If PC gets TLaD

[mkey82]

I would get a PC but they're way too much money. 

Compared to what?

An X360 or PS3.

Again, in comparison to what?

 

It's like saying, a penthouse apparent on a nice location in Hollywood is expensive in comparison to some trashy 5x5 room somewhere in the ghetto.

[TheBruceter]

I would get a PC but they're way too much money. 

Compared to what?

Compared to having little to no money..

Why can people not get the fact that not everyone is super rich and can get every console and also go through the upgrading a PC every 6 month - a year.

In the long run, a PC is more expensive than a console (but obvioulsy runs and looks alot better.)

[simkas]

In the long run, a PC is more expensive than a console (but obvioulsy runs and looks alot better.)

Yeah, no sh*t. Consoles can only run games and do some other simple stuff. PC's can do a thousand times more than that. So yeah, they're supposed to be more expensive.

[mkey82]

Why can people not get the fact that not everyone is super rich and can get every console and also go through the upgrading a PC every 6 month - a year.

Yeah I'm uber ultra rich and I upgrade every 12 hours

[Le Rusecue]

I hope TBOGT comes to PC as well. You just know that on the first day, somebody is going to make a mod to fly the SkyCrane. I'm glad that TLAD is finally coming to PC. That means more character mods!

[CharmingCharlie]

Well they have either decided to release both DLC's on the PC (with TBoGT coming later) or they are going to wait and see how TLaD does on the PC to decide if it is worth bothering with TBoGT. If they have decided to release it on the PC anyway then there is no worry.

 

However if they are waiting to see how well TLaD does on the PC then ohhhhhhhh boy there could be trouble. I don't think for one minute the DLC is going to sell well on the PC. Aside from the fact there are only about 1 - 2 million PC gamers we also have to take into account the fact the DLC is ancient now. Then there is the bad reputation Rockstar has earned thanks to the god awful GTA 4 port. Then we can factor in the ill will they have caused with this 2 week (going on 3 weeks) silence. Then finally we have to take into account they won't advertise TLaD on the PC so no f*cker will know it exists. They will be lucky to shift 10,000 copies I would say.

 

I have been a long time GTA fan, today I installed my retail copy of Win 7 which naturally necessitated I had to uninstall GTA 4. I still have GTA SA because I could move that to another folder then move it back and create a short cut and the game worked. I won't be re-installing GTA 4 to play the DLC. I am sick of being treated like utter sh*t by Rockstar. I will probably take a look again at GTA if they can bother to bring another GTA to the PC. I imagine a great many PC gamers will probably feel the same as me.

[OutOfTimer]

 

I was surprised when I saw the Achievements for TLaD on the PC to show up. But now that it's coming to the PC, obviously the PC has exclusive content that the Xbox 360 doesn't have and neither does the PS3 (along with the Episodic Content of course). That's the video editor. So if TLaD comes to PC then the PC will be more exclusive than the Xbox 360. R* better do something about this! I want the video editor on consoles!

HAHAHA !!! I'm so happy I lived to see this day. ROFL !!! I'm sorry to say this, kid, but PCs are now more exclusive than XBox 360. LOL I have a feeling you got screwed by Micro$oft. Maybe someday you'll learn.

 

I remember how CharmingCharlie once said "when PC gets the DLC it will be impossible not to know about it 'cause the screams of XBox fanboys will be heard even in space." This day has finally come...

 

Edited November 26, 2009 by OutOfTimer

[Volt Krueger]

OK here is the short answer : Not a cat's chance in hell is the PS3 or the 360 getting the video editor.

 

Now here is the long answer : The video editor in the PC was obviously done to encourage people that had already purchased GTA 4 on the consoles to re-buy the game on the PC. The reason the PC has the video editor is simply because it can have the video editor. This "feature" is incredibly resource hungry memory wise, which just happens to be the one resource consoles haven't got in abundance.

 

The video editor needs at least 100mbs of ram (I have clips that use up nearly 200mbs) to act as a buffer to store the last 30 or so seconds of gameplay. Both consoles have less than 512mbs of ram they simply cannot afford to have 100mbs of ram acting as a buffer like the PC can. I believe even to this day PC's with less than 1gb of system ram have the video editor disabled by default.

