PC gaming market. The patches seem few and far between and don't seem to have fixed many problems - too many people are reporting new bugs that weren't there before as well.

 

Before they release a patch, have they even tested it to see what has changed? The shadows bug with the bikes and the cars is a major thing that surely would have been noticed within minutes of playing - the same with the sinking cars bug where the tyres seem to be sitting under the road's surface in places. If I was going to release a patch, I would test it extensively to make sure no new bugs have appeared.

 

I think it would be nice if R* could say, "Sorry, the RAGE engine hasn't translated to Windows very well and we will work on the engine for future releases", or "Our technical team has tried their best and is unable to fix the bugs" or "Our schedule doesn't permit much time to be spent repairing the problems with the game, but we are trying our best with limited resources". I would personally trust future Rockstar releases more if they can tell us why GTA IV has been such a shambles on PC.

 

You don't think they're intentionally trying to alienating the PC market and encourage console gaming do you? I mean, if that were the case, they would simply say, "We're never making another GTA for the PC, buy a console if you want to play it" right?

 

[wesley123]

explainig why gta4 was such a pity is wasting your time as none of you would understand and it would turn out in flaming r*.

 

With this game the completely destroyed their PC Market position, not ideal with an already weak pc games market.

 

Remember though, this is the first RAGE engine release for the pc and remember, gta3 was far from perfect either when it was released.

[Murcchachosa]

Well, Im not blaming Rockstar North.

They made the best games ever in the world.

The problem is the Rockstar Toronto.

They didnt had any effort to fix this game.

Every patch that comes out, there will be another big annoying bugs.

GTA IV PC, is the most nightmare ever for every GTA lover

when "ported" by Toronto.

The grainy weather, the light wall, no moon, pixelated shadows, lack of DX10

since most people have newer OS than XP, collisions bugs.

These bugs makes the gameplay worse.

I enjoyed playing the game for sure, but after some time, its getting annoyed.

Because of the bugs and faults, I doubt there will be future GA games.

And even they released them, I'll not buy them.

Im not letting ripped off.

"Hey guys, sorry we couldn't fix GTA4 but we made a new game"

Thats absolute AR.

 

And what about DLC?

Another reason no future game(s).

 

But, the most annoying thing ever, is the GFWL.

If they implent it, 100% no buy.

[PTRACER]

Well it seems as though DLC is being released for the PC version when the PC version doesn't even work properly. They've got their priorities wrong.

 

If they're planning on releasing some major bug fixes with the DLC, then they should tell us instead of keeping it a secret.

[syrdax]

Nothing went wrong with MY game...

I'm not saying the game might has its issues, but honestly, there's no game in the universe that didn't need a patch or that came out perfect.

I remember "mega" games like Diablo 2, C&C, etc, they all came out with bugs. They all need (still, find out about Diablo 2) patches. Also, there aren't that many games that needed to be patched 5 times like GTA 4; problem is, that R* is trying to get the game playing on low resources/bad configured PCs.

I will keep saying it, I don't care if there's no moon or a shadow is wrong, that won't prevent me from playing the game; from my point of view, my experience, the game is not by a long shot at fault, because I've used 3 different hardware configurations and I got the game work perfectly. Yes, many people has CTD, unable to climb the helicopter, etc, but, if I don't have any of those issues, I have to think that the user is doing something wrong. And please, don't come and tell me that is R* fault for this or that. I'll keep thinking that the game is just perfect, with its little cosmetic issues.

[wesley123]

Well, Im not blaming Rockstar North.

They made the best games ever in the world.

The problem is the Rockstar Toronto.

They didnt had any effort to fix this game.

Every patch that comes out, there will be another big annoying bugs.

GTA IV PC, is the most nightmare ever for every GTA lover

when "ported" by Toronto.

The grainy weather, the light wall, no moon, pixelated shadows, lack of DX10

since most people have newer OS than XP, collisions bugs.

These bugs makes the gameplay worse.

I enjoyed playing the game for sure, but after some time, its getting annoyed.

Because of the bugs and faults, I doubt there will be future GA games.

And even they released them, I'll not buy them.

Im not letting ripped off.

"Hey guys, sorry we couldn't fix GTA4 but we made a new game"

Thats absolute AR.

 

And what about DLC?

Another reason no future game(s).

 

But, the most annoying thing ever, is the GFWL.

