Have you ever seen an UFO?

[coin-god]

@Goin God:

U mad, bro?

Nop, not really. Why would I be mad?

[Adept]

We are all a little mad, bro(uh, I died a little). I'm drunk off of a little more than a pint of whiskey. That is not healthy. Sivispacem and Coin-God are right to question your assertions. It isn't rational. Descriptions of this nature have been passed down since ancient times but subjective experience does not equal scientific fact. It can't be measured or replicated. Don't take it personally, just put it in the file of "This could be right but I can't prove it".

[Icarus]

@Goin God:

U mad, bro?

The fact you're spewing out this overused phrase invalidates any arguments you have had or will have.

 

Also, unless it's in a peer reviewed journal (as sivi mentioned), it's not worth my time. Then again, I actually work as a research assistant for a physics department, so what would I know?

 

[Finn 7 five 11]

What is this tripe? "Close encounters of a third kind"? Seriously, if you honestly believe such a video exists and is genuine then I am seriously concerned about your mental well-being.

 

 

Someone should be concerned for your mental well being. What's the point in posting any links or whatever when all you'll do is stick your fingers in your ears and go LA LA LA? You're not worth my time. Anyone here is capable of googling the things I posted and find a mound of facts. You really make yourself look like an idiot by the way you insult anyone who disagrees with you. Purdy typical of you. Now, lets all watch as your little group lines up and insults me. good day

 

 

 

@Goin God:

U mad, bro?

You have a point that we are going LA LA LA.

But that's because the things you are posting are garbage, if they were real Astronauts with proper documentation that i could see don't you think popular news sites would jump all over the opportunity to interview people who have had encounters with aliens?

 

Your major sources are a youtube video and a site dedicated to aliens.

[sivispacem]

 

Someone should be concerned for your mental well being. What's the point in posting any links or whatever when all you'll do is stick your fingers in your ears and go LA LA LA?

What, because I don't believe a single word said by a deranged conspiracy theorist who filled three pages of an otherwise good thread with rambling anti-Semitic garbage and then rounded off by spending about eight posts claiming I was a Mossad agent? Yeah, I don't think you've got anywhere near the credibility on this forum to make unsubstantiated claims or argue from some point of self-perceived foreknowledge.

[Ari Gold]

Wait, are you saying that you're not a Mossad agent?!

[IM_YOUR_GOD]

 

 

 

 

 

[Sneakerhead.]

I saw this EXACT thing with my own eyes: 

EDIT: It had the lights and all.

That's not a UFO (officially) it appears to be a Grumman B-2, an advanced strategic bomber.

It is indeed a B-2 Spirit.

 

I've seen the f*cking weird, Beluga-whale-esque Tacit Blue at the USAF museum- that's the kind of thing that could easily pass for alien.

 

I've also seen the rather odd, but nowhere near as strange Corax UACV

Ok, now that I know that this thing is not a ufo, can you tell me why it was flying so damn low?

[Vercetti will rise]

 

This is scary 0.0

[Viperman]

This is scary 0.0

No its not. It's merely a hoax that happened ages ago.

[sivispacem]

 

Ok, now that I know that this thing is not a ufo, can you tell me why it was flying so damn low?

Presumably because its designed to test radar absorbing surfaces and most radar engagements of combat aircraft are at relatively low level.

 

-EDIT

 

Just to correct myself, it was a testbed for low-observable battlefield command and control aircraft and they tend to fly at mixed altitudes depending on whether they are providing strategic or operational support.

Edited August 14, 2012 by sivispacem

[Outcast]

Sivis, I'm interested as to what you make of what I saw. No doubt you're highly knowledgeable in regards to experimental military aircraft. I can make neither heads nor tails of my experience and would appreciate your input.

[AtomicPunk]

Someone should be concerned for your mental well being. What's the point in posting any links or whatever when all you'll do is stick your fingers in your ears and go LA LA LA?

What, because I don't believe a single word said by a deranged conspiracy theorist who filled three pages of an otherwise good thread with rambling anti-Semitic garbage and then rounded off by spending about eight posts claiming I was a Mossad agent? Yeah, I don't think you've got anywhere near the credibility on this forum to make unsubstantiated claims or argue from some point of self-perceived foreknowledge.

If I'm "anti-semitic" then what are you son?

