No GTA 4 music on the disk?

[FearTheLiving]

Yeah, I love JNR too. I'll be buying EFLC (due to my crappy connection) so I hope to God that this isn't true! It just wouldn't make any sense to remove the radio from IV when it's already there in the game files. It seems those that will be downloading BOGT off XBL are trying to justify the EFLC exclusive VCFM move to themselves by claiming that this rumour "makes sense". I completely sympathise with you and understand that you're being screwed over but that's just naive.

How is that naive? It makes perfect sense. If your buying EFLC you don't have GTA IV with them therefore why would they carry over? I'm not saying it's the best thing that happens and it still is a low blow but it makes more sense for the disk version not to have GTA IV music than it ever would for the DLC not to have VCFM.

[liquidus119]

None of this really makes sense at this point. They claim that DLC doesn't get VCFM because it would cost too much to license the music or something, yet your telling me that it doesn't cost too much to re-license every song in vanilla GTAIV onto EFLC?

 

Either way it doesn't make much sense for either DLE or disk to be missing any sort of music with the reasons they have given us. The fact is that VCFM is exclusive to EFLC because they needed to give some sort of incentive for people buy it when they already bought one or both DLE's. If you are upset over a single radio station with old 80's music being unavailable to you, then they have already achieved their goal of making you want EFLC.

 

On the other hand, if they take all of the music from GTAIV out of EFLC, then it's just screwing them over far more than the people who got the DLE. I doubt VCFM is going to be THAT good of a station considering it clashes with the very tone and atmosphere of Liberty City.

Edited October 23, 2009 by liquidus119

[JOSEPH X]

When rolling with The Lost in TLAD and you hit the B button, your view switches to a camera mounted on Clay`s bike. Apart from being the best gameplay mechanic in GTA IV, it`s also funny as f*ck because Clay is listening to JNR on his radio.

 

If this isn`t in EFLC, then it`s way more major than VCFM not being in BOGT. Plus, the episodes are taking place in the same time and gameworld as IV, having one version where Johnny can do Gang Wars to the sound of Massive B and one where he can`t is just plain broke.

 

If there`s no other way for R* to release EFLC without removing IV`s music, then it`s very tough luck for those without XBL and could only enjoy the episodes on disk - I really don`t think VCFM compensates for this.

[kevaxe2k2]

This sucks. I pretty much only listen to the Journey and JNR. Hate to lose those if I buy the disc. But I would like to get the 80s station! Why should we have to sacrifice one or the other?

[Znd]

To be fair, only four or five of the stations that could be completely wiped out even have stuff that most people like. I really doubt that the mass market (which it appears EFLC is targeting) are listening to Fusion, The Journey, The Classics or even JNR...

I'm sure that's true, but it's funny because those are some of my favorite stations.

 

 

[Chris P Waffle]

wow, i was kinda hoping u guys would say it was 100% fake.....

[gamefarter]

 

http://www.gta4.net/ballad-of-gay-tony/music.php

I'm gonna need a source from them as well on this. I am surprised that they would make such a shoddy claim without any reference to back up such a claim.

Here's the thing that you should know...

 

GTAforums is affiliated with gta4.net

 

PM adamcs (admin) to see if he knows about anything.

I know they are affiliated, but I still need some sort of source. Not a bad idea to PM the mod though, I think I will.

 

Done. Let's see what he has to say. I will post it here if I get a response.

Well I got a response from the mod on this, so I feel inclined to post what I found out since I said I would, and the mod said I could share the PM with the forums.

 

So, here is the response I received when asking about a source for the claim:

 

 

It's common sense really.    I didn't really think about it until someone mentioned it in a thread a few weeks ago. EFLC is a separate game, so they'd need to re-license every track if they wanted to include it on the Episodes disc. I don't see it as such a big deal anyway, The Lost and Damned had 60 new tracks, and Gay Tony will probably feature about the same - so that's 120 tracks + Vice City FM + three talk radio stations, which I think is plenty. I don't think any stations will disappear altogether.

 

So, there you have it. It is not really an official source, and you can either agree, or disagree with his logic.

[brazil201]

hes right you would have to Re License it which would make sense for the extra station then again it would be cool that if u downloaded TLAD and download tbogt u could get the station

[shinsta312]

Well I got a response from the mod on this, so I feel inclined to post what I found out since I said I would, and the mod said I could share the PM with the forums.

 

So, here is the response I received when asking about a source for the claim:

 

 

It's common sense really.    I didn't really think about it until someone mentioned it in a thread a few weeks ago. EFLC is a separate game, so they'd need to re-license every track if they wanted to include it on the Episodes disc. I don't see it as such a big deal anyway, The Lost and Damned had 60 new tracks, and Gay Tony will probably feature about the same - so that's 120 tracks + Vice City FM + three talk radio stations, which I think is plenty. I don't think any stations will disappear altogether.

 

So, there you have it. It is not really an official source, and you can either agree, or disagree with his logic.

In a way, it makes sense, but I'm still a little skeptical about it.

 

I'm pretty sure that it was Magic_Al that mentioned the whole licensing and royalty issue. I've heard him talking about it multiple times before.

