Not f-in' London

[Sanjeem]

London would make an excelent setting, it has many gangs,lots of street gangs, small but alot of them like the Peckham boyz, but mainy London is dangerouse for bassicly youngsters not actually in a gang but hanging out with mates, as most of them carry knifes and guns, and alot of them are just naturally violent not in a gang. London also has Turkish Mafia, Italian Ndrangheta, Russian Bratva and Albanian Gangs so...its a good Loc.

 

BTW : Eastern promises is on in england tonight at 10, about the Soviet mafia, looks good.

[BrownBear]

BTW : Eastern promises is on in england tonight at 10, about the Soviet mafia, looks good.

Thats a brilliant film, its pretty brutal in parts but very good, Vincent Cassel is one of my favourite actors.

[Spaghetti Cat]

That was the movie I was thinking of...pretty good.

 

It would be the only movie I could think of besides Lock Stock and 2 Smoking Barrels that would work for me. I know there are lots of good brit movies out there (Oh Layer Cake as well...) but they are not as well known over here (or the rest of the world) as say Casino or The Departed. Since GTA has styled themselves on those types of movies, I really don't see them changing that anytime soon. London would be a good choice for a freeroam (pony farm) game in the future and I hope that it will be featured in AGENT. I just think the the GTA series will stay in the US for the time being (prepared to eat my words in the future though...)

[Sanjeem]

Yeah true, america is more about Goodfellas, Casino and gotti those italian mob kind of movies, whilst Eastern promises is about the Russian mob, nice to see a difference.

[Spaghetti Cat]

I meant good London based movie that GTA could take after, but yeah good flick

[infidel77]

NOT london please. There's nothing here, it's too business orientated, and I don't think the various London accents would work too well with GTA. For once, most gangs consist of pathetic young teenage scum who have nothing to do with their lives. GTA should be about sophisticated gangs with atleast some sort of culture and motive.

[General Goose]

NOT london please. There's nothing here, it's too business orientated, and I don't think the various London accents would work too well with GTA. For once, most gangs consist of pathetic young teenage scum who have nothing to do with their lives. GTA should be about sophisticated gangs with atleast some sort of culture and motive.

I must disagree with you. There is quite a lot here, and more than just business areas. And London has a massive organised crime scene. The teenage gangs wouldn't be the focus of a GTA.

[Sanjeem]

NOT london please. There's nothing here, it's too business orientated, and I don't think the various London accents would work too well with GTA. For once, most gangs consist of pathetic young teenage scum who have nothing to do with their lives. GTA should be about sophisticated gangs with atleast some sort of culture and motive.

I must disagree with you. There is quite a lot here, and more than just business areas. And London has a massive organised crime scene. The teenage gangs wouldn't be the focus of a GTA.

thats exactly what i mean, teen gangs here a dangerouse, small but alot of them, very unpredictable, but London has alot of Turkish Mafia supllying London with 80% of cocaine, Russian/Chechen mafia groups, Italian Ndrangheta clans controling the flow of 80% of cocaine through europe, and also Albanian Mafia controlling 75% of brothels in London. London has alot to offer when it comes to organized crime, not just traditional Italian mobsters either, but from alot, loads of other cultures aswell.

[Vercetti27]

NOT london please. There's nothing here, it's too business orientated, and I don't think the various London accents would work too well with GTA. For once, most gangs consist of pathetic young teenage scum who have nothing to do with their lives. GTA should be about sophisticated gangs with atleast some sort of culture and motive.

you really need to crawl out of your living room and go to london to know what its about . there are hundreds of unreported shootings and stabbing every month. don't get me started on the accent bollocks

[Typhus]

Are there any London gangs who still resemble the old English criminals? Like the Krays? Or is it all boring European and African types? Because, to be honest, I don't give a sh*t about Triads or Yardies, they're pretty boring.

[BrownBear]

Are there any London gangs who still resemble the old English criminals? Like the Krays? Or is it all boring European and African types? Because, to be honest, I don't give a sh*t about Triads or Yardies, they're pretty boring.

