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In this topic I will attempt to create a comprehensive list that can be used to play GTA IV and The Episodes From Liberty City together in chronological order as if it were one big complete story (as it is intended to be). The list Will Not be 100% set in stone as this is impossible due to the vast amount of choice available to the player. The purpose is just to give people a general idea of when things occur in one story relative to another.

I first got the idea for this topic when I seen a similar one in the TLAD section which was created by Mafioso86. I then took his Idea and expanded on it and through the research of myself and others I was able to take the original list and change it around so it would represent a logical and accurate way to play the three stories in unision. Below is the list I eventually came up with. Please note that the list is best used on the second playthrough of The Episodes as not only will the list itself make more sense but so too will the whole story of the three episodes together. And it might seem a little obvious but a copy of GTA IV and Episodes From Liberty City on disc or your Hard Drive is needed for this list to work. I also recommend turning autosave on.

Just to make it easier to understand I have put in several indicators that symbolise different aspects of the story such as Crossovers, different coloured text for the three different games and the initials of the mission giver before each mission etc.

The colours I will use are: White for Niko's Missions, Red for Johnny's missions and Pink for Luis's Missions.

The Initials for each mission giver that will be used are:

R - Roman •M - Michelle •LJ - Little Jacob •BG - Billy Grey •V - Vlad •MF - Mikhail Faustin •J - Jim

DR - Dimitri Raskolov •BK - Brucie Kibbutz •ME - Manny Escuela •E - Elizabeta Torres •S - Stubbs

A - Ashley •FMC - Francis McReary •ULP - United Liberty Paper •X - Playboy X •D - Dwayne Forge

ML - Mrs. Lopez (House) •PMC - Packie McReary •GT - Gay Tony [H = House (Day), C = Club (Night)]

RB - Ray Boccino •GMC - Gerry McReary •MK - Mori Kibbutz •YA - Yusuf Amir •DMC - Derrick McReary

BC - Bernie Crane •B - Bulgarin •RP - Rocco Pelosi •PB - Phil Bell •JP - Jimmy Pegorino •G - Jon Gravelli

To indicate a crossover mission I've put [+] and [-] symbols beside crossovers to indicate the start and end of a crossover with the mission that "starts" first coming before its counterpart on the list (e.g. Johnny gets to Liz's house before Niko for the heroin deal so I've put "Buyer's Market" before "Blow Your Cover" even though the main part of the mission happens at the same time in both stories). Missions with 3 parts e.g The Impossible Trinity will have a [=] symbol beside the middle mission as an indicator.

And as if that wasn't enough, for GTA IV I've also put the Deal missions in Green and the Revenge missions in Yellow just to make it even easier to understand.

So with all of that out of the way.. Here is the List:

[R] The Cousins Bellic
[R] It's Your Call
[R] Three's a Crowd
[R] Bleed Out
[M] First Date
[R] Easy Fare
[R] Jamaican Heat
[LJ] Concrete Jungle
[V] Bull In a China Shop
[V] Hung Out to Dry
[V] Clean Getaway
[V] Ivan the Not So Terrible
[R] Uncle Vlad
[R] Crime and Punishment
[MF] Do You Have Protection?
[LJ] Shadow
[bG] Clean and Serene
[MF] Final Destination
[R] Logging On
[bG] Angels In America [+]
[MF] No Love Lost [=]
[MF] Rigged to Blow
[DR] The Master and the Molotov
[J] Liberty City Choppers
[DR] Russian Revolution
[R] Roman's Sorrow
[bG] It's War [-]
[bK] Search and Delete
[ME] Escuela of the Streets
[bK] Easy As Can Be
[ME] Street Sweeper
[bG] Action/Reaction
[E] Luck of the Irish
[E] Buyer's Market [+]
[E] Blow Your Cover [-]
[J] Bad Cop Drop
[bK] Out of the Closet
Politics
[A] Coming Down
[bK] No. 1
[ME] The Puerto Rican Connection
[E] The Snow Storm
[FMC] Call and Collect
Off Route
[E] Have a Heart
[PMC] Harboring a Grudge
[PMC] Waste Not Want Knots
[PMC] Three Leaf Clover [+]
[GT] I Luv LC [-]
[FMC] Final Interview Part 1
[GT] Chinese Takeout [C] [+]
[FMC] Final Interview Part 2
[bG] This sh*t's Cursed [-]
[J] Hit the Pipe
[E] Heavy Toll
[E] Marta Full Of Grace
[E] Shifting Weight
[DMC] Smackdown
[ML] Momma's Boy
[FMC] Holland Nights
[ML] Corner Kids
[FMC] Lure
[ML] Clocking Off
[GMC] Actions Speak Louder than Words
[J] End of Chapter
[GMC] I Need Your Clothes, Your Boots and Your Motorcycle
[YA] Sexy Time
[RB] A Long Way to Fall
[YA] High Dive
[DMC] Babysitting
[YA] Caught With Your Pants Down
[DMC] Tunnel of Death
[J] Bad Standing
[FMC] Blood Brothers
[GT] Practice Swing
[PMC] Undertaker
[GT] Bang Bang [H]
[X] Deconstruction for Beginners
[MK] Kibbutz Number One
[D] Ruff Rider
[D] Undress to Kill
[MK] This Aint Checkers
[A] Roman's Holiday [+]
[X] Photo Shoot
[R] Hostile Negotiation [-]
[MK] No. 3
[X/D] The Holland Play
[uLP] Wrong Is Right
[uLP] Portrait of a Killer
[GT] Blog This! [C]
[uLP] Dust Off
[uLP] Paper Trail
[GT] Frosting On The Cake [H] [+]
[RB] Diamonds In the Rough [=]
[RB] Taking In the Trash [-]
[GT] Boulevard Baby [C]
[RB] Meltdown
[GT] ...Blog This!
[GMC] I'll Take Her
[RB] Museum Piece [+]
[RB] Collector's Item [=]
[GT] Not So Fast [-]
[RB] Was It Worth It? [+]
[RB] No Way on the Subway [-]
[RB] Late Checkout
[RB] Weekend at Florian's
[PMC] Ransom
Get Lost
[GT] Ladies' Night [+]
[GMC] She's A Keeper [-]
Going Deep
[bC] Hating the Haters
[bC] Union Drive
[bC] Buoy's Ahoy
Dropping In
[PB] Truck Hustle
[JP] Pegorino's Pride
[JP] Payback
[YA] For The Man Who Has Everything
[PB] Catch the Wave
[PB] Trespass
In The Crosshairs
[PB] To Live and Die In Alderney

[G] Entourage
[GMC] Diamonds Are A Girl's Best Friend [+]
[GT] Ladies Half Price [-]
[G] Dining Out
[G] Liquidize the Assets
[JP] Flatline
[JP] Pest Control
[uLP] That Special Someone
[JP] One Last Thing
[DR] If the Price Is Right / A Dish Served Cold
[R] Mr. & Mrs. Bellic
[RP] Party's Over
[LJ] A Revenger's Tragedy / Out of Commission
[GT] Departure Time

Anybody who wishes to see how this list came about or see the explanations behind the placing of TLAD missions can view Mafioso86's original topic here. (My list is in this post here). Anybody looking for more information on how the three stories connect with each other can do so in this topic.

* Although the list above shows the "true" way to play the three stories simultaneously, it may be quite frustrating to play through for those using the Episodes From Liberty City disc in conjunction with the original GTA IV disc. If you are one of those people - CLICK HERE for an alternative chapter based list that groups missions from each game together (where possible) in order to drasticly cut down on the amount of disc swapping.

For a detailed mission tree made by Magic Al Click Here.

