f*cking mods are back

[mkey82]

Somehow, I would rather blame MS, but it doesn't take a long while to convince me that R* might have dropped the ball once again.

[viometrix]

i just want my mods back...i play lan games mostly anyways.

 

anyone happen to know if lan games will work without GFWL?

 

[Waynio]

Sorry CC, I could not use the search feature to find the thread you will probably close and direct this one to, I think I have some good points in this post, (hopefully I'm not going on too much) (no, I know I'm going on too much but oh well) so if you do close it and let it drift into the abyss it may be a loss of some very good points that if rockstar do have someone who takes interest in what their enthusiastic dedicated customers have to say, I would like them to see this . Shame the title header is cursing, but thats what I'd be saying if I was still playing .

 

I just hope modders are going to end up making it so dedicated servers can be used, things like that and new content is why I absolutely appreciate modders, you dudes do awesome things when developers let us down a bit .

 

Cheaters should no way be mentioned in the same light of modders, lots of game devs got into it from modding, I would expect it's insulting, ones a code damager, ones a creator/improver.

 

I've played left 4 dead on some tweaked dedi servers they would auto bann you from the server, not just kick, bann if you cheat or grief, not just any old grief, things like friendly fire to try and kill the team mates, I have had some of my best games on them, was better than any anti cheat soft I have seen.

 

It would be great if rockstar collaborated with decent modders, the patch updates are useless and to be perfectly honest very annoying against this mass cheating problem, I really don't like the lag from what I remember (was quite a long time ago when I played and had fun without a holes messing the game up) and really hate the cheaters that are stopping me from keeping it installed because it is an immensely fun game when everyone is on the same level playing field, which is why I have not sold it, it's just sat on a shelf waiting for the day of no more multiplayer cheats past a week or 2.

 

I don't buy that crap about it's ok on free mode neither, I didn't like the ranked games because when I played and if I was winning most of the others just quit, they had no game at all and must not of believed in come backs so I always went on normal races and besides no ones rank means anything because of all the cheating, so if they ever do properly fix this problem they need to wipe all the leaderboards clean or just scrap the ranks and leaderboards as they would be meaningless.

 

Same with the game completion times, they could be done so they don't run on foot for the nearest car and instead keep spawning the fastest car or bike that has been tweaked to go even faster, bogus leaderboards, when I was younger leaderboards meant how much of a freak you are because you got a score very few if any could touch and done it legitimately, to me thats like having a book of facts that are not facts, bit like wikipedia lol, I have no problem with people cheating themselves in single player, but most definately got a problem with it in multiplayer, it was the spawn as many tug boats on a race as you can to crash pc's where I left it, have since seen t-rex shooting rockets and all sorts of stupid crap, it's just plain lousy and can even be very harmful to peoples pc's if they are on a raid0 array and it crashes the pc and corrupts the array.

 

To be honest, I wish rockstar would release a strict multiplayer version of GTA IV for pc without the single player part other than the content, but give it dedicated servers and a good anti cheat, I bought it for the 360, bought it for PC and would happily buy a proper multiplayer version too because this game with minimal lag and more people playing because the cheating got squashed and dedi servers could make this game 1 of the best multiplayers on pc, even now still.

 

If todays consoles were about 5 or 10 times better than what they are so they could run the games 1080p nice, clear and smooth running and supported keyboard and mouse and a filter in every game for pad or mouse & keys to keep the playing field fair I would not bother with a PC for gaming, but I doubt such a kick a** console will come any time soon and when it does pc gear will completely outshine it , dems da breaks, I'd have to be permanently drunk to think consoles of now were any good and I rarely drink lol .

 

So was it cheatless for like 3 days or something? like the other patch.

 

I doubt anyone will read all this hehe, I'm not even sure if that was a rant but it's a lot of a response from a slightly aggravated gamer that just wants to play GTA IV MP the way it's supposed to play.

[viometrix]

i personally think that on a lan game you should be able to do whatever you want. you are not interferring with the online community, you are playing with a bunch of people in your home. i think it is unfair for them to restrict what you do in your own home with your own equipment with a game you own.

