Is GTA a crime video game or not?

[DoubleOGJohnson]

I cant tell on this site. Because Im seeing alot of dudes say that they dont want the next GTA in Chicago because of petty reasons such as the look of the game being similar to LC. Yall act like GTA has to follow up a grey city with a sunny city and ignore a place like Chicago that has the CRIME elements needed. Are you going to ignore Chicago's crime statistics in favor of going to another location with LESS crime just because its sunnier? Screw that, GTA is a crime video game. With Chicago you get political corruption storylines, and original gangs, etc. If you watch "Gangland" on the history channel, half of their shows were on Chicago gangs. Plus all of those gangs are original, meaning that the next GTA gangs if it is in Chicago, wouldnt have to be based on Blood and Crip rip off gangs. Because in GTAIV, MOB and the Holland Hustlers were base off of the fake wannabe Bloods and Crips in New York. A GTA Chicago would have completely fresh and unique gangs that wont have to be modeled after Blood/Crips. Yall keep naming Vice City, but Miami is just as filled with wannabe gangs as New York. All the major national gangs in America come from LA and Chicago.

 

And when you go back to San Andreas, some of GSF/Ballas had Chicago elements like how the Grove Street ped with the jersey wore his hats backwards with the brim tilted to the leftside, which is a Chicago gang thing. He wore his hat exactly how I used to tilt my hat to the left to show affiliation when I was younger. And if you also noticed, the guy with the bandana on his head, always let his bunny knots hang to the left, and if CJ bought a hat, the game only had the option of tilting his hat to the left. (Notice how they never let CJ wear his hat to the right) All of that was influenced by Chicago gangs. Also if you look at the grafitti of one of the Ballas gangs, you'll see that the "S" in Ballas is drawn like a number "5", and if you look closely, you can see a pitchfork going through the S/5. Both the number 5 and pitchfork are from Chicago gangs.

 

Now if you go back to GTAIV, the Spanish Lords are based on a gang that came from Chicago and later spread all over to places like New York, the Latin Kings. And in Chicago, theres an actual gang called the "Spanish Lords" by coincidence too. So all Rockstar would have to do for the next GTA, is create a rendition of Chicago, and create a storyline where it is explained that the fake Chicago rendition is the place where the Spanish Lords from GTAIV originated from. The original Spanish Lords could be featured in a Chicago GTA, along with fake gangs based on real Chicago gangs like the Gangster Disciples, Vice Lords, Black P. Stones, Black Disciples, Four Corner Hustlers, Maniac Latin Disciples etc.

Edited November 26, 2009 by DoubleOGJohnson

[damian001]

Hey, your idea is so great, let's make the next 5 GTA games based on Chicago ONLY.

[supermortalhuman]

GTA is, as stated by Dan Houser, more about the media portrayal of the things it covers than anything else.

 

Crime is only really one small part of it, even though the small part is the gameplay. The majority of what there is to experience in GTA revolves around criticism of American media.

[CryptReaperDorian]

I definately agree with you about gangs. Crips and Bloods are pathetic when compared to gangs in Chicago. There you have the Folks Nation and Peoples Nation (I forgot which one is the left-tilt style and which one is the right-tilt style). I would definately love a GTA in Chicago, mainly around St. Patrick's Day for different types of atmospheres.

[Clem Fandango]

That's why they should definetly do Chigaco - at some point.

[TheBruceter]

GTA is, as stated by Dan Houser, more about the media portrayal of the things it covers than anything else.

 

Crime is only really one small part of it, even though the small part is the gameplay. The majority of what there is to experience in GTA revolves around criticism of American media.

You need to stop saying that.. lol

 

If they took out the advertisements and pisstakes, the game would still be GTA.

 

If they took out the cars, crime, gangs, cops and weapons, the game certainly wouldn't be GTA.

[BrownBear]

could be good

but i really want to go abroad now

london in particular

[Jabalous]

The thing that makes me wondering is why do some countries prevent Manhunt 2 unlike allowing SAW movie which is the ugliest and bloodiest movie I have ever seen ?

 

By the way , I don't say that they should prevent SAW , no , I am fan of SAW movie and Manhunt game .

[maxopower]

GTA is, as stated by Dan Houser, more about the media portrayal of the things it covers than anything else.

