Why do you want PhysX?

[ikt]

 

Its funny because people refering to it as "PissX" are just making themselves look like total retards.

 

@People bitching, Why do you care if PhysX is implemented? If you dont like it, youll be able to just disable the PhysX settings, like every other setting with an "ON/OFF" switch.

Dont bitch about it, stopping people who WANT it from getting it. There is NOTHING wrong with wanting realistic clothing, tearing, glass. If your opposing that, your just opposing game development.

 

I would love to have glass that smashed into thousands of pieces. Clothes that move, and rip, when I shot through them. Peds could have completly different clothes, things that sway, things you could shoot through if you missed the ped.

 

tl:dr; fufufufu

It's funny how people don't read replies and start posting. At the moment PhysX doesn't introduce ANYTHING remarkable. If GTA IV had realistic clothing and tearing glass, i wouldn't be bitching about people who want PhysX. But GTA IV DOESN'T have those things.

 

And look at this:

http://code.google.com/p/bullet/downloads/list

 

Download the demo and hate PhysX advertising

Edited November 6, 2009 by ikt

[azkay]

 

Its funny because people refering to it as "PissX" are just making themselves look like total retards.

 

@People bitching, Why do you care if PhysX is implemented? If you dont like it, youll be able to just disable the PhysX settings, like every other setting with an "ON/OFF" switch.

Dont bitch about it, stopping people who WANT it from getting it. There is NOTHING wrong with wanting realistic clothing, tearing, glass. If your opposing that, your just opposing game development.

 

I would love to have glass that smashed into thousands of pieces. Clothes that move, and rip, when I shot through them. Peds could have completly different clothes, things that sway, things you could shoot through if you missed the ped.

 

tl:dr; fufufufu

It's funny how people don't read replies and start posting. At the moment PhysX doesn't introduce ANYTHING remarkable. If GTA IV had realistic clothing and tearing glass, i wouldn't be bitching about people who want PhysX. But GTA IV DOESN'T have those things.

 

And look at this:

http://code.google.com/p/bullet/downloads/list

 

Download the demo and hate PhysX advertising

Its funny how people make assumptions based on nothing.

At the moment PhysX doesn't introduce ANYTHING remarkable

Yes, it does. Everythings its introduced, is remarkable.

If GTA IV had realistic clothing and tearing glass, i wouldn't be bitching about people who want PhysX.

Makes no sense.

But GTA IV DOESN'T have those things.

CAPTAIN OBVIOUS

Download the demo and hate PhysX advertising

I dont get it.

 

 

EDIT::

Just to make things clear, Im talking about GTAIV should have what PhysX does.

I really couldnt care less if it was PhysX, or some other API. Im saying, it should have the things like the glass, clothing, all that jazz.

[mkey82]

Name one game that had "remarkable" physics effects.

[syrdax]

 

At the moment PhysX doesn't introduce ANYTHING remarkable

I hope you are talking about GTA 4 and/or just few games; because I can play Batman with PhysX on or off and I can tell you that there is a great difference between the 2 states. With PhysX on I don't lose any FPS and I can see a lot of things that I don't with it turn off.

I don't know other games, but in Batman, it does have a great impact.

 

 

Name one game that had "remarkable" physics effects.

Batman Arkham Asylum

[mkey82]

Yeah, I said "remarkable".

[MitchyK]

I normally don't wade in on these "arguments to nowhere", however i'm bored right now and my meds haven't kicked in yet! So, a CERTAIN group of gamers would only benefit from Physx, Nvidia has a 67% market share that's quite a large certain group, now i have both radeon's and geforce cards in the house, so i'm not biased, however i do prefer nvidia cards, as usually they have the price/performance ratio when i'm in the market for an upgrade, and when i say performance, i take everything into account not just raw gaming horsepower. I do a lot of video work, and some 3d rendering alongside, so anything that will speed up that process is fine by me. And if takes a the load off the cpu so i can carry on building menu frontends then great!

