Ultimate Showdown

[Garfield 2]

Hiya! As I am getting my first car in a year (yes!) I would like to get an advice from people who DO own a car.

I am going to get a part time job in June til August (around 2900 I'll make).

 

I talked to my parents about this and there are few suggestions:

 

- VW Golf MK4 1.4 CL 75BHP - Car - €2,350, Insurance - €3045 - Total: €5395 (1000 payed by my parents)

- Seat Ibiza 1.2 (2003-2008) - Car - €2,950, Insurance - €2625 - Total: €5575 (1000 payed by my parents)

- VW Polo 1.0 (2000-2001) - Car - €2,100, Insurance - €2300 - Total: €4400 (1000 payed by my parents)

- VW Passat B5 1.6 CL 105BHP (1997-2000) - Car - €1400, Insurance - €3300 - Total: €4700 (1000 payed by my parents)

 

It turns out Passat 1.6 is going to be cheaper for me than 1.4 Golf.

 

Suggestions?

[stretch.]

Like vag?

 

Don't rule out stuff like corsa's, 306's, fiesta's, ka's, picanto's etc.

 

 

[Garfield 2]

Like vag?

 

Don't rule out stuff like corsa's, 306's, fiesta's, ka's, picanto's etc.

Best cars ever made. We used to own a golf and it never broke down.

[chris]

Like vag?

 

Don't rule out stuff like corsa's, 306's, fiesta's, ka's, picanto's etc.

Best cars ever made. We used to own a golf and it never broke down.

Word of advice, dont try taking sharp bends at 55mph in the pissing down rain if you get a golf, thats why my Golf is probably a tin can now. I heard a few people say that the Bora/Jetta is meant to handle better then the Golf aswell, but since i havent drove one i cant back up that claim.

 

Are you sure that the passats BHP figure is correct? My Golf had 115bhp and im sure they use the same engine.

 

I would say go for the Passat.

[Garfield 2]

Like vag?

 

Don't rule out stuff like corsa's, 306's, fiesta's, ka's, picanto's etc.

Best cars ever made. We used to own a golf and it never broke down.

Word of advice, dont try taking sharp bends at 55mph in the pissing down rain if you get a golf, thats why my Golf is probably a tin can now. I heard a few people say that the Bora/Jetta is meant to handle better then the Golf aswell, but since i havent drove one i cant back up that claim.

 

Are you sure that the passats BHP figure is correct? My Golf had 115bhp and im sure they use the same engine.

 

I would say go for the Passat.

Yup, it's 105BHP. That's what my parents' Golf had inside it anyway so I just guess it's the same. It could be 115 though.

[Garfield 2]

I am thinking about Golf, as I would love to drive a nice one like this one:

 

 

Passat's ain't the best cars ever but they are tunable

 

PLEASE NO HATE - I like little tuning to the cars.

 

oh sh*t! sorry for double post.

[swolo yaggins]

Word of advice, dont try taking sharp bends at 55mph in the pissing down rain

hmm, that sounds more like common sense to me.

[stretch.]

and my family has had 9 years worth of focus' without a single breakdown, doesn't mean that someone else won't have one that breaks down every single day.

 

VAG's do have their problems nowadays though. So do beware.

[Garfield 2]

I think I'll go with the Passat unless I find a cheaper VW Golf.

 

Hurray, Found 10 VW Golfs - 1998, 1.4-1.6

 

1400 to 1800 euro.

Edited November 2, 2009 by Garfield 2

[chris]

Word of advice, dont try taking sharp bends at 55mph in the pissing down rain

hmm, that sounds more like common sense to me.

It would have been sweet if the car wasnt FWD, no excuse though, entirely my fault. I'm a 'learn by mistakes' kinda guy, i dont drive so daringly anymore, save my aggresive driving for the xbox games.

[Garfield 2]

 

Word of advice, dont try taking sharp bends at 55mph in the pissing down rain

hmm, that sounds more like common sense to me.

It would have been sweet if the car wasnt FWD, no excuse though, entirely my fault. I'm a 'learn by mistakes' kinda guy, i dont drive so daringly anymore, save my aggresive driving for the xbox games.

I'm kinda an aggressive driver (YES, even though I don't have a licence, I know how to drive a car).

I just hope I don't go stupid and crash my precious first car.

 

BTW. http://www.carzone.ie/search/Volkswagen/Go...rt?channel=CARS

 

Putting around 800EUR into it and it will look awezum

[Lurch]

100 hp doesn't seem like near enough hp to adequately move a Passat. I don't see what the Euro obsession is with big, underpowered midsize cars is with tiny engines. Why not get a smaller car (lupo, golf, etc.) with the same small engine so it doesn't move like a turd?

[chris]

I'm kinda an aggressive driver (YES, even though I don't have a licence, I know how to drive a car).

I just hope I don't go stupid and crash my precious first car.

