The Official Ballad of Gay Tony Theory Thread

[Moss27]

Does anyone think that any of the 3 main characters from GTA IV or other significant characters will die in the end?

 

The loose ends at this point seem to be:

 

Niko, Gerry, and Packie worked together to kidnap Gracie Ancelotti which would give Luis a motive to go after any of the 3 of them. We didn't really see Tony or Luis get any revenge for the kidnapping as far as I remember.

 

Johnny and the Lost robbed Gay Tony and Luis of the diamonds, and killed Gay Tony's boyfriend.

 

 

It would be cool if Luis had to break into the prison and kill Gerry after Johnny blows off the front door and goes after Billy in TLAD.

 

But he definitely has a motive to go after Niko and Johnny because he knows they screwed him. Johnny had no idea that Niko killed Jason and Jim, and Niko had no idea that Johnny kidnapped Roman so they seem to be on the same page. But would Rockstar do such a thing? They always seem to pull off things that we don't think they would do so you never know..

 

 

[OGLuke]

I doubt R* would make us go back to the prison to kill gerry or someone else when the setting has alreasy been used once.

 

Speaking of which was very intense! That mission is one of my top10favs.

[John The Grudge]

 

I doubt R* would make us go back to the prison to kill gerry or someone else when the setting has alreasy been used once.

 

Speaking of which was very intense! That mission is one of my top10favs.

Maybe Luis breaks Gerry out, using one of the Laundry vans as a gettaway car (there were a few parked at the prison during the aforementioned TLAD mission). Given his appearance during the 'Three Leaf Clover' mission, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Luis and Gerry are connected somehow.

[MC.]

Maybe the deserted trains at the Algonquin Bridge in the mission, No Way On The Subway has something to do with that mission in GTA: The Ballad Of Gay Tony where you have to hijack the train or something.

 

Also, I wonder if Luis will kidnap anyone. Niko kidnaps Gracie, Johnny kidnaps Roman, do you think Luis will kidnap someone? Maybe someone from The Lost such as Ashley or Jim.

Edited September 26, 2009 by MC_320

[JOSEPH X]

I doubt R* would make us go back to the prison to kill gerry or someone else when the setting has alreasy been used once.

 

Speaking of which was very intense! That mission is one of my top10favs.

Maybe Luis breaks Gerry out, using one of the Laundry vans as a gettaway car (there were a few parked at the prison during the aforementioned TLAD mission). Given his appearance during the 'Three Leaf Clover' mission, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Luis and Gerry are connected somehow.

The whole `McReary`s and the diamonds theory` is something I`ve been banging on about since the game was announced. Packie`s opening line in the cutscene before Waste Not Want Knots - "So the plan was, they were gonna hide the diamonds in the queens ass" to which Gordon and Michael LOL. I seem to be the only one who thinks the `queen` is Gay Tony tho. WNWK is also a hit on the Ancelottis, who are a Lower Algonquin crime family.

 

As for Gerry, his LCPD database entry has him working for a Lower Algonquin crime family before switching allegiance to Alderney (Pegorino) he seems to have beef with GT`s associates that caused him to become muscle for The Peg. Also, listen to his hint - right at the end of the opening cutscene to Diamonds are a girl`s best friend - that Bulgarin will hit the hand-over, "Something else has come up"

 

With all the Yusuf and Frickie info that`s been released, the crossover aspect of the story has been pushed under the carpet. I can see the McReary`s being in this big time, and not just Three Leaf Clover.

 

 

[MitchJ90]

You aren't the only one at all. It is very possible they are connected to BOGT some how.

[JOSEPH X]

I just handed Gracie over to Gordon Sergeant, he says "Her old man is loaded with cash, and he pissed off Gerald". There is no explanation of this feud in IV I can find or think of.

[OGLuke]

I been looking at possible mission locations

 

I've come up with a few that stick out like a sore asshole.

 

The glass TVstation in east holland

The Underground parking lot in lancaster(Going deep mission)

The Art Gallery in algonquin

Carnival in hovebeach

Dwayne's building in northwood

The meathouse in the meat quarter

U.L papers office

LC community HQ

Empire state building

The movie theatre in east holland

Edited September 28, 2009 by mr. libs

[Le Rusecue]

Well, I have a few theories about this game. In TLAD, Ashley and Jim are kidnapped, and we know the kidnapper isn't Niko, so, Luis probably kidnaps them(Ashley is almost for sure, since the guys there are probably Northwood Dominican Drug Dealers). Now, about the connection between Luis and Gerry, Honestly, I think there is one. Because, judging from the trailers, Luis is a tough guy, but, in Three Leaf Clover, he didn't even attempt to take down the others, which makes me think Gerry told him to go there earlier, maybe to make sure no cops are around, or to get any money Niko and Packie couldn't get. With the weapon's Dealer, I think at first it's going to me Armando(Since he has been announced) But, later on, when Luis starts working for Yusuf, then Frickie becomes his gun dealer.