Alternatively if you wish to play the missions from EFLC Only (i.e. without the IV missions) then check out This List posted by The Lolwut Pear

 

I've also put together a theoretical table showing how the three stories would play out if the games were structured similar to GTA V. Here it is:

 

[table]


Niko
Johnny
Luis


[R] The Cousins Bellic

[R] It's Your Call

[R] Three's a Crowd

[R] Bleed Out

[M] First Date

[R] Easy Fare

[R] Jamaican Heat

[LJ] Concrete Jungle

[V] Bull In a China Shop

[V] Hung Out to Dry

[V] Clean Getaway

[V] Ivan the Not So Terrible

[R] Uncle Vlad

[R] Crime and Punishment

[MF] Do You Have Protection?

[LJ] Shadow

[MF] Final Destination

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-

[MF] No Love Lost

[bK] Logging On

[MF] Rigged to Blow

[bK] Search and Delete

[bK] Easy As Can Be

[DR] The Master and the Molotov

[DR] Russian Revolution

[R] Roman's Sorrow

[ME] Escuela of the Streets

[ME] Street Sweeper

[bK] Out of the Closet

[bK] No. 1

[E] Luck of the Irish

[E] Blow Your Cover {2W}

[ME] The Puerto Rican Connection

[E] The Snow Storm

[FMC] Call and Collect

[E] Have a Heart

[PMC] Harboring a Grudge

[PMC] Waste Not Want Knots

[RB] A Long Way to Fall

[PMC] Three Leaf Clover

-

[FMC] Final Interview

-

-

-

-

-

[DMC] Smackdown

[FMC] Holland Nights

[FMC] Lure

[GMC] Actions Speak Louder than Words

[GMC] I Need Your Clothes, Your Boots and Your Motorcycle

[DMC] Babysitting

[DMC] Tunnel of Death

[FMC] Blood Brothers

[PMC] Undertaker

[X] Deconstruction for Beginners

[D] Ruff Rider

[D] Undress to Kill

[X] Photo Shoot

[R] Hostile Negotiation

[X/D] The Holland Play

[uLP] Wrong Is Right

[uLP] Portrait of a Killer

[uLP] Dust Off

[uLP] Paper Trail

-

[RB] Taking In the Trash

[RB] Meltdown

[GMC] I'll Take Her

[RB] Museum Piece {3W}

[RB] No Way on the Subway

[RB] Late Checkout

[RB] Weekend at Florian's

[PMC] Ransom

-

[GMC] She's A Keeper

[bC] Hating the Haters

[bC] Union Drive

[bC] Buoy's Ahoy

[PB] Truck Hustle

[JP] Pegorino's Pride

[JP] Payback

[PB] Catch the Wave

[PB] Trespass

[PB] To Live and Die In Alderney

[GMC] Diamonds Are A Girl's Best Friend {2W}

[G] Entourage

[G] Dining Out

[G] Liquidize the Assets

[JP] Flatline

[JP] Pest Control

[uLP] That Special Someone

[JP] One Last Thing

[DR] If the Price Is Right / A Dish Served Cold

[R] Mr. & Mrs. Bellic

[LJ] A Revenger's Tragedy / Out of Commission

-

 


-

-

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-

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

[bG] Clean and Serene

[bG] Angels In America

-

[J] Liberty City Choppers

-

-

-

-

-

[bG] It's War

[bG] Action/Reaction

-

-

-

-

[E] Buyer's Market {2W}

[J] Bad Cop Drop

Politics

[A] Coming Down

Off Route

-

-

-

-

-

-

[bG] This sh*t's Cursed

[J] Hit the Pipe

[E] Heavy Toll

[E] Marta Full Of Grace

[E] Shifting Weight

[J] End of Chapter

[J] Bad Standing

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

[A] Roman's Holiday

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

[RB] Diamonds In the Rough {2W}

-

-

-

[RB] Collector's Item {3W}

[RB] Was It Worth It?

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Get Lost

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-

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-

-

-

-

-

-

[GT] I Luv LC

[GT] Chinese Takeout

-

[ML] Momma's Boy

[ML] Corner Kids

[ML] Clocking Off

[YA] Sexy Time

[YA] High Dive

[YA] Caught With Your Pants Down

[GT] Practice Swing

[GT] Bang Bang

[MK] Kibbutz Number One

[MK] This Aint Checkers

[MK] No. 3

[GT] Blog This!

