leik oh em jeez! Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 I just got this Dell LCD off of Craigs List for $35, it was supposed to be working. The first time I plugged it up, no matter what I did, it would just turn on and off. It would stay off for about ten seconds, then it would turn on. The second the backlight turned on, it would go back off again. I plugged it up once more today. Now it's off when I plug it in. So I turn it on, and it works 100% perfect for two seconds, and then the screen shuts off, but the power light stays on. Everytime a new signal is detected, it will come on for two more seconds. So booting up Windows, it's on for 2 seconds on the mobo splash screen, on for two seconds on the XP loading screen, and comes on one final time for the logon screen, then goes blank once more. When this happens, looking at it, (the screen appears to be off while the power LED is on) in the correct lighting, and when holding the monitor at some EXACT viewing angle (about 55 degrees up from straight on) I am able to just barely make out the highlighted option on the OSD, which I can't even really see unless I scroll through the options. I would assume that the backlight is off, but even then I would think It'd be a little brighter. I figured that the inverter might be bad, and found a replacement for $40. This monitor is a Dell E173FPc 17" Fullscreen LCD. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/434273-problem-with-dell-lcd/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyphonPayne Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 Sounds like you got ripped off. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/434273-problem-with-dell-lcd/?do=findComment&comment=1059663924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leik oh em jeez! Posted December 1, 2009 Author Share Posted December 1, 2009 Sounds like you got ripped off. Well I know that much. I already emailed the guy back. I know his full name, where he goes to school, and what he drives. Either he'll pay to fix it, or I'll spray paint his car as I see fit and slash his tires. Maybe then he'll stop ripping people off. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/434273-problem-with-dell-lcd/?do=findComment&comment=1059663927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otter Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 (edited) PM me. I don't know 100%, but I may have a spare. I'll know more in the next week or so, but I don't use it very often. Sucks you got ripped off - be a bit more wary in the future. In the meanwhile, tell the guy you're not happy at all and you want your f*cking money back. Additionally, you could try this guy's fix. Why not? If it doesn't work, you can still give it back to the douche who ripped you off. Edited December 1, 2009 by Otter Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/434273-problem-with-dell-lcd/?do=findComment&comment=1059663945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cursed Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 Yeah, get him to pay for it. It was basically DOA so it isn't your responsability. I have a lovely Packard Bell 15" LCD if you want ... Or not Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/434273-problem-with-dell-lcd/?do=findComment&comment=1059663989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slamman Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 (edited) If the backlight come on more then once, and everything looks good, it's a wire break, I'd say, disruption in the electrical path, if a part is failing, the video becomes an issue, so the flex cable is suspect, but more so, perhaps the inverter or terminals plugged into that are not as good as they should be. Also, in cases where I do that repair, I check the ribbon cable interconnects and the connect at the end to the graphics board/mobo IMHO, an inverter should be very affordable, and $40 is not affordable. The ones I priced are for the C series Dell 14.1 inch, so that may be why, but try and find one as cheap as you can, parts like inverters and backlights I've seen sold, as well, ribbon/flex cable for the video, but rarely the various screen sub-assemblies, including the glass. Hell, I should say, you may not find them sold at all! Edited December 1, 2009 by Slamman Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/434273-problem-with-dell-lcd/?do=findComment&comment=1059664062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzy Fozborne Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 So you got a 100 to 150ish dollar monitor for $35 and you're surprised it doesn't work? The phrase is what? Too good to be true? or there's a sucker born every moment? Anyway, to add something actually useful to this topic: from what I've seen online it's to do with a broken capacitor. Try this: unplug your monitor, wait a day (to let any extra electricity drain from said capacitors and anything else containing electricity in it) then open it up to check for any obvious damage. Provided you ground yourself first and don't go poking around you really can't hurt anything and might prevent buying a new power inverter. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/434273-problem-with-dell-lcd/?do=findComment&comment=1059665513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pico Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 $35 isn't that low. It really depends on how old and used the monitor is, I'd say. I wouldn't sell my 19" for more than $50 I'd say, seeing as it's almost 3 years old now. And I can't blame you for being pissed at the dude. Slashing his tires might be a bit severe though man, it was only $35, tires are a good couple hundred. Spray paint is ok I guess seeing as it's still drivable after that. Just throw brake fluid all over his car! That'll learn him. Does he have your info at all? My guess is at most your email? Attach a nice little note for telling him how much of a dick head he is. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/434273-problem-with-dell-lcd/?do=findComment&comment=1059665565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otter Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 So you got a 100 to 150ish dollar monitor for $35 and you're surprised it doesn't work? The phrase is what? Too good to be true? or there's a sucker born every moment? I actually bought two of them last year for 25 a pop. You can't look a good deal in the mouth just because it's good. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/434273-problem-with-dell-lcd/?do=findComment&comment=1059665576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leik oh em jeez! Posted December 2, 2009 Author Share Posted December 2, 2009 So you got a 100 to 150ish dollar monitor for $35 and you're surprised it doesn't work? The phrase is what? Too good to be true? or there's a sucker born every moment? Anyway, to add something actually useful to this topic: from what I've seen online it's to do with a broken capacitor. Try this: unplug your monitor, wait a day (to let any extra electricity drain from said capacitors and anything else containing electricity in it) then open it up to check for any obvious damage. Provided you ground yourself first and don't go poking around you really can't hurt anything and might prevent buying a new power inverter. How is a five (nearly six) year old 17" $100-150 when a new 22" can be had for $130? $100 if you know where to look and don't mind it being slightly used. It's one of the low-end Dell LCDs that there are a billion of. It's worth about $45-50. And Picolini, he has my first and last name, and e-mail. And if he rippied me off, then he's most likely ripping other people off. I want to make sure he's not going to even consider ripping anyone else off. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/434273-problem-with-dell-lcd/?do=findComment&comment=1059665584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slamman Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 So you got a 100 to 150ish dollar monitor for $35 and you're surprised it doesn't work? The phrase is what? Too good to be true? or there's a sucker born every moment? I actually bought two of them last year for 25 a pop. You can't look a good deal in the mouth just because it's good. Right, some deals far and few between, but keep looking, I scored one under $40 with shipping, the C series Latitudes! Depends, of course, the C600~C640 and other Latitude models that go back to Pentium 3 era, they are comparable size wise to some newer screens, but there is a quality difference, and sadly, most people will charge $100 to $400 on just a screen. Most hover around $100, but that is too much if you're looking for a bargain. Dell doesn't make the actual LCD panels, BTW....but they are highly rated, reviewed, and used. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/434273-problem-with-dell-lcd/?do=findComment&comment=1059666352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzy Fozborne Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 (edited) How about this: 8 bucks with shipping for a power inverter/logic board repair kit. It says it will fix "No Display, Display dark, No Picture on screen but Power Indicate light stays on green, power light flash on and off. And no power." Oh and $100-150 was established by having a peek at google shopping... some companies are charging up to $200 for a used one of your monitors... just saying. Edited December 2, 2009 by Fozzy Fozborne Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/434273-problem-with-dell-lcd/?do=findComment&comment=1059666386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leik oh em jeez! Posted December 2, 2009 Author Share Posted December 2, 2009 How about this: 8 bucks with shipping for a power inverter/logic board repair kit. It says it will fix "No Display, Display dark, No Picture on screen but Power Indicate light stays on green, power light flash on and off. And no power." Thanks. I'll look into that. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/434273-problem-with-dell-lcd/?do=findComment&comment=1059666410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf68k Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 How about this: 8 bucks with shipping for a power inverter/logic board repair kit. It says it will fix "No Display, Display dark, No Picture on screen but Power Indicate light stays on green, power light flash on and off. And no power." Oh and $100-150 was established by having a peek at google shopping... some companies are charging up to $200 for a used one of your monitors... just saying. Nice. Find me one for a CHIMEI CMV 221D Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/434273-problem-with-dell-lcd/?do=findComment&comment=1059666598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzy Fozborne Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 Well, if you have a blown capacitor, here's the list and physical measurements of all the caps in the CMV-221D: 1 x 22µF - 50V Brown 5mm x 12mm x 2mm 3 x 220µF - 25V Black 8mm x 12.5mm x 3.5mm 1 x 330µF - 25V Green 8mm x 14.75mm x 3.5mm 1 x 1000µF - 10V Green 10mm x 16.5mm x 5mm 2 x 1000µF - 25V Black 10mm x 21mm x 5mm 1 x 2200µF - 10V Black 13mm x 20mm x 5mm I'm not sure if that helps... Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/434273-problem-with-dell-lcd/?do=findComment&comment=1059666738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf68k Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 Yeah I found that forum topic too doing a Google search. However I can't solder to save my life. But so far my choices are; buy a new monitor, solder a bunch of capacitors, or something along these lines Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/434273-problem-with-dell-lcd/?do=findComment&comment=1059666806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pico Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 So you got a 100 to 150ish dollar monitor for $35 and you're surprised it doesn't work? The phrase is what? Too good to be true? or there's a sucker born every moment? Anyway, to add something actually useful to this topic: from what I've seen online it's to do with a broken capacitor. Try this: unplug your monitor, wait a day (to let any extra electricity drain from said capacitors and anything else containing electricity in it) then open it up to check for any obvious damage. Provided you ground yourself first and don't go poking around you really can't hurt anything and might prevent buying a new power inverter. How is a five (nearly six) year old 17" $100-150 when a new 22" can be had for $130? $100 if you know where to look and don't mind it being slightly used. It's one of the low-end Dell LCDs that there are a billion of. It's worth about $45-50. And Picolini, he has my first and last name, and e-mail. And if he rippied me off, then he's most likely ripping other people off. I want to make sure he's not going to even consider ripping anyone else off. Well then just do it incognito if you want revenge. The thing is though, he won't get the point because he won't know why it happened. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/434273-problem-with-dell-lcd/?do=findComment&comment=1059666934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leik oh em jeez! Posted December 3, 2009 Author Share Posted December 3, 2009 So you got a 100 to 150ish dollar monitor for $35 and you're surprised it doesn't work? The phrase is what? Too good to be true? or there's a sucker born every moment? Anyway, to add something actually useful to this topic: from what I've seen online it's to do with a broken capacitor. Try this: unplug your monitor, wait a day (to let any extra electricity drain from said capacitors and anything else containing electricity in it) then open it up to check for any obvious damage. Provided you ground yourself first and don't go poking around you really can't hurt anything and might prevent buying a new power inverter. How is a five (nearly six) year old 17" $100-150 when a new 22" can be had for $130? $100 if you know where to look and don't mind it being slightly used. It's one of the low-end Dell LCDs that there are a billion of. It's worth about $45-50. And Picolini, he has my first and last name, and e-mail. And if he rippied me off, then he's most likely ripping other people off. I want to make sure he's not going to even consider ripping anyone else off. Well then just do it incognito if you want revenge. The thing is though, he won't get the point because he won't know why it happened. Well, we exchanged a few e-mails, and I'm still waiting on one last reply. How much of a dick he is about it decides how much damage I do. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/434273-problem-with-dell-lcd/?do=findComment&comment=1059667184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slamman Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 I'm also waiting for sales replies via email, it's why I've been actively killing time here, before the holiday I had a few inquiries, and my hope was up. The native display for LCD is capped around 22 inches if memory serves... I was told the jump in price beyond that is because of the native restriction. If you check Joe Kane's site, I think he mentioned something on that. My main desktop sizes have been below 20 inch, and 17 on a laptop is fairly large in my book, I can see them charging more for it on size along, but what is most desired is UWXGA, where it's Ultra spec, Widescreen XGA support in resolution. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/434273-problem-with-dell-lcd/?do=findComment&comment=1059668002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf68k Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 The native display for LCD is capped around 22 inches if memory serves... I was told the jump in price beyond that is because of the native restriction. If you check Joe Kane's site, I think he mentioned something on that. What the sam hell does that even mean? Never mind who ever the hell Joe Kane is and why we should care or why you think everyone knows who the hell he is. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/434273-problem-with-dell-lcd/?do=findComment&comment=1059668195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leik oh em jeez! Posted December 3, 2009 Author Share Posted December 3, 2009 The native display for LCD is capped around 22 inches if memory serves... I was told the jump in price beyond that is because of the native restriction. If you check Joe Kane's site, I think he mentioned something on that. What the sam hell does that even mean? Never mind who ever the hell Joe Kane is and why we should care or why you think everyone knows who the hell he is. It's better to not make sense but stay on topic than make sense while going off topic. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/434273-problem-with-dell-lcd/?do=findComment&comment=1059668240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otter Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 The native display for LCD is capped around 22 inches if memory serves... I was told the jump in price beyond that is because of the native restriction. If you check Joe Kane's site, I think he mentioned something on that. What the sam hell does that even mean? Never mind who ever the hell Joe Kane is and why we should care or why you think everyone knows who the hell he is. It's better to not make sense but stay on topic than make sense while going off topic. I respectfully disagree. Quit sticking up for the plague, man. Anyhow, I found this step by step guide to replacing the inverter - have a look. I meant to post it earlier, but I guess I forgot to paste. http://syscon.