Bates_GTA Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 For cases like this i wish there was such a thing as Karma. They sound like low-life trash, May i ask; what sort of family are they, im picturing a common family, fairly poor and just completely anti social, am i right? Anyway, best thing you can do is act mature, talk nothing but the truth and be cool. I wish you luck with it, cause i'm still astonished they actually killed your dog Is there a council in your area? Maybe suggest a neighborhood watch system, i know a few places that has worked around my area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Posted September 25, 2009 Author Share Posted September 25, 2009 May i ask; what sort of family are they, im picturing a common family, fairly poor and just completely anti social, am i right? Bingo. As Typhus put it, they're as close to a family of chavs as you can get in the US. I have no doubt they'll show up to court in casual clothing, giving us sarcastic grins and attempting to badger us. I really hope the judge has participated in one of their previous cases. As I said, I know they've been to court before for multiple charges (IIRC, one of the f*ckers egged a woman's car in our neighborhood when I was around eleven or twelve). I also forgot to mention, their youngest son is nineteen or twenty, and I'm fairly certain he's unemployed (he's also the one that did the shooting). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhus Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Pat, have you considered what will happen after the trial? Things could go bad for you. These sorts of people may not be brave, but they are stupid and do rash, unpleasant things. I'd honestly expect them to vandalise your house at some point. I know them, I know how they think. They're all the same. Such foolish, ugly, obvious criminals. They will no doubt try and save face by petty acts of contempt against you and your family. I hope you have anticipated this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Posted September 25, 2009 Author Share Posted September 25, 2009 I haven't, but then again, there's nothing I can do to prevent it. They called the police, so the court case is their doing. And I don't doubt your suspicions, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Goose Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Sorry if its been mentioned before, and I'm no expert, but if you make it clear how badly behaved the boys are (by occasionally slipping in a reference, I've heard of overtly stating offtopic arguments can backfire) and also mention the grinning, it will help your case. But hard, cold evidence will seal the deal. Maybe eyewitness accounts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhus Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 I haven't, but then again, there's nothing I can do to prevent it. They called the police, so the court case is their doing. Such people are hypocritical by nature. They foolishly resist authority with every fibre of their being but expect the law to protect them. And then demand that honest people such as you roll over as though they are a superior species but treat your submission with no more respect than your defiance. Basically, they want a bad relationship with you and your family. And they want you to know that they have the law on their side, even if they are just f*cking chav scum. I think character witnesses are a good way to go, how many is a person allowed to call? They sound like the sort of people that many would be swift to denounce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenMc20 Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 Sounds like hell on earth well done for keeping your cool. Like people have said in court it comes down to looking sincere, not like your out to get them. Being presentable is important but theres nothing better than hard evidence, If you anticipate any verbal contact with them turn the recorder on your mobile on and slip it into your pocket, but dont try and get them to say anything incriminating or it would be classed as entrapment. If people won't appear in court against them type up a few witness statesments and ask if anybodys willing to sign them, especially anyone who's pets have been injured by the c*nts. In civil courts over here judgement is made on the balance of probability meaning the judge only needs to be 51 percent sure of guilt. So it would be good if you can prove they've done ANY harm to any animals in the past and see if you can show they were negligent in letting their dog roam free and prove yours was tied up (neighbours cctv perhaps) at the time of the incident. Any evidence that they are hostile towards your family would also aid in showing they are likely to be lying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliosNYC Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 Pat... watch out for your cornhole, bud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarp1996 Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 These neibors sound like c#ck juggling thunder [email protected] that some them up good. -Ontopic, You should round up some past victoms in your neiborhood to testify, maybe that should help convince the judge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermortalhuman Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 Clearly you have something against Pits, supermortal, but I've seen pictures of Pat's dogs and they're not pitbulls. nah, I love pitbulls, but if he's NOT the story depicted, he needs to focus on making sure he doesn't sound like that. I don't have anything against pits, only pit trainers and pit sympathizers. I really hope, for the simple fact that we share this bit of interest and internet, that the Andrews lose, and that they learn their lesson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarz Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Ack, difficult for me to comment on Yank courts. I'm going to court about once every two weeks at the moment, but it's all (obviously) British courts. So... I guess a bit of generic advice is in order. 1 - Don't lie. You'll cock yourself right up. 2 - Presentation is everything. Suit. Shirt. Tie. Show the others up if they're gonna dress-down. 3 - Find out the title of the Judge before you go in. Not sure about the US, but in Britain it can be 'Sir' (Magistrates), 'Your honour', (Crown) or 'My Lord' (High Court aka The ol Bailey). Find out beforehand. Stupid, but little things like this can swing it in your favour. 4 - Get a defence solicitor. I'm assuming they're 'free' like in the UK...? Anyone? 5 - Be yourself. Nothing more pathetic than a tiny, wimpy guy trying to act the big man, or a monster of a man trying to act sweet and sensitive. Judges and Juries look right through that bull-crap and it'll get you nowhere. 6 - Get your case in order. To quote the 7Ps, "proper prior planning prevents piss poor performance". Have your dates. Have your witnesses organised (vets, animal enforcement, police, family, friends, neighbours). 