 

It is possible the consoles could get a video editor, but that would require the core game to be sacrificed. The textures would have to be seriously compromised, draw distance would have to be reduced and several other things would have to be cut out to free up enough ram for the video editor. That is why the PC has the video editor and the consoles don't. The video editor can be implemented in the PC version because it can be done without sacrificing the actual game. Like it or not the video editor will stay "exclusive" to the PC simply because it cannot be done on the console.

 

Next you will be wanting the shadow effects cast by headlights that the PC has, or the ability to have 3 times more traffic on the road or the 32 player online matches. These are all features of the PC and not the console because the PC can do them.

 

As for whether the PC having the video editor makes it more exclusive than the console that is debatable. However I should remind you that PC gamers had to wait a year for GTA 4 then had to wait another year for TLaD. I think they deserve a "little" bit extra or if you want how about Rockstar releases their next GTA on the PC first and the 360 a year later with the video editor ? As a PC gamer I am willing to make the trade are you ?

The question is, WHY are you a PC gamer? Can't afford the like $200 for an xbox?

[OutOfTimer]

The question is, WHY are you a PC gamer? Can't afford the like $200 for an xbox?

Because XBox 360 is utter s*hit compared to a PC. For example, some people have an HDTV and want to actually play in its native resolution.

[Ash_735]

These little fights between PC fans and Xbox fans are funny. Makes me glad I own all and play on all, best of all worlds. Oh and by the way, when TLAD does come to PC and its confirmed to be the EFLC version, I'd gladly buy it again.

[OutOfTimer]

 

These little fights between PC fans and Xbox fans are funny. Makes me glad I own all and play on all, best of all worlds. Oh and by the way, when TLAD does come to PC and its confirmed to be the EFLC version, I'd gladly buy it again.

If XBox 360 was a superior gaming machine, I would buy it, too. The problem is that it's s*hit. It's way below my gaming expectations. So no, you don't have the best of both worlds. You are forced to play on low settings because Micro$oft pays for Xbox advertisements with money it stole from people like me. I'm not a PC fanboy - I want the better thing and I'm sad because it's being taken away from me.

[Ash_735]

These little fights between PC fans and Xbox fans are funny. Makes me glad I own all and play on all, best of all worlds. Oh and by the way, when TLAD does come to PC and its confirmed to be the EFLC version, I'd gladly buy it again.

If XBox 360 was a superior gaming machine, I would buy it, too. The problem is that it's s*hit. It's way below my gaming expectations. So no, you don't have the best of both worlds. You are forced to play on low settings because Micro$oft pays for Xbox advertisements with money it stole from people like me. I'm not a PC fanboy - I want the better thing and I'm sad because it's being taken away from me.

I have to differ with you, I'm happy with the graphics the console provides on my HDTV and I get to play any exclusive games that appear on the console, plus there are other benefits. Same goes for the PS3, which is actually the console I've been using most recently thanks to Uncharted 2 and Tekken 6. Basically, I'm a rare kind of gamer, I own all current gen systems and I'm happy with what all provide (actually, that's a lie, the Wii is just crap, I'm sorry, but like 3 good games, that's it).

[CharmingCharlie]

You know I find it hilarious xbox fanboys come in here and go "oh can't afford $200 can you". My f*cking graphics card cost more than the damn xbox 360 so yeah that must be it I can't afford a console ...... wow you are quite the clairvoyant aren't you

 

Let me put it this way if you ever bump into someone that owns a Ferrari is your first question going to be "oh why don't you buy a Lada can't you afford one ?". I had an xbox 360 and it was WOEFULLY inadequate so I got rid of it.

[Ash_735]

You know I find it hilarious xbox fanboys come in here and go "oh can't afford $200 can you". My f*cking graphics card cost more than the damn xbox 360 so yeah that must be it I can't afford a console ...... wow you are quite the clairvoyant aren't you

See Charlie, what I find funny is how that can be flipped, then you'll get certain fanboys going "Oh yeah well I get a console cause I don't have to upgrade my computer ever few months" blah blah blah.

 

I do agree though, "cuz you can't afford one" argument is rather stupid, especially considering GTA IV on PC requires a f*cking powerhouse to run properly thanks to the crappy job Rockstar Toronto have done.

[DHoff]

You know I find it hilarious xbox fanboys come in here and go "oh can't afford $200 can you". My f*cking graphics card cost more than the damn xbox 360 so yeah that must be it I can't afford a console ...... wow you are quite the clairvoyant aren't you

 

Let me put it this way if you ever bump into someone that owns a Ferrari is your first question going to be "oh why don't you buy a Lada can't you afford one ?". I had an xbox 360 and it was WOEFULLY inadequate so I got rid of it.

