The Possible Trinity

[cactus.]

Hey guys,

 

I've never played Lost&Damned BOGT. for $39.99, are they really worth it?

Edited September 14, 2010 by TheCacti

[meson1]

$39.99 seems a little pricey. But I don't know what platform you're on and I don't know what the going rate is for consoles (if that's what you're on).

 

I paid 14.99 GBP from Amazon.co.uk for EFLC on PC-DVD. Aside from the price aspect, it's a big fat "Yes" from me. It's a must have in my books.

 

YMMV

[The Notorious MOB]

 

Thanks for that mission tree MA.  Right after I'd gone and made my own too, because I thought you'd "left" the board.

 

But I think that confirms an error in MOB's mission list, doesn't it?

 

He has "Babysitting" before "A Long Way To Fall" when according to everything I've seen "A Long Way To Fall" is one of the triggers for "Babysitting"

 

Now I thought I'd got it wrong because I'm sure numerous people have said that they've played through MOB's list without any problems.

Yes that is an error on my part. I am aware of it, I just haven't gotten around to fixing it yet... good spot though.

 

EDIT: It has now been fixed. Thanks for reminding me

Edited September 15, 2010 by Money Over Bullshit

[LuisBellic]

Isnt elizabeta's missions earlier?

[Magic_Al]

 

Isnt elizabeta's missions earlier?

The timing of Elizabeta's missions was discussed a few posts back in this topic (a couple months ago). Jimbatron had a couple ways to avoid a conflict with Niko hearing about Elizabeta going to prison before Johnny finishes her missions, but MOB had reservations about making Niko jump through those hoops. According to GTA Wiki, Johnny can call Elizabeta after Shifting Weight and hear her just before she's arrested, so it would be good to know how late can that happen and exactly when is Elizabeta reported arrested in Niko's story. I sense that my mission tree needs another dotted arrow between stories (continuity prerequisite) but I'm not sure where it would go.

 

According to the log I made of news stories, the Drug Bust Trial story reporting Elizabeta's prison sentence was unlocked by "Diamonds Are a Girl's Best Friend", which has to be many in-game days, realistically weeks, after she's arrested.

Edited November 15, 2010 by Magic_Al

[Jimbatron]

According to GTA Wiki, Johnny can call Elizabeta after Shifting Weight and hear her just before she's arrested, so it would be good to know how late can that happen and exactly when is Elizabeta reported arrested in Niko's story. I sense that my mission tree needs another dotted arrow between stories (continuity prerequisite) but I'm not sure where it would go.

From memory, I think this basically occurs the next time you call her (if you choose to) any time after "Shifting Weight" other than the mandatory call JK makes after completion (references to drugs being flushed down the toilet as the Feds are trying to break down her door). Similarly with Mallorie's phone call in IV, she will ring some time after "Have a Heart", but when it actually occurs may vary, especially if you do back to back missions quickly, and are receiving other calls.

 

I'll have another look into it in more detail if I get the time, but I suspect we won't be able to pin down a definitive timing relative to missions other than these two.

 

The only difficulty as we know is a pratical one is that Mallorie's call to Niko has a nasty tendency to come too quickly after "Have a Heart", so you've got to delay it as long as possible if you want a consistent play through. If R* wanted to patch it to ensure consistency, I guess the call to Niko would have to come either after one of "Museum Piece" or "Hostile Negotiations", since they both guarantee that JK's missons for Elizabeta must have finished.

 

By the way, your mission tree is pretty awesome Magic_AL - beats the crap out of the ones on wikigta!

[LuisBellic]

What do you think of the list I tried making with the missions in order it's in my Chronicles From Liberty City topic it also has missions from fake DLC concepts.

 

heres the link http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...st&p=1060182795

[The Notorious MOB]

What do you think of the list I tried making with the missions in order it's in my Chronicles From Liberty City topic it also has missions from fake DLC concepts.

 

heres the link http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...st&p=1060182795

Maybe you could spread the missions out a bit more so missions from the same story are not all bunched together

[Duxfever]

Congrats on the sticky!

[The Notorious MOB]

Congrats on the sticky!

