FullMetal Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Well, I'm going offtopic but the only criticism that I can express about the Episodes of Liberty City is the gameplay (=> controller). I just feel limited and 'clamped' when playing any GTA game with a controller. Driving, shooting while driving... rampaging... doing missions (efficiently!) just don't feel and go right with a controller. Apart from that the 'EFLC' package is well done. I haven't encountered any 'hackers' online (and I spent close to 10 hours playing online with my mates). It's worth getting if you have an Xbox... and it'll be damn worth the wait once it comes to the PC and PS3 (I better shouldn't have played it on the Xbox... now I want to play it on the PC even sooner!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BioVirus Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 This isn't a case of a full game exclusive. GTA IV is both PS3 and 360. This is about DLC. It's just 2 episodic extra content, and EACH ONE cost Microsoft 25 million dollars. Consider that GTA IV, with 90 missions, a full blown new graphics and physics engine, a huge detailed city, with comprehensive multiplayer and all sorts of stuff, cost 100 million to make. Microsoft paid 50 million for just 2 little extra episode content that uses the already made city and engine and game. It's a huge, huge price to pay for DLC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnzooger Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 (edited) You want people to provide you proof that the word 'exclusive to the XBOX 360' doesn't really mean exclusive to the xbox 360, and that the 50 million dollars is not really a big deal (not many entire games have that production budget) so that you can feel justified when you say the content will also be on the PS3, even though it has been stated by various sources that it will only be on the 360? This isn't a case of a full game exclusive. GTA IV is both PS3 and 360. This is about DLC. It's just 2 episodic extra content, and EACH ONE cost Microsoft 25 million dollars. Consider that GTA IV, with 90 missions, a full blown new graphics and physics engine, a huge detailed city, with comprehensive multiplayer and all sorts of stuff, cost 100 million to make. Microsoft paid 50 million for just 2 little extra episode content that uses the already made city and engine and game. It's a huge, huge price to pay for DLC. I direct you back to the post from sG4RYt... http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...entry1059587077 I have been saying this ever since the $50mil thing was first brought up. Please enlighten me on the proof you have that "Microsoft paid 50 million" instead of just loaning it. Edited October 31, 2009 by jnzooger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamerShotgun Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 The biggest thing is. Rockstar would simply say "There will be no PS3 version of these DLCs", then they could even get more money out of it, because there are still gamers out there hoping for a PS3 or PC release. That's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BioVirus Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 You want people to provide you proof that the word 'exclusive to the XBOX 360' doesn't really mean exclusive to the xbox 360, and that the 50 million dollars is not really a big deal (not many entire games have that production budget) so that you can feel justified when you say the content will also be on the PS3, even though it has been stated by various sources that it will only be on the 360? This isn't a case of a full game exclusive. GTA IV is both PS3 and 360. This is about DLC. It's just 2 episodic extra content, and EACH ONE cost Microsoft 25 million dollars. Consider that GTA IV, with 90 missions, a full blown new graphics and physics engine, a huge detailed city, with comprehensive multiplayer and all sorts of stuff, cost 100 million to make. Microsoft paid 50 million for just 2 little extra episode content that uses the already made city and engine and game. It's a huge, huge price to pay for DLC. I direct you back to the post from sG4RYt... http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...entry1059587077 I have been saying this ever since the $50mil thing was first brought up. Please enlighten me on the proof you have that "Microsoft paid 50 million" instead of just loaning it. Please provide proof that the transaction between Microsoft and Take-Two was a loan instead of payment for exclusive rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FullMetal Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Please provide proof that the transaction between Microsoft and Take-Two was a loan instead of payment for exclusive rights. Well, NO U... NO U... Come on... don't make this into a 'NO U' battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonp92 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 [email protected] Why do you have to such an ass?? what will you lose if the PS and PC users gets the DLCs?? Nothing. so please stop spamming this tread. go play some XBOX on your big TV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnzooger Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Please provide proof that the transaction between Microsoft and Take-Two was a loan instead of payment for exclusive rights. The point isn't the proof. You've been talking like the $50mil was a proven contract/deal and using that as a reason to argue with every theory that has come along. If it is just a theory, then every other theory is just as valid, and you are just being a troll. Here's the thing... I haven't actually seen proof of any real transaction between Take-Two and Microsoft at all, be it a payoff or a loan. From what I've seen, Take-Two acquired $50mil as loans that they split between 2 fiscal periods in order to keep a balanced portfolio. I never saw where that money came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fedora Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Microsoft pays $50 million for Xbox GTA game exclusive http://texyt.com/Microsoft+pays+$50m+...