TheShogunOfHarlem Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 I, like many of you were exited upon hearing about the inclusion of the APC. My one question/concern is how destructable will it be in the game? Personally, I hope that it is capable of of taking a reasonable amount of damage. In previous GTA titles, I have found Tank/APC implementation to be unacceptable. In GTA VC, the Rhino was too impervious and in SA it was too vulnerable. Idealistically, I would prefer a spot damage system that would allow armor penetration on weak spots and taking out tires/treads. (all done with the RPG or sticky bombs) Side Note: Is it me or is the RPG-7 the most overused anti-tank shoulder fired weapon in video games? I'm hoping that eventually Video game developers start using more effective RPGs such as the RPG-27 or the 29. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/429399-is-the-tank-indestructable/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Andrew Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Though I doubt they would implement a "spot damage system" for the APC (since it obviously doesn't have as much armor as a tank), it would be nice. Hits to the side (from RPGs, grenades, sticky bombs, etc) would do more damage than hits to the front, and hits to the back would do more damage than hits to the side. So if something like that were implemented, how many hits to the back would it take to destroy the APC? Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/429399-is-the-tank-indestructable/#findComment-1059558178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CryptReaperDorian Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 As from what I've seen, the Police Stockade/Enforcer/Securicar in GTA IV was able to take a grenade to the back of it a lot of times (not a RPG grenade I'm sure). While it would take 12 Combat Shotgun rounds to start the Annihilator ablaze, it takes 20 Combat Shotgun rounds (I've tested and it also takes 45 sniper rounds) to start the Police Stockade/Enforcer/Securicar ablaze. I'm guessing R* will keep it simple and have most damage based on where the engine is. I can assure that the N.O.O.S.E. APC will probably be able to get hit by a RPG-7 grenade and survive as it seems it is still going to be a lot stronger than any other vehicles we already have in GTA IV, TLAD, and TBOGT. Who knows? The APC may be twice as powerful as the Police Stockade/Enforcer/Securicar. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/429399-is-the-tank-indestructable/#findComment-1059558181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
agincourtsalute Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 A few RPG rounds or half a dozen grenades should do it. But if you've got a bunch them on your arse then you probably won't have enough firepower to fight them anyway. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/429399-is-the-tank-indestructable/#findComment-1059558187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShogunOfHarlem Posted October 13, 2009 Author Share Posted October 13, 2009 Though I doubt they would implement a "spot damage system" for the APC (since it obviously doesn't have as much armor as a tank), it would be nice. Hits to the side (from RPGs, grenades, sticky bombs, etc) would do more damage than hits to the front, and hits to the back would do more damage than hits to the side. So if something like that were implemented, how many hits to the back would it take to destroy the APC? I do too. I at least hope that disabling the APC with a sticky bomb or RPG to the weels is a option. Or in Multiplayer, setting up a booby trap IED for anybody who is a APC hog. I suppose that it would depend on the type of RPG or any other shoulder fired weapon (or explosive charge) you are using. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/429399-is-the-tank-indestructable/#findComment-1059558207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Zone Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Perhaps there's an 'anti-tank' missle shooter, or something, that is the 'HEAVY WEAPON' of BOGT and it hasn't been announced or hinted toward yet? Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/429399-is-the-tank-indestructable/#findComment-1059558227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dvt-MedShot Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Perhaps there's an 'anti-tank' missle shooter, or something, that is the 'HEAVY WEAPON' of BOGT and it hasn't been announced or hinted toward yet? Maybe the AA-12 can do it? Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/429399-is-the-tank-indestructable/#findComment-1059558231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShogunOfHarlem Posted October 13, 2009 Author Share Posted October 13, 2009 Perhaps there's an 'anti-tank' missle shooter, or something, that is the 'HEAVY WEAPON' of BOGT and it hasn't been announced or hinted toward yet? Maybe the AA-12 can do it? If APC damage is as close to realism as R* can get then most small arms fire won't do the trick. The AA-12 would hardly be be an Anti-armor weapon even with explosive ammo. The RPG is still the best choice. (or maybe the buzzard with it's anti-personel rockets) Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/429399-is-the-tank-indestructable/#findComment-1059558264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
aChaChaCha Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Perhaps there's an 'anti-tank' missle shooter, or something, that is the 'HEAVY WEAPON' of BOGT and it hasn't been announced or hinted toward yet? Maybe the AA-12 can do it? If APC damage is as close to realism as R* can get then most small arms fire won't do the trick. The AA-12 would hardly be be an Anti-armor weapon even with explosive ammo. The RPG is still the best choice. (or maybe the buzzard with it's anti-personel rockets) A whole belt of satchel charges around the APC would surely do some serious damage too i'll bet Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/429399-is-the-tank-indestructable/#findComment-1059558382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionist Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Realistically APC s are surprisingly vulnerable. One RPG hit and they're toast. Obviously for the purposes of the game R* need to make the APC stronger than that... Most APC's front armor is no more than 8-12mm thick. Side armor weaker still. They're built for speed. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/429399-is-the-tank-indestructable/#findComment-1059558390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DELETEDUSER Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Kill it with fire!! Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/429399-is-the-tank-indestructable/#findComment-1059558536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insane Kane Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 im just hoping the tires cant be popped that would really suck making it not so destructable sliding all over the road Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/429399-is-the-tank-indestructable/#findComment-1059558736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derelict Frog Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Having spot-damage may be a bit too complicated if more realistic. In GTA IV the Tug blew up after 2 rockets, which as far as I know is the strongest vehicle in the game. I reckon this APC could take 3 rockets and maybe 2-3 sticky-bombs. 5 grenades would be reasonable. EDIT: How bloody awesome would a GTA race with the APCs be? Off the line: Boom boom boom boom. Only one person would make it a lap Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/429399-is-the-tank-indestructable/#findComment-1059558959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