The same when i'm playing games, if physx can take some of the load off my "antiquated Q9550" (lol), then that's good. I don't give a rat's a** if someone else doesn't like it. And if they world was run by fanboys, we'd still be arguing over the chicken or the f***ing egg.

Physx is the latest development in a long line of developments, just like havok or hyperthreading or colour displays, and i remember everytime one of them came along, some bright spark would say "yeah, but do we really need it?", BIll Gates himself is famous for saying he doesn't see a day where anyone would need more than 640K of ram in their PC!

Try running GTAIV on that you nay sayers. See how far that gets you. if you can install it on the 20mb hard drive you got on your 486 based pc!

Physx is a development, ANY development is good. Some die along the way, but lessons are learned for the next round of development, some stick aorund are improved upon. I remember the dos only days, Thank christ for GUI's.

As Nvidia have already been supportive and helpful to the guy who was getting Physx running on ATI cards, then while it's not open source, it's heading in the right direction.

If GTAIV had Physx i think it would have helped framerate for those able to use it, maybe that will make it into the next GTA if it makes to PC, maybe not, i'll still play it, and i'll still enjoy it, So there! LOL

 

MitchyK

Edited November 6, 2009 by MitchyK

[azkay]

As been said many times, Mirrors Edge.

[NTAuthority]

I really don't have any idea why almost nobody mentioned that the Bullet physics engine which R* uses already has support for cross-GPU-manufacturer GPU-accelerated physics... it's not like PhysX's the only way to implement GPU-accelerated physics - R* would possibly just have to modify the GPU-acceleration code a bit and flip the switch. Or you're talking about some effects done with that - Bullet would probably be able to do that as well.

[Jigglyass]

Its funny because people refering to it as "PissX" are just making themselves look like total retards.

 

@People bitching, Why do you care if PhysX is implemented? If you dont like it, youll be able to just disable the PhysX settings, like every other setting with an "ON/OFF" switch.

Dont bitch about it, stopping people who WANT it from getting it. There is NOTHING wrong with wanting realistic clothing, tearing, glass. If your opposing that, your just opposing game development.

 

I would love to have glass that smashed into thousands of pieces. Clothes that move, and rip, when I shot through them. Peds could have completly different clothes, things that sway, things you could shoot through if you missed the ped.

 

tl:dr; fufufufu

PissX

In addition its nice from a perspective of a on and off switch. You got money to hire people to implement a feature that A CERTAIN group of gamers would be able to use?

Where is the profit?

Also, PissX.

They dont have to hire people to implement it, the people already hired are more than capable to do it.

Riiiiiiight.

[ikt]

I really don't have any idea why almost nobody mentioned that the Bullet physics engine which R* uses already has support for cross-GPU-manufacturer GPU-accelerated physics... it's not like PhysX's the only way to implement GPU-accelerated physics - R* would possibly just have to modify the GPU-acceleration code a bit and flip the switch. Or you're talking about some effects done with that - Bullet would probably be able to do that as well.

I did. But nobody cares. Everybody got brainwashed ny nVidia saying that their technology is tyhe only GPU physics application out there.

[CharmingCharlie]

 

I did. But nobody cares. Everybody got brainwashed ny nVidia saying that their technology is tyhe only GPU physics application out there.

So why didn't you make the topic about physx AND havok then ? It's because this topic has sod all to do with GTA 4 and just an excuse for you to rage against Nvidia's Physx's. Yes I would like to see more advanced physics in GTA 4, yes I would like to see GTA 4 use Dx10 and Dx11 (even though I don't have a Dx11 card). I want the games I play on the PC to use all technologies that are open to them regardless of whether I personally have access to those technologies or not. One day soon I will have a Dx11 card and I would love the chance to play the games all over again with access to Dx11 features, that is what PC gaming is all about.

 

If you are saying there is no need for physx in GTA 4 then there is equally no need for Havok in GTA 4 either. The fact is a lot of stuff in GTA 4 is "not needed" but it is there to add to the experience. The argument for using physx on the GPU is that it could be BETTER just like 3D rendering can be done on the CPU but it is BETTER done on the GPU.