If they implent it, 100% no buy.

completely true, although i thought R* north ported the game?

 

Anyway, GFWL was a HUGE mistake, it only caused problems, their multiplayer sucks and the only way to implement any anti cheat is to completely outlaw modding,thank you microsoft. I have such a dislike at the GFWL that i am NEVER going to buy any GFWL game, the reason i am not buying Dirt 2 is simple, GFWL.

[TheBruceter]

Things happen with patches. You just have to learn to accept it

 

PS3 has only had the 1 patch, and that broke BdB.. a year ago..

 

sh*t happens. Ask yourself this, would you really want each patch tested to the extent that the making of IV was? That really would take a while.. As long as you's keep telling them the problems, you've got more hope of they ones being fixed.

[Murcchachosa]

Well, Im not blaming Rockstar North.

They made the best games ever in the world.

The problem is the Rockstar Toronto.

They didnt had any effort to fix this game.

Every patch that comes out, there will be another big annoying bugs.

GTA IV PC, is the most nightmare ever for every GTA lover

when "ported" by Toronto.

The grainy weather, the light wall, no moon, pixelated shadows, lack of DX10

since most people have newer OS than XP, collisions bugs.

These bugs makes the gameplay worse.

I enjoyed playing the game for sure, but after some time, its getting annoyed.

Because of the bugs and faults, I doubt there will be future GA games.

And even they released them, I'll not buy them.

Im not letting ripped off.

"Hey guys, sorry we couldn't fix GTA4 but we made a new game"

Thats absolute AR.

 

And what about DLC?

Another reason no future game(s).

 

But, the most annoying thing ever, is the GFWL.

If they implent it, 100% no buy.

completely true, although i thought R* north ported the game?

 

Anyway, GFWL was a HUGE mistake, it only caused problems, their multiplayer sucks and the only way to implement any anti cheat is to completely outlaw modding,thank you microsoft. I have such a dislike at the GFWL that i am NEVER going to buy any GFWL game, the reason i am not buying Dirt 2 is simple, GFWL.

Thank you so much for saying that Dirt2 have GFWL.

I was about to get it.

Damned, its unbelieveable that GFWL service

 

North made the game.

Toronto ported it.

The build from ground for each platform is a big lie.

Wich gamecompanies waste their time with building game for each platform

when there is port technologies?

My vote goes to North still, I enjoyed the previous games and I still love them.

However, its happened, Toronto did it and there is no way out.

And Microsoft must shut the hell up and stop using companies for making money.

$%*#

Come on, such miljardair doesnt need all the money from the world, right?

[syrdax]

 

Thank you so much for saying that Dirt2 have GFWL

 

Well I bought Dirt 2 right from the first day and I didn't even noticed GfWL. Yeah, has those achievements and all of that, but that thing didn't do anything wrong on my game. Besides, as I am already "signed" in with GTA 4, whatever game uses that thing automaticaly logs in, so no problem whatsoever.

[Murcchachosa]

Thank you so much for saying that Dirt2 have GFWL

 

Well I bought Dirt 2 right from the first day and I didn't even noticed GfWL. Yeah, has those achievements and all of that, but that thing didn't do anything wrong on my game. Besides, as I am already "signed" in with GTA 4, whatever game uses that thing automaticaly logs in, so no problem whatsoever.

Then happy for you dont have problems

 

Some us does have.

[mkey82]

already weak pc games market.

Any actual info to support this statement?

[Murcchachosa]

already weak pc games market.

Any actual info to support this statement?

Its clearfull.

Consoles have more games than PC.

Some these games are only exclusive to MS and Sony.

PC got sh*t.

Thats why the market is weak like butterbutt.

[liesofsilence]

The real problem here is spoiled 14 year old brats who don't have super computers and super detail nerd freaks who care about shadows, anti-analising and the moon. As if the whole world depends on it, just play the damn game and if you don't like it, go out and find yourself a freaking girlfriend. You disgust me.

[Murcchachosa]

 

The real problem here is spoiled 14 year old brats who don't have super computers and super detail nerd freaks who care about shadows, anti-analising and the moon. As if the whole world depends on it, just play the damn game and if you don't like it, go out and find yourself a freaking girlfriend. You disgust me.

Lol, you just assed the snail on the head.

Why you do that too instead taking a crap on a FORUM.

Its for talking and for searching girlfriend.

Seriousley, virtual dating is worse.

