The Firearm Topic

[jelly]

And, in other news, the President-elect has picked a grade-A hopolophobe from the Clinton regime to be AG.

Goodbye America, it was nice knowing you

 

Not that I ever got to enjoy it, so you guys will have to expend some ammunition on my account.

[92F]

Sorry Illspirit, but that part's not entirely true. Semi-auto rifle's and shotguns are legal. The deciding factor as to their legality is the magazine size. Shotgun's it's a 4 cartridge magazine tube, semi-auto rifle's I'm not too sure.

 

I have a silenced semi-auto .22 and the biggest magazine I have for that is 18 rounds.

Oh? I must have gotten UK law confused with Australia or something then. Capacity is irrelevant to centerfire rifles with detachable box mags though, right?

I'm pretty sure your right there, but I think I'll look into it just so I'm all up to scratch with rules/regs.

[sofa_king]

 

I was just about to ask Sofa not to take pics of the pointy end too. Didn't have

a horror story to go with the advice though.

 

So a good story is a caveat to my personal safety? Thanks a lot bub.

Edited November 21, 2008 by sofa_king

[NorthwestRastafarian]

Well, advice with out a story is about as interesting as a Broadway musical without Jews. He has a point.

[Abel.]

I wish I had a revolver that shot .410 rounds. Something about a "Shotgun Revolver" seems so badass.

hehe, it is fun to shoot. But you better get one before Obamamama rapes your freedoms.

 

One thing I forgot to mention, when firing shot shells you get this over the top movie

sounding explosion sound coming from your hand gun.

Will put a smile on your face.

Hahaha, reminds me of the time I first fired the 357. at Gun Club, awesome.

[illspirit]

 

Was already pissed enough with the Tom Daschle pick - I thought his line was shaking up Washington politics? What a disappointment. But, not a surprise. Daschle is right in a lot of foreign policy issues, but his domestic line is a huge track record of nanny state bullsh*t and beurocratic expansion. I fear what he will do to the already bloated human services sector.

Yea, we'll probably end up with really expensive "free" health care from the Feds and national bans on unhealthy sh*t like NY or Cali. And with Waxman taking over the Energy and Commerce Committee chair on the other side of the Hill, guns will probably be banned as "dangerous consumer products" and everything else will be wrapped in foam.

 

If they get enough of their agenda done, Canada might start to look like a libertarian paradise. Hell, at least you can still buy imported M14 clones there. (Granted, the M1As from Springfield look nice, but they're rather spendy.)

 

 

So a good story is a caveat to my personal safety?  Thanks a lot bub.

I would have still posted if he didn't beat me to it. But like driver's ed, bloody stories are much better than a boring line from a text book..

[Mike Tequeli]

If they get enough of their agenda done, Canada might start to look like a libertarian paradise. Hell, at least you can still buy imported M14 clones there. (Granted, the M1As from Springfield look nice, but they're rather spendy.)

 

I wouldn't count on it. We don't have much in the way of a constitution that could actually stop someone from taking our rights. A federal statute or less could wipe out all guns in Canada, nobody has bothered so far.

 

SCOTUS has been good to you this year, striking down the DC gun ban and what not. They've disappointed before though.

 

I think you're all being a bit pessimistic though. Nobody cares about social issues right now, only when the economy does well do bad things happen (Clinton Administration). I understand your worries, I could totally see Obama signing some retarded legislation, but when it gets down to it, life won't be much different in 2012.

 

On an unrelated note: I just learned there's a libertarian MP from Quebec serving right now, I'm pretty surprised, Quebec is a commie paradise.

[anuj]

Am I the only one who has no idea of the current political climate surrounding firearms and just spends every weekend blowing the living hell out of cardboard targets?

[illspirit]

 

I wouldn't count on it. We don't have much in the way of a constitution that could actually stop someone from taking our rights. A federal statute or less could wipe out all guns in Canada, nobody has bothered so far.

 

SCOTUS has been good to you this year, striking down the DC gun ban and what not. They've disappointed before though

I was talking less about guns than everything else. But either way, a gun law (or their legal protection) is only worth the paper it's written on if nobody obeys it. With the long gun registration they passed up there in the '90s, there's still like a 75% non-compliance rate, no? Even if they decided to ban everything, I can't imagine a door-to-door confiscation would work any better than that.

 

And considering how long it takes to reach SCOTUS, the makeup of the court could change by the time anything else gets there. After all, Heller started back in 03 after the law was on the books for nearly 30 years. They might even be able to flip Scalia on an "assault weapon" ban or registration laws.