I think that would make a good story, the fall of traditional English organised crime in favour of newer ethnic gangs. Or you could set it in the 60's or 70's.

Gangs i could see being used are:

Kray style firm

Clerkenwell style Irish mob

Yardies

Triads

2 rival black street gangs

Turkish mafia

Russian mafia

Pakistani mafia

 

Sanjeem The Turks supply heroin, not cocaine.

 

[jnzooger]

One thing we could be sure of if they do a London only GTA....

 

Everyone would speak in BBC-English. It is the most well know accent of the UK, even if it is manufactured just for TV.

[General Goose]

One thing we could be sure of if they do a London only GTA....

 

Everyone would speak in BBC-English. It is the most well know accent of the UK, even if it is manufactured just for TV.

I'm sure if R* set a game in London, they'd do authentic accents.

[jnzooger]

One thing we could be sure of if they do a London only GTA....

 

Everyone would speak in BBC-English. It is the most well know accent of the UK, even if it is manufactured just for TV.

I'm sure if R* set a game in London, they'd do authentic accents.

No way they would. That is the thing that makes GTA great is the satire. They would 100% definitely satire what the rest of the world "knows" as the British accent. Same as if they did it in Scotland, everyone would sound like Shrek.

[SynX HD]

Everyone would sound like Shrek. So true. I would honestly hate a london based game. Chicago is the best bet and great, new idea.

[General Goose]

One thing we could be sure of if they do a London only GTA....

 

Everyone would speak in BBC-English. It is the most well know accent of the UK, even if it is manufactured just for TV.

I'm sure if R* set a game in London, they'd do authentic accents.

No way they would. That is the thing that makes GTA great is the satire. They would 100% definitely satire what the rest of the world "knows" as the British accent. Same as if they did it in Scotland, everyone would sound like Shrek.

Oh, they'd mock the BBC Accent, but they would go for authentic accents in most cases. We wouldn't be seeing criminals using it, for one.

[lavrentis]

If Rockstar did decide to do a GTA in London I doubt they would just focus on one particular accent, they would probably find a way to include Yorkshire, Manc, Scouse, Brummy..(You see what I'm saying). It would be in London but it would probably be more UK orientated.

[SynX HD]

Rockstar loves the idea of putting tons of different people together in a story.

[Sanjeem]

Are there any London gangs who still resemble the old English criminals? Like the Krays? Or is it all boring European and African types? Because, to be honest, I don't give a sh*t about Triads or Yardies, they're pretty boring.

I think that would make a good story, the fall of traditional English organised crime in favour of newer ethnic gangs. Or you could set it in the 60's or 70's.

Gangs i could see being used are:

Kray style firm

Clerkenwell style Irish mob

Yardies

Triads

2 rival black street gangs

Turkish mafia

Russian mafia

Pakistani mafia

 

Sanjeem The Turks supply heroin, not cocaine.

Eek, My bad i ment 80% of Heroin

 

Also there isn't a Pakistani Mafia, London has more Pakistani street gangs, and also don't forget Ndrangheta they are major players especially if they supply europe with 80% of coke, Don't forget the Albanians either, who control 75% of londons brothels, seriously they are major players aswell in London.

 

Have any of you seen Layer-cake or Rock N Rolla, two great cockmey gangster movies, what those movies tell me especially Rock N Rolla is how the old school english organized crime groups most are either arrested or just gone of the radar, and are now facing more powerfull and bigger organizations, which would make a very good story set in modern day.

[BrownBear]

Maybe Indian mafia, they are south Asian anyway, look up the Holy smokes.

[Sanjeem]

Maybe Indian mafia, they are south Asian anyway, look up the Holy smokes.

I woudn't call it a Mafia anymore, when you type it in it usually comes up with Yardies, Traids and Onion Bahjees

 

I'd say the Indian gang isn't to much in business anymore, and i dought it plays a major role in crime, in London anymore, alot of these gangs got extinct before the 90's.