 

And besides that, I think you dont find it funny when companies ripped you off.

Like R* did with this amazing f*cked up game.

And I have a good laptop, decent and looked months for reviews.

All games runs very smooth, all games runs.

So whats the problem??

There is no need for such big breasted i7 Quadcores and big ass GPU.

Maybe you got your oversized PC by you nice uncle.

You want play with pixelated shadows?

If not, get your self some nerdpr0n

And 14 years??

Think most of us are 20 and older.

Look CharmingCharlie, he changed his mind and complaining too lol

No need for super computers, only NASA have them.

[DHoff]

Nothing is wrong with MY game!

[supermortalhuman]

 

Nothing is wrong with MY game!

If you are running patch 1.0.0.4, your game may run well, but there are MAJOR game-breaking graphical glitches and you can't deny it.

 

1: Cars show ped shadows under them, and Niko's shadows (because the only thing they did to add a motorcycle shadow was turn actor shadow on in vehicle - WTF

 

2: Models are floating and moving around with the camera. Go to Pegorino's house. Now stand near those lights that line the driveway. Move your camera around - see that? Now stand niko near the light and do it - see it eating Niko? This is ALL over the entire State of Liberty. See how the ground eats your lights? How about how Every Model In The Game is doing that? Yea, you walk partway through the ground depending on where you are and how you keep the camera.

 

There's more - watch my little list be confirmed and most likely added to. I am so sick of going through the models because the collision doesn't match, and because the decals on the road are even on a different rendering priority that causes them to show through vehicles.

 

There's nothing wrong with YOUR game because you probably CAN'T patch it...

[DHoff]

I can patch, but its not needed because I don't play online.

 

I have patch 1.3. But regardless I have no such problems that I can really care about to even notice. Sure all games have problems here and there, what games don't...

Edited December 7, 2009 by DHoff

[Murcchachosa]

Nothing is wrong with MY game!

If you are running patch 1.0.0.4, your game may run well, but there are MAJOR game-breaking graphical glitches and you can't deny it.

 

1: Cars show ped shadows under them, and Niko's shadows (because the only thing they did to add a motorcycle shadow was turn actor shadow on in vehicle - WTF

 

2: Models are floating and moving around with the camera. Go to Pegorino's house. Now stand near those lights that line the driveway. Move your camera around - see that? Now stand niko near the light and do it - see it eating Niko? This is ALL over the entire State of Liberty. See how the ground eats your lights? How about how Every Model In The Game is doing that? Yea, you walk partway through the ground depending on where you are and how you keep the camera.

 

There's more - watch my little list be confirmed and most likely added to. I am so sick of going through the models because the collision doesn't match, and because the decals on the road are even on a different rendering priority that causes them to show through vehicles.

 

There's nothing wrong with YOUR game because you probably CAN'T patch it...

Touché.

 

So the latest patch is the most worsest patch.

[bitte]

rockstar or gfwl wont be getting any of my money since they clearly suck at keeping a cheat free MP.

 

a big ..|.. to you both

 

 

EDIT:::

 

 

You know what the sad part about all of this is. Rockstar doesnt even have a bloody forum where we the people that pay them money cant get the proper support we want for the games we buy. GFWL got a forum but its pure sh*t and they dont do sh*t over there

Edited December 7, 2009 by bitte

[CptPusheen]

My game runs flawlessly.

[SativaHaze]

Game has got consistently better with each service pack and graphics driver/chipset update. No problems here at all. The latest service pack was the game breaker for me, I am getting 12% - 15% better performance everywhere. In fact I may cap my service packs now that everything is so stable.

[supermortalhuman]

 

My game runs flawlessly.

No, it doesn't. It may have PERFORMANCE improvements, but it has many new VISUAL flaws that were not present in prior service packs.

 

 

Game has got consistently better with each service pack and graphics driver/chipset update. No problems here at all. The latest service pack was the game breaker for me, I am getting 12% - 15% better performance everywhere. In fact I may cap my service packs now that everything is so stable.

 

Not me, it is stable and runs fast, but I want the rendering fixed, especially since future GTA's are based on this game...

 

You usually have to look at the sky just to make Niko's feet stop being submerged entirely in the models. Same goes for decals. And f*cking side-of-the-road decals are broken and cause visible breaks in geometry.