 

You then go "oh we are all brainwashed by Nvidia" equally your opinion is being coloured by your hatred of Nvidia it seems. People are not brainwashed about Physx being the only technology out there but can you blame people for not knowing any different when ATI don't ever bother saying diddly f*cking squat about what they are doing physics wise.

[Jigglyass]

I did. But nobody cares. Everybody got brainwashed ny nVidia saying that their technology is tyhe only GPU physics application out there.

So why didn't you make the topic about physx AND havok then ? It's because this topic has sod all to do with GTA 4 and just an excuse for you to rage against Nvidia's Physx's. Yes I would like to see more advanced physics in GTA 4, yes I would like to see GTA 4 use Dx10 and Dx11 (even though I don't have a Dx11 card). I want the games I play on the PC to use all technologies that are open to them regardless of whether I personally have access to those technologies or not. One day soon I will have a Dx11 card and I would love the chance to play the games all over again with access to Dx11 features, that is what PC gaming is all about.

 

If you are saying there is no need for physx in GTA 4 then there is equally no need for Havok in GTA 4 either. The fact is a lot of stuff in GTA 4 is "not needed" but it is there to add to the experience. The argument for using physx on the GPU is that it could be BETTER just like 3D rendering can be done on the CPU but it is BETTER done on the GPU.

 

You then go "oh we are all brainwashed by Nvidia" equally your opinion is being coloured by your hatred of Nvidia it seems. People are not brainwashed about Physx being the only technology out there but can you blame people for not knowing any different when ATI don't ever bother saying diddly f*cking squat about what they are doing physics wise.

Its not the company which "brainwashes" people. Its the idiot fanboys who constantly flame war that company A is superior because it has this, when company B does not. This war will continue with this bullsh*t, sh*t you not Nvidia does influence this war a tad bit, but not on the scale of "brainwashing". One example is that new batman game. Unreal engine 3 does not have native support for AA, Nvidia implemented THEIR code in order for the game to have AA.

 

The problem with this is that they placed a vendor filter, which would block ATi cards from using AA.

Fair enough, its their code, but when this vendor filter detects an ATi card and HURTS performance on purpose, then that's just bullsh*t served. When the vendor filter was tricked into thinking an nvidia card was used while it actually was an ATi one, performance shot up. Brightsideofnews.com has the story.

 

Where im going with this? Well its quite obvious. Video card vendors need to stop being gigantic dicks (and im talking about ATi and Nvidia) and support one standard properly. In addition, both getting involved in the development of games, so they are properly supported on both cards.

[ikt]

Go JigglyAss!

 

Seems like this topic has evolved from a discussion if PhysX was needed to a hate-the-ikt-because-he-hates-nVidia-advertising-strategies-topic.

[mkey82]

I would say that with the current state of both physx and GTAIV, we really don't need physx in this game. As is. Also, imagine if R* had to implement something like that, it would take 2 years to publish the fekking game. Seriously.

[azkay]

I did. But nobody cares. Everybody got brainwashed ny nVidia saying that their technology is tyhe only GPU physics application out there.

So why didn't you make the topic about physx AND havok then ? It's because this topic has sod all to do with GTA 4 and just an excuse for you to rage against Nvidia's Physx's. Yes I would like to see more advanced physics in GTA 4, yes I would like to see GTA 4 use Dx10 and Dx11 (even though I don't have a Dx11 card). I want the games I play on the PC to use all technologies that are open to them regardless of whether I personally have access to those technologies or not. One day soon I will have a Dx11 card and I would love the chance to play the games all over again with access to Dx11 features, that is what PC gaming is all about.

 

If you are saying there is no need for physx in GTA 4 then there is equally no need for Havok in GTA 4 either. The fact is a lot of stuff in GTA 4 is "not needed" but it is there to add to the experience. The argument for using physx on the GPU is that it could be BETTER just like 3D rendering can be done on the CPU but it is BETTER done on the GPU.