 

Now, I think the game opens up sorta like a movie, with Luis in his black suit, walking out of Hercules after a hard night's work, in his black suit. Then, the scene switches to him at one of the fight clubs, beating someone up. After that, he goes over to the NDDD hideout, and hangs out with a few of them. That's really just to show how his day to day life goes. And then he goes home to his mother, who he talks to.

 

Also, here are my theories for the endings. One ending, the NDDD tell you yo kill Giovanni Ancelotti. So, you do that, but in the process of doing that, you end up killing Gay Tony and Giovanni. Later, Gracie has what's left of the Ancelotties(Maybe a few of the albanians) attack you and the NDDD, killing Oscar and Willy. So, Armando and Henriqueand a few others attack the Ancelotties, and it ends with you killing Gracie.

The other ending, the Ancelotties have you kill Willy Valerio. You, and a few Albanians/Ancelotties go and attack the NDDD, killing Willy, Henrique, and Armando. Later, there is a party at the reopened Massionette 9, with Gracie and Gay Tony talking to Luis, when his mother comes to him, and says she's proud of what he's made himself. That's when Oscar and a few other NDDD come in, and shoot at Luis, killing his mother. The final mission for this one is a huge shootout at Massionette 9.

 

Anyway, this is just a theory. I'll probably come back and work on it. Right now I'm trying to think of what I can do for Bulgarin.

[Slomojoe]

Now, about the connection between Luis and Gerry, Honestly, I think there is one. Because, judging from the trailers, Luis is a tough guy, but, in Three Leaf Clover, he didn't even attempt to take down the others, which makes me think Gerry told him to go there earlier, maybe to make sure no cops are around, or to get any money Niko and Packie couldn't get.

 

Maybe that's because they all had guns and he didn't.

[Slomojoe]

Does anyone think that any of the 3 main characters from GTA IV or other significant characters will die in the end?

 

The loose ends at this point seem to be:

 

Niko, Gerry, and Packie worked together to kidnap Gracie Ancelotti which would give Luis a motive to go after any of the 3 of them. We didn't really see Tony or Luis get any revenge for the kidnapping as far as I remember.

 

Johnny and the Lost robbed Gay Tony and Luis of the diamonds, and killed Gay Tony's boyfriend.

 

 

It would be cool if Luis had to break into the prison and kill Gerry after Johnny blows off the front door and goes after Billy in TLAD.

 

But he definitely has a motive to go after Niko and Johnny because he knows they screwed him. Johnny had no idea that Niko killed Jason and Jim, and Niko had no idea that Johnny kidnapped Roman so they seem to be on the same page. But would Rockstar do such a thing? They always seem to pull off things that we don't think they would do so you never know..

none of the protagonists will die. If we didn't die when we played as them, then we won't see them dead in TBOGT

[Le Rusecue]

Now, about the connection between Luis and Gerry, Honestly, I think there is one. Because, judging from the trailers, Luis is a tough guy, but, in Three Leaf Clover, he didn't even attempt to take down the others, which makes me think Gerry told him to go there earlier, maybe to make sure no cops are around, or to get any money Niko and Packie couldn't get.

 

Maybe that's because they all had guns and he didn't.

Didn't think about that one.

[OGLuke]

I'm woundering since (noose) is getting an upgrade, will this mean we have to kill the liberty city noose commander or will they just get in the way as usual?

 

Reason i think luis will have such a hard time with these homeland assholes, is because of all the trouble niko and johny have been making, such as the garage bombing and bankheist. With LC having no end to the nonstop violence they have no choice but to bring out the elite, which makes me seriously think we could be taking on a NOOSE commander or possibly even U.L paper.

 

And also don't you think it's time we find out why the hell FIB keeps sending out old guys to do there dirty work? That's what the young guys are for. Yet the old f*ckers in LC sure are in damn good shape lol.

 

OOO i just find something interesting!

 

I'm amazed by all the sh*t i'm still finding in LC, ex: the ingame clock tower down by the docks in broker.

 

Neways, i think i may have found the hockey owners buiding used for *Dropping In* Whilst flying around, i came across a building with a purple glow.

 

Interesting facts:

 

It has a helipad

A elevator on the roof

Is right across from the rotterdam tower

 

 

It's not that hard to find either, just look for the building behind the liberteen.