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

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[GT] Frosting On The Cake {2W}

-

-

-

[GT] Not So Fast {3W}

-

-

-

-

[GT] Ladies' Night

Going Deep

Dropping In

[YA] For The Man Who Has Everything

In The Crosshairs

-

-

-

-

-

-

[GT] Ladies Half Price {2W}

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

[RP] Party's Over

-

[GT] Departure Time

 



[/table]

 

This might actually be a more definitive order. The best way to work through the table would be to work left to right. Niko's missions would theoretically start the cycle so if there is a gap between them then all missions in the previous rows would need to be completed before moving on. Alternatively if a mission occupies a row on its own then all missions before it would need to be completed beforehand and no more would appear until it is done. I'm sure they use a more complex system in GTA V in order to force you to switch to somebody to advance the story but I'm not quite sure what it is. If anybody knows then let me know.

 

I've implimented some symbols for switching - {2W} signifies a two-way switch where switching is available between two characters and {3W} signifies a three-way switch where switching is available between all three characters. In all cases the corresponding missions would be available for all three characters but the mission name, perspective and outcome would be different depending on who triggered it.

 

 

Special Thanks To: Versityle, Magic_Al and everybody else who has helped me with this list along the way (you know who you are).

Keep those "Likes" coming guys :)

Edited by Money Over Bullshit

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JOSEPH X

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GRAND THEFT AUTO IV: Episodes of Liberty City Playthru.

 

The following is a guide to playing through GTA IV plus DLC packs The Lost and Damned and The Ballad of Gay Tony (TBC) at the same time, which leads the player through the great stories, and intense action in (to date) the best video game ever created.

 

Chapter 1: Off the Boat

 

Roman The Cousins Bellic. It`s Your Call. Three`s A Crowd. First Date. Bleed Out. Easy Fare. Jamaican Heat.

Vlad Bull in a China Shop. Hung Out to Dry. Clean Getaway. Ivan the Not So Terrible.

Little Jacob Concrete Jungle.

Roman Uncle Vlad

Faustin Crime and Punishment. Do You Have Protection?

Little Jacob Shadow

Faustin Final Destination.

Billy Grey Clean and Serene. Angels In America.

Faustin No Love Lost. Rigged to Blow.

Roman Logging On

Dimitri The Master and the Molotov

Brucie Search and Delete. Easy As Can Be.

Dimitri Russian Revolution

Roman Roman`s Sorrow

 

Chapter 2: One Percenter

 

Manny Escuela of the Streets.

Brucie Out of the Closet Part: 1

Manny Street Sweeper.

Elizabeta Luck of the Irish.

Brucie Out of the Closet. Part: 2. No. 1

Jim Fitzgerald Liberty City Choppers.

Billy Grey It`s War. Action/Reaction

Jim Fitzgerald Bad Cop Drop.

Elizabeta Buyer`s Market.

Elizabeta Blow Your Cover.

Playboy X Deconstruction for beginners.

Manny The Puerto Rican Connection.

Francis McReary Call and Collect. Final Interview: Part 1

Playboy X Photo Shoot

Dwayne Ruff Rider. Undress to Kill.

Francis McReary Final Interview: Part 2.

Stubbs Politics. Off Route

Ashley Coming Down

Billy Grey This sh*t`s Cursed.

 

 

 

Chapter 3. Full Chat

 

Jim Fitzgerald Hit The Pipe. End of Chapter. Bad Standing.

Elizabeta Heavy Toll. Marta Full of Grace. Shifting weight.

Ashley Roman`s Holiday

Elizabeta The Snow Storm

Playboy X/Dwayne The Holland Play.

Francis McReary Holland Nights. Lure.

Elizabeta Have A Heart.

U. L. Paper Wrong Is Right. Portrait of a Killer

Roman Hostile Negotiation.