 

By moving the camera, you move geometry and it all moves in different directions and totally breaks the game world especially in terms of immersion. Shadows in cars is one thing, but there are some way worse visual bugs that, again, were not present before.

Edited December 7, 2009 by supermortalhuman

[KarinSultanRS]

Game has got consistently better with each service pack and graphics driver/chipset update. No problems here at all. The latest service pack was the game breaker for me, I am getting 12% - 15% better performance everywhere. In fact I may cap my service packs now that everything is so stable.

Again, same for me.

Niko isn't 'sinking' nor are cars.

I AM indeed using the latest patch (will provide screenshots & gameplay video if required.)

 

I have had no problems, and have also seen a performance increase.

 

Here is my DXDiag for those interested:

 

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System Information

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Time of this report: 12/7/2009, 20:28:31

Machine name: SAM-PC

Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit (6.1, Build 7600) (7600.win7_rtm.090713-1255)

Language: English (Regional Setting: English)

System Manufacturer: XFX

System Model: MB-750I-72P9

BIOS: Default System BIOS

Processor: Intel® Core2 Quad CPU Q8200 @ 2.33GHz (4 CPUs), ~2.3GHz

Memory: 4096MB RAM

Available OS Memory: 4096MB RAM

 

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Display Devices

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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260 216SP

Manufacturer: NVIDIA

Chip type: GeForce GTX 260

Display Memory: 2670 MB

Dedicated Memory: 879 MB

Shared Memory: 1791 MB

Current Mode: 1920 x 1080(i) (60.053Hz)

Monitor Name: Generic PnP Monitor

Monitor Model: 19'' TFT-TV

Native Mode: 1920 x 1080(i) (60.053Hz)

Output Type: HDMI

 

 

So what are your guy's specifications that are having problems?

[supermortalhuman]

Nope, you are Wrong. Point blank. All of the people who say they have no problems, are wrong, and need glasses. Performance may be improved, but the rendering is BROKEN on MANY levels. The streaming is JUST FINE, it's the rendering that Rockstar broke with Patch 5:

 

You are DEFINITELY experiencing this, among many other similar things all over the city.

 

You are DEFINITELY seeing decals through the tires, and through the feet, and you are DEFINITELY seeing lampposts like these ones get eaten by the ground. I am not making this sh*t up, and you are experiencing it, it is not my rig, everyone has these new problems unless they are unable to apply the patch (and hence they don't matter as thieves/non-paying players)

 

I GUARANTEE that EVERY time you watch this video, you will notice a new bug both across the street from niko and near him, ON the street when he's driving, and in multiple different cases not just the movement of things - go walk around. You Definitely have this, and you just need new contacts or glasses

 

 

 

WATCH as the road becomes HIGHER than the curb and the grass WTF

 

WATCH as the tail light has two separate shines on the road, separated by an ugly line - this is ALL OVER the ENTIRE city on the sides of roads and RUINS shadows and reflections. WTF.

 

WATCH as across the street the grass has gone almost above all the lights - you have this, and it came with the latest patch...

 

Watch many more bugs - every time I watch it, I see a new bug. I will make more videos if you want... I can reproduce this at many places... I can COMPLETELY cover ground detail models in some cases - this, again, did not occur in 1.0.4.0, and DOES occur for every legal, updated copy of the game.

 

This is "the tires don't block the writing on the parking spot" bug - it is WAY more than just a street writing issue, as you can now see in the video...

Edited December 7, 2009 by supermortalhuman

[DHoff]

Of course all game has its flaws. What else is new...

Edited December 7, 2009 by DHoff

[xxCrowTechxx]

Of course all game has its flaws. What else is new...

The amount of middle men making the problem EVEN worse. That's what's NEW!

[DHoff]

Of course all game has its flaws. What else is new...

The amount of middle men making the problem EVEN worse. That's what's NEW!

I find it funny how some want everything to be perfect.

[xxCrowTechxx]

Of course all game has its flaws. What else is new...

The amount of middle men making the problem EVEN worse. That's what's NEW!

I find it funny how some want everything to be perfect.

Less complicated you mean. BIG difference.

[supermortalhuman]

err, there is a difference between perfection and a serious bug that WASNT THERE BEFORE. HOW do you KEEP introducing NEW bugs in PATCHES? You can NOT deny that bug in the video I posted, and it effects Everything

[DHoff]

Well we all know there is problems with the game ie textures building reappearing etc.