The Notorious MOB Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Soooo, how come he ended up in Drusilla`s? eh? answer that one. He was kidnapped, in retaliation for Johnny stealing the money. Yeah man I thought that was pretty obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafioso86 Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 While I really doubt this... it is an interesting idea. Assuming it's true, this scene is showing Luis killing Jim on the subway, which wouldn't contradict the Weasel News report from IV. It would just mean that Niko killed two other random Lost guys while Luis kills Jim. But why would Luis know where Jim was and know to go after him? Well Ray Boccino was a shady little f*ck... could he have been playing the different sides of the diamond deal? He was certainly a power hungry rat... maybe the Ancelotti's offered him a high ranking position in their organization if he helped them recover the diamonds he had originally arranged the theft of for the Pegorinos. Again it all sounds a little to complicated and stretched for me... but I guess it is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Notorious MOB Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 I've mailed Rockstar about this but have yet to recieve a reply... Who knows though we may get an answer soon *crosses fingers* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowdro420 Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 The bald guy is also in TLAD and is a seperate person meaning that he is not Jim. There's obviously a reason why the long haired guy dies in the subway everytime and that reason is because (despite what the credits say) it's Jim and the manner in which he dies is predetermined in order to make the news story that he was found in the subway correct every time. then why on weazel news do they say "jim fitzgerald discovered in subway, blah blah blah, then they talk about a biker hit by the train who's unrecognizable." the unrecognizable one can't be jim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Notorious MOB Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 The bald guy is also in TLAD and is a seperate person meaning that he is not Jim. There's obviously a reason why the long haired guy dies in the subway everytime and that reason is because (despite what the credits say) it's Jim and the manner in which he dies is predetermined in order to make the news story that he was found in the subway correct every time. then why on weazel news do they say "jim fitzgerald discovered in subway, blah blah blah, then they talk about a biker hit by the train who's unrecognizable." the unrecognizable one can't be jim. Proof or it never happened.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowdro420 Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 play IV, soon after "NWOTS" weazel news pops up on the radio. (like it does all throughout the game) that's when they talk about it. i'm sure someone else on here has heard it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Notorious MOB Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 play IV, soon after "NWOTS" weazel news pops up on the radio. (like it does all throughout the game)that's when they talk about it. i'm sure someone else on here has heard it. Well for the sake of your arguement you better hope they have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowdro420 Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 go through and play it. (if you have the chance) i would but i gotta work at 4 in the morning, so i'll be going to bed soon. try going to libertytree.com or whatever it is in-game and try seeing if they say that on the website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandrixco Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 play IV, soon after "NWOTS" weazel news pops up on the radio. (like it does all throughout the game)that's when they talk about it. i'm sure someone else on here has heard it. Well for the sake of your arguement you better hope they have haha you can't win lol , but seriously jim is the bald dude in IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic_Al Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 I've mailed Rockstar about this but have yet to recieve a reply...Who knows though we may get an answer soon *crosses fingers* This would be a good question for the official Rockstar News Wire page, since they answered the Victor Vance one there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsta312 Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 (edited) play IV, soon after "NWOTS" weazel news pops up on the radio. (like it does all throughout the game)that's when they talk about it. i'm sure someone else on here has heard it. Well for the sake of your arguement you better hope they have haha you can't win lol , but seriously jim is the bald dude in IV We know that already, as mentioned before, based on the filename on the PC version. The weazel news report already had the impression that Jim was the bald biker before they made TLAD. But all of that pretty much changed when they decided to remake Jim. R* probably decided to put that same bald biker with Jim in the alleyway when Johnny gave him the cash as a way to prove that the long haired biker in "No Way In The Subway" was Jim now. But the point is: If we don't see Jim in TBOGT, than it proves that Luis wasn't involved with Jim's death. It's as simple as that. Edited September 30, 2009 by shinsta312 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slomojoe Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Soooo, how come he ended up in Drusilla`s? eh? answer that one. He was kidnapped, in retaliation for Johnny stealing the money. yeah, but he was in Drusilla's after johnny gave him the money in the alleyway, which was supposedly where Niko began the chase and killed him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Capone Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 omg ! they R* spelled it out in TLAD its the smae bald guy and jim in the same back alleyway when johnny gave him the money niko sooner or later went over there on "no way on the subway" and the bald guy and a guy with a beard (JIM) were there. why right after that mission it says it on the news(radio and website) that jim has been found dead(again right after niko kills those two bikers) is it really this hard to understand. why do people keep looking away from the bright as daylight story and come up with things that make no sense! ugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidus119 Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 I honestly can't see why you guys continue to make these conspiracy theories. First it was Victor Vance, now it's Jim. Seriously, Rockstar doesn't give that much of a rats ass to continuity. Think of it this way. Tony Cipriani and Victor Vance, two small time characters turned into main characters in later games went through two very different looks, two very different voice actors, and in the case of Tony, had his name pronounced two different ways throughout one game. If they didn't go to pain staking efforts to fix this, why would they do it for Jim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOURANGA!! Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Another way it can be looked at is how rockstar described how interiors and parts of the environment were inaccessible to niko but were also irrelevant to his story which is why they dont have the distinct graphical features that they do in TLAD and TBOGT such as bike controls being upgraded for Johnnys story or the lost and AOD clubhouse getting facelifts, or new peds as another example, cant remember where i read this so sorry no source but im sure someone must've read this too, put it this way Jim doesn't look the way as he does in TLAD because niko doesn't see him that way/ or bothers to care how he looks. They are just things niko doesn't notice in his story. I agree that its just a simple continuity error but wishful thinking makes me want to see a variation on this whole thing played out in Luis' point of view, but then who knows, we'll see when it comes out, someone's face will be red when this is finally all cleared up that's for sure.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnchantedX360 Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 I for one believe Niko killed Jim, however I'd like for a variation of the theories out there to be true... What I'd like to happen: Gay Tony or those whom he's made the wrong deal with ("I made a deal with the wrong devil") in TBoGT story (to tie in with the timing of IV) sends you out to kill "those bikers" from The Lost who spoiled the diamond deal (Diamond deal by the Platypus) and killed Evan Moss. Luis finds Jim, gets a chase on and by a twist of "fate" is killed in the subway between Algonquin and Broker... Now, what I like and what may be the actual case are probably not the same thing! I acknowledge that. Why doesn't anyone ask R* to answer this!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsta312 Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Why doesn't anyone ask R* to answer this!? Someone did sent something regarding that to R*, but knowing that they get thousands of questions everyday, it might take a while before we find out. Plus, I don't think they'll post the answer up on their website either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnchantedX360 Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Why doesn't anyone ask R* to answer this!? Someone did sent something regarding that to R*, but knowing that they get thousands of questions everyday, it might take a while before we find out. Plus, I don't think they'll post the answer up on their website either. I just asked them myself. Page 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrixone Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 (edited) I for one believe Niko killed Jim, however I'd like for a variation of the theories out there to be true... What I'd like to happen: Gay Tony or those whom he's made the wrong deal with ("I made a deal with the wrong devil") in TBoGT story (to tie in with the timing of IV) sends you out to kill "those bikers" from The Lost who spoiled the diamond deal (Diamond deal by the Platypus) and killed Evan Moss. Luis finds Jim, gets a chase on and by a twist of "fate" is killed in the subway between Algonquin and Broker... Now, what I like and what may be the actual case are probably not the same thing! I acknowledge that. Why doesn't anyone ask R* to answer this!? You are onto something. it is something that we can see that happened a lot when every protagonist kill or does something bad that connected to other protagonist. also they never know that the other protagonist has something to do with it. Johnny kidnap roman, niko killed Jim (or maybe took care of the start), niko kidnapped gracie, johnny killed evan moss. What did luis done to niko, or johnny? never mind that, what i am saying is that this can be what luis done to johnny... I know its a bit stupid but this is might be rockstar solution. Niko left Jim dieing and luis came to revange or did this by mistake without knowing jims connection to evan moss. Edited September 30, 2009 by Astrixone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Notorious MOB Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Why doesn't anyone ask R* to answer this!? Someone did sent something regarding that to R*, but knowing that they get thousands of questions everyday, it might take a while before we find out. Plus, I don't think they'll post the answer up on their website either. I just asked them myself. Page 5. I asked them too. Maybe everybody should ask them the same question.. Then they kinda have to answer it don't they Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_4130 Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 When playing as Nico chasing the bikers along the tracks (I think it's "no way on the subway"), don't you come across a train thats randomly stopped on the bridge in the same sort of place as in the screenshots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitchJ90 Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 They don't care enough like most people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOSEPH X Posted September 30, 2009 Author Share Posted September 30, 2009 No no no, we shouldn`t ask them, I like surprises. We don`t want to spoil the whole story, let`s just speculate. Anyway, does anyone think this is the Jim that gets hit by the train in NWOTS @ 0:34 in the weasel news trailer? Haha, it looks like him doesn`t it? It seems that we have three Jims - fat bald PC Jim, Trainwreck Jim and TLAD Jim, but only TLAD Jim is the real Jim. PC Jim appeared in TLAD with real Jim, mabey trainwreck Jim makes an appearance in BOGT. Here`s how I can see this going down in BOGT: After the museum mission Luis calls GT and says a Lost biker ran off with the money. Sometime later, Luis gets a call from GT saying he knows where a Lost biker is and a mission marker appears on the map. Luis triggers the mission marker and we see Jim with the money in the cutscene. Jim takes off on his bike and Luis chases after him in whatever car he happens to be in at the time (that`s why there`s two different cars in the screenshots). Jim speeds to the same point where the bikers get on to the train track in NWOTS and drives thru the same gap, only instead of turning and going underground he goes straight along the tracks towards Bohan. Luis has no option but to head onto the track and give chase. they both go all the way round the Bohan loop and back into Algonquin where Luis kills Jim or fails the mission. That leaves us with two dead bodies on the subway at around the same time - the unrecognisable one and Jim Fitzgerald. Remember that the fat bald biker doesn`t die on the subway, but in Broker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidus119 Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 The fat bald biker can die in the subway, though. I've never had the actual chase spill out into Broker, usually I kill him when we get off the tracks, right onto the bridge after the big train wreck in the tunnels. It's the straightest and easiest shot to make in the whole mission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Notorious MOB Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 (edited) Both bikers were retconned in TLAD. The long haired guy became black Jim and the Bald guy became his friend. Basically everything in TLAD is the most current and correct version of how things happened e.g Johnny wore his TLAD clothes both times he met Niko, The Lost Clubhouse was the same way in Niko's story as it is in TLAD and The way Luis and Tony look in TBOGT is the way they've always looked etc. When games get updated, people's and place's appearences change but we usually just accept that this is the way they've always looked, the developers just hadn't got the right amount of forethought or good graphics to work with when the original story was made to have the appearences be consistant. I like your theory Joseph and It would be great if it were true as it would make a lot more sense out of the situation but Rockstar won't go back and explain the differences they'll just press on and move forward like every other games developer has in the past. It's too much work.. They have their money now why would they bother man.. there's no point seriously. Edited September 30, 2009 by Money Over Bullshit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slomojoe Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 well R* had a big time continuity error, because in IV, you kill him as Niko after the handoff of the money in the alleyway. In TLAD, it seems like Ray's guys kill him after he and Johnny escape Ray's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitchJ90 Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Not at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RARusk Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 When playing as Nico chasing the bikers along the tracks (I think it's "no way on the subway"), don't you come across a train thats randomly stopped on the bridge in the same sort of place as in the screenshots? You're correct. There is a nice little logjam on the bridge that forces you to get off and go on the sidewalk. This just verifies that Jim's death scenario is NOT a retcon. This was planned from the very beginning. I said in another topic that Luis killed Jim but in a chase that starts just after Niko's. But it appears that it happens BEFORE and not after. Luis somehow causes the subway cars to jam up on the bridge, following the more action oriented theme that TBoGT is supposed to follow, and kills Jim before he can get away from the subway cars. This leaves Jim's body on the subway bridge, the easy to kill biker back in the tunnel, and the hard to kill biker in Broker away from the subway making the news reports correct. "One day I will think of this as just another job. After all, this is what I do." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinsta312 Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 (edited) You're correct. There is a nice little logjam on the bridge that forces you to get off and go on the sidewalk. This just verifies that Jim's death scenario is NOT a retcon. This was planned from the very beginning. I said in another topic that Luis killed Jim but in a chase that starts just after Niko's. But it appears that it happens BEFORE and not after. Luis somehow causes the subway cars to jam up on the bridge, following the more action oriented theme that TBoGT is supposed to follow, and kills Jim before he can get away from the subway cars. This leaves Jim's body on the subway bridge, the easy to kill biker back in the tunnel, and the hard to kill biker in Broker away from the subway making the news reports correct. There is one thing that would make that theory true: If Luis did kill Jim Fitzgerald, than the mission where you kill him would have to be given from Ray Boccino, as he is the only person that knows that Johnny and Jim stole the money from him and would want the both of them dead for that reason. Remember, Johnny found out about Jim's death from Ashley, who got the info from Ray. But I seriously doubt that we'll be doing missions for Ray unless these two things happen: 1.) Luis would have to meet him through Teddy Benavidez. 2.) Ray would have to remain oblivious to the fact that Luis took the diamonds. Edited October 1, 2009 by shinsta312 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOSEPH X Posted October 1, 2009 Author Share Posted October 1, 2009 When playing as Nico chasing the bikers along the tracks (I think it's "no way on the subway"), don't you come across a train thats randomly stopped on the bridge in the same sort of place as in the screenshots? Those screens were 100% taken on the subway bridge going towards Bohan. On one you can see the Northwood apartments where Dwayne lives, and on the other you can see the car bridge that links Bohan and Algonquin. The only way you can get onto those tracks in a car is the way Niko did in NWOTS or here:- Click here to view the SnapMap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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