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damian001

Things that could've improved tBoGT

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iiCriminnaaL 49

- Way more character development. (Armando, Rocco, Mori, Brucie, Evan, Bulgarin... even Luis himself.)

- Re-writing the conversations to be more believable.

- Balancing the game's colors - HUD, weather, so on.

- Changing the main theme to drug dealing, and making it "Liberty City just came a little darker!". (some people claim that this was R*'s plan in the first place, which might be true.)

- Making the missions grounded.

- Increasing the role of Armando and Henrique in the storyline. So the drug business will have a bigger role.

- Making the Northwood Dominican Drug Dealers a friendly gang, with the ability to call them for backup after Corner Kids is completed.

- Making Yusuf Amir a serious businessman, as was mentioned by Playboy X in IV.

- Getting Luis to move to a penthouse or a mansion after finishing Yusuf Amir's missions.

- Re-writing the main antagonist so it'll be Rocco rather than Bulgarin.

- The ability to hangout with Tony, Yusuf and Mori. (according to the game's files, it was originally planned to be present, at least with Tony and Mori. I don't know what made R* revert this.)

- The ability to call Luis' mother to get out (similar to friendship hangouts), for limited activities, like eating and attending shows.

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Vladistar_895

A lot more missions

Buy clothes and houses

More missions or apparicions of Armando,Henrique and Luis' mom

Jobs for Yusuf(stole helicopters,cars,boats,guns,..)

Buy nightclubs and invest in them(after Departure Time)
Date girls

Armando and Henrique as backup

Hang out with Yusuf

More helicopters(maybe Hunter or Sea Sparrow)

Customize cars(nitro,hidraulic suspension,change colors,...)

More activities in nightclubs(more dancing contests in Maisonette)

Make the new Vladivostok FM music in a separate radio station

Increase Bulgarin's and Rocco's roles as antagonists(like they kidnap someone,stole something,kills Tony,damage the clubs)

Make Bulgarin "darker"(like GTA IV)

Maybe tatoo parlors and barber shops

Gyms 

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Davao

More missions

More clothes

Buy Properties

Be Able to Date Girls

 

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Algonquin Assassin

-Luis could've been a much more interesting character. Compared to Niko and even Johnny he's rather bland. Throughout the story it was like controlling a lifeless avatar that was so chilled and relaxed it just made him boring. Yes I know this is entirely subjective of course, but it surprises me for such a young guy he never seemed to want anything more for himself. 

 

-For the love of god I wish R* hid that mission checklist crap in a separate menu like the later titles. It's annoying passing a mission and being reminded of everything I didn't do to get 100%.  

 

-Buying clothes should've been brought back. His limited selection is ok, but this should've been the opportunity to expand GTA IV's clothing options, but they took it away and regressed. *shrugs*.

 

-Remove the like/respect meters. This is something I think feels out of place in TLAD too. In both of them Johnny and Luis already have perks unlocked from their friends so there's no point to like or respect unlike Niko when hanging out with friends and doing side missions helped improved them.

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Copcaller

Return of dating Luis is supposed to be a ladies man and player

 

Buying clothes

 

Bahama mamas

 

Making Bulgarian the antagonist for Niko instead Luis should have killed old man ancleotti or Rocco at least maybe they kill henrique or Armando and make things personal

 

Fleshing out luis like hes supposed to represent the niko who finally moves on from being a criminal like maybe show how hes torn between his friends in the hood and mom and his new club lifestyle

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iiCriminnaaL 49
3 hours ago, Copcaller said:

Making Bulgarian the antagonist for Niko...

Can't agree more.

 

Rascalov is already one of the best written antagonists, but I always thought that Bulgarin could've been an even more interesting antagonist, due to his sadistically and badass attitude. What also makes it even better is the fact that Niko had history with him before Liberty City's 2008 events, which was one of the two main reasons of why Niko left his hometown in the first place. And anyway, Bulgarin was the reason of Rascalov's betrayal.

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TheSantader25

-Being an actual spin off instead of a DLC. 

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Outlaw Biker Viking

1. Ability to buy clothes.

2. Ability to call Henrique and Armando for backup.

3. For R* to hide the whole mission checklist thing.

4. Ability to date girlfriends.

5. More missions involving Armando and Henrique.

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Geisterfaust

It's funny how nobody asks for vehicle ownership. IMO that feature was the watershed and it ruined classical GTA approach where you don't own more than you have on your back or at your garages. One of the bests aspects of IV for me was the fact it's not Grand Buy Auto.

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Zello

Buying clothes

 

More safehouses

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backsliced
On 11/6/2009 at 4:37 AM, Ash_735 said:

The music could of used some real improvement too, in this episode it only feels like K109 and San Juan Sounds fit, Electrochoc abandons it's theme to go with some clubbing R&B Dancehall style and Vladivostok FM, well, I don't need to mention that. 

Happy Wheels 3D.

I felt like they could of spent time actually working on the Radio this time around, songs on RAMJAM FM could of easily been added to Tuff Gong Radio with a little leaway and Self-Actulaized FM could of easily been extra content on The Journey. At least these would of fit instead of being rolled out as New Stations. The extra content on Vladivostok should of been a new station within itself along the lines of Vice City FM.

