Is anyone.. disappointed?

[AK47-Mentalman]

I'm really not >.<

I just never played games until I got a 360, and got GTA IV, the first Grand Theft Auto I've ever played. Don't call me 12, they're the wankers I team kill online.

Realism=boring

Iiiinnnn your opinion.

Not mine.

[DrAnomalous]

Yeah it's kinda stupid when people argue against realism by using shopping and working a 9-5 as an example. Obviously someone is missing the point. We don't get tweaked physics and HD graphics for nothing. It all depends what game your playing too but in a city like liberty city where it seems alive I could appreciate the realism and being able to act crazy and go on rampage . It just make it all much more fun IMO.

[florisinfernus]

 

Iiiinnnn your opinion.

Not mine.

No sh*t sherlock? Who's elses opinion would it be?

 

I'm starting to get really annoyed whith 12 year olds whining about realism. Realism is boring. The end. If you want realism, you should go make your own game. It would be called GTA Douchebag. It would be about a guy that doesn't have a job and shoots one guy because he himself is a psychopath. After that you would end up in jail, and the game would be about you taking a sh*t and piss every few hours.

 

I want to play a game with f*cking rockets, supercars, guns and helicopters with missiles and f*cking grenades flying everywhere. If you don't like such a game then, I'm sorry to be the one to break it to ya, but then you suck hard and should get the f*ck off of this forum because then you don't understand what a good game and a good GTA is.

 

So here my message to all the 12 year olds whining about realism: STFU and get the f*ck out.

 

Edit: I allmost forgot: Is GTA IV realistic? Is it possible to kill a hundred cops, and then drive for a while into a f*cking paintshop and get away with it? Is it possible to wear 8 RPG rockets 2000 MP5 rounds 1600 M4 Carbine rounds and 25 grenades at the same time and to switch between those weapons in a matter of seconds? Is any game where you can get 100 bullets into your body and still live and stand up and thereafter kill 1000 people and get away realistic? All good games are unrealistic.

Edited September 5, 2009 by florisinfernus

[zeppelincheetah]

hell no! just the opposite. awesome new sports cars, parachuting, fight clubs, fresh new story with more action-based missions, new weapons, etc. I don't understand why somebody wouldn't welcome these additions. I thought GTA IV was a bit lacking when it came to gameplay features but this makes up for it. I'm an arcade fan - I love the crazy stuff. But these additions aren't really that crazy when compared to, say, San Andreas. I'm 10x more excited by this than i was with TLAD. Leading up to TLAD I wasn't very excited, especially after seeing some of the trailers. All TLAD offered was a bunch of bikes and some automated weapons. I loved TLAD though, thought the story itself was BETTER than Niko's albeit short. I haven't been this excited for a new GTA since San Andreas. With GTA IV I was extremely excited up until the first trailer was shown. Then I was excited merely because I was such a GTA fan and wanted the next big leap in GTA.

[bigmike72]

I'm really not >.<

I just never played games until I got a 360, and got GTA IV, the first Grand Theft Auto I've ever played. Don't call me 12, they're the wankers I team kill online.

Realism=boring

then you should just

[AK47-Mentalman]

Iiiinnnn your opinion.

Not mine.

No sh*t sherlock? Who's elses opinion would it be?

 

I'm starting to get really annoyed whith 12 year olds whining about realism. Realism is boring. The end. If you want realism, you should go make your own game. It would be called GTA Douchebag. It would be about a guy that doesn't have a job and shoots one guy because he himself is a psychopath. After that you would end up in jail, and the game would be about you taking a sh*t and piss every few hours.

 

I want to play a game with f*cking rockets, supercars, guns and helicopters with missiles and f*cking grenades flying everywhere. If you don't like such a game then, I'm sorry to be the one to break it to ya, but then you suck hard and should get the f*ck off of this forum because then you don't understand what a good game and a good GTA is.

 

So here my message to all the 12 year olds whining about realism: STFU and get the f*ck out.

 

Edit: I allmost forgot: Is GTA IV realistic? Is it possible to kill a hundred cops, and then drive for a while into a f*cking paintshop and get away with it? Is it possible to wear 8 RPG rockets 2000 MP5 rounds 1600 M4 Carbine rounds and 25 grenades at the same time and to switch between those weapons in a matter of seconds? Is any game where you can get 100 bullets into your body and still live and stand up and thereafter kill 1000 people and get away realistic? All good games are unrealistic.

That made me lol.

I'm not gonna get in an argument with you, i'm above it to be honest. Get off your high horse and realise other people in the world don't agree with your opinion. That's why it's an opinion, not a fact.

