The Firearm Topic

[lil weasel]

Considering the U.K. (and other countries) have been castrated regarding the ability to own and use firearms, I can only say that 'Sour Grapes' is the attitude of those who want the U.S. people to disarm.

 

As the Government (people in it) want to disarm the citizens for their own safety, not the children, they will use the heat of the moment to push through any crap on the road to disarmament.

 

Ever wonder why the 'Right to keep and bear Arms' is the second of the amendments? Why didn't it get pushed to 10?

 

 

 

[Celticfang]

Castrated? Hardly

 

 

    To possess any kind of firearm in the UK, any person, including foreign nationals resident within the UK, must normally hold either a Shotgun Certificate (SGC) or a Firearm Certificate (FAC). Air rifles which produce less than 12 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle, and air pistols which produce less than 6 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle, are not classed as "firearms" for certification purposes, but they are still subject to various laws restricting their ownership and use.

 

    It is an offence under Section 21 Firearms Act 1968 as amended, for anyone convicted of a criminal offence, to handle, possess, or shoot a firearm and ammunition (this includes Air Guns). If the sentence was for more than three years the prohibition is for life; if less than three years the prohibition is for five years (note: it is the sentence, not the time served, which is the determining factor).

 

 

Standard stuff.

 

Firearms law:

 

 

    A firearm is, broadly speaking for certification purposes, any lethal, barrelled weapon which isn't a shotgun or an airgun or a "prohibited weapon". The term "prohibited weapon" covers a multitude of devices including, but not limited to, machine guns, rocket launchers, pepper sprays, semi-automatic and pump-action centrefire rifles, disguised firearms, grenades, torpedoes and "any firearm which either has a barrel less than 30cm in length or is less than 60cm in length overall" (the most common member of this last group is a cartridge loading pistol).

 

    For the purposes of legal possession of a firearm, effectively the above leaves black powder weapons (both rifles and pistols), manually loaded centre-fire cartridge rifles (and all types of .22 rimfire rifles), and manually loaded cartridge pistols with dimensions larger than those defined above. All these weapons are what are termed "Section 1" firearms and are held on a Section 1 Firearms Certificate (there are other Sections for different categories of firearms, for example machine guns are in Section 5 and historic breech-loading firearms are in Section 7). It is difficult for private citizens to obtain an FAC for other than one covering Section 1 firearms.

 

    An application for an FAC can be obtained from any police station. For an application to be successful applicants must demonstrate to the police that they have satisfactory security in place. They must also demonstrate that they have "good reason to possess" firearms and must produce such "good reason" for each individual firearm applied for.  Unlike the SGC an FAC only gives authority for specific individual rifles or pistols, and the applicant must justify possession of each one separately. Applicants must nominate two referees to support their application and must declare all criminal convictions, no matter how old or trivial.  The Rehabilitation of Offenders Act does not apply in respect of firearms legislation. Once granted an FAC is valid for five years. A person over the age of 18 may be granted an FAC and may then buy firearms and ammunition as authorised by the certificate. An FAC may also be granted to a person between 14 and 18, but this will only authorise the possession of the firearms specified thereon - it will not authorise the purchase of firearms or ammunition. FACs are not granted to anyone under the age of 14.

 

Firearms storage and safe keeping in the home.

 

    The precise requirements for storage of firearms are not actually specified in law. The legislation merely says that they "must be stored securely at all times so as to prevent, so far as is reasonably practicable, access to the guns by unauthorized persons". In practice, a steel cabinet constructed and certified to comply with BS 7558 and Rawlbolted to a solid wall is the norm. The vast majority of commercially available gun and rifle cabinets meet the necessary standards. If your premises have shared access, for example if you live in a block of flats, the requirements may be more stringent. In all cases the requirement to prevent access to the firearms by "unauthorised persons", means anyone who doesn't personally hold a FAC. This means that even members of your family must not have keys to the cabinet or even know where you keep them

 

 

 

Again, standard stuff. Teens can't go and buy ammo, they can only hold ONE gun.

 

Shotguns

 

 

    A shotgun is, broadly speaking for certification purposes, a smooth-barrelled gun which discharges a number of pellets, rather than a single projectile, when it is fired. Shotguns held on a SGC must not be capable of holding more than three cartridges in total.  They may be single barrel, double barrel, pump action or semi-automatic, but the three cartridge limit still applies and the barrel(s) must be longer than 24 inches. Pumps and semi-autos must be longer than 40 inches overall.