I was thinking of those stations too, but I completely forgot about it while making the topic. I knew something was missing. I'll add it right now.

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KiwiAlpha

I think this DLC is a masterpiece. After playing Gay Tony, it's hard to go back to playing regular GTA 4. The graphics are especially upgraded, and the weather actually resembles New York more closely lol. 

 

Despite this, I still find a few things could have been better, especially Bahama Mamas. It's much larger and plays better music than the Maisonette but it's closed during free roam. I get the club is closed because Luis killed the owner and the club was shot up, but Rockstar could have easily fit in a radio blurb that Bahama Mamas was purchased by Yusuf Amir and reopened, or something along those lines.

 

On 3/2/2019 at 2:18 AM, TheSantader25 said:

-Being an actual spin off instead of a DLC. 

I agree, Luis really needed his own game. I can totally see Gay Tony as a stand-alone game with GTA 4's length.

 

On 4/23/2018 at 7:40 PM, iiCriminnaaL 49 said:

- Changing the main theme to drug dealing, and making it "Liberty City just came a little darker!". (some people claim that this was R*'s plan in the first place, which might be true.)

I don't understand the obsession with making the game darker and revolve around drug-dealing. GTA 4 was already plenty dark and dealt with drug dealing in the storyline. Besides, Gay Tony has an endless side mission to hang out with Armando and Henrique and collect drugs.

 

On 4/23/2018 at 7:40 PM, iiCriminnaaL 49 said:

- Making Yusuf Amir a serious businessman, as was mentioned by Playboy X in IV.

With "serious", maybe Playboy X wasn't referring to Yusuf's behavior or his attitude. I think he means "serious" as in being wealthy and having connections, not being a fraud, something like that. 

 

On 4/23/2018 at 7:40 PM, iiCriminnaaL 49 said:

- Getting Luis to move to a penthouse or a mansion after finishing Yusuf Amir's missions.

I completely agree, this was a missed opportunity in GTA 4. The penthouses in Middle Park are very nicely done, but I find it strange how Rockstar never used one of the beautiful mansions in Alderney as a safehouse.

 

On 4/23/2018 at 7:40 PM, iiCriminnaaL 49 said:

- The ability to hangout with Tony, Yusuf and Mori. (according to the game's files, it was originally planned to be present, at least with Tony and Mori. I don't know what made R* revert this.)

Yusuf I can totally see as a friend to hang out with, especially for the high-end activities. Mori isn't available to hang out with because Luis dislikes him and he leaves for Israel by the end of the game. Why not Brucie instead?

Tony is Luis' business partner, and his being gay, Rockstar probably didn't want to put Luis' sexuality into question. Besides, you see him enough times in the storyline. It wouldn't make much sense anyway.

 

On 1/7/2019 at 6:11 AM, SonOfLiberty said:

-Buying clothes should've been brought back. His limited selection is ok, but this should've been the opportunity to expand GTA IV's clothing options, but they took it away and regressed. *shrugs*.

I appreciate the ability to purchase clothes was removed. Luis's outfits are really well done, far better than anything in GTA 4 and suit a youngster like him. 

The clothing selection in GTA 4 felt incomplete in my opinion. There was the Russian shop which sold typical gangster tracksuits (low-end), a Gap-esque store with really terrible dress shirts (mid-range), and Perseus, which was full of outdated suits (high-end). For New York, a world capital for fashion, it's very disappointing. They could have either expanded Perseus's selection or have another store that sells casual high-end clothing, à la Ralph Lauren or Louis Vuitton.

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Tacymist

Car customization would have been good with NOS as one of the options. And buying properties/businesses; maybe clubs or something like that. It's still my favorite of the trilogy, but I always wished it had those two things, would've made it 100% more fun for me.

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Algonquin Assassin
On 6/20/2019 at 5:10 AM, KiwiAlpha said:

I appreciate the ability to purchase clothes was removed. Luis's outfits are really well done, far better than anything in GTA 4 and suit a youngster like him. 

The clothing selection in GTA 4 felt incomplete in my opinion. There was the Russian shop which sold typical gangster tracksuits (low-end), a Gap-esque store with really terrible dress shirts (mid-range), and Perseus, which was full of outdated suits (high-end). For New York, a world capital for fashion, it's very disappointing. They could have either expanded Perseus's selection or have another store that sells casual high-end clothing, à la Ralph Lauren or Louis Vuitton.

I realise this is a rather old post, but there's seems to be somewhat of a contradiction I noticed. I don't see how TBOGT "removing" the ability to buy clothes is a good thing in any way, shape or form since GTA IV always gets criticised for the things it doesn't have. Tastes in clothing are subjective and I never really had a problem with GTA IV's clothing, but shopping at Ralph Lauren or Louis Vuitton or something inspired by them is exactly the kind of thing i'd expect Luis to do. Not Niko since Luis is into all that high end classy sh*t and it would make sense for him to indulge in.