 

Lets analyse it for a second.

When I say realism, you blow it out of proportion. No, if it was realistic, most jobs would involve going to the shops and buying food, and making it, going to sleep and repeat.

 

What I mean are the physics, the way the peds run away, among other things.

What I meant when comparing GTA IV and TBOGT, is the fact you can't steal an ATV, you can't hijack trains with a helicopter.

At least on GTA IV, the missions were a little more sensible. Drive here, kill someone, save, repeat. It's becoming more like Saints Row.

 

I don't care about the fact Niko pulls out an RPG of his trousers. If that bothered me i'd never play another game again. There's no proper way to fit everything into his body.

 

Just stop arguing, and make a valid point, i'll discuss it. No need to argue, and my opinion is you should get off this forum is all you're going to do is troll discussions and argue without a stimulus. Just make your point, and leave it there.

[Lunatic Brandon]

Its not becoming Saints Row, its becoming San Andreas. Also GTA IV isn't that realistic.

Edited September 5, 2009 by Lunatic Brandon

[AK47-Mentalman]

Its not becoming Saints Row, its becoming San Andreas. Also GTA IV isn't that realistic.

I think it is quite realistic, looking at it in a contrast with all of the other free roam games out now.

[Knife]

Its not becoming Saints Row, its becoming San Andreas. Also GTA IV isn't that realistic.

Must just agree there. People keep bringing up Saints Row and yet Saints Row is a complete GTA: San Andreas clone. They took SA and rushed to make a next-gen version of GTA before R* did with no originality.

[The Notorious MOB]

Just wondering, looking forward to it don't get me wrong, but I liked the most GTA IV because of the realism.

All this APB, Satchel Charges, it's becoming Saints Row 2, the one thing I hoped it wouldn't become.

There are some points of SR2 I would like on GTA IV, (Car saving system, Modding Cars) but all this unrealism isn't really what I wanted.

 

I still want BOGT, don't get me wrong or starting arguments, just was hoping it would be more IV than SA.

 

Anyone else agree?

I agree with you man. So much so that I was just about to create a similar topic before I seen this one. I really liked GTA IV and TLAD more realistic approach to a GTA game. I think the over the top stuff is what the majority of Fans wanna see. I think there is a simple solution for those who don't like it though... Avoid it. I wont be that hard to not use the parachutes outside of missions or not steal the APC etc.

 

I'm just gonna play the game through and then steer clear of the aformentioned stuff unless of course I feel like messing around with the game. It's good that I'll have the option to be able to go completely wild if I want to though so Its a win win really.

[Claude4Catalina]

how the speckled f*ck is a helicopter or RPG unrealistic?

Hello you're playing a game where the protagonist pullls weapons out of his a*s, survives car crashes that send him flying through winscreen, outruns the police with a 6 star wanted level, can take several shots from a gun and not even stumble, can dial a number without touching the keypad on his phone.

get the f*ck out of here with unrealism claims. RPGs exist. Gelicopters exist. Parachutes exist. Swat tanks exist, satchel charges exist. ITS A GAME. you can't have a game fully realistic because you'll lose the fun (take driver - getting pulled over for being one MPH over the speed limit SUCKED) you have to have a balance between realism and fun gameplay and, while i'll admit that Vanilla IV did lack some f*ck around features, it did have that balance. if you dont like the parachute, dont use it, plunge to your death and fail the mission. IF you dont like the RPGs dont use them. just dont b*tch about the game being "unrealistic". Its a game, get over it.

Your point about the protaganist pulling weapons out of his ass is exactly what I find unrealistic about the RPG. For that matter, when I'm messing around in free mode, I don't use assault rifles either. I tend to go through the game using only weapons Niko could reasonably hide on his person. Knives, pistols, and the like. I know larger weapons exist in the real world, and it is entirely possible that a dedicated criminal could aquire them and use them against the police, but for me, it shatters the realism of the game when Niko pulls such a large and bulky weapon out of nowhere, fires off a few shots, somehow hides the weapon on his person, and then runs off. I don't complain about that though, as I can play the game the way I want to, the same as anybody else. Some people like walking Liberty City around with enough guns to equip a private militia. Good for them. Their ability to do so does not impact my ability to walk around with only a pistol. Helicoptors also exist. No doubt that, throughout their existance, they have been used for illegal purposes from time to time. I do doubt, however, that common street criminals such as Johnny and Niko are able to get their hands on such craft as easily and frequently as they can in the game. That's why I don't use them often. I'm glad they're in there, however, because that means that the people who enjoy using them will get that much more enjoyment from the game. That's why I'm glad the new expansion is going to include APCs and attack helicoptors. Some people like that sort of thing. They'll enjoy having them in the game. I don't have to use them if I don't want to. I don't think that, in my last post, I was complaining about the inclusion such things.