 

 

I think you're all being a bit pessimistic though. Nobody cares about social issues right now, only when the economy does well do bad things happen (Clinton Administration). I understand your worries, I could totally see Obama signing some retarded legislation, but when it gets down to it, life won't be much different in 2012.

 

That's the thing, nobody really needs to care. In fact, I'm almost counting on them using the economy as a distraction to sneak things through. All they have to do is attach a law to some other piece of already approved legislation by voice vote in the middle of the night. This is how we ended up with the full-auto ban in 1986. Or if the economy does get worse and crime goes up, they can use that as an excuse. Which is how we ended up with the full-auto, short barrel shotgun/rifle, and sound suppressor registration in 1934.

 

 

Am I the only one who has no idea of the current political climate surrounding firearms and just spends every weekend blowing the living hell out of cardboard targets?

Yea, pretty much.

[Pat]

I'm almost in the same boat as you, anuj, it's just every other weekend for me.

[Mike Tequeli]

 

I wouldn't count on it. We don't have much in the way of a constitution that could actually stop someone from taking our rights. A federal statute or less could wipe out all guns in Canada, nobody has bothered so far.

 

SCOTUS has been good to you this year, striking down the DC gun ban and what not. They've disappointed before though

I was talking less about guns than everything else. But either way, a gun law (or their legal protection) is only worth the paper it's written on if nobody obeys it. With the long gun registration they passed up there in the '90s, there's still like a 75% non-compliance rate, no? Even if they decided to ban everything, I can't imagine a door-to-door confiscation would work any better than that.

 

And considering how long it takes to reach SCOTUS, the makeup of the court could change by the time anything else gets there. After all, Heller started back in 03 after the law was on the books for nearly 30 years. They might even be able to flip Scalia on an "assault weapon" ban or registration laws.

 

 

I think you're all being a bit pessimistic though. Nobody cares about social issues right now, only when the economy does well do bad things happen (Clinton Administration). I understand your worries, I could totally see Obama signing some retarded legislation, but when it gets down to it, life won't be much different in 2012.

 

That's the thing, nobody really needs to care. In fact, I'm almost counting on them using the economy as a distraction to sneak things through. All they have to do is attach a law to some other piece of already approved legislation by voice vote in the middle of the night. This is how we ended up with the full-auto ban in 1986. Or if the economy does get worse and crime goes up, they can use that as an excuse. Which is how we ended up with the full-auto, short barrel shotgun/rifle, and sound suppressor registration in 1934.

 

 

Am I the only one who has no idea of the current political climate surrounding firearms and just spends every weekend blowing the living hell out of cardboard targets?

Yea, pretty much.

Well we don't really have any other freedoms so much either. We have a constitution but it's fairly weakly worded and filled with sketchy policies like affirmative action. The first section of the Charter establishes that none of the other freedoms really mean anything if the courts deem it necessary, the last section establishes that none of those freedoms matter if overturned by the provinces.

 

Is there any information on what kind of supreme court justice Obama would nominate? One bad justice could upset the balance in favor authoritarianism.

 

As for non-compliance rates, I imagine it has a lot to do with the fact that many gun owners live far from the reach of law. I'm not sure it's as easy to get away with in Urban Areas. I know people who own handguns and from the sounds of it, it's such a pain in the ass to follow the laws regarding storing and carrying guns, breaking the rules seems a lot easier. The mayor of Toronto has been trying to push a national handgun ban for a while like it's common sense. The leftists want to put gun control laws in the hands of municipalities, which of course means we'll be facing total bans, it's the same in America, municipal governments love pulling sh*t like that.

[KOA]

i love my kimber 45! my glock 45 is very old.. my cx4 storm is amazing but quiet (40 cal)..my glock 19.. is well.. a glock 19.. im looking at buying the new ruger (45) and selling the glock. i still have my first taurus 9mm (dont laugh at me) ..my pops ar-15 is probably still my fav besides the M1A SOCOM II which i dont own yet.. but love the new urban camo style (and to all of you who dont know about guns.. this is not a video game)

[illspirit]

 

Well we don't really have any other freedoms so much either. We have a constitution but it's fairly weakly worded and filled with sketchy policies like affirmative action. The first section of the Charter establishes that none of the other freedoms really mean anything if the courts deem it necessary, the last section establishes that none of those freedoms matter if overturned by the provinces.

 

Is there any information on what kind of supreme court justice Obama would nominate? One bad justice could upset the balance in favor authoritarianism.

Obama has said that he would nominate more Souters, Ginsburgs, or Breyers and that Thomas is his least favorite. Other than that, he just spews typical vagueness about how his judicial philosophy is all about "social justice." Meaning that he would favor people who ignore what's actually in the Constitution to achieve politically correct ends.