 

Crime is only really one small part of it, even though the small part is the gameplay. The majority of what there is to experience in GTA revolves around criticism of American media.

You need to stop saying that.. lol

 

If they took out the advertisements and pisstakes, the game would still be GTA.

 

If they took out the cars, crime, gangs, cops and weapons, the game certainly wouldn't be GTA.

No, if they took out the advertisements and pisstakes, the game would be Saints Row.

 

If they took out the cars, crime, gangs, cops and weapons, the game would still be GTA, with urban exploring, a good story, a colourful characters pallet and that special spark that make the series stand apart from the rest of the gaming world (prostitutes, haha)

 

But it all depends on how you are playing the game. Houser(Jesus of the gamers) ones said, that he makes games for a very wide audience, he puts coops, cars and explosions in the games for some part audience, story and evolving character, for other. It’s the same reason that you always have been allowed to skip the cut scenes.

 

[TheBruceter]

No, if they took out the advertisements and pisstakes, the game would be Saints Row.

 

I can't remember this far back, but GTA - GTA 2, did they have all the piss taking, adverts etc? As far as i remember, they didn't, so its still gonna be GTA.

 

SR is an immatation of GTA, not the other way about. No matter how many sandbox games there will be out there, GTA will be the best, and that would be with them ripping out all this 'American media' garbage that smh is going on about..

 

Aye your right about the game being created for a wide audience, but remember how it started. Not adverts and no cars/cops, its the other way about. Which got me playing all they years ago, till now.

 

Its one of the reasons i get pissed off at all these SA donkeys. The game has always been the same. Steal a car, kill people, cops on you, mayhem So if there was non eof that, but only 'American Media', we'd be stuck watching something, rather than playing GTA.

[maxopower]

It’s very hard to compare GTA 1-GTA 2 and GTA III-GTA IV , the whole series was change by the lance of GTAIII, and it was not only the 2d to 3d thing, it was the whole them of the series, and the review as well (GTA2=70% GTAIII=97% )

[tjawzy]

Chicago would be good. After London, Chicago is the best candidate for the next gta setting

[TheBruceter]

mmm, not really.. well to me anyways, i'v played most GTA's and the basics are the same. Freeroam with the choice to do missions or not. IV is a major step up with online play.

 

And the 2d - 3d is false. All GTA games have been 3d, just the older ones were top down view supposedly. Reviews.. 2 prob was the worst reviewed one. The very first one would be at teh very least 85%?

 

Still say the mesdia ain't the fundemental part of the game. But the cops and cars are

[maxopower]

I know it isn’t 2d-3d but “top down”- “3rd person”, but you get the point.

 

 

mmm, not really.. well to me anyways, i'v played most GTA's and the basics are the same.

 

Sandbox/Freeroam coops and explosions is the game play, and no that hasn’t changed, but the basics, the theme of the whole game have.

 

GTA1-GTA2, meaningless violence and lots of fun.

 

GTAIII-GTAIV media satire, like “The Daily Show” only good, and lots of fun.

 

 

2 prob was the worst reviewed one. The very first one would be at teh very least 85%?

 

• GTA 1

  Gamespot 6.4

  IGN 6.0

   

   

• GTA2

  Gamespot 6.8

  IGN 7.3

[DanManUtd]

If there were to be another street gang-based GTA, then I agree, Chicago would be the place to go

[Akavari]

dude the only thing gangs provide the game with are missions really. I mean I'm sick of the city, i'd rather be in a different looking environment to take a break from the stressful concrete jungle that was Liberty City. i wanna drive fast on open roads away from civilization and traffic once in awhile, climb to the tops of bigass mountains, and swim with dolphins (jk). In places like NYC and Chicago i mean they have some cool looking buildings and everything but it's all generally the same crap on every street and block.

[zeppelincheetah]

I'd much prefer Chicago to Vice City. To me GTA is less about media satire than it is about crime. If you took out the media satire it wouldn't make it like Saint's Row because Saint's Row doesn't have the superior skillz at making a living, breathing city that the guys at Rockstar North have. The media satire actually started from the beginning, as both GTA and GTA 2 had radio stations. GTA 1 made fun of different genres of music, while GTA 2 had the first noticeable DJ's. But, if there were to be a GTA in Chicago of course it would still have the media satire along with the crime and living, breathing world. Personally I think Rockstar's getting worse and worse at media satire. GTA III was perfect, GTA LCS and San Andreas were great, the others.... not so much.