 

 

So you won't take a video testimony by the actual astronauts/scientists themselves---it's gotta come from some scientific board? LOL! These are scientists telling you that they were told telepathically to get off the moon and stay off or else! These same scientists gave testimonhy that they were being watched by two or three large UFO's while on the moon.

 

Why wouldn't anyone take the word of a fighter pilot who said he chased after something that was obviously not of this earth? I mean, he would know what he's looking at, wouldn't he? What about the thousands of people in Texas, some pilots and government employees--including former fighter pilot/governer, who saw a boomerang-shaped UFO that was about mile across in size? Did they all see a bird or swamp gas?

 

What about Major Jesse Marcel? Explain this one. lol you cannot. good day.

 

[sivispacem]

 

If I'm "anti-semitic" then what are you son?

Not your son, for one.

 

 

So you won't take a video testimony by the actual astronauts/scientists themselves

If you can prove irrefutably that they are who they say they are, that they haven't been taken out of context and that the videos are genuine as well as any footage in them, then sure, go ahead. But I think you may struggle on that ground. That's why I suggested peer-review. If someone is willing enough to put their views, evidence and basis under intense public scrutiny rather than on some chancer's YouTube channel, it's less likely to be an absurd fantasist or someone out to make a quick buck of gullible morons who'll believe anyone who claims to be anything.

 

 

These are scientists telling you that they were told telepathically to get off the moon and stay off or else!

Evidence please. In order to substantiate this claim, I will need

1) Irrefutable scientific proof that telepathy is possible.

2) Irrefutable eyewitness accounts of the people involved.

3) (2) To be shared, publicly and willingly, as fact by every single person involved in the incident.

 

 

These same scientists gave testimonhy that they were being watched by two or three large UFO's while on the moon.

Evidence please. I'm rather disappointed by your vague use of "scientists". You're claiming all these fantastical things yet you haven't given us a mere morsel of them being true. In fact you've not even posted utterly pointless YouTube videos substantiating these apparent "facts". In fact, I find it very hard to believe the idea that scientists gave testimony that they were being watched by "two or three UFO's whilst on the moon" because only one of the three people on the moon during Apollo 17 (that's the mission I assume you are referring to) was a scientist- a Geologist, to be exact. The other two were a career pilot and a career pilot who trained as an aeronautical engineer. Now, by your logic the only individual who could claim that they were being watched over by aliens was Harrison Schmitt. Now, our good friend Dr Schmitt has claimed previously that it is possible for the conditions to exist outside of the earth that could support the creation of life- something many scientists agree with him on- but I can't find any report of him ever claiming he was watched by UFOs or being telepathically told to do one. So, I can quite succinctly categorise this as sh*t.

[Lioshenka]

 

Sorry but, UFOs don't exist.

So, you are basically saying that what I saw with my own eyes I, in fact, didn't see? Go troll elsewhere.

Yes. You were 6 years old.

...and your point is?..

[coin-god]

Sorry but, UFOs don't exist.

So, you are basically saying that what I saw with my own eyes I, in fact, didn't see? Go troll elsewhere.

Yes. You were 6 years old.

...and your point is?..

You obviously misunderstood what you saw.

[IM_YOUR_GOD]

Sorry but, UFOs don't exist.

So, you are basically saying that what I saw with my own eyes I, in fact, didn't see? Go troll elsewhere.

Yes. You were 6 years old.

...and your point is?..

You obviously misunderstood what you saw.

You sound like MJ lawyer.

[WhiskeyFoxtrot]

Just a couple nights ago I was out on my back porch around 2am smoking a cigarette and looking up at the sky. I remember seeing three stars in a line, the one in the middle was the brightest. I sat there watching the stars for a moment, then I literally saw the star on the left side go from not moving anywhere, to suddenly it just started moving left, and kept going in a straight line at a constant speed. I watched it for a few seconds then lost sight of it. I'm not saying it was a UFO or anything, not jumping to conclusions, but can you please answer me how this happens? I didn't know what I was looking at. I thought it was just a star for the first couple minutes I was smoking, until it just moved like that.

The question is, what were you smoking?