[kudoboi]

f*ck rockstars game! they completly screwed my gta 4. it takes more time for me to load, sparksIV don't work. the shadow looks like sh*t. they deleted all my clothing mods and some car mods. f*ck emm! i want a f*cking refund!

 

to gta 4 patch 5

[Waynio]

That is so true viometrix I agree with you on that, and is also bad for people who only mod on single player but you said mostly lan, which means you do it online too or am I assuming too much, just go back a patch, althou I don't blame average joe for giving in to the nonsense because of a few being able to destroy the fun out of it by cheating, I just don't understand what fun could be had from no competition at all unless you just like to annoy people, it spread like a flipping virus and got out of control. If the mods you use are the good mods that just improve the look/performance, not change handling/game mechanics on your end I don't see a problem with that at all, hope your not confusing mods with cheats thou like many seem to be like when they try to insult you after being a slimey a** cheat .

 

I've played through the single player so many times I find it boring and far too easy now and without valid leaderboards at least to compete against and a damaged multiplayer I'll only reinstall when I hear it's properly fixed, if not it will become a relic on my shelf, multiplayer was what could have kept the game fun & alive for a long time with some recognition from rockstar on some mods to be implemented into the game, I'm sure rockstar could have easily added more race routes also in a new patch to keep the racing fresh, it's only on the lost and damned where you get bike specific race routes.

 

I think all pc multiplayer games should have a proper server browser and dedicated server support and display the ping number rather than silly bars, even people on consoles could benefit from dedicated servers hosted by MS and should be a standard on xbox360 since you pay a subscription and the massive amount of users, I tried GTA IV MP racing on the 360 and it was awful, blurry poor resolution and lag added in a small amount of players that didn't communicate at all so it was just like playing against bots, it just felt ultra stale and no way could I go back to it.

 

Since it doesn't look like rockstar will ever fix this permanantly for free with it needing a little work and not add a proper MP exe which loads the city and takes you straight to a multiplayer menu, 1 main necessary DLC for pc would be to get decent multiplayer, I for 1 would gladly pay up to £10 for it which is more than half the price of the actual game now, so rockstar, gamers and cheaters benefit if it just simply officially added dedicated server support this way admin of servers could have it so people who like to cheat and see whos pc crashes 1st can do so in their own little world and those people would be permanantly banned in the proper gaming servers that detect changes in memory and everyone will be able to enjoy the game the way they like, if I had any role in rockstar I would be pushing for this on pc even if it was just to prove to the fans they do actually give a s***, this file check garbage that seems to last a day or 2 is completely inadequate.

 

@kudoboi - if you were good at what you do you would have no problem keeping backups of the mods you placed into the game and simply reverting to a suitable patch, how on earth could you think they owe you a refund when you have clearly played the game to a point you got bored with vanila and blinged it out with new clothes and cars I have no idea.

[viometrix]

Waynio i use the native trainer and god mode and all that, we play lan games which means only the computers on my home network. we use god mode so we dont fall off of motorcycles when we make insane jumps off of some of the crazy ramps i make. we dont use our gunes, we drive around and find fun stuff to do, ride in shopping carts etc. and when i do play in freemode i play the same way with a few select others that enjoy it to, but we make a private game.

 

i tried going back to patch 4, but it wont let me play online, not even a lan game. so at this point i have quit playing gta iv. i understand they dont want people abusing the game or cheating online, but the level of control they exert over this game reminds me of the old soviet union.

 

and for all you people out there that say modding the game is cheating, i guess you have never seen a tuner car. those people dont complain they lost a race (or their car) because someone else had better mods instlled. it is human nature to take something and improve it, or modify it to suit their personal needs. on the flip side there are those that abuse it, they are just ass f*cking holes.

[67257990206098020947]

We need Punkbuster for the Multiplayer

[DELETEDUSER]

We need Punkbuster for the Multiplayer

Agreed! And it should ban serial number of the game!

[Waynio]

Punkbuster is ok and better than this file check nonsense but not perfect, scripts in servers can be far more effective from what I have seen and a lot less intrusive, reason I say that is because on steam they use VAC and is pretty damn good but does not get you kicked or banned for a while after you offended so the cheater is not sure what cheat they used to get banned, whereas I have been on servers with quality scripts that will instantly kick and bann you from the particular server if you don't play nice and that to me is the best solution I have ever seen as people on both sides could be happy playing how they want to.