 

    An application for an SGC can be obtained from any police station. For an application to be successful applicants must demonstrate to the police that they have satisfactory security in place and that the possession of a shotgun would not constitute a danger to public safety or to the peace. Applicants must nominate a counter-signatory to approve their application and must declare all criminal convictions, no matter how old or trivial.  The Rehabilitation of Offenders Act does not apply in respect of firearms legislation. Once granted, an SGC is valid for five years and authorises the possession of any number of shotguns and most types of shotgun ammunition. There is no minimum age for the grant of an SGC.

 

    Shotguns which have barrels shorter than 24 inches, or which are capable of firing more than three shots without reloading, may NOT be held on an SGC. They are dealt with under the FAC provisions.  Similarly some types of shotgun ammunition, such as solid slug cartridges, may only be held on an FAC.

 

Shotgun storage and safe keeping in the home.

 

    The precise requirements for storage of shotguns are not actually specified in law. The legislation merely says that they "must be stored securely at all times so as to prevent, so far as is reasonably practicable, access to the guns by unauthorized persons". In practice, a steel cabinet constructed and certified to comply with BS 7558 and Rawlbolted to a solid wall is the norm. The vast majority of commercially available gun and rifle cabinets meet the necessary standards. If your premises have shared access, for example if you live in a block of flats, the requirements may be more stringent. In all cases the requirement to prevent access to the shotgun by "unauthorised persons", means anyone who doesn't personally hold a SGC. This means that even members of your family must not have keys to the cabinet or even know where you keep them.

 

 

Air rifles

 

 

  Air rifles which produce muzzle energy higher than 12 foot pounds and air pistols higher than 6 foot pounds at the muzzle, are classed as firearms and an FAC is necessary to possess them legally. If the gun is below the stated figures then no certification of any kind is required to either, buy, possess or use them. The onus is on the owner of the gun to ensure that it does not exceed those power levels. If the gun does exceed those levels, even if the owner is completely unaware of the fact, then the owner is guilty of illegal possession of a firearm.

 

    People over the age of 18 may purchase and own low-powered air rifles and air pistols, and the ammunition for them, and use them, but only where they have specific permission to shoot.

 

    People between 14 and 17 may borrow (but not own or purchase) low-powered air rifles and air pistols, and the ammunition for them, and may use them without supervision, on private premises where they have specific permission to shoot. People in this age group may NOT buy or hire an air rifle, air pistol or ammunition, or receive them as a gift. People in this age group may NOT have an air rifle or air pistol in a public place unless supervised by somebody aged 21 or over, AND have a reasonable excuse to do so.

 

    People under 14 years of age may only use low-powered air rifles and air pistols on private property where they have specific permission to shoot, AND whilst they are under the direct supervision of someone 21 years of age or older. People in this age group may NOT buy, hire or receive an air rifle, air pistol or ammunition as a gift, or shoot, anywhere at any time, unless supervised by somebody aged 21 or over.

 

    Any person on private property without permission is trespassing, and if that person has an air rifle or an air pistol, even a low-powered one in their possession, then they are committing the offence of armed trespass. It is irrelevant whether the gun is loaded or not, or even whether the person has any pellets in their possession. The mere possession of the airgun is sufficient for conviction. Armed trespass is a serious criminal offence carrying heavy penalties.

 

    Air guns which make use of self-contained air or gas cartridges, where the gas or air propellant and the pellet or bullet are contained within a single self-contained cartridge are now prohibited. (The most common example was the Brocock revolver). People who owned such airguns prior to the ban in 2004 were permitted to retain them, but only if they were entered on an FAC.  Even the ones held on an FAC may not now be sold, or even given away.  The only permitted method of disposal is to hand them to the police for destruction.  Possession of such airguns without an FAC carries exactly the same penalties as those for possession of other unauthorised firearms.

 

Airgun storage and safe keeping in the home.

 

    Since air rifles producing less than 12 foot pounds muzzle energy, and air pistols producing less than 6 foot pounds of energy are not included in the firearms licensing procedures, the Firearms Acts are silent on storage requirements for such guns. However, since 10th February 2011, there is a requirement under the Crime and Security Act 2010 that airgun owners must "take reasonable precautions to stop unauthorised access to their airguns by people under the age of 18." The law does not specify what constitutes "reasonable precautions" and guidance to the police says that each individual case will be dealt with on its merits and that, "it is not possible to be prescriptive" about exact security provisions.

 

 

Now is that castrating gun ownership? No. You can buy and own guns and the system works well.