 

I'm not sure what you saw, as you said it was still at first. I've seen loads of thes 'Moving stars' and soon learned they were just passing satellites. I used to get excited if I saw one, but they're pretty boring now, like seeing a plane in the sky. If it's a clear night and you look at the sky long enough, you'll find quite a few as their fairly common. Sometimes they come into view really bright and slowly dim out as they go across. I think that has something to do with it not reflecting the Sun's light anymore as it goes round Earth. But I'm no expert.

 

The best thing I've seen in the sky was really low down and moving pretty fast. The best way to describe it is basically, two glowing orange ace of spades side by side, with an orange stream of light between them. The two ace of spades crossed over each other, left to right as it travelled.

I had just smoked a little marijuana, that's probably why.

[coin-god]

Today I saw an UFO, although this was an undefined falling object.

 

But I just saw in the news that there is a comet close to the earth wich is leaving fragments that are entering our orbit in the form of "stars rain", if that's the correct english term.

 

Waiting for AtomicPunk to say it's a conspiracy!

[Guest]

If someone doesn't know what a bird is, and they see a bird in the sky, would it be classed as an unidentified flying object, because they cannot identify the bird?

 

It sounds like something that's been invented by a child in the 1970s like famous phrases like "finders keepers losers weepers" but it's something I thought of.

[coin-god]

If someone doesn't know what a bird is, and they see a bird in the sky, would it be classed as an unidentified flying object, because they cannot identify the bird?

 

It sounds like something that's been invented by a child in the 1970s like famous phrases like "finders keepers losers weepers" but it's something I thought of.

To him, yes. To non-retards, no.

 

And what you thought dosn't make any sense.

[AtomicPunk]

Today I saw an UFO, although this was an undefined falling object.

 

But I just saw in the news that there is a comet close to the earth wich is leaving fragments that are entering our orbit in the form of "stars rain", if that's the correct english term.

 

Waiting for AtomicPunk to say it's a conspiracy!

Comets and meteor showers; It's obvious what they are. When something flies in like that making eradic 90% turns, obvious intelligent control, that's when it's suspicious. Especially when it's a boomerang over a mile across and flying over Texas and witnessed by people a lot smarter than you or I.

 

China recently had to shut down one of their airports because a saucer was hover over one of their run ways. google it! Then you have Chicago Ohare International where a UFO(saucer) hovered over the airport, then shot straight up, according to pilots and tower, and punched a hole through the clouds all the way into space. Again, google it. It's an interesting read. But I know Sivi, they're all idiots though, huh?

Why do you two hate and flame people who have witnessed extra-terrestial activity? You and Sivi seem like dis-info agents or something. But I think you two are trying too hard. Noone is trying to convince you of anything, only presenting reality. You can deal with reality however you so choose. I want to post some actual scientific research, but right now, I have a family emergency and don't have time---just popped my head in for a sec, but I'll be back soon.

 

Love your mothers because they won't be around forever.

[ZoomZoom]

I think I mist have seen although I am not sure and one day when I was playing cricket I heard a strange sound and saw a light in the evening sky not sure if it was a KFIR..

[Abel.]

 

Today I saw an UFO, although this was an undefined falling object.

 

But I just saw in the news that there is a comet close to the earth wich is leaving fragments that are entering our orbit in the form of "stars rain", if that's the correct english term.

 

Waiting for AtomicPunk to say it's a conspiracy!

Comets and meteor showers; It's obvious what they are. When something flies in like that making eradic 90% turns, obvious intelligent control, that's when it's suspicious. Especially when it's a boomerang over a mile across and flying over Texas and witnessed by people a lot smarter than you or I.

 

China recently had to shut down one of their airports because a saucer was hover over one of their run ways. google it! Then you have Chicago Ohare International where a UFO(saucer) hovered over the airport, then shot straight up, according to pilots and tower, and punched a hole through the clouds all the way into space. Again, google it. It's an interesting read. But I know Sivi, they're all idiots though, huh?

Why do you two hate and flame people who have witnessed extra-terrestial activity? You and Sivi seem like dis-info agents or something. But I think you two are trying too hard. Noone is trying to convince you of anything, only presenting reality. You can deal with reality however you so choose. I want to post some actual scientific research, but right now, I have a family emergency and don't have time---just popped my head in for a sec, but I'll be back soon.

 

Love your mothers because they won't be around forever.

Before my post becomes antagonistic, allow me to express my condolences to your family.