7 - Not sure how the US Courts are with 'Bad character', but if previous history can be taken into account, and these guys are 'little sh*ts' as you said, the case won't go anywhere. But I don't know about the US system, so can't really comment too much on this. Good luck. --- AMF --- -= A joke is a very serious thing - Winston Churchill =- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuareg Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 You should have stood up to them long ago man. It might not have prevented things from happening, but they'd be half as interested in you if you don't let them think you're weak. I don't have much experience in court myself, but what can go wrong if you know you're right here? If you did keep the dogs chained there must be a way to prove it wasn't one of yours. Anyway, even if it might cause problems later on i'd still not let it go if they'd act like assholes in the future. Don't let them step on you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewie Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 What day do you go to court? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Posted September 28, 2009 Author Share Posted September 28, 2009 (edited) What day do you go to court? Not sure yet. The county sheriff will show up with a subpoena when the date is decided. Unless, of course, the Andrews withdraw their report. Knowing the fact that they'll end up in court as well, there's a good chance that they might. They know that we're aware of their criminal records. Edited September 28, 2009 by Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asimov Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 This is a sucky situation, you're obviously sick and tired of dealing with this. If you keep your facts 100% straight and are able to convey your sense of desperation with the judge they will see this instantly. Swarz has everything pretty much sorted, if these people are as dumb as you say they will not be able to fool a judge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Posted September 29, 2009 Author Share Posted September 29, 2009 So the sheriff showed up at our door about ten minutes ago. Case is next tuesday. Apparently it's a criminal case, and the charge is for allowing a domesticated animal to roam the neighborhood without supervision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermortalhuman Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 dude f*ck that, get your camera out, and show that it's not only "not just you" but it was Never you and it was other people's dog, mistaken for yours. That's a shame man. Criminal now, go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Posted September 29, 2009 Author Share Posted September 29, 2009 Oh, I'm not too worried. The guy dropped subtle hints that they're well aware of how hypocritical the Andrews are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freakorama Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Gee that sucks, Reminds me of when my family went away for a while and some passer byre saw our dog that was born with only one eye, thought it was being mistreated and had it put down, and when we got back from our holiday the rspca gave us our dog's death certificate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unvirginiser Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Hello, I know this is from England and the situation is a little bit extreme, but saw this and thought you might be interested. Clicky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnathon956 Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 shoot them with a shotgun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Posted October 5, 2009 Author Share Posted October 5, 2009 I was talking to the sheriff about any reports that had been filed about us recently, and, this is a funny one. Apparently, they called in on Sep. 1st claiming that one of their dogs' ears had been severed. I don't know anything else, I'm assuming that they were just trying to make it sound like our dogs were responsible. But, animal control NEVER showed up near that date. I think the only time they came before that was in June, or possibly earlier. Also, they go to the same vet that we do, so we can get the veterinary records, and I have a feeling that they're not going to show any record of the Andrews coming in with a dog, sans ear. I'm also going to try even harder to get pictures of both of their dogs. (and btw, the court case is still scheduled for next Tuesday.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornedbeefsandwich Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 poison their water. i'm not joking, if you don't win the case, (hell, even if you do) i'd sneak into thier house and pour some sort of toxin (like chloroform) into their water (or any other drink in their fridge.) they'd be dead. f*ckers try to kill a helpless dog... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Posted October 5, 2009 Author Share Posted October 5, 2009 Just got back from the vet. I was picking up a shot for my cat (he's allergic to flees, heh), and I decided to go ahead and ask if they had the records for both of the Andrews dogs... and they did. The last time they took one of their dogs to the vet was January '09. So, unless they cared for the dog themselves, they're bullsh*tting animal control. Should help quite a bit in the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 poison their water. i'm not joking, if you don't win the case, (hell, even if you do) i'd sneak into thier house and pour some sort of toxin (like chloroform) into their water (or any other drink in their fridge.) they'd be dead. f*ckers try to kill a helpless dog... A little counter-intuitive to winning a court case don'cha'think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornedbeefsandwich Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 poison their water. i'm not joking, if you don't win the case, (hell, even if you do) i'd sneak into thier house and pour some sort of toxin (like chloroform) into their water (or any other drink in their fridge.) they'd be dead. f*ckers try to kill a helpless dog... A little counter-intuitive to winning a court case don'cha'think? sorry max, i just hate people who try to f*ck with dogs. and cats. but mainly with dogs. bastards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarz Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 No evidence = no win. If they've got no evidence your dog has behaved in this manner, case isn't going anyway. Pretty simple. From the sounds of it, I shouldn't worry too much. --- AMF --- -= A joke is a very serious thing - Winston Churchill =- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titanfan Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 You don't really need one but get a lawyer if you really want to stick it to them and make them look stupid. It'll be expensive though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManArmy Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Wow the Andrews are real assholes. The f*ck did they even shoot your dog for? I honestly don't know much about law, but I suggest you ask your parents for some help too? If not, get a lawyer if you can afford it. Sorry man, good luck anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Posted October 13, 2009 Author Share Posted October 13, 2009 (edited) If they've got no evidence your dog has behaved in this manner, case isn't going anyway. Swarz is right again. I go into the court room with my father, and the baliff informs us that the judge has dismissed our case, due to the lack of proof and the fact that the summons was poorly written (I never got a chance to look at it, personally). However, I did notice that the Andrews' case was still going. Seems I wasn't wrong about animal control being tired of their constant complaints. But, yeah. Thanks for all the advice, guys, even though it wasn't needed. Edited October 13, 2009 by Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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