[lil weasel]

Cute quotes. But, what about Pistols? I understand the U.K. Pistol team had to go to France to practice?

 

 

[T]he government passed the Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997, banning private possession of handguns almost completely.

Edited December 31, 2012 by lil weasel

[Chunkyman]

 

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And the restrictions for the handful of weapons they are "allowed" to own are severe. How anyone thinks they are reasonable (or moral) when supporting these authoritarian bans/restrictions is beyond me.

[sivispacem]

 

Considering the U.K. (and other countries) have been castrated regarding the ability to own and use firearms, I can only say that 'Sour Grapes' is the attitude of those who want the U.S. people to disarm.

So, yet again, instead of actually addressing anything I say, you go off on some vague, generalist, largely off-topic ramble about how your country of origin is superior to mine, despite the fact that is has precisely half of f*ck all to do with anything I've said. The fact you cant' even summarise my damn argument properly and seem insistent on doing nothing other than straw-manning every time I respond to your idiocy leads me to believe that you never actually bother reading anything anyone else posts, just take vague stabs in the dark about what it might contain, and respond to imaginary cardboard-cut-outs of other posters views which exist solely in your own head. What's more saddening is the fact that you seem so unable to accept the fact that your argument has been pre-emptively nullified- not by myself, I might add, but by Professor Bernard Harcourt, chair of the Political Science department at the University of Chicago- that you still insist on signing off each of your posts on the subject with an irrelevant and factually incorrect cartoon, despite the fact it doesn't appear to have any real relevance in the context of the discussion. It's actually embarrassing to watch you degrade yourself in this way; be assured I feel no animosity towards you for your delusions but only an overwhelming sense of pity.

 

 

 

But seen as we're playing a game of pictures, how about you tell me what unites these three world leaders?

 

 

 

 

Aside from the obvious, which is they're all blokes, and the less obvious, which is they're all Scandinavian, these are three ardent supporters of moderate, reasonable firearm control. They are, from the top down, Jyrki Katainen, Prime Minister of Finland, Jens Stolberg, the Norwegian Prime Minister, and Fredrik Reinfeld, the incumbant Swedish leader. Now, can you tell me what's interesting about these three nations? Perhaps it's that they have amongst the lowest violent crime rates, including firearm-related crime, in the world? That they are three nations with amongst the highest quality of life in the world? That they are three nations the most "free" by every measurable index in the world?

 

By your logic, all leaders who campaign for firearms control are dictators. Here are three people who make any US President, current or historic, look like a comparative tyrant. Tyranny has nothing to do with firearm control, and the fact that some morons tenuously (and incorrectly in at least one case, as I've demonstrated) link restricting firearms ownership to mass murdering autocrats just goes to show how terrifyingly desperate some people in the United States- because, yes, that's just about the only place one earth this is an issue- to protect the fundamental idea of not just permitting citizens to access firearms- which I'm fundamentally in support of- but actively pushing firearms and firearm culture onto every single American. Do you know what the images you post actually say? "Not owning a gun is empirically bad". What kind of terrifying, idiotic dystopian reality actively disciriminates against people based on their personal choice as to whether they own a firearm or not? Utter lunacy.

 

 

You don't measure freedom by how many guns the citizenry have. You measure it by how often the authorities use their weapons on the citizenry.

Edited December 31, 2012 by sivispacem

[Celticfang]

 

Cute quotes. But, what about Pistols? I understand the U.K. Pistol team had to go to France to practice?

 

 

[T]he government passed the Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997, banning private possession of handguns almost completely.

1997 The firearms laws have been changed since then. As my quotes have pointed out.

 

Source for my quotes by the way: http://www.marplerifleandpistolclub.org.uk...eral/gunlaw.htm

 

Also

 

Those quotes are from 2011 and the current UK laws about guns. Once again you have no knowledge of the situation, either in your own country or the UK, you quote outdated laws that have been updated and amended since 1997.

 

Pistols are not allowed to be privately owned at all (that is mentioned in the firearms law quote, 'The term "prohibited weapon" covers a multitude of devices including, but not limited to, machine guns, rocket launchers, pepper sprays, semi-automatic and pump-action centrefire rifles, disguised firearms, grenades, torpedoes and "any firearm which either has a barrel less than 30cm in length or is less than 60cm in length overall" [b[(the most common member of this last group is a cartridge loading pistol)[/b].' The Olympic issue was a result of that and why they had to go overseas to train. If it had been rifles, they'd have been perfectly able to train here.