[OGLuke]

I don't think a whole new station is worth the sacrafice of most the GTA4 stations and songs.

 

 

 

If there's no san juan sounds for luis to listen to, imo be a very upset fan.

[Magic_Al]

 

I'm pretty sure that it was Magic_Al that mentioned the whole licensing and royalty issue. I've heard him talking about it multiple times before.

I never put it out as anything but logical speculation. We've all read how litigious RIAA, ASCAP, and BMI are. It's hard to believe Rockstar could avoid paying like it's a separate game. Each song costs Rockstar $10,000, much more or less depending on the song, but let's say they'd have to pay $3-4 million to have all the GTV IV music and all the new music appear on a disc together. Seems like a problem. But, I never thought a news posting would state the scenario as fact without official confirmation.

[Chris P Waffle]

WHAT WILL I DO WITHOUT HEAVEN AND HELL?

[Trepsik]

so what i'm wondering is if just vice city fm is exclusive to the disc and all the other songs added to the preexisting radio stations will be available in both. cause if that cause it's dlc all the way. i could care less about vice city fm. i need my liberty rock with all the fixins as well as journey and fusion

[Chris P Waffle]

so what i'm wondering is if just vice city fm is exclusive to the disc and all the other songs added to the preexisting radio stations will be available in both. cause if that cause it's dlc all the way. i could care less about vice city fm. i need my liberty rock with all the fixins as well as journey and fusion

I want R* to confirm this first.

[Scarfe]

Who's to say Rockstar haven't relicenced the tracks. Just because they have to relicence them doesn't automatically mean they would just leave them out.

[papanesta]

I'm so confused now.

 

Surely if they had to re-license the tracks because EFLC is being counted as a different game, would the disk version of Lost and Damned not have like no music...?

[Saitan]

I'm so confused now.

 

Surely if they had to re-license the tracks because EFLC is being counted as a different game, would the disk version of Lost and Damned not have like no music...?

this is a perfect example of a mind-f*ck. I to am super confused.

[gamefarter]

I'm so confused now.

 

Surely if they had to re-license the tracks because EFLC is being counted as a different game, would the disk version of Lost and Damned not have like no music...?

There is no disc version of TLaD. It was download only. It will only arrive on disc as part of EFLC.

[papanesta]

I'm so confused now.

 

Surely if they had to re-license the tracks because EFLC is being counted as a different game, would the disk version of Lost and Damned not have like no music...?

There is no disc version of TLaD. It was download only. It will only arrive on disc as part of EFLC.

It's still a disk version of Lost and Damned isn't it, idiot?

[kevaxe2k2]

Jeez, I just want this straightened out.

 

I really hope it's not true. If so, it comes down to

 

1) lose my two fave stations (Journey and JNR--the only two I listen to, actually--sometimes Broker), pay $20 more, but get Vice City Radio)

 

2) Pay $20 less, have my fave music, but lose out on Vice City Radio.

 

 

Problem is, I think either way is REALLY gonna bother me. It sucks we may have to chose.

[Cilogy]

Quote from TBOGT music page on our site:

 

to compensate for the absence of Grand Theft Auto IV's music (each track would have to be re-licensed in order for it to be included on the EFLC disc).

 

I think that's just pure guessing. Whoever wrote it must have thinking "VCFM is gonna be on EFLC but not the downloadable content, therefore it must be because of relicensing issues." Well that's bullsh*t, not because I don't believe it, but because it sounds like speculation and there is no proof of these 'relicensing issues.'

 

I don't know who wrote it (maybe adamcs?) but they need to be informed. I would do it myself but I don't know how many other have done the same.

[Slomojoe]

let's keep in mind that this hasn't been confirmed by Rockstar yet, so chill out

[papanesta]

I'll ask in the staff room, might get a response.

[Cilogy]

let's keep in mind that this hasn't been confirmed by Rockstar yet, so chill out

Yeah I know, my point is that our own mods and admins are giving us false info.

[papanesta]

I've asked, so don't accuse anybody of giving false information yet, thank you.

[gamefarter]

 

I'm so confused now.

 

Surely if they had to re-license the tracks because EFLC is being counted as a different game, would the disk version of Lost and Damned not have like no music...?

There is no disc version of TLaD. It was download only. It will only arrive on disc as part of EFLC.

It's still a disk version of Lost and Damned isn't it, idiot?

So, you want to be like that ehh? If you read what I had to say, you would clearly understand that I meant TLaD that is out now, is not on disk, but it will be on disk when it it is part of EFLC. That being said...again, why would you think there would be no music in TLaD if you were refering to it as part of EFLC? Surely it would have at least most of the music TBoGT has, except for maybe the VC FM station. But to answer your question succinctly, because you are such a tool and a troll, TLaTD will "not have like no music". Idiot.

 

Oh yeah, if you cared to read the whole thread, you would have seen this in page 2:

 

 

QUOTE (gamefarter @ Oct 23 2009, 00:12)

QUOTE (shinsta312 @ Oct 23 2009, 00:01)

QUOTE (gamefarter @ Oct 22 2009, 17:49)

QUOTE (Chris P Waffle @ Oct 22 2009, 23:46)

http://www.gta4.net/ballad-of-gay-tony/music.php

 

I'm gonna need a source from them as well on this. I am surprised that they would make such a shoddy claim without any reference to back up such a claim.