 

 

Save it for the racing games mate, thanks to my impatient offensive style of driving i now drive a sh*thead Ford Escort rather then my golf and i have 3 points on my licence for doing 56 in a 30.

[Mr. O]

I have a question, the insurance amounts, are those per year?

[Garfield 2]

I have a question, the insurance amounts, are those per year?

Yes. And actually these are 25% off. My dad works in AXA Insurance Ireland.

[dog_day_sunrise]

That "nice" Mk4 Golf is foul. Fake R32's are just stupid and those wheels (and that colour scheme) would be far more at home on a Corsa driven by some grunting oaf.

105bhp in a Passat is going to be completely gutless you know?

Throwing 800 Euros at a Golf is going to get you literally nowhere if your intent is modding it. A half-decent set of wheels that aren't made from aluminium foil will be at least £400, and then you've got to fit springs and shocks (or if your sensible, coilovers) so it doesn't look like a truck. Then all your money is gone and you have nothing to spend on a stupid body kit- good in my oppinion.

 

Save modding cars until you've owned one for at least a year. If you still feel the desire to devalue it with stupid glue-on tat then go ahead, but otherwise you'll just end up regretting it.

[Garfield 2]

 

That "nice" Mk4 Golf is foul. Fake R32's are just stupid and those wheels (and that colour scheme) would be far more at home on a Corsa driven by some grunting oaf.

105bhp in a Passat is going to be completely gutless you know?

Throwing 800 Euros at a Golf is going to get you literally nowhere if your intent is modding it. A half-decent set of wheels that aren't made from aluminium foil will be at least £400, and then you've got to fit springs and shocks (or if your sensible, coilovers) so it doesn't look like a truck. Then all your money is gone and you have nothing to spend on a stupid body kit- good in my oppinion.

 

Save modding cars until you've owned one for at least a year. If you still feel the desire to devalue it with stupid glue-on tat then go ahead, but otherwise you'll just end up regretting it.

That "fake" R32 has a 3.2 VR6 4motion engine in it. It was swapped.

[AZAZEL]

I drive a Golf MKIV myself, the 1.8 20V, which is my first and only car so far, and it's incredibly slow. I can't imagine how misserable I'd feel if I was stuck with a 1.4. Go for the Polo.

[Garfield 2]

 

I drive a Golf MKIV myself, the 1.8 20V, which is my first and only car so far, and it's incredibly slow. I can't imagine how misserable I'd feel if I was stuck with a 1.4. Go for the Polo.

I just f*cking lol'ed. 230KM/h - Top Speed of that 1.8T, 210KM/h was my dad's 1.6 Golf. This 1.8 is just pure bullsh*t, lol. I think that my first car will be a Passat and then a Golf R32.

Don't get me wrong. It's faster but instead of 1.6 it's 1.8 with a turbo. For god's sake, I would expect it to run at least 240KM/h

Edited November 3, 2009 by Garfield 2

[stretch.]

I'm not all too certain a 1.6 golf will do 130mph.

 

Apparently the passat B5 1.6 is 100hp, top speed is 112mph/190kph

 

The 1.6 105bhp engine was only available in the Golf Match,S and SE models and has a top speed of 119mph/191kph

 

The 1.8 20v Golf has a top speed of 125mph/210kph if it's in the 125bhp variant, a fair bit more if it's the Anniversary GTI model. And Az's isn't the 1.8T, his is the non turbo.

 

 

Car Make	Engine Size	BHP	Top Speed mph/kph
Passat B5	1.6	100	112/190
Golf	1.6	105	119/121
		100	112/190
		102	115/185
		103	119/121
	1.8 20V	125	125/210
	1.4	73-75	106/170
Polo	1.0	50	94/151
	1.4	60	97/156
Ibiza	1.2	63	103/165
		64	103/165
		69	109/175

 

So oh dear, looks like not all your facts and figures were quite right

Edited November 3, 2009 by stretch.

[Mr. O]

I have a question, the insurance amounts, are those per year?

Yes. And actually these are 25% off. My dad works in AXA Insurance Ireland.

f*ck man, my CTSV cost $1700 a year.

[swolo yaggins]

I have a question, the insurance amounts, are those per year?

Yes. And actually these are 25% off. My dad works in AXA Insurance Ireland.

f*ck man, my CTSV cost $1700 a year.

lucky you, I pay about $2500 a year for the SVTF.

 

I quoted $3600 for an '04 M3

[chris]

The 1.8 20v Golf has a top speed of 125mph/210kph if it's in the 125bhp variant, a fair bit more if it's the Anniversary GTI model. And Az's isn't the 1.8T, his is the non turbo.

 

So oh dear, looks like not all your facts and figures were quite right

You are correct sir, the 1.8t comes with 150bhp stock, with a stage one remap you get around 200-210 and i think the stage 3 remap can get around 300bhp on the stock internals with a few bolt ons. Not bad really.

