liquidus119 Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 Can't help but think that deal would be the more appropriate ending. Because leaving Darko to live and not taking revenge on Dimitri, is the only way that progresses Niko as a character. I think it's the better ending, Niko learns to show integrity and betters himself by developing the ability to let go of his hatred. But it's too late for it, and as a result, he loses just about everything important to him (i.e. Kate and Roman). But I still think it's down to the player, and Rockstar definitely shouldn't validate either choice because it's all based on personal opinion. Both endings make sense in context. I think very similarly to you, but I always thought that Niko wouldn't be able to help himself and would kill Darko based on the fact he spent a third of his life looking for the man. From there he would grow to realize that revenge isn't the answer to his problems, and because of that (as well as his unbelievable faithfulness to Roman) he would decide to deal with Dimitri. I also just think that the Deal ending is done much better than Revenge. Regardless, it's the choices the game makes us choose as well as how we reflect on those that really make it special. Making one of the endings "official" would just ruin that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paudge Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 I'm sure the game goes beyond IV's ending as seen with the frame of Gay Tony with Niko in the First Trailer. I think that's what the OP's on about?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidus119 Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 I'm sure the game goes beyond IV's ending as seen with the frame of Gay Tony with Niko in the First Trailer. I think that's what the OP's on about?! Except...that scene happens before in GTAIV before the game ends. It's from the mission "Diamonds Are a Girls Best Friend" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkshade12 Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 Personally, i think Niko would kill Playboy, Francis and choose Revenge. It makes sense. He saw himself in Dwayne's shoes, he could relate to him and he got along with him very well. It was Playboy that told him to kill Dwayne and he didn't like it from the get go. That's the only time in the whole game he was upset after being told to off someone. He even told Playboy "I don't like the way your talking" As for Francis, that guy was blackmailing him since day 1 and Derrick never did anything to him. Francis had more crap on him, so it's onvious he would choose to kill him. As for Revenge, Dmitri tried to kill him many times after using him and even made an allaince with Bulgarin, whom Niko has history with. So it's common sense that he would not take the Deal, since he knew Dmitri would again try to screw him over. It's better to kill the SOB after all the crud he did to him & his family. For Johnny... He only got 1 choice & it was for Brian. Personally, i think he would let Brian live because he knew Brian was a coward and was just following Billy's orders. Billy was the real problem and he knew it. Brian was just a tool. Yeah. Those choises are the ones i always do and i think niko really would do them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killerkevbua Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 For Johnny... He only got 1 choice & it was for Brian. Personally, i think he would let Brian live because he knew Brian was a coward and was just following Billy's orders. Billy was the real problem and he knew it. Brian was just a tool. Also we have to remember not only was he a coward but he was also a brother for life, so killing Brian might not have been the best thing Johnny could've done. Afterwards he even gets a text message saying to do whatever is best for the Lost, Brian is still considered to be one of the Lost MC members. You kill Brian either way.... You see him on the street. There is two "correct" ending to IV. Whichever one you chose! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkEyesUK Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 Can't help but think that deal would be the more appropriate ending. Because leaving Darko to live and not taking revenge on Dimitri, is the only way that progresses Niko as a character. I think it's the better ending, Niko learns to show integrity and betters himself by developing the ability to let go of his hatred. But it's too late for it, and as a result, he loses just about everything important to him (i.e. Kate and Roman). But I still think it's down to the player, and Rockstar definitely shouldn't validate either choice because it's all based on personal opinion. Both endings make sense in context. I think very similarly to you, but I always thought that Niko wouldn't be able to help himself and would kill Darko based on the fact he spent a third of his life looking for the man. From there he would grow to realize that revenge isn't the answer to his problems, and because of that (as well as his unbelievable faithfulness to Roman) he would decide to deal with Dimitri. I also just think that the Deal ending is done much better than Revenge. Regardless, it's the choices the game makes us choose as well as how we reflect on those that really make it special. Making one of the endings "official" would just ruin that. The way I always saw the darko thing was that it's the pinnacle moment that Niko changes. It's a much more dramatic and meaningful scene if Niko doesn't kill him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slomojoe Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 For Johnny... He only got 1 choice & it was for Brian. Personally, i think he would let Brian live because he knew Brian was a coward and was just following Billy's orders. Billy was the real problem and he knew it. Brian was just a tool. but if you see Brian again on the street if you let him live, he tries to kill you. Which obviously has nothing to do with Billy because he is dead. Or at least