 

Here's the thing that you should know...

 

GTAforums is affiliated with gta4.net

 

PM adamcs (admin) to see if he knows about anything.

 

I know they are affiliated, but I still need some sort of source. Not a bad idea to PM the mod though, I think I will. cookie.gif

 

Done. Let's see what he has to say. I will post it here if I get a response.

 

Well I got a response from the mod on this, so I feel inclined to post what I found out since I said I would, and the mod said I could share the PM with the forums.

 

So, here is the response I received when asking about a source for the claim:

 

QUOTE

It's common sense really.  tounge2.gif  I didn't really think about it until someone mentioned it in a thread a few weeks ago. EFLC is a separate game, so they'd need to re-license every track if they wanted to include it on the Episodes disc. I don't see it as such a big deal anyway, The Lost and Damned had 60 new tracks, and Gay Tony will probably feature about the same - so that's 120 tracks + Vice City FM + three talk radio stations, which I think is plenty. I don't think any stations will disappear altogether.

 

 

So, there you have it. It is not really an official source, and you can either agree, or disagree with his logic.

 

 

And not waste the mods time by asking the same question again, and accusing others that they are not correct in saying that the mods are giving us incorrect (unsubstantiated) info. All we have is speculation at this point. Looser

Edited October 26, 2009 by gamefarter

[Insane Kane]

you all will still be going at it for 3 more days, why not just wait till the disk comes out and you will find out lol

 

patients people

[kevaxe2k2]

you all will still be going at it for 3 more days, why not just wait till the disk comes out and you will find out lol

 

patients people

Because this may influence rather we get it on disc or DLC--and we would like to make that decision before it comes out, obviously

[Cilogy]

you all will still be going at it for 3 more days, why not just wait till the disk comes out and you will find out lol

 

patients people

Patients? Where?

 

I just want to make sure the admins don't bullsh*t us anymore if what they said turns out to be false.

[Machida]

So, you want to be like that ehh? If you read what I had to say, you would clearly understand that I meant TLaD that is out now, is not on disk, but it will be on disk when it it is part of EFLC. That being said...again, why would you think there would be no music in TLaD if you were refering to it as part of EFLC? Surely it would have at least most of the music TBoGT has, except for maybe the VC FM station. But to answer your question succinctly, because you are such a tool and a troll, TLaTD will "not have like no music". Idiot.

 

..............

 

And not waste the mods time by asking the same question again, and accusing others that they are not correct in saying that the mods are giving us incorrect (unsubstantiated) info. All we have is speculation at this point. Looser

I believe this the was question you were attempting to answer.

 

"Surely if they had to re-license the tracks because EFLC is being counted as a different game, would the disk version of Lost and Damned not have like no music...?"

 

Now, the important phrase to note here is "would". Would. And the meaning? Well we'll get to the meaning later. However firstly, here's your response.

 

"There is no disc version of TLaD. It was download only. It will only arrive on disc as part of EFLC."

 

Ok. Now the meaning of the word would. Now it's a fairly generic term. You'd likely learn it's meaning in any basic pre-school, yet just incase you missed it, and hey you may have been sick that day so no one's judging here. However just to help, I've highlighted the appropriate delineations.

 

Would.

Past tense of will

1. Used to express desire or intent: She said she would meet us at the corner.

2. Used to express a wish: Would that we had gone with you!

3. Used after a statement of desire, request, or advice: I wish you would stay.

4. Used to make a polite request: Would you go with me?

5. Used in the main clause of a conditional statement to express a possibility or likelihood: If I had enough money, I would buy a car. We would have gone to the beach, had the weather been good. See Usage Note at if.

6. Used to express presumption or expectation: That would be Steve at the door.

7. Used to indicate uncertainty: He would seem to be getting better.

8. Used to express repeated or habitual action in the past: Every morning we would walk in the garden

 

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/would

 

Now that we've learnt the meaning of the word would, lets go over the question once more.

 

"Surely if they had to re-license the tracks because EFLC is being counted as a different game, would the disk version of Lost and Damned not have like no music...?"

 

As you can clearly see the above statement does not acknowledge the existence of a current disk version of the Lost and Damned. It does however hypothesize over the future existence of a disk copy of the Lost and Damned. It asks, "would the disk version of Lost and Damned".

 

And once again your answer,

 

"There is no disc version of TLaD. It was download only."

 

As you can clearly see, your answer is already contained, (Ha) at an abecedarian level none the less, within the exact same question you were attempting to answer. Much as one would reply "It's not tomorrow" when posed by the question, "What day is tomorrow?". A mu har har, the work of a cretin, or perhaps an idiot? Would you not agree?

 

However to answer the original question.

 

Pap, I believe the new tracks that were included in the Lost and Damned are already licensed for disc. You knaw, that being the 60 or so songs that were new inclusions to the DLC. It just seems to be the songs which were used in IV that are going to be the problemo.

 

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