Algonquin Assassin Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 IMO the DLC packs are more about expanding the story within the GTA IV universe rather than features, but it's good that there are new features added. To me GTA IV is still a fantastic game regardless of the features it doesn't have. I've always prefered quality over quantity, and that's exactly what GTA IV is. When people say that all of these features should've been added to GTA IV to begin with they do have a point, but then again what's the point in making sequels? Why didn't R* spend an extra 2-3 years on GTA III, or VC, and added everything that they put into SA into one of those games? Anyway TBGOT looks to be goods. I haven't played TLAD yet either so I'm really looking forward to playing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John The Grudge Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 I think GTA IV is one of the best games ever made. This expansion looks like it will make it even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwelshmorris5 Posted October 28, 2009 Author Share Posted October 28, 2009 Thank you to everyone who replied to my topic. only judgement that can be made is watching videos on youtube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hove_Beach Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 (edited) There is actually way more features in IV than SA. Try playing the game for more than an hour before reviewing it. I'll make a thread one of these days showing all the feature comparisons. Gamespot and IGN (and many more reviewers) gave GTA IV a rating of 10/10. 'NUFF. SAID. are you crazy ? Il start your list with weapons - look at the differnce in weapons and weapon sets between the two. http://www.thegtaplace.com/sanandreas/weapons.php San andreas 1 - GTA 4 - 0 I bet if you compare the vehicles it will be similar story. Edited October 28, 2009 by Hove_Beach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Profesh Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 There is actually way more features in IV than SA. Try playing the game for more than an hour before reviewing it. I'll make a thread one of these days showing all the feature comparisons. Gamespot and IGN (and many more reviewers) gave GTA IV a rating of 10/10. 'NUFF. SAID. are you crazy ? Il start your list with weapons - look at the differnce in weapons and weapon sets between the two. http://www.thegtaplace.com/sanandreas/weapons.php San andreas 1 - GTA 4 - 0 I bet if you compare the vehicles it will be similar story. Quality > quantity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsta312 Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 There is actually way more features in IV than SA. Try playing the game for more than an hour before reviewing it. I'll make a thread one of these days showing all the feature comparisons. Gamespot and IGN (and many more reviewers) gave GTA IV a rating of 10/10. 'NUFF. SAID. are you crazy ? Il start your list with weapons - look at the differnce in weapons and weapon sets between the two. http://www.thegtaplace.com/sanandreas/weapons.php San andreas 1 - GTA 4 - 0 I bet if you compare the vehicles it will be similar story. Quality > quantity. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knife Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Quality > quantity. Sure but GTA San Andreas was just as high quality as GTA IV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bauer Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 There is actually way more features in IV than SA. Try playing the game for more than an hour before reviewing it. I'll make a thread one of these days showing all the feature comparisons. Gamespot and IGN (and many more reviewers) gave GTA IV a rating of 10/10. 'NUFF. SAID. are you crazy ? Il start your list with weapons - look at the differnce in weapons and weapon sets between the two. http://www.thegtaplace.com/sanandreas/weapons.php San andreas 1 - GTA 4 - 0 I bet if you compare the vehicles it will be similar story. Quality > quantity. San Andreas has pretty much all the weapons that GTAIV has. GTAIV does not have all of the weapons that San Andreas has. Less content, less features. So, Hove_Beach is right. LCStuntman, you state you can prove that GTAIV has more features than San Andreas. I say go for it, because I don't believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAndy Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 This is basically like a remake of gta SA, Smaller Hunter (Buzzard) Parachute SWAT APC (not a tank the thing on top does like the damage of the AA-12) Other things that are added that werent in SA, Club management, dancing, champain drinking contest, and more mini's but nobody is going to going to walk around like a wanabe gangster anymore oh and theres no planes D: I agree. We're basically paying for things we had just 5 years ago on an INFERIOR console, this whole DLC thing, IMO, is bullsh*t. Why couldn't we just have all this when IV came out? They could've built and expanded on the San Andreas idea of excess and still made it realistic. I see no reason other than money, GTA: San Andreas with updated graphics ain't worth $100 bucks. They would've had to delay the game for at least another year. Rockstar's said before several times in interviews that they put so much of their time and resources into making a more realistic city, with realistic physics that they didn't have time or resources left over to put in all of the stuff that was in San Andreas in IV. They aren't yanking us around man. Honestly what difference does it make if there's television and Internet in a game? I want to be able to customize my cars, I want to be able to have more guns... we shouldn't have to pay more for stuff that should've been included in the first place. I don't think people would mind not having gas stations if there were more missions and cars. The whole realistic city thing is so goddamn far fetched and so irrelevant. You can drive and listen to music, but what else can you do? How much fun is it going to a KFC and eating chicken? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satchboogie Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Quality > quantity. Sure but GTA San Andreas was just as high quality as GTA IV. In detail, absolutely NOT. It might be fun driving trains and stuff, but can you honestly say a firefight in SA is anywhere near as good as a a firefight in IV? Of course you can't. The physics engine, explosives, car damage, and detail are insane! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAndy Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 I, too, am disappointed in the direction R* is going in and how blindly people follow them. The company is looked upon more favorably because they apparently cater to fans... the gaming industry is really getting ruined by 14-17 year olds who eat up anything when they don't have to pay for it and who get excited for driving a Dodge Charger in a game. The whole notion of DLC is just corrupt but particularly when R* makes you pay $40 to complete the story that should've been completed in the actual game. The fact that there were only 2 guns per slot in GTA IV and the fact that it was only 30 hours long... it should've been more epic. But they got greedy and people don't mind supporting that. How long until GTA is only 10 hours and you have to pay for more content? When Max Payne 3 comes out, will you have to download more story? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookPassBabtridge Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 (edited) Quality > quantity. Sure but GTA San Andreas was just as high quality as GTA IV. Exactly. Young newcomers to IV dont realise that SA was really pushing the PS2 tech wise, and it was the ultimate GTA for its time. The feature list was double that of IV and the DLC put together Totally agree with ChrisAndy too, R* is getting very complacent, and its through underage players lapping it all up that it carries on. We are about to leave Liberty City without even scratching the surface of what could have been done Edited October 28, 2009 by CookPassBabtridge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satchboogie Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Quality > quantity. Sure but GTA San Andreas was just as high quality as GTA IV. Exactly. Young newcomers to IV dont realise that SA was really pushing the PS2 tech wise, and it was the ultimate GTA for its time. The feature list was double that of IV and the DLC put together Totally agree with ChrisAndy too, R* is getting very complacent, and its through underage players lapping it all up that it carries on. We are about to leave Liberty City without even scratching the surface of what could have been done The REASON R* was able to push the boundaries of the PS2 with San Andreas are 1. Because the PS2 capability is quite limited when compared to Next-Gen, they spent years programing games for PS2 (2 GTA titles before SA + the overhead GTAs). 2. The game platform (physics, etc) was pretty much the same from GTA 3 to San Andreas. They were able to add so many features because they had 2 full games to work off of. With GTA IV they had to start EVERYTHING from scratch. The platform and physics engine are completely different (and vastly superior and more complicated), thus they had to do everything ground up. Everything is also more complicated. They can't simply make generic animations anymore, now they have to have real-time reactions to the physics engine. The correct comparison to GTA IV is GTA III. With GTA III, they had to start from scratch. After GTA III, they had the platform to EXPAND and create Vice City and San Andreas. They didn't need to start from scratch on those games, they were an expansion on the previous titles. GTA IV comes into next-gen territory and they have to start from scratch, just as they did with III. THUS, I'm sure the next GTA will have more features and such, because they have IV to expand on and work off of. I know I repeated myself, but sometimes you have to repeat yourself to get your point across. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaunr Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 no. i don't think anyones answer should be yes either, unless you hate fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel311 Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Quality > quantity. Sure but GTA San Andreas was just as high quality as GTA IV. Exactly. Young newcomers to IV dont realise that SA was really pushing the PS2 tech wise, and it was the ultimate GTA for its time. The feature list was double that of IV and the DLC put together Totally agree with ChrisAndy too, R* is getting very complacent, and its through underage players lapping it all up that it carries on. We are about to leave Liberty City without even scratching the surface of what could have been done I gotta say though, GTA IV is leaps and bounds ahead of SA in physics. It is such a blast driving down the sidewalk and hitting people with your car. I do agree with you as far as DLC goes. It's all about money. And as far as single player mission time, i think i played 36-40 hours to complete it. How long did it take to go through the missions in past GTA's? Are they staying true to form or actually decreasing the amount of story mode time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookPassBabtridge Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 (edited) Scatch: I do recognise your point, and its true that IV was a ground-up design. But, it also had the DLCs planned alongside it from the start, and features were tactically spread across the 3 releases. TLAD is now practically a non entity, and I expect IV will follow suit. R* know full well TBOGT has the style and features that players really want, and theyve exploited it to the max. Its all about the quality of the game design, from the start. Graphics and physics are handled by designated teams, and its up to the designers to come up with new play mechanics. So far, its all been rehashes. Diesel, totally, the new physics are leaps ahead of IV. But it had to be, just like every other game in this latest generation. I think despite the shiny new graphics etc, IV faded off quickly for replay. And by that I mean true replay, not, as some will try and say, admiring the physics or the buildings. Edited October 28, 2009 by CookPassBabtridge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel311 Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Agreed