 

Chapter 4. Impossible Trinity

 

Packie McReary Harbouring a Grudge. Waste Not Want Knots.

Ray Boccino A Long Way to Fall.

U. L. Paper Dust Off

Packie McReary Three Leaf Clover.

Gay Tony I luv LC

U. L. Paper Paper Trail

Ray Boccino Diamonds in the Rough.

Ray Boccino Taking in the Trash. Meltdown.

Ray Boccino Collectors Item.

Ray Boccino Museum Piece. No Way on the Subway. Weekend at Florian`s.

Ray Boccino Was It Worth It?

Stubbs Get Lost.

 

Chapter 5. Gracefully Taken

 

Gerry McReary Actions Speak Louder Than Words. I Need Your Clothes, Your Boots and Your Motorcycle

Derrick McReary Smackdown. Babysitting. Tunnel of Death.

Bernie Crane Hating the Haters. Union Drive.

Ray Boccino Late Checkout.

Bernie Crane Buoys Ahoy

Francis McReary Blood Brothers.

Packie McReary Undertaker

Gerry McReary I`ll Take Her

Phill Bell Truck Hustle

Gerry McReary Ransom

Jimmy P Pegorino`s Pride

Gerry McReary She`s a Keeper. Diamonds Are a Girl`s Best Friend.

 

Chapter 6. Finish Him

 

Jimmy P Payback.

Phill Bell Catch the Wave. Tresspass. To Live and Die in Alderney.

Jimmy P Flatline.

Jon Gravelli Entourage. Dining Out.

Jimmy P Pest Control

Jon Gravelli Liquidize the Assets.

U. L. Paper That Special Someone

Finale:

Deal If the Price Is Right. Mr. & Mrs. Bellic. A Revenger`s Tragedy.

Revenge A Dish Served Cold. Mr. & Mrs Bellic. Out of Commission.

Edited by II J0SePh X II

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JOSEPH X

Reserved for Magic_Al

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Money Over Bullshit

I didn't think you were gonna go ahead with posting in here Joseph... Are you not doing your "Big Post" anymore??

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shinsta312

This thread is too good to be pushed all the way down to page 3.

 

Rebumping this thread.

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Coral_City

Wow, that's pretty neat! Unfortunately, I have two discs to keep switching around tounge.gif it's all good. Thanks for this!!

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liquidus119

All I know is that I just finished TBoGT, and it definitely ruined most of my timeline...

 

Not that that is a bad thing, just gives me incentive to play more.

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Money Over Bullshit

Thanks for the bump and the props guys. Having played most of The Ballad of Gay Tony though I don't really hold out much hope for the future of this thread. Rockstar f*cked up big Time!! It's gonna take a lot of work to get this list to make sence!!

 

I've added in all of the crossovers up until the end of Johnny's story.. Except for one

(anybody who's played the game will know which).

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bobgtafan
Thanks for the bump and the props guys. Having played most of The Ballad of Gay Tony though I don't really hold out much hope for the future of this thread. Rockstar f*cked up big Time!! It's gonna take a lot of work to get this list to make sence!!

 

I've added in all of the crossovers up until the end of Johnny's story.. Except for one

(anybody who's played the game will know which).

Do you mean that chrologialicly it doesn't make sense?

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Jeramy
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Thanks for that list, I'll try completing the missions in that order and see how it goes. biggrin.gif

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liquidus119
Do you mean that chrologialicly it doesn't make sense?

Well, this is just me speaking, but I find it to be more of a logical/coherency problem than a chronological one.

 

TLAD had a big flaw with how they set up the mission Roman's Holiday. It was set up at a point late in Johnny's story which would basically force Niko to hold off on starting Playboy X's missions (the second of which is the trigger for Hostile Negotiation, which is the companion mission to Roman's Holiday) until later in the game. You can make it work chronologically, but it throws off the narrative of Niko's story by forcing him to do missions later in the game when it would make more sense and flow better if he did them early.