 

 

Edited October 4, 2009 by mr. libs

[OGLuke]

What do you think the intro mission (The Ballad) will be like?

 

A. A massive shoout with the mob at the opera

B. Protecting gay tony from assassins in bahama mamas

C. An introduction to the game mechanics

D. The Bank heist mission(played from luis view)

F. Other, if so explain.

 

 

[Cilogy]

I have a theory that Bulgarin is gay.

[sam33]

What do you think the intro mission (The Ballad) will be like?

 

A. A massive shoout with the mob at the opera

B. Protecting gay tony from assassins in bahama mamas

C. An introduction to the game mechanics

D. The Bank heist mission(played from luis view)

F. Other, if so explain.

Why the opera. I didnt know Liberty had an opera house.

[OGLuke]

 

I have a theory that Bulgarin is gay. 

Youre not alone man, i'm thinking the same thing.

 

I'm thinking that the final boss will turn out to be gay lol

 

bulgarin comes off as gay when he says all i care about is the money and dancing ? whatever bumf*cker

 

FVH, in one of his screenshots his stance looks kinda gay, but that could just be the way he stands

 

Gay tony, No shocker there! He's already out of the closet honeychild.

 

and sam33, i was thinking the opera might appear as a local because of the achievement maestro lol, silly huh?

 

Either way im expecting it to be a kickass way to start off BOGT.

[Cilogy]

I have a theory that Bulgarin is gay. 

Youre not alone man, i'm thinking the same thing.

 

I'm thinking that the final boss will turn out to be gay lol

 

bulgarin comes off as gay when he says all i care about is the money and dancing ? whatever bumf*cker

 

FVH, in one of his screenshots his stance looks kinda gay, but that could just be the way he stands

 

Gay tony, No shocker there! He's already out of the closet honeychild.

 

and sam33, i was thinking the opera might appear as a local because of the achievement maestro lol, silly huh?

 

Either way im expecting it to be a kickass way to start off BOGT.

To be completely honest with you I was joking around when I posted that, but now that I read your post I'm starting to genuinely believe in this theory. It would be really interesting to see Bulgarin as a gay character, or atleast have closeted feelings.

[Le Rusecue]

I think Bulgarin will be sort of like Dimitri, where you work for him, but then he betrays you. you know what, screw thinking, I know he will.

[Moss27]

Anyone see a possible connection between Playboy's gold Hummer and Yusif Amir? It seems like they are close when Niko starts working for Playboy..then at the end X is pissed at Amir because of his plans on the construction site.

 

Maybe Amir gives it to X...maybe X steals it. I know it's minor but it could be an interesting connection.

[kgrogfefji82]

Now, about the connection between Luis and Gerry, Honestly, I think there is one. Because, judging from the trailers, Luis is a tough guy, but, in Three Leaf Clover, he didn't even attempt to take down the others, which makes me think Gerry told him to go there earlier, maybe to make sure no cops are around, or to get any money Niko and Packie couldn't get.

 

Maybe that's because they all had guns and he didn't.

Didn't think about that one.

They always have guns, we will see the other side of that mission, and you guys really think we won't have guns when playing it? Well maybe not if it's the first mission, but he definitely has weapons on him.

 

I'm not saying this theory is correct because of this but he definitely has guns on him

[OGLuke]

Anyone see a possible connection between Playboy's gold Hummer and Yusif Amir? It seems like they are close when Niko starts working for Playboy..then at the end X is pissed at Amir because of his plans on the construction site.

 

Maybe Amir gives it to X...maybe X steals it. I know it's minor but it could be an interesting connection.

Read the yusuf amir trailer thread, and you'll see that this has already been discussed.

 

 

As for the luis robbery theory in the bank:

 

He's not there to rob the bank, cause when eugene reaper says he's going to take down all 3 robbers, Luis says "I don't think that's such a good idea holmes".

 

He was either there on behalf of making a withdrawl for gay tony, or running an errand for his Mrs. Lopez(his mom).

[JoshGTAfreak]

All u people must have way too much time on ur hands. i don't even know who half the people ur talking about are. plus what's the fun with working the game out before it's released. And plus it's obvious we will have to kill bulgarin. I mean we won't have another niko story, but bulgarin can't be left alive, because that would be a screwy ending, after all IV he is pretty much the reason dmitry wants to kill u, so he sets the whole story up.

[OGLuke]

 

All u people must have way too much time on ur hands. i don't even know who half the people ur talking about are. plus what's the fun with working the game out before it's released. And plus it's obvious we will have to kill bulgarin. I mean we won't have another niko story, but bulgarin can't be left alive, because that would be a screwy ending, after all IV he is pretty much the reason dmitry wants to kill u, so he sets the whole story up.

haha aint that the truth!