 

Dedicated servers alone would be fantastic, it could fix it so everyone could enjoy it the way they want to and that would be a very good thing, I just don't understand why some game devs create such a divide in gamers by pushing game console methods that do not work well for a good standard that has been around on pc for a good time, I can forgive rockstar with this being the 1st proper GTA MP, hopefully not the last, I still think GTA IV could be saved but would require a little extra work and modifying, but would be best if it was made official.

 

If rockstar didn't make a multiplayer part for the game I would never have had anything to complain about, but they did and it was huge fun when no one was trashing it, the single player optimized pc version absolutely rocks and will play through it once every now and then because it is a total classic and I am glad they brought it to pc, I just wished they changed the MP setup, but if not this time, hopefully on the next GTA if us pc gamers get it they get the MP right.

 

I don't feel ripped off at all, and people who complain about it performing bad, try playing it when you get around to upgrading your pc, to run best it does need a fair beast of a pc and I'm sure you will like it, until then it will not be so great, it was built for future hardware, I had an 8800GTX at the time of release and now have a GTX285 not an immediately appreciable way to do things but when your pc can eventually handle it, it suddenly gets heaps better, except for MP.

 

COD series as an example, been a fan of IW since the 1st one, but skipped world at war (had enough of old war games until they revolutionise them), When buying a COD game the main thing on my mind is a great MP experience with no lag that was built to last, the single player part is probably quite outstanding but has a short lifespan, I chose not to support the latest with them running backwards now and instead I'm actually in favour of EA more than ever now, they seen what a sham it caused for pc fans with over simplifying things and trying to make us slaves of activision with unworthy DLC and EA are going to win a new battlfield player once they release bad company 2, seems EA are much wiser than activision, bit of success and they lost the plot, quite cirtain activision is behind the IWnet sham, tis a shame because IW develop great games and now they are just plain milking it.

[viometrix]

you know something, you whiney cry babies suck. first you start a topic with language in the header, then you talk all kinds of sh*t. you are going to tell me you do nothing wrong in the world, you are a saint? thats bullcrap because you wouldnt be playing gta 4. i know for a fact that 9 out of 10 gamers are pot smokers, but thats ok and cheating a game isnt? at least cheating a game wont land you in jail. and if you really want to do some good, go rant on a board about all of the millions of pirated games. maybe if games werent pirated companies could afford to make games right.

 

i guess my basic point is, thats f*cking life, deal with it. you cant stop it, no way no how. what ever system is implemented there is a way around. this applies to everything in life. go make a real difference in the world and stop bitching about a silly game that will eventually be replaced by another better game (and that too will be exploited hahahaha). im f*cking tired of reading 50 threads about people crying about modders and cheaters. damn id rather cry about real world issues like my buddy in afghanastan was killed yesterday by terrorists. now theres some real people that break rules, and unlike this f*cking game, they can and will kill you given the chance.

 

grow the f*ck up

[thaCURSEDpie]

 

you know something, you whiney cry babies suck. first you start a topic with language in the header, then you talk all kinds of sh*t. you are going to tell me you do nothing wrong in the world, you are a saint? thats bullcrap because you wouldnt be playing gta 4. i know for a fact that 9 out of 10 gamers are pot smokers, but thats ok and cheating a game isnt? at least cheating a game wont land you in jail. and if you really want to do some good, go rant on a board about all of the millions of pirated games. maybe if games werent pirated companies could afford to make games right.

 

i guess my basic point is, thats f*cking life, deal with it. you cant stop it, no way no how. what ever system is implemented there is a way around. this applies to everything in life. go make a real difference in the world and stop bitching about a silly game that will eventually be replaced by another better game (and that too will be exploited hahahaha). im f*cking tired of reading 50 threads about people crying about modders and cheaters. damn id rather cry about real world issues like my buddy in afghanastan was killed yesterday by terrorists. now theres some real people that break rules, and unlike this f*cking game, they can and will kill you given the chance.