on replaying single player. I played through twice. I do think the story was far more compelling than SA, and on top of that, Johnny's stary was equally compelling. It has been awhile since i played past GTA's, does anyone know how many hours it took to finish the story modes of III, VC and SA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cilogy Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Agreed on replaying single player. I played through twice. I do think the story was far more compelling than SA, and on top of that, Johnny's stary was equally compelling. It has been awhile since i played past GTA's, does anyone know how many hours it took to finish the story modes of III, VC and SA? I finished III on a PS2 as well as a PC, it took me about 20 hours. VC was probably about 30 - 40 hours. San Andreas was over 100 hours long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coral_City Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Agreed on replaying single player. I played through twice. I do think the story was far more compelling than SA, and on top of that, Johnny's stary was equally compelling. It has been awhile since i played past GTA's, does anyone know how many hours it took to finish the story modes of III, VC and SA? GTA III: Probably 20 hours GTA VC: Probably the same as III GTA SA: 100 Hours Flat (100%+Plain Ol' f*ckin' Around) GTA IV: ...I haven't checked in a while... but the story did take 20-30 hours to complete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCstuntman Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 are you crazy ? Il start your list with weapons - look at the differnce in weapons and weapon sets between the two. http://www.thegtaplace.com/sanandreas/weapons.php San andreas 1 - GTA 4 - 0 So now we're just comparing weapons? Well, OK then: Where IV beats SA: Cover System Improved Auto-Aim - 'Tweak' the aim a little while in auto-aim to aim at different places on body (such as head) Full weapon aim while in vehicle (Not just shoot straight left or right) Drop grenades out of vehicles Where SA beats IV:More weaponsI believe the score is now: San Andreas - 1 GTA IV - 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Profesh Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Quality > quantity. Sure but GTA San Andreas was just as high quality as GTA IV. No, it wasn't. The combat-mechanics of San Andreas, while enjoyable, are laughably crude and simplistic compared with those of GTA 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bauer Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 You guys could go back and forth forever, but LCstuntman, you said you would make a topic proving that comparing SA to GTAIV, GTAIV has more features. So instead of quoting each other into oblivion, LCstuntman can get working on the comprehensive features comparison. Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCstuntman Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 (edited) You guys could go back and forth forever, but LCstuntman, you said you would make a topic proving that comparing SA to GTAIV, GTAIV has more features. So instead of quoting each other into oblivion, LCstuntman can get working on the comprehensive features comparison. Right? I'm working on it. I'm gonna pretty it up too, when its done. I'm thinking about posting all the things I can think of, then have people tell me if I missed any. If so, I'll happily add them. Sound good? I wont have time to work on it until after the weekend though (TBOGT, of course), so don't expect anything right away. EDIT: Until then, I think this should be locked. Its becoming just another IV vs. SA thread, Even though its in the TBOGT section... Edited October 29, 2009 by LCstuntman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookPassBabtridge Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 You dont need to waste time making a list of features, anyone who has played SA all the way through knows there is a ton more things to do. And making technical comparisons is pointless because theyre from different eras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookPassBabtridge Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Sorry for the double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCstuntman Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 anyone who has played SA all the way through knows there is a ton more things to do. Like what? Just tanks and planes? Exactly why we need this - we can link to it from other threads, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a3HeadedMonkey Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 A topic like that would go on forever in endless debate. Let's just all agree that GTA IV is better. I can say that because I'm is the GTA IV forum. You can say SA was better over at the SA forums just the same. No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookPassBabtridge Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 anyone who has played SA all the way through knows there is a ton more things to do. Like what? Just tanks and planes? Exactly why we need this - we can link to it from other threads, etc. No not just 'insert feature here'. Like I said, if youve played through SA you will know the sheer scale of the game. If you want to make a whole comparison topic you probably dont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainland Marauder Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Let's not get into a IV vs. SA argument in here, OK? Both are great games in their own right, and this is a section for the new DLC, The Ballad of Gay Tony. "You tell me exactly what you want, and I'll explain to you very carefully why it cannot be." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCstuntman Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 (edited) Like I said, if youve played through SA you will know the sheer scale of the game. If you want to make a whole comparison topic you probably dont. I played through SA and liked it, but IV is just better. So stop acting like you know everything. EDIT: sh*t, just saw M&M's post. Edited October 29, 2009 by LCstuntman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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