he was when I saw Brian again in my game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brazil201 Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 SPOILER MARLEY DIES IN MARLEY AND ME Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killerkevbua Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 SPOILER MARLEY DIES IN MARLEY AND ME D: Seriously though, Niko had his correct ending. The only thing that those morality choices changed were that the cutscene for the next mission (s) changed slightly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The N. Bellic Man Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 A friend of mine says this; "Whichever choice is harder, that's the correct choice." So, I think you have to kill Playboy, Derrick, and Roman all die. Killing Playboy is the easiest thing to do in the game. I don't even see why they give you a choice to kill Dwayne. Also, Derrick is more straight with Niko than Francis. It is almost impossible to kill Derrick for me. Roman dying is the best ending (more effective) but Niko most likely wouldn't deal. The true answer is that there is no right choice. Or they wouldn't give you a choice. But the best choices are the ones that you know that Niko would make which is, kill Playboy, kill Francis, let Darko live, and get Revenge. That's BS. I truly respect your opinion, but do you think that hardest choice is always correct. And killing Derrick, even though I liked the bastard, isn't that hard. I mean in criminal world a snitching piece of sh*t junkie is most likely to get offed. And in a way you can really blackmail Francis after that. So it's win win. But I must add that in my many journeys through the game I have only once killed Derrick. Playboy X. sh*t. I always kill him. Killing Dwayne just isn't an option for me. I once went to his place and kill his pathetic "bodyguard", but it was too much to ask from me to actually kill Dwayne. And unlike many of you I really liked Kate, but that other alternative is just too much. I mean I once made the deal choice and it was like you said a really effective one. It would have been easier if Kate would kept her word and you would have been able to date her after that and possible talk about what happened. I don't know if it was intentional or bad choice/glitch by R*, but it really pissed me off that Kate wouldn't answer her phone even though she said she would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurviveTheRage Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 (edited) i hated that ending bc she doesnt answer her phone EVER. AND NIKO's COUSIN DIES, and she pulls the "I'M HERE FOR YOU" mmhmm i went back and made sure she dies, at least Roman is more useful damn, i'm mean Edited October 19, 2009 by SurviveTheRage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brazil201 Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 can we all at least agree killing playboy is the right god dam discussion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brazil201 Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 YES U CAN KILL PLAYBOY spoilers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyTheJew Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 can we all at least agree killing playboy is the right god dam discussion You mean decision. And yes, story wise it makes more sense for Niko to kill Playboy X if you look at Niko's personality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostSoul 301281 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Would you guys want TBOGT to confirm the real ending for GTA IV in some way? Similar to what TLAD did in it's credits showing several points of the story in IV and TLAD the museum, Niko killing Vlad etc. TBOGT could end with the credits camera roll to the wedding confirming who gets shot at the wedding. I'd personally want this. I'm a "Revenge" believer altough I respect people that believe the Deal is the correct one, both have valid reasons for being a correct ending. Personally I prefer the Deal ending. I used to go for the Revenge ending becauseRoman lives, but Deal seems more... fitting. Niko goes to LC to be with his cousin, a lot of bad stuff happens to Roman after Niko arrives. He gets kidnapped, shot, has his home and business burned down, is kidnapped again, and just as things seem to be going right, if you do the Deal ending, Roman is shot and killed. It seems more fitting, because the only person Niko knew when he first arrived is dead and he only has a small handful of friends left. But really, it's down to the player to choose. If Rockstar had set either ending as the "real" ending then it would be a different matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkEyesUK Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Personally I prefer the Deal ending.I used to go for the Revenge ending becauseRoman lives, but Deal seems more... fitting. Niko goes to LC to be with his cousin, a lot of bad stuff happens to Roman after Niko arrives. He gets kidnapped, shot, has his home and business burned down, is kidnapped again, and just as things seem to be going right, if you do the Deal ending, Roman is shot and killed. It seems more fitting, because the only person Niko knew when he first arrived is dead and he only has a small handful of friends left. Exactly, it just works so much better for the storyline. It's the idea that Niko loses everything in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The N. Bellic Man Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Personally I prefer the Deal ending.I used to go for the Revenge ending becauseRoman lives, but Deal seems more... fitting. Niko goes to LC to be with his cousin, a lot of bad stuff happens to Roman after Niko arrives. He gets kidnapped, shot, has his home and business burned down, is kidnapped again, and just as things seem to be going right, if you do the Deal ending, Roman is shot and killed. It seems more fitting, because the only person Niko knew when he first arrived is dead and he only has a small handful of friends