I try to make weapon usage fairly realistic. For example, If I know a mission requires a Sniper, I take along a sniper, and then use a MicroSMG for parts of the mission if required, for example Pegorino's pride. Or use the AK for big shooting missions, and then either a Desert Eagle or the standard pistol. Obviously I go all out by using the Rocket Launcher if you need to take out a helicopter, but my excuse is 'it was an attchment'.

 

 

But anyway, I think BoGT will be a nice change of pace. Niko was the lone wolf go in with an AK, kill some randomers and walk out calmly, blood on hsi clothes and phone his employer to confirm the job. Johnny was more gang-orientated, with the Lost MC backing him up, storming a building and have a good time with his friends, then walking out and going for a beer. Luis will probably be taking the 'find the biggest hammer and smash all in your path' approach, for example, roll up to a building in his brand new sports car, shoto everyone who is even a little threat, chase down anybody, shooting up anyone who gets in his way, and usually does it all for a paycheck, nothing more.

 

So all in all, I'm not dissappointed because this is what agame should be if your ask me, but at the same token it will be nice to go back to relative relative reality with Niko.

[Ats.]

Nope...I'm not disappointed. Satchel Charges, APB etc. make the game more cooler and fun to play. I'm really looking forward to TBoGT, because I'm getting Xbox 360 soon and buying Episodes from Liberty City when it's coming out.

[florisinfernus]

 

That made me lol.

I'm not gonna get in an argument with you, i'm above it to be honest. Get off your high horse and realise other people in the world don't agree with your opinion. That's why it's an opinion, not a fact.

 

Lets analyse it for a second.

When I say realism, you blow it out of proportion. No, if it was realistic, most jobs would involve going to the shops and buying food, and making it, going to sleep and repeat.

 

What I mean are the physics, the way the peds run away, among other things.

What I meant when comparing GTA IV and TBOGT, is the fact you can't steal an ATV, you can't hijack trains with a helicopter.

At least on GTA IV, the missions were a little more sensible. Drive here, kill someone, save, repeat. It's becoming more like Saints Row.

 

I don't care about the fact Niko pulls out an RPG of his trousers. If that bothered me i'd never play another game again. There's no proper way to fit everything into his body.

 

Just stop arguing, and make a valid point, i'll discuss it. No need to argue, and my opinion is you should get off this forum is all you're going to do is troll discussions and argue without a stimulus. Just make your point, and leave it there. 

You're above it... Wow, you are coowl... I envy you... I'm having this argument because I know I'm right and your wrong. You could say Hitler was just having an opinion too. I'm not being a pussey and when I dissagree I just state the other one is wrong, because that makes for an interesting argument.

 

I'm not blowing it out of proportion. GTA IV was extremely unrealistic. And for the final time: realism is boring. When you play a game, do you think, wilst playing:''oh my god this is so realistic, awesome''. No, a normal person would think: ''wow, what a big ass explosion awesome. Wow, what an epic peace of machinery, awesome. Wow, what a coowl car, awesome.'' Realism sucks hard.

 

Secondly, blowing an RPG out your pants(lol) or killing 100 people, is way more unrealistic than stealing an APC(not ATV) or lifting something with a helicopter. I looked for the helicopter from the trailer and found this:

So it does exist. So it is realistic.

 

I'm trolling? I didn't make a point? All you said is: ''this is so unrealistic I don't likez it''

You haven't given any argument for anything.

Edited September 5, 2009 by florisinfernus

[AK47-Mentalman]

i see we are making small progress

But I like realism, i like cool explosions, fancy cars, but i also like the fact peds nudge you, start fights, the cars set on fire after burning, you steal a car, the person you stole it from reports you.

thats the realism i like, and without that gta iv wouldn't be anything you know and love.

[Leo Colt]

killing 100 people, is way more unrealistic than stealing an APC

Perhaps you may want to see this.

[florisinfernus]

I'm really not >.<

I just never played games until I got a 360, and got GTA IV, the first Grand Theft Auto I've ever played. Don't call me 12, they're the wankers I team kill online.

Realism=boring

then you should just

Realism in a game you twit.

[florisinfernus]

 

killing 100 people, is way more unrealistic than stealing an APC

Perhaps you may want to see this.

Do terrorists grab an M4 carbine and kill a hundred people also wearing an M4 Carbine? No, because it is practically impossible.