 

You then go "oh we are all brainwashed by Nvidia" equally your opinion is being coloured by your hatred of Nvidia it seems. People are not brainwashed about Physx being the only technology out there but can you blame people for not knowing any different when ATI don't ever bother saying diddly f*cking squat about what they are doing physics wise.

Its not the company which "brainwashes" people. Its the idiot fanboys who constantly flame war that company A is superior because it has this, when company B does not. This war will continue with this bullsh*t, sh*t you not Nvidia does influence this war a tad bit, but not on the scale of "brainwashing". One example is that new batman game. Unreal engine 3 does not have native support for AA, Nvidia implemented THEIR code in order for the game to have AA.

 

The problem with this is that they placed a vendor filter, which would block ATi cards from using AA.

Fair enough, its their code, but when this vendor filter detects an ATi card and HURTS performance on purpose, then that's just bullsh*t served. When the vendor filter was tricked into thinking an nvidia card was used while it actually was an ATi one, performance shot up. Brightsideofnews.com has the story.

 

Where im going with this? Well its quite obvious. Video card vendors need to stop being gigantic dicks (and im talking about ATi and Nvidia) and support one standard properly. In addition, both getting involved in the development of games, so they are properly supported on both cards.

Yeah, you even said it yourself.

THEIR code, if they choose to not have it run on ATI, It doesnt matter. Its theirs.

They can do whatever they want with it, there isnt a reason FOR them to code, for the competitor.

 

Also, pretty sure batman would have one of those "Best ran with nvidia" logos in it, so once again,

as long as their sponsoring the game as "best ran on nvidia hardware", they can code it to best run on their hardware.

[n11lc2]

where did you get the information that the game uses pre defined animations? lmao

[Chevyboy]

I did. But nobody cares. Everybody got brainwashed ny nVidia saying that their technology is tyhe only GPU physics application out there.

So why didn't you make the topic about physx AND havok then ? It's because this topic has sod all to do with GTA 4 and just an excuse for you to rage against Nvidia's Physx's. Yes I would like to see more advanced physics in GTA 4, yes I would like to see GTA 4 use Dx10 and Dx11 (even though I don't have a Dx11 card). I want the games I play on the PC to use all technologies that are open to them regardless of whether I personally have access to those technologies or not. One day soon I will have a Dx11 card and I would love the chance to play the games all over again with access to Dx11 features, that is what PC gaming is all about.

 

If you are saying there is no need for physx in GTA 4 then there is equally no need for Havok in GTA 4 either. The fact is a lot of stuff in GTA 4 is "not needed" but it is there to add to the experience. The argument for using physx on the GPU is that it could be BETTER just like 3D rendering can be done on the CPU but it is BETTER done on the GPU.

 

You then go "oh we are all brainwashed by Nvidia" equally your opinion is being coloured by your hatred of Nvidia it seems. People are not brainwashed about Physx being the only technology out there but can you blame people for not knowing any different when ATI don't ever bother saying diddly f*cking squat about what they are doing physics wise.

Its not the company which "brainwashes" people. Its the idiot fanboys who constantly flame war that company A is superior because it has this, when company B does not. This war will continue with this bullsh*t, sh*t you not Nvidia does influence this war a tad bit, but not on the scale of "brainwashing". One example is that new batman game. Unreal engine 3 does not have native support for AA, Nvidia implemented THEIR code in order for the game to have AA.

 

The problem with this is that they placed a vendor filter, which would block ATi cards from using AA.

Fair enough, its their code, but when this vendor filter detects an ATi card and HURTS performance on purpose, then that's just bullsh*t served. When the vendor filter was tricked into thinking an nvidia card was used while it actually was an ATi one, performance shot up. Brightsideofnews.com has the story.

 

Where im going with this? Well its quite obvious. Video card vendors need to stop being gigantic dicks (and im talking about ATi and Nvidia) and support one standard properly. In addition, both getting involved in the development of games, so they are properly supported on both cards.

Yeah, you even said it yourself.

THEIR code, if they choose to not have it run on ATI, It doesnt matter. Its theirs.

They can do whatever they want with it, there isnt a reason FOR them to code, for the competitor.