 

Pistols/revolvers = prohibited weapons

Edited December 31, 2012 by Celticfang

[sivispacem]

As an interesting aside, the only other nations I know of that have a right to keep and bear arms legally enshrined are Cuba, Yemen and Mexico. I think some of the more Sharia-focused Islamic nations do to. Interesting to see the company the US keeps in regards to this.

[Ex Hellraiser]

This is the Firearms Topic! I feel that some pretty (or maybe not-so pretty) pictures of guns are in order to lighten the political tension in here...

 

This is my/my father's small gun collection, a bit of variety. Excuse the poor lighting.

 

First off, we have this little pea shooter, the original James Bond pistol, the Beretta 418; this one was made in 1953, single-action, 8+1 .25 ACP. Not a very well-built gun, but this gem will be my CCW when the time arises.

 

 

Mossberg Model 185K-A; likely from about 1950; 20 gauge, 2 3/4" magnum, bolt-action, 2 round box magazine, front dot sight. Bit of surface rust of the barrel.

 

 

Winchester Model 250; from the serial number, probably from about 1970; .22 LR, lever action, 16 round tubular magazine, 3-6x scope.

 

 

Last, and certainly the best of this lot, a Remington Model 14. From around 1915-18; .30 Remington, pump-action, 5 round magazine, front and rear open ring sights. All original, and I believe this gun has only been fired twice. Excellent condition.

 

 

Does anyone here know if .30-30 rounds will operate in a gun chambered for .30 Remington? I fear that I may never be able to fire this gem, as .30 Rem is obsolete, and rounds are f*cking expensive and hard to find anymore.

[Chunkyman]

 

Does anyone here know if .30-30 rounds will operate in a gun chambered for .30 Remington? I fear that I may never be able to fire this gem, as .30 Rem is obsolete, and rounds are f*cking expensive and hard to find anymore.

Nope, not interchangeable. Cool guns BTW.

 

I ordered a holster and belt for the SAA I ordered from my local gun shop (that has yet to be restocked...).

[Ex Hellraiser]

 

Does anyone here know if .30-30 rounds will operate in a gun chambered for .30 Remington? I fear that I may never be able to fire this gem, as .30 Rem is obsolete, and rounds are f*cking expensive and hard to find anymore.

Nope, not interchangeable. Cool guns BTW.

 

I ordered a holster and belt for the SAA I ordered from my local gun shop (that has yet to be restocked...).

Damn, that sucks. Well, at least I'm not the only one who can't fire the gun he wants at the moment. At least you won't have to wait as long...

 

 

The best deal on .30 Rem rounds I've found so far is 100 rounds for $145. Not including shipping...

[Schemer]

Hello gentlemen,

 

So I have a little question for y'all today: I am looking to invest in a side arm but still undecided what I should purchase.

 

I am looking for something for everyday fun shooting at your normal, every day tin cans and paper targets but also looking for something with enough power to carry hunting to put down any of them pesky

little critters you might stumble upon. I had my eyes set on the Sig Sauer Mosquito for a while but I think I want something slightly larger then a .22 but I don't feel like spending a arm and a leg on ammunition every time I go out to target shoot or to purchase the firearm it self.

 

Wouldn't mind having something that would be effective as a home defense weapon either and you know, something for a zombie apocalypse.

 

Any suggestions gents?

[sivispacem]

You could stay in the SIG family and get either a P226 or P228, in 9mm (cheap), .40 S&W (slightly less cheap) or .357 SIG (slightly less cheap again). Probably one of the most versatile and accurate pistols, and I believe the one most commonly used, in various forms, as a military or police sidearm around the world. If you fancy hand-loading, .357 SIG is the way to go- it's more expensive than 9mm or .40 S&W but it's a nail-driver of a round, with probably the flattest ballistic trajectory and greatest inherent accuracy of any of the mid-power semi-automatic pistol rounds. A P226 or 228 in 9mm is the go-to self-defence weapon for members of most European armies, various US armed forces sub-organisations,and a huge number of other groups besides.

[Schemer]

I know a Smith & Wesson is a very reliable firearm, shot a few before but I don't have much experience with the SIG. I been doing some research about them in the past months, like I said I been interested in the Mosquito and ran across a few articles about the P226. I'm curios about the .357 now your bringing that to my attention. I'll defiantly start looking into it along with .40 S&W.

 

Hear good and bad things about Glocks too. Have one or two friends on facebook who owns one and they all speak good about them but at the same time I seen a couple bad testimonials around the internet.