Thank you sir

[LuisBellic]

Here's How I think the mission's go in order

 

White=IV

Red=TLAD

Purple=TBOGT

 

 

 

The Cousins Bellic [-]

It's Your Call

Three's A Crowd

Bleed Out

First Date

Easy Fare

Jamaican Heat

Bull In A China Shop

Hung Out To Dry

Clean Getaway

Ivan The Not So Terrible

Concrete Jungle

Uncle Vlad

Crime And Punishment

Do You Have Protection?

Clean And Serene (TLAD)

Angels In America (TLAD)

Final Destination

Logging On

No Love Lost [+]

Action/Reaction(TLAD)

Rigged To Blow

Liberty City Choppers(TLAD)

Bad Cop Drop(TLAD)

The Master And The Molotov [+]

Russian Revolution

Roman's Sorrow [-]

Escuela Of The Streets

Luck Of The Irish

Blow Your Cover/Buyer's Market(GTA IV and TLAD crossover)

Search And Delete

Politics(TLAD)

Coming Down(TLAD)

Off-Route(TLAD)

Easy As Can Be

Out Of The Closet

No.1

The Puerto Rican Connection

Heavy Toll(TLAD)

The Snow Storm [-]

Marta Full Of Grace(TLAD)[/color]

Shifting Weight (TLAD) [+]

Have A Heart

Call And Collect

Harboring A Grudge

Waste Not Want Knots

Three Leaf Clover/I Luv LC(GTA IV and TBOGT crossover)

Chinese Takeout(TBOGT)

This sh*t's Cursed(TLAD)

Practice Swing(TBOGT)

Momma's Boy(TBOGT)

Corner Kids (TBoGT) [+]

Clocking Off(TBOGT)

Hit The Pipe(TLAD)

Final Interview

End Of Chapter(TLAD)

Bad Standing(TLAD)

Bang Bang(TBOGT)

Sexy Time(TBOGT)

High Dive(TBOGT)

Caught With Your Pants Down(TBOGT)

For The Man Who Has Everything(TBOGT)

Lure

Blog This! (TBOGT)

Actions Speak Louder Than Words

I Need Your Clothes Your Boots & Your Motorcycle

Deconstruction For Beginners

Blog This Part 2(TBOGT)

Ruff Rider

Undress To Kill

Photo Shoot

Romans Holiday(TLAD)

Hostile Negotiation

The Holland Play

Wrong Is Right

Potrait Of A Killer

Dust-Off

Paper Trail

A Long Way To Fall

Smackdown

Babysitting

Tunnel Of Death

Blood Brothers

Undertaker

Diamonds In The Rough/Frosting On The Cake(TLAD and TBOGT crossover)

Taking In The Trash

Meltdown

Boulevard Baby(TBOGT)

I'll Take Her

Museum Piece/Collector's Item/Not So Fast(GTA IV TLAD and TBOGT crossover)

No Way On The Subway

Was It Worth It?(TLAD)

Get Lost(TLAD)

Going Deep(TBOGT)

Dropping In(TBOGT)

Late Checkout

Weekend At Florians

Ransom

Hating The Haters

Union Drive

Buoys Ahoy

Truck Hustle

Pegorinos Pride

Payback

Catch The Wave

Trespass

In The Crosshairs(TBOGT)

To Live And Die In Alderney

Diamonds Are A Girls Best Friend [+]

Ladies Half Price (TBOGT) [-]

Entourage

Flatline

Pest Control

Dining Out

Liquidize The Assets

That Special Someone

One Last Thing

A Dish Served Cold/If The Price Is Right(Choice between Revenge & Deal ending)

Mr. And Mrs. Bellic

Partys Over(TBOGT)

Out Of Commision(Revenge)/A Revengers Tragedy(Deal)

Departure Time(TBOGT)

Edited January 2, 2011 by LuisBellic

[OGIamLoco]

A minor thing MOB, Crime and Punishment is a Faustin mission not Roman.

 

anyways, good work...

[The Lolwut Pear]

A minor thing MOB, Crime and Punishment is a Faustin mission not Roman.

 

anyways, good work...

No, it's a Roman mission. You go to his icon in the dumpster and the mission starts.

[LuisBellic]

A minor thing MOB, Crime and Punishment is a Faustin mission not Roman.

 

anyways, good work...

No, it's a Roman mission. You go to his icon in the dumpster and the mission starts.

It's kinda for both of them.

[Magic_Al]

A minor thing MOB, Crime and Punishment is a Faustin mission not Roman.

 

anyways, good work...