 

Also, pretty sure batman would have one of those "Best ran with nvidia" logos in it, so once again,

as long as their sponsoring the game as "best ran on nvidia hardware", they can code it to best run on their hardware.

Your inept reading skills are astounding. I suggest you read the article again with a more open mind. Fanboy's will be fanboy's tho i suppose.

 

If that doesn't work than think back to when Nvidia owned the market and upgrading from a $300 8800 to a $500 9800 was the only option. Remember that? Want that again?

[BKwegoharder]

I did. But nobody cares. Everybody got brainwashed ny nVidia saying that their technology is tyhe only GPU physics application out there.

So why didn't you make the topic about physx AND havok then ? It's because this topic has sod all to do with GTA 4 and just an excuse for you to rage against Nvidia's Physx's. Yes I would like to see more advanced physics in GTA 4, yes I would like to see GTA 4 use Dx10 and Dx11 (even though I don't have a Dx11 card). I want the games I play on the PC to use all technologies that are open to them regardless of whether I personally have access to those technologies or not. One day soon I will have a Dx11 card and I would love the chance to play the games all over again with access to Dx11 features, that is what PC gaming is all about.

 

If you are saying there is no need for physx in GTA 4 then there is equally no need for Havok in GTA 4 either. The fact is a lot of stuff in GTA 4 is "not needed" but it is there to add to the experience. The argument for using physx on the GPU is that it could be BETTER just like 3D rendering can be done on the CPU but it is BETTER done on the GPU.

 

You then go "oh we are all brainwashed by Nvidia" equally your opinion is being coloured by your hatred of Nvidia it seems. People are not brainwashed about Physx being the only technology out there but can you blame people for not knowing any different when ATI don't ever bother saying diddly f*cking squat about what they are doing physics wise.

Its not the company which "brainwashes" people. Its the idiot fanboys who constantly flame war that company A is superior because it has this, when company B does not. This war will continue with this bullsh*t, sh*t you not Nvidia does influence this war a tad bit, but not on the scale of "brainwashing". One example is that new batman game. Unreal engine 3 does not have native support for AA, Nvidia implemented THEIR code in order for the game to have AA.

 

The problem with this is that they placed a vendor filter, which would block ATi cards from using AA.

Fair enough, its their code, but when this vendor filter detects an ATi card and HURTS performance on purpose, then that's just bullsh*t served. When the vendor filter was tricked into thinking an nvidia card was used while it actually was an ATi one, performance shot up. Brightsideofnews.com has the story.

 

Where im going with this? Well its quite obvious. Video card vendors need to stop being gigantic dicks (and im talking about ATi and Nvidia) and support one standard properly. In addition, both getting involved in the development of games, so they are properly supported on both cards.

Yeah, you even said it yourself.

THEIR code, if they choose to not have it run on ATI, It doesnt matter. Its theirs.

They can do whatever they want with it, there isnt a reason FOR them to code, for the competitor.

 

Also, pretty sure batman would have one of those "Best ran with nvidia" logos in it, so once again,

as long as their sponsoring the game as "best ran on nvidia hardware", they can code it to best run on their hardware.

The problem is, the way they implemented it hurt performance on AMD cardss. From the way it was implemented you can easily see that part of it was made in a way to purposefully hurt performance even when the AMD cards don't run AA. It makes it so that the game runs the very beginning stages of AA on the AMD cards so the amd cards get a performance hit, but it prevents the method from being fully done so you don't get a visual difference. It's like spreading a virus in a game to lower performance.

 

 

 

[CharmingCharlie]

Yeah and ATI are goody two shoes and never pulled sh*t like that on Nvidia have they . The fact is both ATI and Nvidia are sh*t to be a fanboy of either company is retarded beyond words. However in the case of Batman at least Nvidia stepped up to the plate and offered support to the developer, where as ATI couldn't give a flying sh*t.

 

If Larrabee from Intel actually lives up to the hype I will ditch both Nvidia and ATI as soon as I can (unless IBM sell out to Sony/Microsoft like the other two have). However which ever card I end up with in the future I will always be in favour of shifting the work load off the CPU onto the GPU. That is why I would be in favour of GTA 4 using physx's because it does just that.