Would go with one but I prefer the look of a SIG.

 

I'll probably go with something in the SIG family. Thanks for the help sivispacem.

 

 

I wish ammunition wouldn't be so damn expensive. Its nothing to buy a weapon anymore just buying the bullets to shoot. I have a .22 semi auto long rifle and shoot nothing but cheap bullets with it is fun but then you go over to the .30-06, .308, .244 and it becomes a pain in the ass. I find throw out the years I started hunting less and less so of course I'm buying less ammo but I'll be one my own soon and well I'll be wasting the shotgun shells like crazy duck hunting.

 

Hell if the gun laws start getting to stupid in the states and they raise the price for ammunition more, I think I'm going to start bow hunting.

[TheGodDamnMaster]

Dear Hollywood,

 

Eat sh*t.

 

Sincerely,

Responsible gun owners

 

 

 

[lil weasel]

I wish ammunition wouldn't be so damn expensive. Its nothing to buy a weapon anymore just buying the bullets to shoot.[...]the .30-06, .308, .244 and it becomes a pain in the ass. I find throw out the years I started hunting less and less so of course I'm buying less ammo but I'll be one my own soon and well I'll be wasting the shotgun shells like crazy duck hunting.

 

Haven't any of you considered Reloading your Brass?

You layout for the manual, scale, press, dies, powder, primers, etc. and shot for pennies on the dollar over Pre-Mfg ammo...

[Schemer]

I wish ammunition wouldn't be so damn expensive. Its nothing to buy a weapon anymore just buying the bullets to shoot.[...]the .30-06, .308, .244 and it becomes a pain in the ass. I find throw out the years I started hunting less and less so of course I'm buying less ammo but I'll be one my own soon and well I'll be wasting the shotgun shells like crazy duck hunting.

 

Haven't any of you considered Reloading your Brass?

You layout for the manual, scale, press, dies, powder, primers, etc. and shot for pennies on the dollar over Pre-Mfg ammo...

I use to hunt with a guy who did that, I never thought of doing it personality. Seems like a time consuming process.

[sivispacem]

I wish ammunition wouldn't be so damn expensive. Its nothing to buy a weapon anymore just buying the bullets to shoot.[...]the .30-06, .308, .244 and it becomes a pain in the ass. I find throw out the years I started hunting less and less so of course I'm buying less ammo but I'll be one my own soon and well I'll be wasting the shotgun shells like crazy duck hunting.

 

Haven't any of you considered Reloading your Brass?

You layout for the manual, scale, press, dies, powder, primers, etc. and shot for pennies on the dollar over Pre-Mfg ammo...

I use to hunt with a guy who did that, I never thought of doing it personality. Seems like a time consuming process.

I know someone who shoots Class F in the UK and handloads 6mm Dasher. Reckons that he can surpass the accuracy of even monometal solids for a tenth of the price.

[lil weasel]

Seems like a time consuming process.

How much is your time worth? Compare it to how often you do shoot, and how often you want to shot.

 

[Ex Hellraiser]

Seems like a time consuming process.

How much is your time worth? Compare it to how often you do shoot, and how often you want to shot.

I was about to say, if you are really going to be at a range or backwoods weekly, and you are using 100+ rounds a week, it is worth your time to sit down and save yourself the dough. I have yet to fire a gun, yet I already know due to my finances, I will be repacking old brass when I do.

[Saggy]

This is the Firearms Topic! I feel that some pretty (or maybe not-so pretty) pictures of guns are in order to lighten the political tension in here...

 

This is my/my father's small gun collection, a bit of variety. Excuse the poor lighting.

 

First off, we have this little pea shooter, the original James Bond pistol, the Beretta 418; this one was made in 1953, single-action, 8+1 .25 ACP. Not a very well-built gun, but this gem will be my CCW when the time arises.

 

 

Mossberg Model 185K-A; likely from about 1950; 20 gauge, 2 3/4" magnum, bolt-action, 2 round box magazine, front dot sight. Bit of surface rust of the barrel.

 

 

Winchester Model 250; from the serial number, probably from about 1970; .22 LR, lever action, 16 round tubular magazine, 3-6x scope.

 

 

Last, and certainly the best of this lot, a Remington Model 14. From around 1915-18; .30 Remington, pump-action, 5 round magazine, front and rear open ring sights. All original, and I believe this gun has only been fired twice. Excellent condition.