No, it's a Roman mission. You go to his icon in the dumpster and the mission starts.

It's kinda for both of them.

To be used as a play-through guide, the list has to tell which icon to go to next.

 

Rockstar decides who's mission it is. It's not unusual in these games that someone you know leads you to an encounter with someone else who tells you what to do. Consider it from an un-spoiled player's perspective.

[OGIamLoco]

opps, my mistake, I really meant Do You Have Protection.

I see it has already been changed to "F" so never mind...

[The Notorious MOB]

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Edited January 10, 2011 by Money Over Bullshit

[Jimbatron]

I'm not sure if anyone has already pointed this out, but I think it is possible to precisely determine the timing of "Get Lost" in relation to Luis' story.

 

The transformation of the Lost Club House is not as obvious as Roman's Cab depot burning down but nevertheless there are definite differences. This image is taken before "Get Lost":

 

 

And this is how it looks afterwards:

 

 

There are three main differences afterwards:

 

1) The windows are blacked out

2) The Lost logo is not longer visible in the arch above the door

3) An extra No Parking sign has been added to the right of the door

 

I had a check through TBOGT and the exact same transformation occurs after "Ladies Night"

 

The Club House before "Ladies Night":

 

 

And afterwards:

 

 

I've checked and missions which are not prerequisites for "Ladies Night" ("Caught With Your Pants Down", "Clocking Off", and "Kibbutz Number One", and those that follow them) have no bearing on whether or not the transformation of the club house occurs.

 

I think we can therefore conclude that "Get Lost" and "Ladies Night" occur at the same time. This must also mean that TLAD finished somewhere in between Niko completing "Ransom" and starting "She's a Keeper". I'm fairly convinced I'm right on this, but if someone can confirm that would be great.

 

For anyone who has read my previous comments, this unfortunately blows my theory to bits that "Get Lost" might occur after as "Diamonds Are a Girl's Best Friend" meaning Gerry was unable to use biker's invasion as an opportunity to escape.

[The Notorious MOB]

That's an exellent observation man. It does put a huge gap between "Was it Worth it?" and "Get Lost" but I suppose I can't despute the evidence. I'll wait a couple of days before I change the list though to see if anybody has anything to say about it.

[Jimbatron]

That's an exellent observation man. It does put a huge gap between "Was it Worth it?" and "Get Lost" but I suppose I can't despute the evidence. I'll wait a couple of days before I change the list though to see if anybody has anything to say about it.

Thanks man. I think it might be plausible there is a long gap between "Was it Worth it?" and "Get Lost", because in reality the bikers would need a fair bit of time to prepare for such a large assault. Alternatively, [PMC] Ransom [GT] Ladies' Night and [GMC] She's A Keeper could start earlier and be a bit more spread out, allowing "Get Lost" to be a bit earlier also. I can't see any obvious conflicts with doing so, as they are not constrained by Peggorino Family missions, or those for Bulgarin and Yusuf Amir. I don't think [GMC] Diamonds Are A Girl's Best Friend necessarily has to occur immediately after [GMC] She's A Keeper.

 

As an aside, I think it is another Credit to R*'s attention to detail - who would have thought they would have bothered to include the Club House change in TBOGT?

[OGIamLoco]

Thats pretty cool, makes for a large change to the current list.

 

I've been making a mega Checklist based on the 3 games combined using this, its 26 pages now. lol, man, I'm never gonna finish this game!

 

One thing I got messed up with was sticking around GTAIV too long after The Master anb the Molotov,

and I got the phone to start Russian Revolution and Roman's Sorrow out of order with TLAD, Bad Cop Drop.

You may want to put a warning in the list about that.

 

Keep up the good work.

[The Notorious MOB]

 

That's an exellent observation man. It does put a huge gap between "Was it Worth it?" and "Get Lost" but I suppose I can't despute the evidence. I'll wait a couple of days before I change the list though to see if anybody has anything to say about it.

Thanks man. I think it might be plausible there is a long gap between "Was it Worth it?" and "Get Lost", because in reality the bikers would need a fair bit of time to prepare for such a large assault. Alternatively, [PMC] Ransom [GT] Ladies' Night and [GMC] She's A Keeper could start earlier and be a bit more spread out, allowing "Get Lost" to be a bit earlier also. I can't see any obvious conflicts with doing so, as they are not constrained by Peggorino Family missions, or those for Bulgarin and Yusuf Amir. I don't think [GMC] Diamonds Are A Girl's Best Friend necessarily has to occur immediately after [GMC] She's A Keeper.