 

grow the f*ck up

Well, guess what? I like pot smokers better than cheaters.

 

What the f is wrong with pot smokers? Nothing. It ain't even illegal (here in Holland that is ).

 

I am sure LESS than 9 out of 10 gamers are pot smokers.

 

"This is live, deal with it" - one of the worst arguments out there. This is like saying: "Hey, I lost this discussion, but I'm still right because life sucks!".

[OGIamLoco]

so cheating is an acceptable way of life now. in real life we got real jails.

 

 

[ikt]

so cheating is an acceptable way of life now. in real life we got real jails.

In real world you would die if your car accelerated to 100000mph in 0.0000001 s.

In real world you would die if you got hit by multiple bullets to the head.

[Nillansan]

you know something, you whiney cry babies suck. first you start a topic with language in the header, then you talk all kinds of sh*t. you are going to tell me you do nothing wrong in the world, you are a saint? thats bullcrap because you wouldnt be playing gta 4. i know for a fact that 9 out of 10 gamers are pot smokers, but thats ok and cheating a game isnt? at least cheating a game wont land you in jail. and if you really want to do some good, go rant on a board about all of the millions of pirated games. maybe if games werent pirated companies could afford to make games right.

 

i guess my basic point is, thats f*cking life, deal with it. you cant stop it, no way no how. what ever system is implemented there is a way around. this applies to everything in life. go make a real difference in the world and stop bitching about a silly game that will eventually be replaced by another better game (and that too will be exploited hahahaha). im f*cking tired of reading 50 threads about people crying about modders and cheaters. damn id rather cry about real world issues like my buddy in afghanastan was killed yesterday by terrorists. now theres some real people that break rules, and unlike this f*cking game, they can and will kill you given the chance.

 

grow the f*ck up

Are you serious? How is it even possible to pack this amount of moronic statements into one post? Pop a chill pill friend. I can't be bothered to write an elaborate reply, it is probably a complete waste of time to reason with your kind.

 

You are indeed a class A sh*t talker

[OGIamLoco]

so cheating is an acceptable way of life now.  in real life we got real jails.

In real world you would die if your car accelerated to 100000mph in 0.0000001 s.

In real world you would die if you got hit by multiple bullets to the head.

Or something more realistic, like butting in line, that’s a benevolent cheat right?

Till somebody pounds your head in.

 

[sjaak327]

The ONLY way you will ever get a decent server based MP, is if modders are bothered to make one. The same modders that are towed through the mud here.

 

Rockstar is not going to be bothered to go to that extend, simply because they are in this game with the purpose of making a profit. They are not going to invest in a server based MP for GTA, simply because on the platforms they make the vast majority of money on, it is not needed. On those platforms, this type of MP (p2P) works effective and is cheat free.

 

In the real world, companies invest money to get a return on investment, and a tidy profit. I doubt overhauling their game for the tiny market that gaming on the pc represent is ever going to happen.

 

 

 

[CharmingCharlie]

 

The ONLY way you will ever get a decent server based MP, is if modders are bothered to make one. The same modders that are towed through the mud here.

Ahhhhhhh now we get nearer the truth, what is really happening is modders are crippling MP in GTA 4 and then they will "conveniently" swoop in and solve the situation with their own version of GTA 4 multiplayer, thus being the heroes of the day

[Puffalump]

I'd love to see all hacks banned from online multiplayer, it's what destroyed Diablo and it's what will destroy GTA online.

 

Fun is in honest competition, not punks showing off their latest hacks, destroying the game for everyone else. I too have seen a return of car handling hacks online... whats the point of a race with those ?

 

Nothing.

[ikt]

The ONLY way you will ever get a decent server based MP, is if modders are bothered to make one. The same modders that are towed through the mud here.

Ahhhhhhh now we get nearer the truth, what is really happening is modders are crippling MP in GTA 4 and then they will "conveniently" swoop in and solve the situation with their own version of GTA 4 multiplayer, thus being the heroes of the day

So you like the console based online system where the game chooses a random host causing huge lagg to appear because the host lives on a small island somewhere in the great ocean, instead of having a server in a nearby place with low pings, good anticheats and people with brains to kick instead of brainless pieces of code blocking the game from modding?