[maxopower]

 

If you took out the media satire it wouldn't make it like Saint's Row because Saint's Row doesn't have the superior skillz at making a living, breathing city that the guys at Rockstar North have.

 

 

You said it your self “living breathing city” It’s the amusing pedestrian phone conversations, the ironic billboards, the all knowing DJ’s, the ignorant news reporters, the hysterical yet comforting and nub reports about serial killers, the too-cool-for-school teen-adults of Manhattan, the distend tai chi and yoga instructors and the much important relaxed minorities, every stereotype from the greedy jewel Jew to smoking high Jamaicans, who rule the town. That make Liberty city a living city, Liberty city would still breathe if you removed the weapons and the explosions . But the city would die if you removed the satire, it would be just another Stilwater (saint row city (proud to say that I had to google the name))

 

 

[supermortalhuman]

 

GTA is, as stated by Dan Houser, more about the media portrayal of the things it covers than anything else.

 

Crime is only really one small part of it, even though the small part is the gameplay. The majority of what there is to experience in GTA revolves around criticism of American media.

You need to stop saying that.. lol

 

If they took out the advertisements and pisstakes, the game would still be GTA.

 

If they took out the cars, crime, gangs, cops and weapons, the game certainly wouldn't be GTA.

I believe the utter opposite of what you said.

 

If they took out all the stuff it would just be an action shooter.

 

 

You said it your self “living breathing city” It’s the amusing pedestrian phone conversations, the ironic billboards, the all knowing DJ’s, the ignorant news reporters, the hysterical yet comforting and nub reports about serial killers, the too-cool-for-school teen-adults of Manhattan, the distend tai chi and yoga instructors and the much important relaxed minorities, every stereotype from the greedy jewel Jew to smoking high Jamaicans, who rule the town. That make Liberty city a living city, Liberty city would still breathe if you removed the weapons and the explosions . But the city would die if you removed the satire, it would be just another Stilwater (saint row city (proud to say that I had to google the name))

 

HE speaks fact.

 

Bruceter, not to be a dick or anything, but the more you talk about GTA the less you seem to know about it - or it just seems like you disagree with me for the sake of disagreement. Cause as you can see, GTA is less about crime than the whole rest of the shabam. Crime is just the missions, SOME of the story, that's it. It isn't what makes GTA, GTA.

Edited November 26, 2009 by supermortalhuman

[najtrows]

GTA is of course the media satire. And with that i mean THE WHOLE CITY.

 

I mean come on! every ad is funny, every name has some fun hint to something IRL.

I don't appreciate the whole "its all about killing whores" thing. Because those players are the ones making people notice things and making them wanna ban sh*t.

 

And no, i would not like a city as similar to NYC as Chicago (oh no he didnt? yea he did)

A change of scenery would make this game what it deserves, if they make something to similar to IV they will lose alot of players.

[dragmetolibertycity]

I cant tell on this site. Because Im seeing alot of dudes say that they dont want the next GTA in Chicago because of petty reasons such as the look of the game being similar to LC. Yall act like GTA has to follow up a grey city with a sunny city and ignore a place like Chicago that has the CRIME elements needed. Are you going to ignore Chicago's crime statistics in favor of going to another location with LESS crime just because its sunnier? Screw that, GTA is a crime video game. With Chicago you get political corruption storylines, and original gangs, etc. If you watch "Gangland" on the history channel, half of their shows were on Chicago gangs. Plus all of those gangs are original, meaning that the next GTA gangs if it is in Chicago, wouldnt have to be based on Blood and Crip rip off gangs. Because in GTAIV, MOB and the Holland Hustlers were base off of the fake wannabe Bloods and Crips in New York. A GTA Chicago would have completely fresh and unique gangs that wont have to be modeled after Blood/Crips. Yall keep naming Vice City, but Miami is just as filled with wannabe gangs as New York. All the major national gangs in America come from LA and Chicago.