[ikt]

 

Yeah and ATI are goody two shoes and never pulled sh*t like that on Nvidia have they  .  The fact is both ATI and Nvidia are sh*t to be a fanboy of either company is retarded beyond words.  However in the case of Batman at least Nvidia stepped up to the plate and offered support to the developer, where as ATI couldn't give a flying sh*t.

 

If Larrabee from Intel actually lives up to the hype I will ditch both Nvidia and ATI as soon as I can (unless IBM sell out to Sony/Microsoft like the other two have).  However which ever card I end up with in the future I will always be in favour of shifting the work load off the CPU onto the GPU.  That is why I would be in favour of GTA 4 using physx's because it does just that.

Wouldn't it be even better if GTA IV uses a physics engine that actually doesn't give specific hardware models an advantage but is even? Accelerating physics using GPU AND CPU? Cross-manifacture software? Oh wait. GTA IV ALREADY HAS IT.

Somebody posted this link already, don't think anyone has seen it yet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Theft_Auto_IV#Vehicles

 

Bullet physics engine:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullet_%28software%29

 

OpenCL support, parrallel CPU/GPU calculations:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenCL

 

RAGE actually has this engine merged into it.

http://www.bulletphysics.org/Bullet/phpBB3...71&f=&t=#p11971

 

Now tell me why PhysX is soooooo much better than what GTA IV uses at the moment. Tell me my it's so innovative. Using only a PPU/modified GPU/GPU able of rendering physics to render physics. Both ATI and Nvidia support this. And don't start bithing about this one physics engine is optimised for ATI blablabla, it's also optimised for CUDA, the thing Nvidia uses.

 

Quoting you a few posts ago:

 

If you are saying there is no need for physx in GTA 4 then there is equally no need for Havok in GTA 4 either. The fact is a lot of stuff in GTA 4 is "not needed" but it is there to add to the experience. The argument for using physx on the GPU is that it could be BETTER just like 3D rendering can be done on the CPU but it is BETTER done on the GPU.

Indeed, there isn't any need for PhysX if we already have something compareable. Most people don't run SLI/CF/ATI for graphics, Nvidia for physics/other dual graphics card things. Bullet on OpenCL actually divides the performance over 2 components, without killing one specific piece of hardware. Better performance? Probably. 1/4th a core used on the CPU, half a bit of power used on the GPU. Seems okay to me. (Providing people saying that physics are calculated easier on a GPU).

 

Damn, can't express myself in English.

Edited November 6, 2009 by ikt

[Jigglyass]

I did. But nobody cares. Everybody got brainwashed ny nVidia saying that their technology is tyhe only GPU physics application out there.

So why didn't you make the topic about physx AND havok then ? It's because this topic has sod all to do with GTA 4 and just an excuse for you to rage against Nvidia's Physx's. Yes I would like to see more advanced physics in GTA 4, yes I would like to see GTA 4 use Dx10 and Dx11 (even though I don't have a Dx11 card). I want the games I play on the PC to use all technologies that are open to them regardless of whether I personally have access to those technologies or not. One day soon I will have a Dx11 card and I would love the chance to play the games all over again with access to Dx11 features, that is what PC gaming is all about.

 

If you are saying there is no need for physx in GTA 4 then there is equally no need for Havok in GTA 4 either. The fact is a lot of stuff in GTA 4 is "not needed" but it is there to add to the experience. The argument for using physx on the GPU is that it could be BETTER just like 3D rendering can be done on the CPU but it is BETTER done on the GPU.

 

You then go "oh we are all brainwashed by Nvidia" equally your opinion is being coloured by your hatred of Nvidia it seems. People are not brainwashed about Physx being the only technology out there but can you blame people for not knowing any different when ATI don't ever bother saying diddly f*cking squat about what they are doing physics wise.