[EzaH]

 

Just wondering, looking forward to it don't get me wrong, but I liked the most GTA IV because of the realism.

All this APB, Satchel Charges, it's becoming Saints Row 2, the one thing I hoped it wouldn't become.

There are some points of SR2 I would like on GTA IV, (Car saving system, Modding Cars) but all this unrealism isn't really what I wanted.

 

I still want BOGT, don't get me wrong or starting arguments, just was hoping it would be more IV than SA.

 

Anyone else agree? 

Saints Row 2 gave a gang banger all that sh*t. Same with SA.

 

 

 

Luis is in with Tony, a widly known club owner. Obviously to try to get out of debt

they'll be dealing with government figures aka 'the wrong devils'. Don't assume.

 

 

At least not yet. Actually never, finish the game and then you'll have a clearer vision.

[florisinfernus]

i see we are making small progress

But I like realism, i like cool explosions, fancy cars, but i also like the fact peds nudge you, start fights, the cars set on fire after burning, you steal a car, the person you stole it from reports you.

thats the realism i like, and without that gta iv wouldn't be anything you know and love.

Is any of those things leaving GTA IV in this ad on? Those are things that are and allways will be in GTA.

[bobgtafan]

Just wondering, looking forward to it don't get me wrong, but I liked the most GTA IV because of the realism.

All this APB, Satchel Charges, it's becoming Saints Row 2, the one thing I hoped it wouldn't become.

There are some points of SR2 I would like on GTA IV, (Car saving system, Modding Cars) but all this unrealism isn't really what I wanted.

 

I still want BOGT, don't get me wrong or starting arguments, just was hoping it would be more IV than SA.

 

Anyone else agree?

If you don't like those activies in game don't do those activeies in game. It's that simple you have the choice NOT to parachute in Free Mode, NOT to use Satchels, NOT to use the new APC. So if you don't like those features don't use them. While me on the other hand I sure as hell will!

 

Also how is it unrealstic to have those things? Those things are in real life and criminals uses them. That being said it's not if they are unrealstic. What matters is if it fits the character. I hope people get that though thier heads.

[PhilipO43]

I believe the lowest possible killed in IV by Niko(main game) is 700 if i remember(i did this without killing one npc/ped).

 

Now is 700 killed realistic? lol

 

Now i love realism as much or more then anyone, as my all time fav. games are those types(GTA series, GTA clones..like Mafia, Shenmue 1 & 2, Deus Ex, Rainbow 6 series..ect)

 

But if you go more towards realism without a balance then it becomes just too boring.

 

This happened in the first Rainbow 6 as 1 kill=death and you needed to restart the mission over and over..

 

This occured in Shenmue 1 & 2 to the point where it was so heavily realism based, but it lacked the excitment needed in every video game to become addicting after one play through.

 

And i love the way GTA:IV's direction went, however for me playing darts and watching tv on my tv..lol, is well not very exciting.

 

Please don't get me wrong, SR2 went in a direction that i cannot stand as it's direction is just too off the cuff.

 

I love that TBOGT adds in some elements that are a bot over the top, but that's the one thing missing from both GTA:IV(Niko's story) and TLAD.

 

I personally believe it's the perfect fit, and it gives fans of the direction of GTA:SA something to grab onto in GTA:IV as well.

 

Personally if the TBOGT is what it seems, i believe that GTA:IV may be the smartest game ever released, when you look at Niko/Johnny and Tony's story, all together, as one.

 

 

[Sanjeem]

TBOGT is perfect, Just add some Planes to it, new vehivles, Choppers, features Gamepkat e.t.c for the NeXt gta and it will be perfect.

[blah1992]

GTA was NEVER suppose to be "real". Yes, GTA IV was more on the "real" side compared to the oldies but it was still GTA. I could still play IV and realize I was playing a GTA game.

 

This aint not "Call of Duty".

 

I understand the 1st post but that is not what GTA is about. This must be your 1st GTA or something because you got the game all twisted up.

 

*throws you a copy of the lastest Call of Duty*

 

[skateordie985]

I hate all the people saying that 'the majority of people though GTA IV needed more stuff'

 

over 55% of gamers thought that GTA IV was perfect. Source (view the huge pie chart)

 

less than 40% for san andreas (Source (pie chart)

And 70% of statistics are made up.

 

Anyway, I agree with blahblah1212's previous post. People just act as if they don't know what the f*ck they want. Always complain and PMS over things.

and i bet the first person to say that, made that sh*t up.