 

 

Does anyone here know if .30-30 rounds will operate in a gun chambered for .30 Remington? I fear that I may never be able to fire this gem, as .30 Rem is obsolete, and rounds are f*cking expensive and hard to find anymore.

If you don't want to spend all the money on ammo, you could probably find someone to sell that pump-action to for a decent price. A lot of people like to collect pump guns in varying calibers.

 

Limitless,

 

If you're talking about a hunting side-arm I'd look into a .357 Magnum revolver. Reason being that you can target shoot premanufactured and reload with .38 Special for ultra cheap, but then when you're out on a hunt carry .357 Magnum for a little extra insurance. That cartridge will take down just about every four-legged critter smaller than a moose or grizzly. Not to mention that for an outdoors, hunting gun, you'll want something as simple as a revolver for the ultra-reliability, and the ease of disassembling it to clean it once back home. Plus you'll find that if you're reloading, it's a lot easier to keep track of your brass in a revolver than a pistol. And if you ever do have a reloading mis-hap (sometimes adding a double-charge of powder happens), you'll probably find encountering it with a revolver a lot more pleasant than with a pistol just because most revolvers ( and magnums especially ) are built like tanks.

 

I think pistols are more practical firearms for your urban environment and dealing with two-legged critters. Only reason I'd carry one hunting is for the extra magazine capacity, but if money is no object you can find an 8-shot .357

 

 

I would also argue that revolvers are a lot more fun to shoot, but that's just personal opinion.

[Celticfang]

Dear whole entertainment industry

 

Eat sh*t.

 

Sincerely,

Responsible gun owners

 

 

Fixed it.

 

It isn't just Hollywood, if you think it's solely movies that are all about violence and/or cheap thrills, wrong. Movies, TV shows, gaming (GTA anyone?), books. Even music. They're all to blame.

 

But yes, it is Hollywood that is one of the worst at glorifying violence.

 

Oh and celebrities are two faced hypocrites too.

[Ex Hellraiser]

I would also argue that revolvers are a lot more fun to shoot, but that's just personal opinion.

I have an argument against revolvers: Picatinny Rails. I have yet to see a revolver made with an integrated Picatinny Rail on it. There are countless pistols with at least one rail standard. One which I really wish to get, the Five-seveN, has one.

[sivispacem]

Isn't FN 5.7x28mm a pain in the arse to get your hands on in the US, due to so many people have boycotted it or tried specifically to outlaw it under the misplaced assumption that even the hollow points are armour piercing?

[Ex Hellraiser]

Isn't FN 5.7x28mm a pain in the arse to get your hands on in the US, due to so many people have boycotted it or tried specifically to outlaw it under the misplaced assumption that even the hollow points are armour piercing?

Well, I know that most stores don't have it on shelves, but I can back order some with a phone call to Cabela's (not me personally, but someone of age). Cabela's has the best deal of it anywhere in the US.

[Kaj.]

I would also argue that revolvers are a lot more fun to shoot, but that's just personal opinion.

I have an argument against revolvers: Picatinny Rails. I have yet to see a revolver made with an integrated Picatinny Rail on it. There are countless pistols with at least one rail standard. One which I really wish to get, the Five-seveN, has one.

The Chiappa Rhino 60DS (pictured below) has both top and bottom rails. The 40DS (4" barrel) and 50DS (5" barrel) have bottom rails only.

 

[Ex Hellraiser]

 

Nicee. That looks f*cking slick. Me wants one now.

 

Real unusual looking revolver. The bottom chamber lines up with the barrel, and the cylinder is more hexagonal than cylindrical. Still looks damn nice.

[sivispacem]

It's basically a DAO/SA-DA variant of the Mateba Autorevolver, sharing the grip, basic frame and barrel positioning in line with the bottom of the cylinder. Both very interesting weapons in their own rights.

[Chunkyman]

 

 

 

[Ex Hellraiser]

^lol

 

Care to show us a pic out of the holster?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...I am talking about the gun, don't be a pervert

[Chunkyman]

 

Care to show us a pic out of the holster?

 

 

 

I was going to, but the gun looks terrible from the cylinder down. Since the gun I ordered has not arrived, I took the photo's

with my Grandad's old Colt Frontier Scout, which is a slightly smaller version of the SAA in .22 magnum. Sadly, the gun was desecrated

years ago by blue and black sharpies in an effort by my uncle to make it look better (I know...). It obviously backfired and it now looks

like sh*t. Some efforts have been made to clean the sharpie off, but it's still going to need a lot of cleaning before it looks good.