Its not the company which "brainwashes" people. Its the idiot fanboys who constantly flame war that company A is superior because it has this, when company B does not. This war will continue with this bullsh*t, sh*t you not Nvidia does influence this war a tad bit, but not on the scale of "brainwashing". One example is that new batman game. Unreal engine 3 does not have native support for AA, Nvidia implemented THEIR code in order for the game to have AA.

 

The problem with this is that they placed a vendor filter, which would block ATi cards from using AA.

Fair enough, its their code, but when this vendor filter detects an ATi card and HURTS performance on purpose, then that's just bullsh*t served. When the vendor filter was tricked into thinking an nvidia card was used while it actually was an ATi one, performance shot up. Brightsideofnews.com has the story.

 

Where im going with this? Well its quite obvious. Video card vendors need to stop being gigantic dicks (and im talking about ATi and Nvidia) and support one standard properly. In addition, both getting involved in the development of games, so they are properly supported on both cards.

Yeah, you even said it yourself.

THEIR code, if they choose to not have it run on ATI, It doesnt matter. Its theirs.

They can do whatever they want with it, there isnt a reason FOR them to code, for the competitor.

 

Also, pretty sure batman would have one of those "Best ran with nvidia" logos in it, so once again,

as long as their sponsoring the game as "best ran on nvidia hardware", they can code it to best run on their hardware.

IM RAGING SO f*ckING HARD RIGHT NOW.

Please, read it again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again til you understand my point.

[Jigglyass]

Fast unrelated point. Im amazed that the fact ATi literally owns the market right now with their cards with all ranges between midrange to high end. The thing is that they do not do the batsh*t insane prices unlike nvidia and the 8800 ultra days. Unlike nvidia if they roll something out powerful and the other company can't beat it, they ask insane amount of money for the card. Like the 8800 ulta. I lold when i saw its price.

[supermortalhuman]

That's kinda the reason they own the market right now, they are selling cheap. ATi used to be "full priced" iirc. I LOL'd too, they ask entirely too much for a gfx card. It's still more than a 3800 series lol.

[CharmingCharlie]

All I have seen from both ikt and JigglyAss is a bitchfest about Nvidia. I have no doubt if the shoe was on the other foot and it was ATI in possession of Physx you would be screaming for Rockstar to use it, but no because it is Nvidia they are the devil spawn and must be opposed at every turn.

 

I actually find the stuff Nvidia are doing with physx to be interesting unlike ATI which just churn out faster cards. Oh whoopee f*cking do I got the latest ATI card that means I can run the game at 90fps instead of 80fps that will really make a f*cking difference to my gaming experience won't it

 

I would like to see more games using the GPU to do MORE than just rendering the graphics. But no because Nvidia have heavily invested in physx's they shouldn't benefit from it. In fact they should be true socialists and just do all the work and hand it over to ATI.

 

This topic just comes across as you raging against Nvidia as the big bad wolf and nothing else. It is immaterial to debate it anyway because this is a console port and it will never use physx or Havok or even Dx10 or 11. But hey that won't stop you having a bitchfest about Nvidia now will it.

 

Oh and JigglyAss don't double post, the edit button is there for a reason you know. As for ATI owning the market ? Hm the steam survey would have to disagree with you there but I aint gonna stand in the way of an ATI fanboy in full steam.

[mkey82]

Yeah, ATI also has it's useless physics engine plus they do offer DX11, for the good it will do. Unlike Nivida and their miserably fake fermi boards lol

[Jigglyass]

All I have seen from both ikt and JigglyAss is a bitchfest about Nvidia. I have no doubt if the shoe was on the other foot and it was ATI in possession of Physx you would be screaming for Rockstar to use it, but no because it is Nvidia they are the devil spawn and must be opposed at every turn.

 

I actually find the stuff Nvidia are doing with physx to be interesting unlike ATI which just churn out faster cards. Oh whoopee f*cking do I got the latest ATI card that means I can run the game at 90fps instead of 80fps that will really make a f*cking difference to my gaming experience won't it

 

I would like to see more games using the GPU to do MORE than just rendering the graphics. But no because Nvidia have heavily invested in physx's they shouldn't benefit from it. In fact they should be true socialists and just do all the work and hand it over to ATI.