[supermortalhuman]

It's not becoming saints row at all. I played saints row 2 in 2004 - it was called San Andreas then, and it was Better.

 

You think it's turning into SA - in one sense, it is, and even more so in the next games to come before GTA V, but you also need to realize that the things that get "added back in" and the things that become "new features to the series" are all being treated with the same respect to detail as the rest of the game's offerings. Let it grow, it's going to be awesome. Please don't tell me you prefer this staying just a game where you do nothing but drive kill drive?

[Luis F. Lopez]

Are people forgetting that it's just a video game? I mean jeez all this complaining seems pointless. I couldn't be happier with BOGT and it's features those who don't like it then piss off.

 

Oct. 29 couldn't get here soon enough.

[SweatyPa1ms]

You can never compare Saints Row with GTA IV. The physics engine of GTA IV makes Saints Row look like it was made by monkeys with hats. Fair enough it was alright to play the first edition of Saints Row until GTA IV came out but it never even crossed my mind buying Saints Row 2 or thinking it might have anything on GTA IV. GTA is on a whole different level.

 

And now they have brought out more content which can only make the game better. Parachutes were easily the best thing in San Andreas, imagine 4 people jumping out of annailator parachuting down into battle on Free Mode and whatever other new game modes they release.

 

I hope they release 'GTA IV - Vice City' & 'GTA IV - San Andreas'. Or base the games in other cities like London or Tokyo. As long as it has planes, parachutes, tall buildings/mountains and the abilty of climbing/grapple hook... i'll be happy.

[blah1992]

You can never compare Saints Row with GTA IV. The physics engine of GTA IV makes Saints Row look like it was made by monkeys with hats. Fair enough it was alright to play the first edition of Saints Row until GTA IV came out but it never even crossed my mind buying Saints Row 2 or thinking it might have anything on GTA IV. GTA is on a whole different level.

 

And now they have brought out more content which can only make the game better. Parachutes were easily the best thing in San Andreas, imagine 4 people jumping out of annailator parachuting down into battle on Free Mode and whatever other new game modes they release.

 

I hope they release 'GTA IV - Vice City' & 'GTA IV - San Andreas'. Or base the games in other cities like London or Tokyo. As long as it has planes, parachutes, tall buildings/mountains and the abilty of climbing/grapple hook... i'll be happy.

Saint's Row IS on GTA's level! what are you talking about ?

I don't even like Saint's Row but it really gives GTA a run for it's money.

 

R* copied the "fight night" stuff from Saint's Row!

 

Rockstar know Saint's Row is not no True Crimes and won't back down easy.

 

I'm neither no R* fanboy because Saint's Row may have sh*t graphic's but they do have fun gameplay and lets you make your own person to play as. GTA is just more of the "real deal" type of game, like Saint's Row is it's bootleg.

[blowdro420]

You can never compare Saints Row with GTA IV.  The physics engine of GTA IV makes Saints Row look like it was made by monkeys with hats.  Fair enough it was alright to play the first edition of Saints Row until GTA IV came out but it never even crossed my mind buying Saints Row 2 or thinking it might have anything on GTA IV.  GTA is on a whole different level.

 

And now they have brought out more content which can only make the game better.  Parachutes were easily the best thing in San Andreas, imagine 4 people jumping out of annailator parachuting down into battle on Free Mode and whatever other new game modes they release.

 

I hope they release 'GTA IV - Vice City' & 'GTA IV - San Andreas'.  Or base the games in other cities like London or Tokyo.  As long as it has planes, parachutes, tall buildings/mountains and the abilty of climbing/grapple hook... i'll be happy.

Saint's Row IS on GTA's level! what are you talking about ?

I don't even like Saint's Row but it really gives GTA a run for it's money.

 

R* copied the "fight night" stuff from Saint's Row!

 

Rockstar know Saint's Row is not no True Crimes and won't back down easy.

 

I'm neither no R* fanboy because Saint's Row may have sh*t graphic's but they do have fun gameplay and lets you make your own person to play as. GTA is just more of the "real deal" type of game, like Saint's Row is it's bootleg.

they might have copied SR2, but who really knows how long they were planning the fight club thing.

besides there are loads of things SR copied from GTA.

[liquidus119]

You guys seem to mix up being "down to earth" with "realistic"...

 

It's "down to earth" when you have a storyline like GTAIV's in comparison with a cluster **** like San Andreas. It's not realistic, it's just not as over the top and ridiculous.

 

I don't even see why anyone is arguing over this. There is a fair middle ground. Pack a crapload of fun stuff to do, just keep the more ridiculous crap out of the storyline or at least try to make it work somewhat.