[JoeVK]

 

I'd love to see all hacks banned from online multiplayer, it's what destroyed Diablo and it's what will destroy GTA online.

It already has.

 

 

 

Hmm, I should elaborate. I meant for me, it already has.

 

At the risk repeating everything that has already been said, basically my view is this:

Modding itself is ok. Using mods to gain a distinct aka unfair advantage is called cheating or hacking. Mods/cheats/hacks should not be used in MP, unless it's in a private match. Period. Why? Because it's common f*cking sense, and common f*cking courtesy. You're not supposed to be doing it all. Go to a private match and mod/cheat/hack your brains out for all I care. Just don't do it in public matches. Public matches, regardless of type, need to be devoid of any and all mods/cheats/hacks.

 

I still play Joint Operations. It's the only game I play online anymore. I would love to play IV online, but I won't because my experience has been, shall we say...less than pleasurable. In my time playing Joint Ops I have seen a few hackers, but they are few and far between anymore, most likely due to the continually shrinking popularity for the game. When I first started playing Joint Ops, I got my @$$ kicked regularly. I'd have like 2-3 kills and 50 deaths after a 30 minute match. Did I think to myself "I need to find a hack so I can win!"...NO! I get good at something the right way. I bust my @$$ and earn actual skills. If you're too lazy to earn something in a game, I doubt you'll do it in real life.

 

Oh, and all this talk of R* not having dedicated servers because they want to make money is bullsh*t. Novalogic isn't even close to the same level as R*. They make budget games, and still have FREE dedicated servers for playing all their games on. The only time they stop supporting a game on their servers is when there isn't enough people playing it to justify keeping them up. I believe they still support Delta Force: Blackhawk Down, and that game is 6 years old.

Edited November 19, 2009 by J.A.G.

[sjaak327]

[Oh, and all this talk of R* not having dedicated servers because they want to make money is bullsh*t. Novalogic isn't even close to the same level as R*. They make budget games, and still have FREE dedicated servers for playing all their games on. The only time they stop supporting a game on their servers is when there isn't enough people playing it to justify keeping them up. I believe they still support Delta Force: Blackhawk Down, and that game is 6 years old.

It is not bullsh*t, in order to change the game to have dedicated servers, they need to overhaul their scripting engine a great deal. Which simply means they need to invest quite a lot of money, since their main sales are on Xbox and PS3, and since the P2P works absolutely fine on those two platforms, I doubt they will make the investment for just the PC version, considering the amount of sales they make from it.

 

Of course I could be wrong in the willingness of Rockstar investing that needed money, but that it will cost quite a bit, is beyond any doubt.

 

 

 

[JoeVK]

I didn't mean change it to dedicated servers, I know it's too late for that. Sorry, I should have clarified. I meant bullsh*t why they didn't do it in the first place. If a budget game company that comes out with only one new game every 2-3 years has been doing it for literally a decade and is still around, then I don't see why a big time company like R* can't do it too. That's the bullsh*t. They only care about the thickness of their wallets.

 

Sadly you're right about the fact they wouldn't do it for just the PC version. This is the main reason why a lot of game developers are moving away from PC gaming and getting more involved with consoles. Mostly because it's easier to develop the games for each console because every one is identical, so there's no dealing with "It doesn't work on my PC with these specs, but on my friends works fine!". But also because there is significantly less chance of exactly what this entire thread is all about.

[FullMetal]

mkey82: Microsoft doesn't give a crap about PC gaming and if we need to guess what their opinion about modding is. Well, they probably hate it and would probably disallow such a thing.

 

We all know how brilliant GFWL is so yeah, it proves alot.

And what kind of cheat protection did they implement in GFWL? None? That's right. So, you are assuming they don't like modding based on ... ?

On the facts that they never seem to show any interest in PC gaming whatsoever and most of the times (if they do) try to make PC gaming the same as console, XBOX360, gaming.

 

And I don't think modifying game content is possible on consoles... as in, modifications for customisation of a game).

 

As I said: these 'modders/hackers' could be removed from the game if they had some decent online system implemented (dedicated servers? decent voting systems?).