 

I have nothing but time on my hands, but i try not to come on here so much, but i can't stay away from the site man! What if i miss a new trailer, or R* reveals new info? I gotta fight the urge, this fourm is like bad medicine. taste like crap but i can't get enough it.

 

Bulgarin:

 

I agree with you, that bulgarin needs to be taken out.

 

 

But! R* knows that we know that we think bulgarin or even gay tony will be taken out.

 

R* we never expect us to think of taking out a guy like FVH or even giavonni ancelotti, cause we're hooked in to believing bulgarin will be the final badguy.

 

Now we all know that the last boss, will have something to do with the diamonds. Diamonds forever achievment explains that.

 

Now who's connected to those diamonds? To many to count, but who's diamonds did they originally belong to? Hmmm??? Any ideas?

 

All signs point to Frickie Van Hardenburg

 

Me and 6 other people http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=425930 LOL, (not that many) are convinced that FVH will be the final kill. The least likely to die in the final stand with luis.

 

Now look at that poll, and see how many people! think ray bulgarin or even gay tony prince, will be it? Pretty damn obvious choice huh?

 

I'm still going with my gut and saying that Frickie will be the one, and if i'm wrong.. then that makes it even more exciting! cause i would have never expected it.

 

No, i don't wanna know what happends, nobody wants to be spoiled! Most these theorys will be squashed and have nothing to do with bogt, but still it is fun to think about it yakno.

[gamefarter]

I've stated this before, but I will also put it here, as it is a prediction.

I think that we will end up owning Bahama Mamas and will also be responsible for getting Tonys clubs shut down, as he will screw us over, so we will get his clubs shut down to eliminate his clubs as competition, and because he will turn out to be a rat. At least the club name is one that would fit into Luis' Caribbean heritage. I also think we will start off doing the street fighting thing, and that is how we will get noticed by Tony and he will end up offering us a job as a bouncer because he sees how good a fighter Luis is. A real rags to riches story.

Just a guess, but that's how I see things playing out.

 

As far as people saying we will end up poor, or not have a happy ending because it is how the trend of GTA IV seems to be going in, I will say that this will be the case for Tony, but not Luis. So we will see the fall of a man who was once on top, as we rise to take his place.

[OGLuke]

I've stated this before, but I will also put it here, as it is a prediction.

I think that we will end up owning Bahama Mamas and will also be responsible for getting Tonys clubs shut down, as he will screw us over, so we will get his clubs shut down to eliminate his clubs as competition, and because he will turn out to be a rat. At least the club name is one that would fit into Luis' Caribbean heritage. I also think we will start off doing the street fighting thing, and that is how we will get noticed by Tony and he will end up offering us a job as a bouncer because he sees how good a fighter Luis is. A real rags to riches story.

Just a guess, but that's how I see things playing out.

 

As far as people saying we will end up poor, or not have a happy ending because it is how the trend of GTA IV seems to be going in, I will say that this will be the case for Tony, but not Luis. So we will see the fall of a man who was once on top, as we rise to take his place.

Not a bad idea, sounds like a good way to end bogt.

 

 

have a cookie

 

[fatginger118]

i think that one mission tony gets kidnapped because on the new trailer he shots that guy who sat next to the lady in red and jumps in the airoplane and in the meet tony prince video luis and tony are in a car at the airport driving off

 

but thats just what i think

Edited October 9, 2009 by fatginger118

[OGLuke]

 

i think that one mission tony gets kidnapped because on the new trailer he shots that guy who sat next to the lady in red and jumps in the airoplane and in the meet tony prince video luis and tony are in a car at the airport driving off

 

 

Your opinion matters here in this thread.

 

Again, not a bad theory, but who are you saying kidnaps Gay tony, the man and lady in the red dress lol?

 

 

[fatginger118]

i think that one mission tony gets kidnapped because on the new trailer he shots that guy who sat next to the lady in red and jumps in the airoplane and in the meet tony prince video luis and tony are in a car at the airport driving off

 

 

Your opinion matters here in this thread.

 

Again, not a bad theory, but who are you saying kidnaps Gay tony, the man and lady in the red dress lol?

nah i think the man is in with the kidnapping but i hae a wierd suspiscen that the bald guy in the gold and black traick suit is in with it aswell

[sam33]

I made a thread about it earlier but as I was saying...

The man sitting near the women in the red dress in the "time for more shots" scene looks almost identical to the mn with the AK who gets shot from the plane.