Probably the most intelligent thing I heard today.

[CharmingCharlie]

Well one thing's for sure Volt Krueger got us off topic I really should ignore these "members" they are just trying to stir things up. I may be entertaining purchasing the EFLC if Rockstar brings it out later next year. However TLaD never really thrilled me all that much any way so I don't feel inclined to mess about installing the game again just for TLaD.

 

That is where Rockstar will fall down on the PC, I would wager most people that bought GTA 4 on the PC have probably uninstalled it by now especially since we have had a new OS launched this year. I just can't see TLaD doing that well but it is possible the standalone EFLC will do better (especially if it is sold via steam).

[mkey82]

 

These little fights between PC fans and Xbox fans are funny. Makes me glad I own all and play on all, best of all worlds. Oh and by the way, when TLAD does come to PC and its confirmed to be the EFLC version, I'd gladly buy it again.

Makes me feel good too, to know that no matter what, there will always be people out there to fork out money to get "teh best of all worlds", go and get them lol.

 

 

See Charlie, what I find funny is how that can be flipped,

No, it can't be flipped. PC has the power, compatibility, functionality, "upgradeability" and it's dependable. What does xbox/ps3 have? Exclusive titles? This is something that can be flipped, as someone (like me, to name one) can not give a rats ass about most of those games. The only PS3 game I wanted to play was GTAIV and I did play it on my PC, a machine that costs something like a HD TV. I got to it a year later, but I palyed at full res, full etail and double FPS. So yeah, I'm definitively glad I waited.

 

 

requires a f*cking powerhouse to run properly

lol

 

 

"oh why don't you buy a Lada can't you afford one ?"

Lada is a perfectly fine automobile, it never breaks. Teh design may have some flaws, but what the f*ck.

Edited November 26, 2009 by mkey82

[TheBruceter]

Why can people not get the fact that not everyone is super rich and can get every console and also go through the upgrading a PC every 6 month - a year.

Yeah I'm uber ultra rich and I upgrade every 12 hours

?!?!?!?!

 

Where the f*ck did 12 hours come from? lol

 

I'm a student working 2 sh*tty jobs aswell. I can't afford a decent PC.. So i settled for a PS3, that i saved up for over a couple of years. Say its 600 quid minimum to upgrade a PC yearly (aye sh*t hardware) I still wouldn't be able to afford it.. lol

 

Weed and booze over upgrading annualy

[mkey82]

Yeah, it shows.

 

I was exaggerating, much like you were.

 

Do you know who spends 600 pound per year on upgrades? Only a minority of PC gamers, I know like one guy who does it and he really spends tremendous amounts of money on everything. The only ones using this "fact" as an "argument" are fanboyish console gamers who wouldn't recognize an upgrade if ti kicked them in the ass.

 

Most (and I do mean most) people go for a new build every 4-6 years with one or two upgrades in the meantime. In my case, some 7 years ago I spent 1000$ on my new PC, then I upgraded it once with some RAM (that was another 50$ and again with a new GPU (another 100$, when I look back this upgrade didn't pay off), then last year I got a new machine for 1200$ (dollar value varied a lot, at the time this sum was correct). So instead of spening 600 pounds per year, I spent 150$ during 6 years.

 

Do you even know what you're talking about? I will never dispute anyone's right to choose a platform, but when you know jack sh*t about something, just keep quiet. Try it, it really works :-

[TheBruceter]

Dude i ain't no fanboy (if thats what you were trying to imply there..) I'v owned most consoles (except the xbox..)

 

In order to maintain a good spec'd PC, to keep up with gaming technology, you need to upgrade more than every 6 years.. lol

My comp is only a year old, and i know for a fact it wouldn't run GTA. I would need to spend about the same amount it costs for a console, and thats with me already got the PC..

 

I know what I'm talking about.. lol

 

Just look up and read how much CC spent on just his graphics card.. lol

 

After all, it was you that was being cheeky to someone, when they said they couldn't afford to do up their PC. I'm in the same boat.. lol

[mkey82]

The card he purchased goes for around 200$. He got it some 6 months ago and since it's the older 192 core model let's say it went for around 250$. And since he's located in England, let's say he payed 200 quid for that card. As far as I know, in the last two years this is the only bit of hardware he purchased. He had a CPU die on him on his media PC, but he never replaced it. So, he spent 200 pounds for two years instead of that 1200 (600 per year) you claim.