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/del...cklight-repair/ Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/434273-problem-with-dell-lcd/?do=findComment&comment=1059668261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Democrab Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 The native display for LCD is capped around 22 inches if memory serves... I was told the jump in price beyond that is because of the native restriction. If you check Joe Kane's site, I think he mentioned something on that. What the sam hell does that even mean? Never mind who ever the hell Joe Kane is and why we should care or why you think everyone knows who the hell he is. It's better to not make sense but stay on topic than make sense while going off topic. He was only on topic in that we're in a topic about LCD screens... Which isn't really on topic anyway. This should help the OP a bit. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/434273-problem-with-dell-lcd/?do=findComment&comment=1059668797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slamman Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 I'm only "Joe Kane", If you were ever a Vidiot, er, Videophile, you might have come across or heard of Joe Kane's Video Essentials?? He's only one of the top tech gurus preaching the gospel of goodly video performance. I had asked why there was a price leap after you go beyond 20 inch LCD, and that's what I was told, it's based on the native display range. Just a fun little FYI. ...they locked my Laser Disc thread too, dammit Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/434273-problem-with-dell-lcd/?do=findComment&comment=1059669122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leik oh em jeez! Posted December 19, 2009 Author Share Posted December 19, 2009 Just an update. I bought that repair kit. It isn't the Inverter, it's just a capacitor and a sheet of paper telling you where to put it. To my short time of disbelief, replacing the capacitor worked. Upon closer inspection, I noticed that the old capacitor was slightly bulged out at the top. Now debating on if I should seek revenge on the guy that sold the monitor to me. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/434273-problem-with-dell-lcd/?do=findComment&comment=1059694158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
poopskin Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 On the subject of monitors, why does everyone like widescreen so much? wouldn't it make more sense to make larger standard resolution monitors? Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/434273-problem-with-dell-lcd/?do=findComment&comment=1059694224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otter Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 On the subject of monitors, why does everyone like widescreen so much? wouldn't it make more sense to make larger standard resolution monitors? A little off topic here, but have you ever worked with a widescreen monitor? I prefer 16:9 - you just have more space. Honestly, I used to have a dual setup, but after getting a large, widescreen LCD, there's no need. More space, and better use of the space. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/434273-problem-with-dell-lcd/?do=findComment&comment=1059694278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
poopskin Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 I have a widescreen, i just wondered because it seemed like one of those things that never made sense to me. sure, more horizontal space but less vertical space. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/434273-problem-with-dell-lcd/?do=findComment&comment=1059694337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slamman Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 (edited) Widescreen is the way of the future, son, step on over with us! Many people argued the merits for home viewing, but it's largely because of cinema and the way movies are presented. TV just followed suit. Think of it in terms of the way Panavision and 35MM film is shot in anamorphic. To reprocess for 4:3 screens and the like is extra work that needn't be done to get a pristine WS presentation, now in digital, the black bars take up no extra data as they did in the early days. A matted image, for example. I buy used LCDs as well, and I'd say stay in the $50 range as best you can, $100 for LCDs and batteries I shun, I paid $50 for a Universal battery charger, the thing is made in China, out of cheap plastic! I suspect possible voltage issues will shut down operation, in many respects. One thing I think would be causing erratic displays is just a fluxuation in the current to the various components. Good you found one cap replacement worked, leaking ones I was discussing with regard to the Pentium 4 board, long before that, VCRs and camcorders were at risk from leaking Electrolytics, AKA those tiny silver board mounted capacitors Edited December 20, 2009 by Slamman Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/434273-problem-with-dell-lcd/?do=findComment&comment=1059695265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
poopskin Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 As i said, i DO use widescreens, but i'm just wondering WHY. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/434273-problem-with-dell-lcd/?do=findComment&comment=1059695480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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