+episodes+00111 Take Two Gets $50 Million For Exclusive Grand Theft Auto Downloads http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2007/06/take_two_gets_5/ Microsoft: GTA IV Exclusive DLC 'Not Possible' for PS http://news.spong.com/article/15414/Micros...ossible-for-PS3 So go buy a 360 if you can, because is a great console too. I dont like this "exclusive" thing but its all business. Exclusives exists since 8bit era, so we have to live with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BioVirus Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 fedora, you just killed the thread. Good job. There is also a log of Take-Two answering questions by executive Strauss Zelnick. He explains that Microsoft paid them 25 mil for each episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gta 4 gamer Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 I didn't read Fedora's post, but I read the title his links. But let me re-direct you to the post. A good read... http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...entry1059587077 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jnzooger Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 (edited) Update June 18: Next Generation reports an analyst's comments that the $50 million is an advance payment, and that Microsoft typically takes 30 percent of sales of Xbox downloadable content - indicating that Microsoft expects the exclusive episodes to generate at least $70 million in revenue to recoup the payment and generate a profit. Fedora's own link says loan. Besides, all the links were based on the same analyst speculation everyone else is going on. I still haven't seen proof that the money came from Microsoft. Also, the Spong link is just talking about Rockstar calling it exclusive. Microsoft has nothing to do with that according to the article. fedora, you just killed the thread. Good job. There is also a log of Take-Two answering questions by executive Strauss Zelnick. He explains that Microsoft paid them 25 mil for each episode. Actually, they said "The first 25 is for the first episodic content... package that's supposed to go out and that is in March of 08; and that's why its moved into current, because its in the next 12 months. And the second 25 will be for the second episodic, [unintelligible] the episode, and that will be later in [the] fiscal year, fiscal 08." (Talking about allocated funds, nothing else.) (Note: I'm not even saying that it will come out on PC/PS3, I'm not even speculating either way. I'm just presenting facts.) Edited October 31, 2009 by jnzooger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BioVirus Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 As I said before in this thread, if PS3 ever gets the DLC, it will be a long time from now. At least 1 year from now, maybe 2 years from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gta 4 gamer Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 If the EFLC come to ps3 tomorrow, after tomorrow, the day after that, a year from now, two years from now, there is no point in wasting your time in this thread with the 50.000.000 argument, biovirus. This is a thread dedicated to ps3 and PC owners who want to discuss rumours, leaks etc etc about the episodes. 360 fans are welcome, but if you guys 'claim' that the episode will come in atleast 1 year, or 2 years, then you are not welcome. And biovirus, I'm pretty sure everyone who follows this topic regularly understands you and your 'theory' about ps3 and pc's EFLC. I kindly suggest you to read this; and I quote Mainland Marauder: Some might get the idea that because The Ballad of Gay Tony is exclusive to the XBox 360, that this is the place for XBox fanboyism/trolling or "rubbing it in the faces" of PS3/PC gamers. Well, if that's what you think, I'm here to tell you you're sorely mistaken. Keep the fanboy wars and trolling to yourself, and if you think it would be cool to start a separate account to engage in such activities, let it be known that we will find out who you really are, that your troll account will be summarily banned and action will be taken on your main account up to and including a permanent ban from GTAForums. There are plenty of places on the Internet to do the fanboy thing and this forum isn't one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo_V Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Nice said gta 4 gamer. I think that the Episodes will come in form of EFLC. Maybe not for download but as a Disc, that I'm sure. IMO a disc isn't downloadable, (maybe you already knew) and that way they wouldn't break MS Contract Rules (if they even exist). I think it will come at the end of february. But who knows, maybe they release it for PC and PS3 in Dezember, due to the Christmas sales. You know, they'll make a lot of money with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cilogy Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 First, since these arguments, there has been no evidence that states its not coming to PS3. Until we have definite proof from Rockstar that says "no it is not coming to PS3" there will always be a possibility. Second, I'm not gonna trust any MS execs saying that its not possible, because they obviously want to continue making the DLC's a console seller. Plus the guy said that its up to Rockstar. This is in response to this atricle: http://news.spong.com/article/15414/Micros...ossible-for-PS3 The only people we should be quesitoning (the only ones who have not confirmed rumors in any way) is Rockstar. They haven't said anything yet because we don't know if they are getting ready to announce EFLC for PS3 or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gta 4 gamer Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 It's not possible as far as I'm aware, but that would be a good question to ask Rockstar. The M$ executive isn't confirming that its only on xbox, he said its a good question to ask rockstar... Which is true, only rockstar employees know the answer. This executive would have definately said it'd be fully exclusive for the box IF THE 50.000.000 WAS FOR FULL EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS. The executive doesnt have a clue what rockstar have up their sleeve and neither do we. FACT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slamman Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 They may have revised the