 

And when you go back to San Andreas, some of GSF/Ballas had Chicago elements like how the Grove Street ped with the jersey wore his hats backwards with the brim tilted to the leftside, which is a Chicago gang thing. He wore his hat exactly how I used to tilt my hat to the left to show affiliation when I was younger. And if you also noticed, the guy with the bandana on his head, always let his bunny knots hang to the left, and if CJ bought a hat, the game only had the option of tilting his hat to the left. (Notice how they never let CJ wear his hat to the right) All of that was influenced by Chicago gangs. Also if you look at the grafitti of one of the Ballas gangs, you'll see that the "S" in Ballas is drawn like a number "5", and if you look closely, you can see a pitchfork going through the S/5. Both the number 5 and pitchfork are from Chicago gangs.

 

Now if you go back to GTAIV, the Spanish Lords are based on a gang that came from Chicago and later spread all over to places like New York, the Latin Kings. And in Chicago, theres an actual gang called the "Spanish Lords" by coincidence too. So all Rockstar would have to do for the next GTA, is create a rendition of Chicago, and create a storyline where it is explained that the fake Chicago rendition is the place where the Spanish Lords from GTAIV originated from. The original Spanish Lords could be featured in a Chicago GTA, along with fake gangs based on real Chicago gangs like the Gangster Disciples, Vice Lords, Black P. Stones, Black Disciples, Four Corner Hustlers, Maniac Latin Disciples etc.

The crime rate of a city doesn't matter. Why? because GTA cities are not real, only based on real cities. New York has lowered their crime rates significantly in the last five years but hey in the GTA world, LC is ruled by organized crime. The atmosphere of Chicago is too similar to NY.

[dragmetolibertycity]

Cause as you can see, GTA is less about crime than the whole rest of the shabam. Crime is just the missions, SOME of the story, that's it. It isn't what makes GTA, GTA.

This is where most GTA knockoffs fail.

[fastdriver]

 

I cant tell on this site. Because Im seeing alot of dudes say that they dont want the next GTA in Chicago because of petty reasons such as the look of the game being similar to LC. Yall act like GTA has to follow up a grey city with a sunny city and ignore a place like Chicago that has the CRIME elements needed. Are you going to ignore Chicago's crime statistics in favor of going to another location with LESS crime just because its sunnier? Screw that, GTA is a crime video game. With Chicago you get political corruption storylines, and original gangs, etc. If you watch "Gangland" on the history channel, half of their shows were on Chicago gangs. Plus all of those gangs are original, meaning that the next GTA gangs if it is in Chicago, wouldnt have to be based on Blood and Crip rip off gangs. Because in GTAIV, MOB and the Holland Hustlers were base off of the fake wannabe Bloods and Crips in New York. A GTA Chicago would have completely fresh and unique gangs that wont have to be modeled after Blood/Crips. Yall keep naming Vice City, but Miami is just as filled with wannabe gangs as New York. All the major national gangs in America come from LA and Chicago.

 

And when you go back to San Andreas, some of GSF/Ballas had Chicago elements like how the Grove Street ped with the jersey wore his hats backwards with the brim tilted to the leftside, which is a Chicago gang thing. He wore his hat exactly how I used to tilt my hat to the left to show affiliation when I was younger. And if you also noticed, the guy with the bandana on his head, always let his bunny knots hang to the left, and if CJ bought a hat, the game only had the option of tilting his hat to the left. (Notice how they never let CJ wear his hat to the right) All of that was influenced by Chicago gangs. Also if you look at the grafitti of one of the Ballas gangs, you'll see that the "S" in Ballas is drawn like a number "5", and if you look closely, you can see a pitchfork going through the S/5. Both the number 5 and pitchfork are from Chicago gangs.

 

Now if you go back to GTAIV, the Spanish Lords are based on a gang that came from Chicago and later spread all over to places like New York, the Latin Kings. And in Chicago, theres an actual gang called the "Spanish Lords" by coincidence too. So all Rockstar would have to do for the next GTA, is create a rendition of Chicago, and create a storyline where it is explained that the fake Chicago rendition is the place where the Spanish Lords from GTAIV originated from. The original Spanish Lords could be featured in a Chicago GTA, along with fake gangs based on real Chicago gangs like the Gangster Disciples, Vice Lords, Black P. Stones, Black Disciples, Four Corner Hustlers, Maniac Latin Disciples etc.