 

As an aside, I think it is another Credit to R*'s attention to detail - who would have thought they would have bothered to include the Club House change in TBOGT?

I tried rearranging the missions to reduce the gap between "Was it Worth it" and "Get Lost" but doing so creates a huge gap in TBOGT. The missions were already very spread out as it was.. now they're just miles apart. There are so many missions that come after The Diamond Deal in GTA IV and so little in both of the other games. It just doesn't look right at all.

 

EDIT: After a bit more rearranging..It actually looks ok. I've posted a new version of the list, if there are any obvious mistakes that anybody can see let me know.

 

As a side note I've also switched Pegorino and Gravelli's missions around at the end as I think Dimitri would've needed some time to set up the heroin deal with the Pegorinos and he wouldn't have needed to do this until after the coke was destroyed in "Liquidize The Assets".

Edited January 10, 2011 by Money Over Bullshit

[LuisBellic]

Yo dude wouldn't Bleed Out have to happen before First Date? becuase Niko is drving there but get's the call that Roman is in trouble so he is forced to go back and rescue him.

EDIT: Nevermind I noticed you fixed that on the new list

Edited January 10, 2011 by LuisBellic

[Finn 7 five 11]

I am going to play through again in this order, just for the fun of it, since i got it all on one disc now as well.

I have never visited the BoGT forums before, and im surprised anyone went to the trouble of doing this.

[Jimbatron]

Nice new list MOB, frequency looks good, TBOGT missions are always going to be spread thin over Niko's towards the end.

 

Feel a bit guilty I didn't spot the club house thing sooner given you've had to go back and update the list for the nth time again!

[The Notorious MOB]

 

Nice new list MOB, frequency looks good, TBOGT missions are always going to be spread thin over Niko's towards the end.

 

Feel a bit guilty I didn't spot the club house thing sooner given you've had to go back and update the list for the nth time again!

I would much rather have the list 100% accurate than not have to keep changing the order. After over a year I can now accept things a lot more than I originally could and one of those things is that there needs to be large gaps in between some DLC missions. With that said I have also now moved "Party's Over" so it happens right before "Mr. and Mrs. Bellic "since it happens the day before "Departure Time" which has the possibility of occuring after Niko's final mission (if the Deal path is chosen).

I hope that this is now the final list and I have added it to the first page but if anybody has any issues they would like to raise.. please don't hesitate to let me know.

Edited January 10, 2011 by Money Over Bullshit

[TheGameSter1100]

Soo much cookies for you kind sir

I might play IV/EFLC again in this order and pay attention to cut scenes and dialog, because the first time I played through GTA 4

"How did that happen" or "who's that?"

When I played through both DLC, I was like

"Oh that explains a lot" and "Hey, its that person"

And now, soo much things are going to make sense

Thanks so much for this list (:

[The Notorious MOB]

Soo much cookies for you kind sir

I might play IV/EFLC again in this order and pay attention to cut scenes and dialog, because the first time I played through GTA 4

"How did that happen" or "who's that?"

When I played through both DLC, I was like

"Oh that explains a lot" and "Hey, its that person"

And now, soo much things are going to make sense

Thanks so much for this list (:

Yeah it's so much better when you get the Complete Picture.

[Finn 7 five 11]

I have found it a major pain in the ass having to load each game separately, so i dunno if i will bother with the trinity, plus it won't autoload IV if i play TLAD, i have to re-start the game the game skip the first cutscene, then pause and load my IV save.

 

SO i have been doing them not quite in order, but close, so i do 3-5 IV mission then do a couple TLAD ones to catch up, haven't gotten to BOGT yet, i gotta say IV is so easy.

[The Notorious MOB]

I noticed (or rather heard) something while playing the mission "Heavy Toll" that may have a bearing on the list.

Basically what it was was that Malc said to the AOD members when he stopped them at the toll booth and took their money "I hope this isn't one of them fake bills I've been hearing about". As we all know the fake notes are brought into the city in the mission "Babysitting" for Derrick McReary so this comment would effectively mean that Heavy Toll takes place some time after Babysitting. If anybody has an alternative explaination though I would love to hear it (since it would mean me not having to change the list around again).