error, I don't see one thing on that link with GTA mentioned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BioVirus Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 If it's a timed exclusive, then I'd guess Fall of 2010 for PS3, with an announcement in January or February. Microsoft would have added stipulations to their contract to capitalize on the Christmas season with the 2 DLC's. Now that both GTA DLC's are out, many people might go out and buy an XBOX this christmas. That's what I would do if I were Microsoft. I wouldn't pay 50mil and lose out on the advantage for the Xmas season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnage1120 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Has anyone bothered to take the time to ask somebody from Rockstar staff? Can't be that hard to send a message to them, and it wouldn't hurt. Better yet, ask Sony if it will be coming anytime soon. I has no cash 4 DLC ;( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonp92 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 If it's a timed exclusive, then I'd guess Fall of 2010 for PS3, with an announcement in January or February. Microsoft would have added stipulations to their contract to capitalize on the Christmas season with the 2 DLC's. Now that both GTA DLC's are out, many people might go out and buy an XBOX this christmas. That's what I would do if I were Microsoft. I wouldn't pay 50mil and lose out on the advantage for the Xmas season. Do you really think it will take rockstar about 8 months port a ALREADY MADE DLC to PS3 and PC. if they are planning on a fall release in 2010, they shouldt bother, noone will play GTA IV anymore by then. Its now or never ( Min 6 months) [email protected] have you been to rockstars' homepage?? every newswire is filled with comments like; "Hey R* when are we gonna get DLC for PS3/PC??" - They dont wanna comment at this moment. we have to wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BioVirus Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Do you really think it will take rockstar about 8 months port a ALREADY MADE DLC to PS3 and PC.if they are planning on a fall release in 2010, they shouldt bother, noone will play GTA IV anymore by then. Its now or never ( Min 6 months) You realize GTA IV was released in April 2008, and the first downloadable content THE LOST AND DAMNED was released in Feb of 09? That's almost a year. Considering Xmas season is coming up, there is no way Microsoft would let their DLC advantage slip away for Xmas, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnage1120 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 If it's a timed exclusive, then I'd guess Fall of 2010 for PS3, with an announcement in January or February. Microsoft would have added stipulations to their contract to capitalize on the Christmas season with the 2 DLC's. Now that both GTA DLC's are out, many people might go out and buy an XBOX this christmas. That's what I would do if I were Microsoft. I wouldn't pay 50mil and lose out on the advantage for the Xmas season. Do you really think it will take rockstar about 8 months port a ALREADY MADE DLC to PS3 and PC. if they are planning on a fall release in 2010, they shouldt bother, noone will play GTA IV anymore by then. Its now or never ( Min 6 months) [email protected] have you been to rockstars' homepage?? every newswire is filled with comments like; "Hey R* when are we gonna get DLC for PS3/PC??" - They dont wanna comment at this moment. we have to wait... 292,587 accounts on these forums, are you telling me that not ONE OF THEM has ties to Rockstar? Not even Microsoft? Throw me a freakin bone here for god sakes. There has to be somebody! I have a feeling that maybe someone from the big R could be viewing this forum right now laughing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonp92 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Do you really think it will take rockstar about 8 months port a ALREADY MADE DLC to PS3 and PC.if they are planning on a fall release in 2010, they shouldt bother, noone will play GTA IV anymore by then. Its now or never ( Min 6 months) You realize GTA IV was released in April 2008, and the first downloadable content THE LOST AND DAMNED was released in Feb of 09? That's almost a year. As I said; R* only need to port them to PS3/PC. They dont have to make everything from scratch.. like art, story line, missions, features and sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmike72 Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 And if it is coming to ps3 they most likely already have them ported or they are in the process and are just whating for the deal to run out so they can be released onto the PS3/PC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonp92 Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Well, I believe that the deal is over, now that they are done with the two DLCs.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo_V Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 I believe that they already ported TLAD, they started it short after TLAD came out for Xbox. Now they only have to port TBOGT and then they'll release it as EFLC for PC and PS3. They can't let this chance out, they'll make a lot of money again. and that's what they care, making money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarnell Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 As much as I want it to be true, i dont think they will w=realise EFLC for pc or ps3. But that Agent game that is only ps3 is suppose to be better than GTA. Lol cant wait to see that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insom Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 For it to come to PS3 it would need more content than the 360 version. That's what Sony requires every time for a late port of anything. Rockstar would really start a fire with that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ_4_LIFE Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 As I said before in this thread, if PS3 ever gets the DLC, it will be a long time from now. At least 1 year from now, maybe 2 years from now. Nah mate 6 months or less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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