I agree, and you have some great points on Chicago crime. I would LOVE to see Chicago in V, because we've never experienced it in ANY GTA game, screw Vice City, we already had VC and VCS, time for a new city guys!

[Sergi]

I cant tell on this site. Because Im seeing alot of dudes say that they dont want the next GTA in Chicago because of petty reasons such as the look of the game being similar to LC. Yall act like GTA has to follow up a grey city with a sunny city and ignore a place like Chicago that has the CRIME elements needed. Are you going to ignore Chicago's crime statistics in favor of going to another location with LESS crime just because its sunnier? Screw that, GTA is a crime video game. With Chicago you get political corruption storylines, and original gangs, etc. If you watch "Gangland" on the history channel, half of their shows were on Chicago gangs. Plus all of those gangs are original, meaning that the next GTA gangs if it is in Chicago, wouldnt have to be based on Blood and Crip rip off gangs. Because in GTAIV, MOB and the Holland Hustlers were base off of the fake wannabe Bloods and Crips in New York. A GTA Chicago would have completely fresh and unique gangs that wont have to be modeled after Blood/Crips. Yall keep naming Vice City, but Miami is just as filled with wannabe gangs as New York. All the major national gangs in America come from LA and Chicago.

 

And when you go back to San Andreas, some of GSF/Ballas had Chicago elements like how the Grove Street ped with the jersey wore his hats backwards with the brim tilted to the leftside, which is a Chicago gang thing. He wore his hat exactly how I used to tilt my hat to the left to show affiliation when I was younger. And if you also noticed, the guy with the bandana on his head, always let his bunny knots hang to the left, and if CJ bought a hat, the game only had the option of tilting his hat to the left. (Notice how they never let CJ wear his hat to the right) All of that was influenced by Chicago gangs. Also if you look at the grafitti of one of the Ballas gangs, you'll see that the "S" in Ballas is drawn like a number "5", and if you look closely, you can see a pitchfork going through the S/5. Both the number 5 and pitchfork are from Chicago gangs.

 

Now if you go back to GTAIV, the Spanish Lords are based on a gang that came from Chicago and later spread all over to places like New York, the Latin Kings. And in Chicago, theres an actual gang called the "Spanish Lords" by coincidence too. So all Rockstar would have to do for the next GTA, is create a rendition of Chicago, and create a storyline where it is explained that the fake Chicago rendition is the place where the Spanish Lords from GTAIV originated from. The original Spanish Lords could be featured in a Chicago GTA, along with fake gangs based on real Chicago gangs like the Gangster Disciples, Vice Lords, Black P. Stones, Black Disciples, Four Corner Hustlers, Maniac Latin Disciples etc.

The crime rate of a city doesn't matter. Why? because GTA cities are not real, only based on real cities. New York has lowered their crime rates significantly in the last five years but hey in the GTA world, LC is ruled by organized crime. The atmosphere of Chicago is too similar to NY.

And your statement proves you must have never been to Chicago a day in your life. Chicago is a very much different city from New York. The atmosphere is also nothing alike. They have similarities yes but that's it and just because they have a few similarities doesn't mean a game shouldn't and couldn't be set there. That's why I think R* needs to really be creative which is something imo they haven't been in years and create entirely original cities or states from scratch where they can have it any way they want or make a area based on numerous areas akin to III LC instead of having a basis on 1 specific city. If they did that all that bs about areas being to similar would be thrown out the window.

[Volt Krueger]

I cant tell on this site. Because Im seeing alot of dudes say that they dont want the next GTA in Chicago because of petty reasons such as the look of the game being similar to LC. Yall act like GTA has to follow up a grey city with a sunny city and ignore a place like Chicago that has the CRIME elements needed. Are you going to ignore Chicago's crime statistics in favor of going to another location with LESS crime just because its sunnier? Screw that, GTA is a crime video game. With Chicago you get political corruption storylines, and original gangs, etc. If you watch "Gangland" on the history channel, half of their shows were on Chicago gangs. Plus all of those gangs are original, meaning that the next GTA gangs if it is in Chicago, wouldnt have to be based on Blood and Crip rip off gangs. Because in GTAIV, MOB and the Holland Hustlers were base off of the fake wannabe Bloods and Crips in New York. A GTA Chicago would have completely fresh and unique gangs that wont have to be modeled after Blood/Crips. Yall keep naming Vice City, but Miami is just as filled with wannabe gangs as New York. All the major national gangs in America come from LA and Chicago.