 

I didn't expect something on the scale of San Andreas or GTA V, but I was surprised that buying clothes was removed entirely. I don't think GTA IV needed the second Perseus, but at the very least I was hoping TBOGT would contribute something unique like an additional clothing store that wasn't in GTA IV, but instead it went backwards.

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Niobium
Posted (edited)

-remove the annoying zoom lock

 

-remove the 100% screen

 

-make supercars spawn less frequently

 

-make that overpowered explosive shotgun only available with a phone cheat

 

-open bahama mamas

 

-change the name of vladivostok to eurodance fm. make maisonette play eurodance fm, and bahama mamas play electro choc

 

-make characters less annoying (seriously, what's the point of making mori annoying? i mean, he was never gonna be an antagonist because he's brucie's brother. does rockstar think that being annoying is funny? i don't get it)

 

-show an easter egg in the end credits with niko dancing at maisonette and johnny fighting at lc cage fighters

 

-make yusuf a serious businessman

 

-bulgarin can still be the main antagonist. just cut out all the hokey sh*t from him and make him more threatening.

 

-the story could be improved. a darker storyline, with gay tony tragically getting killed by bulgarin perhaps.

 

-fewer OTT missions. for example, that subway train mission was dumb

 

-make luis have angrier war cries. his war cries are hit and miss. sometimes they are just as angry as niko and johnny's, but other times they are too calm. watch this video and you know what i will mean.

 

 

at 26:00, the war cries start out angry. but around 26:21, they get too calm

 

 

 

-more character development from luis. i like the idea of someone who believes they are more that just a criminal and want to make something of himself. but deep down, is a psychopathic killer and won't admit it. for example, bulgarin's pistol execution could have went down like this:

 

bulgarin: "you're a killer luis! your family knows it, your friends know it, and your late boss blinded you to it! you should be thanking me luis, i freed you from control of gay tony! you are a killer, not a bouncer! being a criminal is what you were bred to do!"

 

luis presses R2 while aiming to trigger the execution

 

luis: "f*ck you bulgarin! this is for tony-"

 

bulgarin: "yessss, let the rage flow through you! embrace the hatred! psychotic killer is who you are!"

 

*luis shoots bulgarins lots of times, like how niko killed darko*

 

bulgarin: "i'll.... see... you... in... hell..." *pulls out grenade*

 

then the plane blows up like normal and luis parachutes out, but without sh*tty electro-choc playing

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iiCriminnaaL 49
Posted (edited)
6 hours ago, Niobium said:

-remove the 100% screen

 

You can do that by deleting the missionstattracker.sco file from script.img 😜. Although, the stats will still be available in the stats option of the pause menu.

 

6 hours ago, Niobium said:

-more character development from luis. i like the idea of someone who believes they are more that just a criminal and want to make something of himself. but deep down, is a psychopathic killer and won't admit it. for example, bulgarin's pistol execution could have went down like this:

 

bulgarin: "you're a killer luis! your family knows it, your friends know it, and your late boss blinded you to it! you should be thanking me luis, i freed you from control of gay tony! you are a killer, not a bouncer! being a criminal is what you were bred to do!"

 

luis presses R2 while aiming to trigger the execution

 

luis: "f*ck you bulgarin! this is for tony-"

 

bulgarin: "yessss, let the rage flow through you! embrace the hatred! psychotic killer is who you are!"

 

*luis shoots bulgarins lots of times, like how niko killed darko*

 

bulgarin: "i'll.... see... you... in... hell..." *pulls out grenade*

 

then the plane blows up like normal and luis parachutes out, but without sh*tty electro-choc playing

I gotta say, this seems like quite a good scenario. Bulgarin's execution was nowhere as good as those of GTA IV or TLAD, felt too generic. Not to mention that unfortunately, it's the only in-game execution in the game, meanwhile in TLAD (which is also a bit shorter by a few missions as well) you got two: Brian's and Billy's.

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Niobium
2 hours ago, iiCriminnaaL 49 said:

You can do that by deleting the missionstattracker.sco file from script.img 😜. Although, the stats will still be available in the stats option of the pause menu.

 

I gotta say, this seems like quite a good scenario. Bulgarin's execution was nowhere as good as those of GTA IV or TLAD, felt too generic. Not to mention that unfortunately, it's the only in-game execution in the game, meanwhile in TLAD (which is also a bit shorter by a few missions as well) you got two: Brian's and Billy's.

indeed, and billy and brian had more memorable executions. brian was about to be executed while call from the grave was blaring in the background, and billy was the only character who accepted his fate and did not cower or get angry at the protagonist like other characters did. "checkmate dude."

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1 minute ago, Niobium said:

indeed, and billy and brian had more memorable executions. brian was about to be executed while call from the grave was blaring in the background, and billy was the only character who accepted his fate and did not cower or get angry at the protagonist like other characters did. "checkmate dude."

Exactly.

 

Not only that, but their executions also had unique animations that were made specifically for them. TBOGT's one was basically a normal kill, only with mission dialogue and not taking control of the player.

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