 

This topic just comes across as you raging against Nvidia as the big bad wolf and nothing else. It is immaterial to debate it anyway because this is a console port and it will never use physx or Havok or even Dx10 or 11. But hey that won't stop you having a bitchfest about Nvidia now will it.

 

Oh and JigglyAss don't double post, the edit button is there for a reason you know. As for ATI owning the market ? Hm the steam survey would have to disagree with you there but I aint gonna stand in the way of an ATI fanboy in full steam.

First of all bitchfest? Care to elaborate the all amity?

I don't bitch, i criticize and it feels good man.

ATi has sh*tload of flaws too such as sh*tty drivers, poor game support, hell poor alot of things.

I don't favor nvidia nor ATi because they are both flawed like there is no tomorrow.

"Physx you would be screaming for Rockstar to use it, but no because it is Nvidia they are the devil spawn and must be opposed at every turn."

Hurr look at me i can predict anything and everything.

I YET TO OWN AN ATI card. I don't care for PissX. You know why? BECAUSE ITS AN INSIDE STANDARD.

Furthermore Charlie, your claim that im a ATi fanboy is... invalid.

[CharmingCharlie]

Well how about you stop acting like an ATI fanboy with childish sh*t like "PissX" that isn't the name of it and you damn well know it. I am getting tired of seeing your ranting sh*t on this board it seems to me you don't like a single god damn thing about anything computer related these days, you just come on here to attack and abuse people from what I can see.

[Jigglyass]

 

Well how about you stop acting like an ATI fanboy with childish sh*t like "PissX" that isn't the name of it and you damn well know it.  I am getting tired of seeing your ranting sh*t on this board it seems to me you don't like a single god damn thing about anything computer related these days, you just come on here to attack and abuse people from what I can see.

>Attack and abuse.

Elaborate? I criticize and if you don't like my criticism you can always ignore it.

As for piss x i might consider it, just for you

 

"don't like a single god damn thing about anything computer related these days,"

What? Nah.

Edited November 7, 2009 by JigglyAss

[BKwegoharder]

Yeah and ATI are goody two shoes and never pulled sh*t like that on Nvidia have they . The fact is both ATI and Nvidia are sh*t to be a fanboy of either company is retarded beyond words. However in the case of Batman at least Nvidia stepped up to the plate and offered support to the developer, where as ATI couldn't give a flying sh*t.

 

If Larrabee from Intel actually lives up to the hype I will ditch both Nvidia and ATI as soon as I can (unless IBM sell out to Sony/Microsoft like the other two have). However which ever card I end up with in the future I will always be in favour of shifting the work load off the CPU onto the GPU. That is why I would be in favour of GTA 4 using physx's because it does just that.

Who said that AMD doesn't do this stuff? We weren't talking about AMD though so that's why no one brought up whaqt they did. Back in the early days with the 486 processors AMD basically rippedIntel off since their processors were just about exactly the same as intels just overclocked and they simply used fans to to cool their cpus since back then passive cooling was used most.

 

And Larabee looks like it is going to suck hard, the concept is real good, but they aimed to low with performance and they fell to far back in the release date, the raw performance looks like it is going to be around 1TFLOP, that is what the 4850 can do, and by the time it is released the 6800 and GTX400 series are planned to be out.

[Chevyboy]

Yeah, ATI also has it's useless physics engine plus they do offer DX11, for the good it will do. Unlike Nivida and their miserably fake fermi boards lol

This.

 

Havok and PhysX will both be nothing more than fluff for the uninformed masses until a UNIVERSAL "PhysX" engine is developed AND adopted by developers and card makers alike. Both are garbage at the moment and the fact that people can get this worked up about a game having or not having it is a testament to the marketing. You know, the same way DX11 is "super amazing" yet will take a good long while to be adopted as anything close to mainstream.

 

Marketing and hype, seems to be the central theme to this thread

 

*And why not through some gas on the flames Fermi boards... lol fail.