 

But then again, most players are just too retarded to even press a button to remove someone and/or fail to see who's hacking and who's not... eventhough it's blatantly obvious).

[viometrix]

they should made something in the setup when you are creating a game: Mods Enabled On/Off

problems solved, i mean for cying out loud you can turn off cops and voice etc, is it so hard?

 

then and only then if you bypass mods off and use mods are you cheating

[DELETEDUSER]

And what if a modder comes into a mod disabled server anyway (cracks it). Same sh*t again!

[SWEETSAPRIK]

 

And what if a modder comes into a mod disabled server anyway (cracks it). Same sh*t again!

If they had a system for allowing mods on some servers/matches, and labeling those servers accordingly, anyone who still couldn't respect the rules should obviously be dealt with as harshly as possible.

 

I.E. Booted from server/match, having that disc/serial banned from GFWL forever.

 

I mean really, if they went through the trouble of bending over backwards for the users by allowing it in games where everyone knew it was allowed, then nobody would have an excuse for having a problem with it in said matches, as they'd have joined it with full knowledge beforehand. Likewise, people would have absolutely no reason to join vanilla games/servers/matches unless they were going out of their way to be complete dicks, in which case they'd be lucky to not have their install revoked altogether.

[mkey82]

 

mkey82: Microsoft doesn't give a crap about PC gaming and if we need to guess what their opinion about modding is. Well, they probably hate it and would probably disallow such a thing.

 

We all know how brilliant GFWL is so yeah, it proves alot.

And what kind of cheat protection did they implement in GFWL? None? That's right. So, you are assuming they don't like modding based on ... ?

On the facts that they never seem to show any interest in PC gaming whatsoever and most of the times (if they do) try to make PC gaming the same as console, XBOX360, gaming.

 

And I don't think modifying game content is possible on consoles... as in, modifications for customisation of a game).

 

As I said: these 'modders/hackers' could be removed from the game if they had some decent online system implemented (dedicated servers? decent voting systems?).

 

But then again, most players are just too retarded to even press a button to remove someone and/or fail to see who's hacking and who's not... eventhough it's blatantly obvious).

So, PC gaming is in tight relations with modding? Many games (I would say most) don't have a modding community nor modding potential. You can mod on consoles (done it myself with PES on PS2), it's not that common, but there is no modding exclusivity here.

 

They don't care, that's my point. They don't care about PC gaming, they don't care about modding. They don't care. There is a lot of road from not caring to being against something.

[viometrix]

mkey82: Microsoft doesn't give a crap about PC gaming and if we need to guess what their opinion about modding is. Well, they probably hate it and would probably disallow such a thing.

 

We all know how brilliant GFWL is so yeah, it proves alot.

And what kind of cheat protection did they implement in GFWL? None? That's right. So, you are assuming they don't like modding based on ... ?

On the facts that they never seem to show any interest in PC gaming whatsoever and most of the times (if they do) try to make PC gaming the same as console, XBOX360, gaming.

 

And I don't think modifying game content is possible on consoles... as in, modifications for customisation of a game).

 

As I said: these 'modders/hackers' could be removed from the game if they had some decent online system implemented (dedicated servers? decent voting systems?).

 

But then again, most players are just too retarded to even press a button to remove someone and/or fail to see who's hacking and who's not... eventhough it's blatantly obvious).

So, PC gaming is in tight relations with modding? Many games (I would say most) don't have a modding community nor modding potential. You can mod on consoles (done it myself with PES on PS2), it's not that common, but there is no modding exclusivity here.

 

They don't care, that's my point. They don't care about PC gaming, they don't care about modding. They don't care. There is a lot of road from not caring to being against something.

so most games dont have modding potential huh? well i think you are wrong, every first person shooter out there gets mods in one form or another, from maps to weapons to vehicles. many car racing games including need for speed series and burnout paradise. shoot uncharted 2 has been modded. i think you shouldve said there arent many pc games that dont get modded.

 

and i mod games on my ps3 all the time.

[mkey82]

so most games dont have modding potential huh? well i think you are wrong

Well, I think you are wrong. Most games do not have a modding community nor do they get extended in any way.