[BrownBear]

Maybe Indian mafia, they are south Asian anyway, look up the Holy smokes.

I woudn't call it a Mafia anymore, when you type it in it usually comes up with Yardies, Traids and Onion Bahjees

 

I'd say the Indian gang isn't to much in business anymore, and i dought it plays a major role in crime, in London anymore, alot of these gangs got extinct before the 90's.

There are Pakistani gangsters in Bristol, near where i live, my brother knew one of the top drug dealers in Bristol.

[Typhus]

I have heard that the Romanian Mafia is active in London. In one case, they even joined forces with a Somali gang to eliminate a rival. Beat him to death in an ambulance I believe.

English crime isn't glamarous in the same way people perceive American crime to be. Lots of stabbings, sclapings, bludgeonings and gangs simply using your head like a football. Why, across the street from me, a man was attacked over some issue with drugs, the gang brought a meat cleaver and damn near chopped his arm off. He went wandering up the road, holding the piece of his body that was hanging off, and eventually collapsed.

 

Our crime seems more like something you would see in Manhunt. It's messy, bleak and kind of depressing.

[bluesboyjr]

English crime isn't glamarous in the same way people perceive American crime to be. Lots of stabbings, sclapings, bludgeonings and gangs simply using your head like a football. Why, across the street from me, a man was attacked over some issue with drugs, the gang brought a meat cleaver and damn near chopped his arm off. He went wandering up the road, holding the piece of his body that was hanging off, and eventually collapsed.

 

Our crime seems more like something you would see in Manhunt. It's messy, bleak and kind of depressing.

But isn't that what the series is progressing towards? If you were to compare the shenanigans of the GTA III Era with that of GTA IV, there is a lot of difference.

 

GTA III presented crime as madcap mayhem, GTA VC presented crime as a world of glitz and glamour, and GTA SA presented a world where a lowly street thug could highjack fighter jets and steal jetpacks from top-secret military bases (though it's probably unfair to generalize the whole game on Mike Toreno's missions). Overall, the games gave the impression that a life of crime was fun, cool, and colorful. However, in GTA IV, the viewpoint seems to have changed.

 

One of the most interesting features (for me, from an analytical viewpoint) was the introduction of choices - in a few situations in the game, the player can choose whether or not to kill a character (for example, Ivan Bytchkov and Clarence Little). The player can choose whether to commit the crime, or leave innocent. In most of these cases (with the exception of Clarence and Dmitri, who return for their revenge), not doing the deed is shown to have been the right choice - for example, comparing the possible conversations between Niko and Roman after Darko has been dealt with show that Niko feels a lot happier after doing the "right" thing. Contrast this to GTA III, which follows a "meet boss, murder guy, get paid, rinse and repeat" chain for most of its length.

 

The point in GTA IV that most cements this feeling that a life of crime is a dark and depressing one is its ending. The player makes one of the aforementioned choices, which either way ends badly for Niko - he effectivelt chooses between the death of his best friend or the death of his potential soul mate. Niko leaves the story quite a depressed man, as evidenced by the final line in the game (a sarcastic "So this is the American Dream..."). Other charcters who are introduced as enjoying the life of guns, drugs and unmarked bills don't leave the game in the same mood: Playboy X is last seen betrayed and murdered or crushed by guilt. It's true that TBOGT tried to inject some of GTA VC's multicolored fun and glamor, but it could be seen that Luis didn't want to be part of the world of crime.

 

I'm sorry if this seemed in any way off-topic, and feel free to tell me I'm talking out of my arse, but, in the TL;DR condensed form, the Grand Theft Auto has been trying to move towards a "messy, bleak and kind of depressing" theme, and would be able to fit the ways of British criminal culture into its belt.

[Sanjeem]

I have to agree with the above, and to be honest i like the depressing, non galmorouse kind of theme, because in real life it's more like that for most people.