 

So, yea, it wouldn't really matter that our Constitution has more forceful wording if the courts just ignore it. Until Heller, courts didn't pay much attention to that whole "shall not be infringed" part, and that was one vote away from going the other direction. The opinion had a whole lot of space for so-called "reasonable regulations" in the dicta too.

 

 

As for non-compliance rates, I imagine it has a lot to do with the fact that many gun owners live far from the reach of law. I'm not sure it's as easy to get away with in Urban Areas. I know people who own handguns and from the sounds of it, it's such a pain in the ass to follow the laws regarding storing and carrying guns, breaking the rules seems a lot easier. The mayor of Toronto has been trying to push a national handgun ban for a while like it's common sense. The leftists want to put gun control laws in the hands of municipalities, which of course means we'll be facing total bans, it's the same in America, municipal governments love pulling sh*t like that.

Hmm, I dunno. Chicago has a near-total gun ban, but seeing as more people have been shot there this year than in Iraq, it seems people can get away with ignoring the gun laws in an urban area rather easily. Maybe not so much if you want to practice at a range or whatever, but, yea.

 

Either way, the million dollar question is what happens if the urbanites get their way and pass a nationwide total ban? Most would probably comply (especially in the cities), but after seeing what happened to England and Australia, I would imagine a small yet significant chunk of Western Canada (or the non-NY/Cali/New England States in the US) wouldn't roll over so easily. How many people would a government have to kill before it loses its legitimacy?

 

 

my pops ar-15 is probably still my fav besides the M1A SOCOM II which i dont own yet.. but love the new urban camo style (and to all of you who dont know about guns.. this is not a video game) 

The urban camo stock is sweet, but I dunno about all those rails and sh*t hanging off the front of the SOCOMs. Rails are nice on an AR or whatever, but it just seems a bit weird on an M1A. Their M21-ish models look fun, but they're so damn expensive. I would like to get something in 7.62 NATO one of these days though..

[Mike Tequeli]

 

Hmm, I dunno. Chicago has a near-total gun ban, but seeing as more people have been shot there this year than in Iraq, it seems people can get away with ignoring the gun laws in an urban area rather easily. Maybe not so much if you want to practice at a range or whatever, but, yea.

 

Either way, the million dollar question is what happens if the urbanites get their way and pass a nationwide total ban? Most would probably comply (especially in the cities), but after seeing what happened to England and Australia, I would imagine a small yet significant chunk of Western Canada (or the non-NY/Cali/New England States in the US) wouldn't roll over so easily. How many people would a government have to kill before it loses its legitimacy?

But this is another case of rewarding criminals, law abiding citizens would have their rights infringed while the criminals continue to do what they do best. And of course simply breaking the law isn't always the best option. It's slightly amusing but mostly troubling how America has some of the most open gun laws in the world, yet when gun control does go in place, they will hand down Draconian punishment for breaking those laws. You might know about the case of a man who was a perfectly law abiding citizen and an officer in the National Guard or something, who borrowed a Semi-Automatic Assault Rifle to go shooting on the range. Long story short, his gun malfunctioned and set off a burst of rounds. He thought nothing of it but is now facing several years in prison for some bullsh*t charge like "illegal transport of automatic weapons".

 

So we can expect to see a lot of good people going away for minor gun infractions, and not enough people would ever stand up to the Federal Government for things to change. I may be losing confidence about how well Obama will handle the country, or perhaps I've been in denial for a year.

 

And most Canadians enjoy their nanny state just fine, even the ones in the middle of nowhere, they'd only break gun laws out of sheer laziness, and not in defiance of anybody.

[anuj]

I sold my 90Two because it sucks. Last time I buy a pistol purely on aesthetics.

 

Also this was sitting in the case for $300 so I picked it up:

 

[Creed Bratton]

I sold my 90Two because it sucks. Last time I buy a pistol purely on aesthetics.

 

Also this was sitting in the case for $300 so I picked it up:

 

Dude, I always wanted an M1911 I am so jealous right now

 

Anyway, which bullets for .357 would you guys use

[anuj]

What are the ones on the right? Look like they're for hunting.

 

I'd take those HPs on the left.

[Creed Bratton]

 

What are the ones on the right? Look like they're for hunting.

 

I'd take those HPs on the left.

You are correct. With those bullets you can take down a bear, at least that's what they told me. I never really went on a bear hunt before so f*ck me if I know. And those hollow points are illegal here, but I have them for quite a while and no one knows it

 

Later I'll post a picture of one WW2 Berreta sidearm I found in my grandparents house couple of months back. It's really cool and Hitlerish

 

I found the pic on the net, but I'll post mine with mag, bullets etc.

http://www.oxfordfishandgame.com/Classifie...wrs-beretta.JPG

Beretta Single Action Semi Auto with tip up barrel in .22 short

[Kaj.]