 

So yeah, you are talking sh*t.

[TheBruceter]

Yes thats for 1 part of hardware..

 

For a sh*tty PC that i have, i would need more RAM and a new processor, plus bits and bobs.

 

600 quid was an estimate..

 

Man you can argue with me till your blue in the face, it doesn't change the facts. Not everyone can afford it..

(and hey thats without me going into things getting fried and needing replaced)

 

So thats prob one of the reasons that people prefer consoles. I know i prefer a console cause of the control pad, and you don't need to maintain it. For me, a PC is for porn, consoles are for gaming he he

[mkey82]

Fries? lol PC parts occasionally break down, I had one GPU die on me (for unknown reasons) and DVD drive due to extensive usage. It didn't actually die, I just didn't trust it anymore after a few failed burns. xbox breaks, what, like one out of three lol And this is even a well documented fact.

 

Now, if you knew anything about upgrades, you would know that old machines (as the one you have, I presume) are not worth upgrading. So we're not talking about upgrades, are we? We are talking about getting a new machine.

 

Let's review the situation where my friend and me got new platforms at pretty much the same time, about 12-18 months ago.

 

I got my current PC then for about 1200$.

 

He purchased a PS3 and a nice HD TV, Sony Bravia I think. For the console he shelled out 600$ and for the TV another 1100$. Those prices were pretty high as he always buys stuff on credit, where I use cash. So he spent 1700$, 500 more then me.

 

When I buy games I get them from Steam or from game. They are priced from 2€ to 25€. Never ever payed more then 25€ for a game. PS3 games are ridiculously overpriced here, they go for about 90€ lol but the standard (civilized) price would be like 45€-50€ for new titles, 35€ for crappy sports yearly iterations. So where he spent 600€ for games, I spent 200€. That's another 600$ difference, only on games lol

 

To make things worse, I got to play my GTAIV a year later then he did, but I'm playing on 1680x1050 instead of some upscaled "HD", with 4x more detailed textures, with more traffic, more peds, more sh*t on the streets and all that coupled with about 2x higher average FPS lol

 

Yeah, console gaming is a lot cheaper, I'll give you that.

[TheBruceter]

Fries? lol PC parts occasionally break down, I had one GPU die on me (for unknown reasons) and DVD drive due to extensive usage. It didn't actually die, I just didn't trust it anymore after a few failed burns. xbox breaks, what, like one out of three lol And this is even a well documented fact.

Hence why i wouldnt touch xbox with a barge pole. Too unreliable.

 

I said my comp is only just over a year old. So no, not a new comp, upgrading.. but anyways, half the time you go and buy a new comp, you need to upgrade it anyways, cause hey, new pc hardware is always being released, so you want yours to be the best you can get.

 

And generally, you don't need to buy a new tv when getting a console, cause you normally have one. So thats a grand out the way for a start.

Games? I rarely buy a brand spanking new game cause yeah, thats normally 40 quid (only game i buy on release is GTA.) I generally get 20 quid games, half the price (anyways, read something a couple of days ago, sony are supposedly dropping the price of games.)

 

Yes, yes i know (and never said anything about it..) that PC specs are better. Of course they are, but you need to upgrade it to get your specs better. Which costs money.. Where as you get a console and theres no upgrading (unless you get a new HD or cooling system.)

 

Face blue yet?

[mkey82]

 

new pc hardware is always being released, so you want yours to be the best you can get.

 

Nnnoooo, most people don't actually do that, you know. It's just one of the "arguments" trolls keep using, disregarding reality.

 

 

And generally, you don't need to buy a new tv when getting a console, cause you normally have one. So thats a grand out the way for a start.

Yeah, a new console on a crappy old TV, that looks great. My friend used something like that for a while, he couldn't read any of the text from the SMS you receive in-game lol

 

 

Of course they are, but you need to upgrade it to get your specs better.

lol you need to buy a new console as well, what's your point? I don't need to upgrade my PC to keep it better then consoles lol I could take some parts out and even then it would be a LOT better

 

Again, you know NOTHING about PC gaming and so far, you have only trolling. My card, the 4870, manages to max out all current games (past GTAIV and Crysis), why would I get a new one? Keep it up, I managed to talk out much worse trolls then yourself

[TheBruceter]

lol troll. I love it when trolls start calling other people trolls. Its the who done it game. Look back and you'll see its you

 

Ok so last year when i got my comp, i shouldn't have needed to put more RAM in it? But i did have to considering the mmo i played lagged like hell.. So yeah, sometimes upgrading is necessary to do to a brand spanking new comp.