 

Now with BOGT, we face a similar situation in the fact that This Sh*t's Cursed must now take place after Three Leaf Clover. This wouldn't be so bad, except for the fact that This Sh*t's Cursed runs parallel to Final Interview based on news reports.

 

Even if it could work chronologically (which I'm not even sure it can, as I thought you had to do all of Francis missions to unlock Three Leaf Clover) it would still seem awkward considering that you are putting off missions that should take place early in the game until later in the game.

 

I'm sure most of this will fly right over peoples heads. I hope someone gets what I am trying to say though, because at this point I'm starting to think that we are not going to be able to use the internet news stories as references to when missions take place to each other, which kind of leaves us just stabbing in the dark at this thing.

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Versityle
Thanks for the bump and the props guys. Having played most of The Ballad of Gay Tony though I don't really hold out much hope for the future of this thread. Rockstar f*cked up big Time!! It's gonna take a lot of work to get this list to make sence!!

 

I've added in all of the crossovers up until the end of Johnny's story.. Except for one

(anybody who's played the game will know which).

I was actually going over my own custom list I made from the guidance from this thread and I think I might have found a solution but I'm not sure if M.O.B or anyone else is going to like it, but I thought it over and over and there's simply no other way.

 

Having said that I still haven't finished the game obviously, I'm taking it slow and savoring the first playthru, but going back to Elizebeta and "The Snow Storm":

 

We had assumed that the drugs (can't remember if it was coke/heroin/etc.) from TSS was the same drugs Johny stole from the A.O.D in "Heavy Toll". I'm not sure but I don't think there is solid evidence to support this. It was a safe theory but again Liz is a huge drug dealer and she probably has all sorts of sh*t coming in from all over town but it would then leave the question what she did with the A.O.D drugs, I guess we can assume she sold them/kept them or put them together with the drugs Marta smuggled in, who knows?

 

Secondly, M.O.B made the point that "Have a Heart" and "Marta Full of Grace" took place at the same time because of the circumstances that Liz was in with the gun, the drink and the paranoia. Again a good assumption but no solid evidence, her gun, drink and paranoia could have been taking place over a span of several days, maybe weeks and those two moments could have been separate.

 

Those assumptions work fine, but if we were to officialize it in the list then we would get nowhere with trying to figure out where "Chinese Takeout" will go. If we were to remove those assumptions and do "The Snow Storm" and "Have a Heart" a bit earlier without completing "Photo Shoot" we can probably unlock Packie's missions quicker thus unlocking "Three Leaf Clover" much before "Hostile Negotiation/Roman's Holiday" and "This sh*t's Cursed".

 

If this is too confusing please clarify I'll answer the best I can.

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CryptReaperDorian

Awesome! icon14.gif I'm hoping for you to get the 23 other TBOGT missions in the list soon. There is definately one right before or after "Diamond's Are a Girl's Best Friend" obviously.

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The Gaming Nerd

Umm at the end of the game in TBOGT you here one of the guys says now that Rasoclov is dead the stuff is now ours

 

I think he was talking about the Heroin that Jimmy Pegirino set up with him so this means tbogt ends just after gta iv confused.gif

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I just finished playing through GTA 4 for the fourth time recently. I'm pretty sure Packie's missions can be unlocked by doing Francis' first mission, Call & Collect. Final Interview can be done later.

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Nem_Wan

Where do you have to drive the getaway car in Three Leaf Clover to be able to run over Luis in the crosswalk? wink.gif

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Money Over Bullshit

 

I just finished playing through GTA 4 for the fourth time recently. I'm pretty sure Packie's missions can be unlocked by doing Francis' first mission, Call & Collect. Final Interview can be done later.

I was looking at what the prerequisites for Packie's missions were earlier and Think you're right. There's still the order of the TLAD missions to think about aswell though.

 

There's a lot of other stuff that just seems to randomly happen besides Chinese Takeout though.

 

Maybe I should have left the Title as the Impossible Trinity. I'm not gonna give up hope though. Where there's a will there's always a way.