 

Now, back to the topic at hand. You seem to be assuming that UFOs are of extraterrestrial origin. This is, at least in my view, an unsubstantiated assumption. We have yet to locate evidence of sentient life on other worlds, therefore there is currently no evidence (science is built upon empirical evidence, remember) that beings capable of engineering complex aeronautic systems exist, with the obvious exception of our species. However, the US government has declassified information concerning the Oxcart project which supports my view that UFOs are prototype military/reconnaissance aircraft. The Martin-Lockheed A-12 ("OXCART") was developed as successor to the U2 spy-plane and such was its speed that people assumed it was of alien origin. Lies propagated by the government that the craft was extraterrestrial to keep the project secret furthered these ideas.

 

How is this relevant? Well, people assumed the A-12 was not of this planet due to its speed and altitude capabilities, both of which surpassed the capabilities of the non-secret aircraft of the day. However, the craft was not of extraterrestrial origin, but instead was built by engineers with high-level military clearance. Therefore, proposing that UFOs are extraterrestrial given their supposedly unearthly capabilities just reveals ignorance on your part. Black projects are incredibly well-kept secrets--not even Sivis, an intelligence expert, could begin to tell you what the Pentagon researched using its "Black Budget" last year, which totalled around $51 billion.

 

So, which is the more likely explanation for UFOs?

 

1.We are being visited by advanced beings from other worlds, although we have no evidence of their existence.

2.Governments are testing prototype military aircraft, which is not only plausible but has been commonplace for decades, as I have exemplified with OXCART.

 

This is why Coin-God, Sivis and I are reluctant to accept the idea that UFOs are of extraterrestrial origin.

 

EDIT: Broken link fixed.

Edited August 17, 2012 by elanman

[AtomicPunk]

@Elanman

Thanks for your kindness, and I completely respect where you are coming from about UFO's, but before there were aircraft, there have been eyewitness accounts, by educated people, who described saucers and orb-shaped craft, zipping around in the skies. There's highly documented account of an airship hitting a windmill and crashing in the 1800's, long before blimps. There's many pieces of art from hundreds of years ago, with saucers painted in them and stories of aliens as far back as history can take us. There's also trace evidence left behind in a handful of cases. As soon as I get time I will post what I'm talking about here.

 

 

 

[sivispacem]

 

highly documented account

stories of aliens as far back as history can take us

trace evidence left behind

Forgive my continued scepticism, but you haven't actually provided anything that even vaguely alludes to the existence of the items of potential evidence described below. So your statements are entirely worthless.

 

Also, you haven't yet tried to refute the logical fallacy in your claim that scientists (note the plural) on Apollo 17 were communicated to by aliens, when only one scientist was on Apollo 17 and has never said anything of the sort publicly as far as I can tell.

[Abel.]

 

highly documented account

stories of aliens as far back as history can take us

trace evidence left behind

Forgive my continued scepticism, but you haven't actually provided anything that even vaguely alludes to the existence of the items of potential evidence described below. So your statements are entirely worthless.

 

 

I have to agree with Sivis on this.

 

However, your argument is interesting--I hate to say it, but good evidence of aircraft sightings pre-dating the development of such aircraft on Earth would be the best evidence for sentient aliens short of actually finding them. That said, I remain steadfast in my opinion that sentient aliens have not visited Earth because I know personally of no such evidence.

 

Oh, and just for the record, being a half-Israeli mathematics student doesn't make me a trainee-codebreaker for Mossad, before you somehow use that in an argument .

Edited August 17, 2012 by elanman

[Double L.]

No i have not seen before. And my friends are too. So I don't believe Alliens. I'm sorry for those who say yes.

[Forzum]

Yes I have seen a ufo twice, the first time I saw one it could have been a plane tho, but it looked like it did not have any wings which made me wonder, and the second time I have no idea what it was, I do believe in "aliens", no way in hell we are the only ones in the universe, I also believe we have been visited by them, in the past and the present.

[Lioshenka]

 

Sorry but, UFOs don't exist.

So, you are basically saying that what I saw with my own eyes I, in fact, didn't see? Go troll elsewhere.

Yes. You were 6 years old.

...and your point is?..

You obviously misunderstood what you saw.

There was also my Mum and a few dozen of people who had no idea what it was.