 

I'v got a 'crappy' tv, not HD (gettin 1 soon though) and i can still read things clear as day, and get they headshots racked up. Point totally disregarded. I'v had my PS3 for 2 1/2 years now, and still play totally fine without an HD tv.

 

I need to buy a new console every what? 10 years or so. Where as i would have to spend parts on a comp, every year, if i want the best out of it. You can't really get better than your console as there ain't many, if any modification you can do to increase performance.

 

So how much did this fan dabby dosey card cost you? I'm still saying that getting your card, processor, motherboard, HD and RAM costs more than a console.. Yeah i could prob do it all for about 100 quid, but it would be sh*te and lag and not be that good spec'd. Fact of the matter is, if you want good PC hardware that will last, its gonna cost you.

 

(yes i know nothing about pc gaming.. i just ain't doing software dev at college.. and hopping to move onto testing.. yes i'm so wrong about money, and the fact not everyone can afford 2 consoles and a top spec'd pc..)

[ikt]

PCs are expensive. Liek 800 euro's for a decent PC. Games get more and more demanding, causing the PC to get old and need upgrading. And with these new monster screens with full hd and such you need a monster gpu. Expensive. Games nowadays also have manifacture-locked capabilities. PhysX. Dont have thst on consoles.

 

BUT:

PC's are cheap compared to what they can do. 800 euro's is enough for a pc that's able to last at least 3 years wihtou upgrading. Consoles also get old. Even new games released on the console look better on the PC. Consoles also don't always output HDTV resolutioms, it's just upscaling. Technologies like PhysX are bullcrap. PhysX runs fine on other things, but nVidia disabled it in the software.

 

PC games are usually a lot cheaper, causing you to save money over time. You also dont need to pay for services. Arcade games on ps3/360 are free to d/l on the pc. And if your PC gets old, you can sell the parts. With consoles, the previous-gen consoles drop in price whenever a newer gen is released, causing your old console to be worth nothing. Games are also not released anymore for the old thing. Consoles also have limited accesoiris, usually quite expensive compared to pc stuff.

 

Oh, have you played GTA IV on consoles? I've experienced more lagg than on my pc (700 euros, medion sh*t) with medium/high settings at a much higher res.

[mkey82]

I told you above how much it cost. 1200$ for the whole deal, one year ago, with the screen of course. And I chose all the best components for the money, no skimping and third grade parts. And that's in my country, where everything is overpriced, the remainder of Europe get's it about 15% cheaper, in use it's more then 30% cheaper.

 

One quick note

 

 

if i want the best out of it

This would be YOUR choice, not mine nor would it be the choice of most other PC gamers. Furthermore, it would be a major accomplishment if you could understand that. People do not upgrade all the time, why can't you understand such a simple concept? Maybe because you're a troll and your whole argument falls apart without this "fact"? If I say it three times in a row, maybe it will work like magic.

 

People do not upgrade all the time. People do not upgrade all the time. People do not upgrade all the time. Did it work? Do you understand now?

 

I think that smoking that sh*t is really gettingy to you, maybe it would be time to give it a rest.

[FullMetal]

Oh, have you played GTA IV on consoles? I've experienced more lagg than on my pc (700 euros, medion sh*t) with medium/high settings at a much higher res.

You're a damn troll... I have a medion PC (about 600 euro's) and I run GTAIV in much better settings much higher res than consoles. Yes I have framedrops and yes I don't have a solid 60 FPS... but does GTA on console have that? Nope... in fact I bet with my 23 fps min I have much better frames than the consoles. Heck, and I can tell the difference seeing as I played a damn lot of GTAIV/TLAD/TBOGT at a friend's house.

 

[mkey82]

Oh, have you played GTA IV on consoles? I've experienced more lagg than on my pc (700 euros, medion sh*t) with medium/high settings at a much higher res.

You're a damn troll... I have a medion PC (about 600 euro's) and I run GTAIV in much better settings much higher res than consoles. Yes I have framedrops and yes I don't have a solid 60 FPS... but does GTA on console have that? Nope... in fact I bet with my 23 fps min I have much better frames than the consoles. Heck, and I can tell the difference seeing as I played a damn lot of GTAIV/TLAD/TBOGT at a friend's house.

You totally misunderstood him.