 

EDIT: I'm thinking it could work if I moved Packie's Missions in between Call and Collect and Final Interview.. It would leave a big gap in Johnny's story and IMO also mess up the flow of Niko's. It's the only way to do it though.

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ur list is wrong because one of the cutscenes in the second mission of BOGT "Chineese Takeout" shows Billy Grey telling the Triads to kill Johnny Klebitz in the TLAD mission "This sh*ts Cursed", meaning "Chineese Takeout" is before "This sh*ts Cursed".

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Jackal1337

w00t? tbogt has only 3 missions?

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EDIT: I'm thinking it could work if I moved Packie's Missions in between Call and Collect and Final Interview.. It would leave a big gap in Johnny's story and IMO also mess up the flow of Niko's. It's the only way to do it though.

Yeah I'm thinking so too, but remember, if you do that you'll have to move up "The Snow Storm" and "Have a Heart" as well while leaving "Heavy Toll" and "Marta Full of Grace" where they are.

 

I don't know if you read my last post just a few posts up stating that the two assumptions we made about the drugs from HT being linked in with TSS and HAH taking place at the same time as MFOG will have to be canceled out seeing as there is no solid proof of it. If we can do that the list should still work fine.

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Money Over Bullshit

 

EDIT: I'm thinking it could work if I moved Packie's Missions in between Call and Collect and Final Interview.. It would leave a big gap in Johnny's story and IMO also mess up the flow of Niko's. It's the only way to do it though.

Yeah I'm thinking so too, but remember, if you do that you'll have to move up "The Snow Storm" and "Have a Heart" as well while leaving "Heavy Toll" and "Marta Full of Grace" where they are.

 

I don't know if you read my last post just a few posts up stating that the two assumptions we made about the drugs from HT being linked in with TSS and HAH taking place at the same time as MFOG will have to be canceled out seeing as there is no solid proof of it. If we can do that the list should still work fine.

I think Call and Collect only needs to be done before doing Packie's missions so Elizabetha's missions can stay where they are. I've moved Packie's missions now... It looks a bit sh*t but what can ya do.

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w00t? tbogt has only 3 missions?

No it has many, it's just I dont think M.O.B has finished it yet.

 

Plus TBoGT ends either just before the end of IV or just after.

 

As Niko has a choice on killing Dimitri and Bulgarins men say Dimitri is dead

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Great topic, as i'm currently playing all three stories and i'll post up my listing(i hope) in the next couple weeks.

 

I think i nailed down Niko and Johnny's exact order(if you look just into the serial killer's blog alone, you can get a more exact idea of how the order plays out), but now i need to add in Luis's, and i want to enjoy the game, while i do so.

 

 

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Money Over Bullshit

 

Great topic, as i'm currently playing all three stories and i'll post up my listing(i hope) in the next couple weeks.

 

I think i nailed down Niko and Johnny's exact order(if you look just into the serial killer's blog alone, you can get a more exact idea of how the order plays out), but now i need to add in Luis's, and i want to enjoy the game, while i do so.

Eddie Low's blog only gets updated in Niko's story man so it can't be used as a tool atall.

 

And the reason I havent put all of the missions in yet it because I'm going to do it in stages... First get all of the missions that take place during TLAD in order and then deal with the post TLAD missions.

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EDIT: I'm thinking it could work if I moved Packie's Missions in between Call and Collect and Final Interview.. It would leave a big gap in Johnny's story and IMO also mess up the flow of Niko's. It's the only way to do it though.

Yeah I'm thinking so too, but remember, if you do that you'll have to move up "The Snow Storm" and "Have a Heart" as well while leaving "Heavy Toll" and "Marta Full of Grace" where they are.

 

I don't know if you read my last post just a few posts up stating that the two assumptions we made about the drugs from HT being linked in with TSS and HAH taking place at the same time as MFOG will have to be canceled out seeing as there is no solid proof of it. If we can do that the list should still work fine.

I think Call and Collect only needs to be done before doing Packie's missions so Elizabetha's missions can stay where they are. I've moved Packie's missions now... It looks a bit sh*t but what can ya do.