.22 short? That's a glorified pellet gun.

[Gta Guy 108]

I own a Glock 22. S&W is very good. I don't think Glocks are ugly, even though alot of people think they are made of plastic and are a toy, they are my favorite kind of gun, not just handgun, but gun. They shoot good, their reliable, yeah.

[t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m]

I don't have much. I have a Taurus PT25 handgun, 2 .22 rifles(one is damaged), a .410 shotgun, and a 12 gauge shotgun. I also have a few ammo clips for an M16.

[HolyGrenadeFrenzy]

.22 short? That's a glorified pellet gun.

All .22 are great for getting killed because people underestimate them so easily.

 

I would perfer something in a larger caliber but if it comes down to only having one of those on hand.....choose the best part of the face to plant it and fire.

 

Squirrels die when hit with a .22 short something quick!

[illspirit]

 

But this is another case of rewarding criminals, law abiding citizens would have their rights infringed while the criminals continue to do what they do best. And of course simply breaking the law isn't always the best option. It's slightly amusing but mostly troubling how America has some of the most open gun laws in the world, yet when gun control does go in place, they will hand down Draconian punishment for breaking those laws. You might know about the case of a man who was a perfectly law abiding citizen and an officer in the National Guard or something, who borrowed a Semi-Automatic Assault Rifle to go shooting on the range. Long story short, his gun malfunctioned and set off a burst of rounds. He thought nothing of it but is now facing several years in prison for some bullsh*t charge like "illegal transport of automatic weapons".

 

So we can expect to see a lot of good people going away for minor gun infractions, and not enough people would ever stand up to the Federal Government for things to change. I may be losing confidence about how well Obama will handle the country, or perhaps I've been in denial for a year.

 

And most Canadians enjoy their nanny state just fine, even the ones in the middle of nowhere, they'd only break gun laws out of sheer laziness, and not in defiance of anybody.

Oops. Topic must have died again before I saw this.

 

The Olofson case is all kinds of f*cked up. Hopefully it turns out better on appeal. Everything related to the National Firearm Act is f*cked though. For instance, you can get a 10 inch AR-15 with no stock on the buffer tube, call it a pistol, and buy it like usual. Snap an M4 stock on the tube, and it's now a short-barrel rifle in need of registration and taxes. Or if you put a foregrip on it instead, now it's called an "any other weapon" and needs a different tax and registration. Same sh*t on a 16 inch rifle is fine though. Mix up some parts while cleaning an AR rifle and pistol and, bam, instant felon. I'm not quite sure how adding things to the pistol makes it more "concealable," but, umm, yea, think of the children?

 

And, yea, most people anywhere aren't eager to be defiant for defiance sake. As you outlaw more and more stuff until everybody is a criminal, people begin to care less about the law.

 

 

'nuj: Wow, only 300 bucks for a 1911?! Who made it anyway? I want to get one soon too.

 

I bought a new paperweight a few weeks ago. Might be a carbine in a month or two (or three..) once the upper gets out of back order hell.

 

[anuj]

It's the first and only Norinco 1911 I've seen in real life. EVER.

 

The thing is f*cking weird, though. It's definitely a Nork base. It's even got Engrish on the side: "Model of the 1911A1". It's got all sorts of custom work on it, though. It's got a beveled magwell extension, extended slide stop and extended thumb safety, extreme beaver-tailed grip safety, new springs, a match-grade barrel bushing, full length guide rod, skeletonized/spurred trigger and hammer, polished feed ramp, and match-grade barrel.

 

The funny thing is that the sights are f*cking atrocious, but this gun definitely shoots better than I do.

 

Still planning on doing some more custom work to it though. I want to get low-profile Novak or Trijicon sights, and a threaded barrel because I've always wanted a suppressed .45.

 

edit - Just stripped it. The trigger even has an adjustable overtravel screw. Strange stuff again, though, it's got the number "1976" engraved on the slide, barrel, guide rod, frame, and all four mags.

 

I guess the previous owner was nuts.

[Creed Bratton]

It's the first and only Norinco 1911 I've seen in real life. EVER.

 

The thing is f*cking weird, though. It's definitely a Nork base. It's even got Engrish on the side: "Model of the 1911A1". It's got all sorts of custom work on it, though. It's got a beveled magwell extension, extended slide stop and extended thumb safety, extreme beaver-tailed grip safety, new springs, a match-grade barrel bushing, full length guide rod, skeletonized/spurred trigger and hammer, polished feed ramp, and match-grade barrel.