agincourtsalute Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 How bloody awesome would a GTA race with the APCs be? Off the line: Boom boom boom boom. Only one person would make it a lap "thats how we roll", "we're winners hommie". Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/429399-is-the-tank-indestructable/#findComment-1059558987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidus119 Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Edit: Sorry, read that wrong man. I think the APC should be about the same as the Rhino in San Andreas. You are right about it being dumbed way the hell down from Vice City, but at the same time I feel it was at a level that an APC would be... Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/429399-is-the-tank-indestructable/#findComment-1059558990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus. Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 i think it would be badass if it was a do the tires or take out the driver is your only choice Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/429399-is-the-tank-indestructable/#findComment-1059559011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guns N R0se Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 I'm hoping same armor and enforcer but faster and more agile. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/429399-is-the-tank-indestructable/#findComment-1059559159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_south_park_kid Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 This is my question how are the cops gonna take u down when they dont have and explosives all they really have is pistol, m4, smg, combat shotgun. Or did rockstar allow cops to have more weapons and explosives. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/429399-is-the-tank-indestructable/#findComment-1059559218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guns N R0se Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 This is my question how are the cops gonna take u down when they dont have and explosives all they really have is pistol, m4, smg, combat shotgun. Or did rockstar allow cops to have more weapons and explosives. Cops can't stop an enforcer very easily either though. But it's balanced because it's a pain to get. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/429399-is-the-tank-indestructable/#findComment-1059559228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.2D Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Realisticly, one rpg should do it, and a few grenades would also do the trick, however, in a game, im cool with 2 or 3 rpg shots. And im thinking maybe the only way they can stop you is by pulling you out ramming the f*ck out of it with noose trucks and patriots. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/429399-is-the-tank-indestructable/#findComment-1059559398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgrogfefji82 Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 I noticed in one of the screenshots that a fueltank is getting blown up right next to the APC and it seems to be in fine condition Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/429399-is-the-tank-indestructable/#findComment-1059559449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jose Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 You just know noobs are going to keep using these in free mode Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/429399-is-the-tank-indestructable/#findComment-1059559463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
humidex Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 As an aside, wouldn't it be great if the add-on ended up on the PC, then followed by someone using the mechanics of the APC to make a Tumbler/Batmobile...? Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/429399-is-the-tank-indestructable/#findComment-1059559558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sd13killer Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 it better be destroyable with atleast a rocket launcher or sticky bombs and other explosives ect. I would be mad if people just drove those things around basically unkillable Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/429399-is-the-tank-indestructable/#findComment-1059559569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonex100 Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 I think it should be bullet-proof, except for the AA-12, but it should not be able to take more than two rpg's or grenades. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/429399-is-the-tank-indestructable/#findComment-1059559600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobgtafan Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Well the police will have them too so they can take you down if they really fire thier canons. But it should be able to take 3 RPG rounds, 10 sticky bombs and 10 grendades. And fully bulletproof except from attack helicopters. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/429399-is-the-tank-indestructable/#findComment-1059559732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skateordie985 Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 2 RPGs, or 3 grenades. or 10 explosive shotgun shots Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/429399-is-the-tank-indestructable/#findComment-1059559757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trepsik Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 I don't think an APC in a military scenario would be equipped with inflatable tires. they would most likely be solid and thus impervious to small arms fire. plus it would just be annoying from a players perspective to go through all the trouble to steal an aPC just to have the tires flattened right away before you even get to break in your new toy...or the environment around it for that matter Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/429399-is-the-tank-indestructable/#findComment-1059559792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShogunOfHarlem Posted October 14, 2009 Author Share Posted October 14, 2009 Edit: Sorry, read that wrong man. I think the APC should be about the same as the Rhino in San Andreas. You are right about it being dumbed way the hell down from Vice City, but at the same time I feel it was at a level that an APC would be... I do think that it should be a bit better than it was in SA. An RPG-7 would probably be capable of penetrating a Civilian APC's armor. With an RPG, the damage I would like to see it do to an APC would be more specific. Spot damage would be ideal, but that probably should be for a later game. (or perhaps any next gen console) Very basic spot damage would satisfying.(i.e. An RPG to the tires=immobilization) Having spot-damage may be a bit too complicated if more realistic. True. It's a concept I would like to see in a later game when it came to APC/Tank busting. Oh and guys I Highly doubt an AA-12 can do much damage to any armored vehicle. The only small arms weaponry that could penetrate APC armor would be the M82 Barrett .50 cal or the XM109 25mm Sniper rifles. Both rounds are capable of penetrating lightly armored vehicles. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/429399-is-the-tank-indestructable/#findComment-1059560071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CryptReaperDorian Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 I'm pretty sure all types of bullets, like it or not, will be able to damage the APC. However, for all we know this APC may be able to take 2-3 times more damage than the Annihilator. I find the M4 may then be pretty useless on the APC, but I'm sure the explosive AA-12 rounds will still be able to damage the APC quite a bit in TBOGT whether it's realistic or not. Another thing. Is R* going to make the APC amphibious? The APC it's based off, the Cadillac Gage Commando, is amphibious. It only goes 3.1 mph on water though, but it's still better than losing the vehicle. Also, to those who say APCs are made for speed, on the road the Cadillac Gage Commando only goes 55 mph. Really, that's only 13 mph faster than the M1 Abrams. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/429399-is-the-tank-indestructable/#findComment-1059560086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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