[Lurch]

You are correct sir, the 1.8t comes with 150bhp stock, with a stage one remap you get around 200-210 and i think the stage 3 remap can get around 300bhp on the stock internals with a few bolt ons. Not bad really.

iirc, they were underrated at 150hp to make the more expensive Audi TT (which was rated at 180) look more special. Once it came to light that they were all actually making 180 hp, VW started listing them as such and Audi introduced the 225 hp version to set itself apart.

[stretch.]

Ya see, I know that and I'm not even fond of vag's!

[dog_day_sunrise]

 

The 1.8 20v Golf has a top speed of 125mph/210kph if it's in the 125bhp variant, a fair bit more if it's the Anniversary GTI model. And Az's isn't the 1.8T, his is the non turbo.

 

So oh dear, looks like not all your facts and figures were quite right

You are correct sir, the 1.8t comes with 150bhp stock, with a stage one remap you get around 200-210 and i think the stage 3 remap can get around 300bhp on the stock internals with a few bolt ons. Not bad really.

Stage 3 remap can't be done on stock engine. Needs K04 turbo, inlet manifold, exhaust mani, injectors, intercooler ect. Personally I don't really call a turbo kit "a few bolt-ons", if you look at it that way then the APR twin-scroll kit (good for 425bhp) counts as a simple bolt on- especially not at the price of one!

 

The 1.8 20v is a non-turbo motor, with 125bhp. The 1.8T/GTi motor is a turbo, with 150bhp standard/180 anni edition/225 in TT/S3/LCR guise

 

Garfield2- By 3.2 4-motion swap, I assume you mean engine AND drivetrain. God, what a waste of money. Why not buy an actual R32 and save yourself a fortune?

[Garfield 2]

 

The 1.8 20v Golf has a top speed of 125mph/210kph if it's in the 125bhp variant, a fair bit more if it's the Anniversary GTI model. And Az's isn't the 1.8T, his is the non turbo.

 

So oh dear, looks like not all your facts and figures were quite right

You are correct sir, the 1.8t comes with 150bhp stock, with a stage one remap you get around 200-210 and i think the stage 3 remap can get around 300bhp on the stock internals with a few bolt ons. Not bad really.

Stage 3 remap can't be done on stock engine. Needs K04 turbo, inlet manifold, exhaust mani, injectors, intercooler ect. Personally I don't really call a turbo kit "a few bolt-ons", if you look at it that way then the APR twin-scroll kit (good for 425bhp) counts as a simple bolt on- especially not at the price of one!

 

The 1.8 20v is a non-turbo motor, with 125bhp. The 1.8T/GTi motor is a turbo, with 150bhp standard/180 anni edition/225 in TT/S3/LCR guise

 

Garfield2- By 3.2 4-motion swap, I assume you mean engine AND drivetrain. God, what a waste of money. Why not buy an actual R32 and save yourself a fortune?

That guy got that Golf for 1300 euro from France in a terrible condition. I think I actually have some other pics. I'll look for that topic again.

 

Make: VW

 

Model: Golf Mk4

 

Year: 1998

 

Engine: originally 1.4 16v 75KM, after swap to 3.2 VR6 4Motion from another Golf. Modifications: Dolot K&N, blow-off Bailey, downpipe 2,5 Japspeed

 

History:

 

Imported from France 4 years ago:

 

 

 

Edited November 3, 2009 by Garfield 2

[dog_day_sunrise]

That guy got that Golf for 1300 euro from France in a terrible condition. I think I actually have some other pics. I'll look for that topic again.

 

Make: VW

 

Model: Golf Mk4

 

Year: 1998

 

Engine: originally 1.4 16v 75KM, after swap to 3.2 VR6 4Motion from another Golf. Modifications: Dolot K&N, blow-off Bailey, downpipe 2,5 Japspeed

 

History:

 

Imported from France 4 years ago:

An R32 motor is ~£2500, Haldex transmission at least the same, and requires a lot of chopping to fit a standard golf floorplan. That makes 6300 euro without bodywork, clutch, ancilleries, brakes, suspension et cetera. You can pick out a proper R32 for under £9k- building one would cost much more. My bet is either he's lying, or he's done it so he can keep it logged as a 1.4 and not get nasty insurance/tax.

 

I'm thinking he's lying, because he lists a dump valve as an engine mod. A dump valve on a non turbo car? Hmm. Also, downpipe? Again, that's for turbocharged cars.

[Garfield 2]

Believe me, in Poland it's really hard to get an R32. There is only 13 for sale in whole Poland.

 

http://moto.allegro.pl/item799196657_golf_r32.html

 

I know it's all in Polish.

 

Divide the price by 4.26 - you'll get it in Euro or 4.70 and you'll get it in Pounds.

[dog_day_sunrise]

Still make it cheaper than the ~£12k it will have cost to build an R32, especially if he didn't do all the work himself. The other one on their is 42k, which makes £8900.

Edited November 3, 2009 by dog_day_sunrise