left. Exactly, it just works so much better for the storyline. It's the idea that Niko loses everything in the end. Yeah, it worked well. Maybe too well. I mean it was depressing enough with that other ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rucke Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 In my opinion the Deal ending is better. It was much more dramatic. It almost felt like a good movie was ending. I actually think R* wanted you to choose that ending, that's why they had Roman text you about "take a private jet to Vice City" and "you came to Liberty City for women and penthouses, don't throw it away on revange". It's pretty obvious. No ending is correct because it's up to you to decide. However, for the person who wants a good end on the storyline I recommend Deal. For the person who wants better gameplay after you've finished the game, then I recommend Revange. The first time I played through GTA IV, I choosed Deal. And I haven't regret it once since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkEyesUK Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Besides, killing Dimitri with the 'Revenge' ending is so anticlimactic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trepsik Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 been playin through IV again. plan on beatin it and TLAD before next week. anyway i'm at the blood brothers mission and am stuck on the choice. last time francis bit it easy but after thinking a lot about i', leanin more towards ending derrickm I mean the guy is both a rat and a betrayer, as stated by aiden and francis seperatly and his stupidity caused michael to get shot in no leaf clover. put that on top of the fact that all 250k went up his arm plus the money he got from the boat deal. guy seems like a coward and a waste. the only thing holding me back so far his how pathetic he is and how nice he seems to be to niko, plus francis is a damn crooked cop that should get it in his own right. ugh choices Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sd13killer Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 you get more money for killing derrick and you get the option to call francis to lower your wanted level.. so if you don't think derrick is much nicer... kill him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuareg Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Right before the holland play Playboy phones Niko that he musn't wait any longer to kill Dwayne thus triggering the two choices. For some reason though, when Niko says he "knows what to do" the way he says it almost sounds like R* is hinting at killing Playboy. I mean, if you played the story up until then you know both Niko and Playboy enough for that to make sense. What i liked about the revenge and deal ending is that in both endings Niko behaved the way i expected him to in the given situation. For me that's the reason both endings are "correct", although i liked the deal better. Way more dramatic and a perfect and unexpected way to close Niko's story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lahm Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 (edited) Yeah,I would love to see Playboy X getting officially killed... Killing Dwayne is just not cool... Same with Ivan from the Vlad's mission,Niko never liked this russian thug so why should he do a big favor for this bold-head? Killing Clarence from Francis McReary mission is a different story. According to Francis stories he was selling drugs to the little kids. Speaking about Francis...i think he should die as well since Niko has better contact with Derrick. But looking from the other way,our main protagonist could be scared of Francis huge power in LCPD... Edited October 21, 2009 by Lahm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warplay3r Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Right before the holland play Playboy phones Niko that he musn't wait any longer to kill Dwayne thus triggering the two choices. For some reason though, when Niko says he "knows what to do" the way he says it almost sounds like R* is hinting at killing Playboy. I mean, if you played the story up until then you know both Niko and Playboy enough for that to make sense. I think that just reffers to the choice your gonna make, becuase Niko himself doesn't know the choice YOUR gonna make, so he just goes with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearTheLiving Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 My cannon story for GTA IV. Niko doesn't kill Ivan, Niko doesn't kill Clarence only to kill him later, Niko doesn't kill Cherise, Niko kills Playboy X (Trey Stewart) and befriends Dwayne, Niko kills the dirty hypocrite that is Francis McReary and spares the drug addict Derrick McReary, Niko doesn't kill Darko and feels much better knowing he'll suffer for what he did, and Niko takes the revenge road and won't trust Dimirti again killing him only later being betrayed by Jimmy P who kills Niko's love Kate McReary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuareg Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Right before the holland play Playboy phones Niko that he musn't wait any longer to kill Dwayne thus triggering the two choices. For some reason though, when Niko says he "knows what to do" the way he says it almost sounds like R* is hinting at killing Playboy. I mean, if you played the story up until then you know both Niko and Playboy enough for that to make sense. I think that just reffers to the choice your gonna make, becuase Niko himself doesn't know the choice YOUR gonna make, so he just goes with that. Of course he doesn't know your choice, but R* does know who's the right person to kill and who's not. That's why i said they were hinting at it. Plus choosing Playboy leads to much bigger things (chase, shootout) than going with Dwayne (simply shooting him in the head) wich doesn't prove much at first, but it' like that for a reason imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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