I know it sucks man, but I'm preetty sure you have to do "Have a Heart" before unlocking Packie's missions. I remember because I used to complete Photo Shoot before have a heart and both Harboring a Grudge and Hostile Negotiation would get unlocked one after the other. I think you should look into that bro.

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EDIT: I'm thinking it could work if I moved Packie's Missions in between Call and Collect and Final Interview.. It would leave a big gap in Johnny's story and IMO also mess up the flow of Niko's. It's the only way to do it though.

Yeah I'm thinking so too, but remember, if you do that you'll have to move up "The Snow Storm" and "Have a Heart" as well while leaving "Heavy Toll" and "Marta Full of Grace" where they are.

 

I don't know if you read my last post just a few posts up stating that the two assumptions we made about the drugs from HT being linked in with TSS and HAH taking place at the same time as MFOG will have to be canceled out seeing as there is no solid proof of it. If we can do that the list should still work fine.

I think Call and Collect only needs to be done before doing Packie's missions so Elizabetha's missions can stay where they are. I've moved Packie's missions now... It looks a bit sh*t but what can ya do.

I know it sucks man, but I'm preetty sure you have to do "Have a Heart" before unlocking Packie's missions. I remember because I used to complete Photo Shoot before have a heart and both Harboring a Grudge and Hostile Negotiation would get unlocked one after the other. I think you should look into that bro.

I've checked the strategy guide. Packie's Missions are unlocked by finishing both "Call and Collect" and "Have a Heart". So technically, both you and MOB are right in terms of what needs to be finished.

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Money Over Bullshit

 

I've checked the strategy guide. Packie's Missions are unlocked by finishing both "Call and Collect" and "Have a Heart". So technically, both you and MOB are right in terms of what needs to be finished.

So that means Chinese Takeout can't happen after Three Leaf Clover. I think in order to be 100% sure somebody needs to play GTA IV in the order I currently have it to see if Harboring a Grudge is unlocked by completing Call and Collect.. If not then the Timeline is f*cked. Any Volunteers??

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So that means Chinese Takeout can't happen after Three Leaf Clover. I think in order to be 100% suresomebody needs to play GTA IV in the order I currently have it to see if Harboring a Grudge is unlocked by completing Call and Collect.. If not then the Timeline is f*cked. Any Volunteers??

Wait, why does that mean it can't happen? It still seems possible, it just comes off as awkward for Niko and Johnny's story flow. Then again it's early for me and I might just be missing something big haha

 

 

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Money Over Bullshit
So that means Chinese Takeout can't happen after Three Leaf Clover. I think in order to be 100% suresomebody needs to play GTA IV in the order I currently have it to see if Harboring a Grudge is unlocked by completing Call and Collect.. If not then the Timeline is f*cked. Any Volunteers??

Wait, why does that mean it can't happen? It still seems possible, it just comes off as awkward for Niko and Johnny's story flow. Then again it's early for me and I might just be missing something big haha

Well Liz tells Niko after Have a Heart that the cops are about to take her down... The same thing she tells Johnny after Shifting Weight which means they happen at more or less the same time. If Have a Heart needs to be done before Harboring a Grudge then that would also mean that This sh*t's cursed (which happens after Chinese Takeout) needs to take place before Three Leaf Clover/I Luv LC

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I'm still very early in TBoGT yet (I take GTA real slow) but I've taken a break to plug the Chinese Takeout problem into my mission tree.

 

It's not looking good. At all. The chart software physically cannot put things in the right order unless we change some assumptions about TLAD's relationship to IV. The first thing that has to go is the news-story link between "This sh*t's Cursed" and "Final Interview Part 2", which I'm changing to be "This sh*t's Cursed" follows Goldberg's murder instead of being simultaneous. However, the side effect is pushing TLAD's timeline down so much that "Diamonds in the Rough" is past "Taking In the Trash". So it's a mess right now.

 

EDIT: working on it. I think it'll be OK.

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