 

And when you go back to San Andreas, some of GSF/Ballas had Chicago elements like how the Grove Street ped with the jersey wore his hats backwards with the brim tilted to the leftside, which is a Chicago gang thing. He wore his hat exactly how I used to tilt my hat to the left to show affiliation when I was younger. And if you also noticed, the guy with the bandana on his head, always let his bunny knots hang to the left, and if CJ bought a hat, the game only had the option of tilting his hat to the left. (Notice how they never let CJ wear his hat to the right) All of that was influenced by Chicago gangs. Also if you look at the grafitti of one of the Ballas gangs, you'll see that the "S" in Ballas is drawn like a number "5", and if you look closely, you can see a pitchfork going through the S/5. Both the number 5 and pitchfork are from Chicago gangs.

 

Now if you go back to GTAIV, the Spanish Lords are based on a gang that came from Chicago and later spread all over to places like New York, the Latin Kings. And in Chicago, theres an actual gang called the "Spanish Lords" by coincidence too. So all Rockstar would have to do for the next GTA, is create a rendition of Chicago, and create a storyline where it is explained that the fake Chicago rendition is the place where the Spanish Lords from GTAIV originated from. The original Spanish Lords could be featured in a Chicago GTA, along with fake gangs based on real Chicago gangs like the Gangster Disciples, Vice Lords, Black P. Stones, Black Disciples, Four Corner Hustlers, Maniac Latin Disciples etc.

How about we don't have any gangs at all? Just to piss your wigger ass off.

[Akavari]

yeah ethnic gangs are stupid as sh*t the only game they belonged in was San Andreas since it was based off of Boyz 'N Da Hood. I want GTA to be less dominated by gang wars and mafia, and just play as an independent tough guy who works for some very crazy/interesting individuals like politicians and media figures. Right now everything is about drugs and drug money and tension between rival gangs but all of that crap is so unoriginal and predictable

[Sergi]

 

yeah ethnic gangs are stupid as sh*t the only game they belonged in was San Andreas since it was based off of Boyz 'N Da Hood. I want GTA to be less dominated by gang wars and mafia, and just play as an independent tough guy who works for some very crazy/interesting individuals like politicians and media figures. Right now everything is about drugs and drug money and tension between rival gangs but all of that crap is so unoriginal and predictable

lol how does what actually what happens in the real life criminal underworld come out to be unoriginal and predictable? Matter of fact that's what GTA is based on not some sort of political crime based franchise. I don't mind a little bit of political crime every now and then and some government shady business but that's not what the GTA franchise is based on. It's based on the criminal underworld and ding ding ding 99.9% of the criminal underworld involves drugs, drug money and gangs and criminal organizations. You want political intrigue go play a Tom Clancy game.

Edited November 28, 2009 by Sergi

[supermortalhuman]

chicago is BROWN - from afar and up close, brown, brown, brown - drove by it, drove through it, stopped in it, sucked, left, had more fun driving past corn fields.

 

Very, very brown. Shoulda been the first game in series this gen, you know, since it's so brown, and also, you know if GTA wasn't LC, SA, VC since GTA 1... GTA 2 being "anywhere city USA" means that it was SA, VC, LC, and anywhere else one could dream up for the figure of speech that named that, and London games were fun-made expansions that saw the light of day as limited-pressing expansions that later were pressed full on.

[Vanilla Shake]

While I see where you're coming from, for GTA IV they didn't exactly pick the most crime ridden city to replicate. New York is the safest major city in America and among the safest in the world, yet Rockstar still managed to pull off portraying modern New York being as crime ridden as it was in the '80s before it was cleaned up. If they were to choose a city that has less crime in real life, that doesn't mean that city will be safe in the game.

[supermortalhuman]

Exactly! Because it is not crime that fuels this game or decisions around it - it is the Media, and the places the fuel it