 

The funny thing is that the sights are f*cking atrocious, but this gun definitely shoots better than I do.

 

Still planning on doing some more custom work to it though. I want to get low-profile Novak or Trijicon sights, and a threaded barrel because I've always wanted a suppressed .45.

 

edit - Just stripped it. The trigger even has an adjustable overtravel screw. Strange stuff again, though, it's got the number "1976" engraved on the slide, barrel, guide rod, frame, and all four mags.

 

I guess the previous owner was nuts.

WOW, sounds like this dude was the previous owner LMFAO

[SpaceC]

* The feeding ramp has been polished to a mirror sheen, preventing feeding problems.

* The slide has been replaced with a reinforced version.

* The frame has been iron-welded and scraped down multiple times for maximum precision.

* The trigger guard of the frame has been checkered to make it dig into the hand, preventing slipping.

* The sight system has been replaced with a trilux 3-dot type for easier aiming.

* The regular hammer has been replaced with a ring hammer.

* The thumbs safety and the slide stop are extended to allow for more precise handling.

* The base of the trigger guard has been whittled down, so the user can use a higher grip.

* The trigger pull is about 3.5 pounds. (About 1.5 pounds lighter than is standard)

* The trigger has been modified into a long type to suit Snake's hands better.

* The magazine well has been widened for easier and swifter reloading.

* The magazine release button has been cut down low to make it harder to hit by mistake, especially when in a holster.

* The mainspring housing has been changed to a flat type to increase grip.

* Cocking serrations were added to the front part of the slide, assisting slide manipulation.

* Grip was notched to accomadate CQC knife

* Threaded barrel and sound suppressor (though unmentioned, these are not standardized features for pistols)

[Creed Bratton]

Well, when Anuj said he wants a suppressor it's cool, but when I want one I'm a f*ckin' nutter

Anyway, the thing about guns is kinda tricky for me cause I'm left handed, and I can't find a lot of guns that would fit me. That's why I'm mostly bound to revolvers

I like the ring hammer on your 1911 anuj

I would kill for a gun like that

Edited December 30, 2008 by GTAvanja

[Gta Guy 108]

It's the first and only Norinco 1911 I've seen in real life. EVER.

 

The thing is f*cking weird, though. It's definitely a Nork base. It's even got Engrish on the side: "Model of the 1911A1". It's got all sorts of custom work on it, though. It's got a beveled magwell extension, extended slide stop and extended thumb safety, extreme beaver-tailed grip safety, new springs, a match-grade barrel bushing, full length guide rod, skeletonized/spurred trigger and hammer, polished feed ramp, and match-grade barrel.

 

The funny thing is that the sights are f*cking atrocious, but this gun definitely shoots better than I do.

 

Still planning on doing some more custom work to it though. I want to get low-profile Novak or Trijicon sights, and a threaded barrel because I've always wanted a suppressed .45.

 

edit - Just stripped it. The trigger even has an adjustable overtravel screw. Strange stuff again, though, it's got the number "1976" engraved on the slide, barrel, guide rod, frame, and all four mags.

 

I guess the previous owner was nuts.

I think you have one of Big Boss's guns. MGS is the best.

[Creed Bratton]

It's the first and only Norinco 1911 I've seen in real life. EVER.

 

The thing is f*cking weird, though. It's definitely a Nork base. It's even got Engrish on the side: "Model of the 1911A1". It's got all sorts of custom work on it, though. It's got a beveled magwell extension, extended slide stop and extended thumb safety, extreme beaver-tailed grip safety, new springs, a match-grade barrel bushing, full length guide rod, skeletonized/spurred trigger and hammer, polished feed ramp, and match-grade barrel.

 

The funny thing is that the sights are f*cking atrocious, but this gun definitely shoots better than I do.

 

Still planning on doing some more custom work to it though. I want to get low-profile Novak or Trijicon sights, and a threaded barrel because I've always wanted a suppressed .45.

 

edit - Just stripped it. The trigger even has an adjustable overtravel screw. Strange stuff again, though, it's got the number "1976" engraved on the slide, barrel, guide rod, frame, and all four mags.

 

I guess the previous owner was nuts.

I think you have one of Big Boss's guns. MGS is the best.

Dude this is a serious topic. Posting the same joke ain't fun several times. If you ain't got a gun to show us come back when you do. Otherwise, take it to the MGS topic

[Creed Bratton]

.357 FPS LOL

 

EDIT: Oh crap, sorry for the double post. It was an accident. A merge maybe by the mod, please?